Deviously Cursed Loot SE 9.0 (2021-03-09)

[Guest]

I was wondering if this supports the unofficial port of bathing in Skyrim? I can't seem to find it under the supported mods section in the MCM.

[Wang Sir]

after updated from 6.3 to 8.4, there's no more cases of "come here, women" (tell me if it never was a DCL feature) and the two Ls in banner mare become totally normal follower (no dom dialogue (not sure how to play with XDFF). are these supposed to happen?

 

also i have 1k bounty but the guard says "wait I know you" and walks away, no dialogue. wonder if this is a DCL problem, because I've seen several posts here describing similar things. 

[Elsidia]

49 minutes ago, Wang Sir said:

"wait I know you" and walks away, no dialogue.

Papyrus util and skse64 fixes is installed?

 

46 minutes ago, Wang Sir said:

two Ls in banner mare become totally normal follower

If you mean a Leon and Leash - you need complete Leon's quest - come to Leon when you don't have active quest and no in restraints - make a dialogue with him and it start's Leon's quest. After complete that - you can choose Leon or Leash as your domina or walk away as free person. Leon's quest is bugged - after complete it active quest stays true and some of DCl features is blocked. To fix it need use console as i mention in previous posts.

 

 

[Wang Sir]

9 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Papyrus util and skse64 fixes is installed?

 

If you mean a Leon and Leash - you need complete Leon's quest - come to Leon when you don't have active quest and no in restraints - make a dialogue with him and it start's Leon's quest. After complete that - you can choose Leon or Leash as your domina or walk away as free person. Leon's quest is bugged - after complete it active quest stays true and some of DCl features is blocked. To fix it need use console as i mention in previous posts.

 

 

i believe sexlab comes with papyrus util so I don't think it's the problem. Can you be more specific on skse64 fix? only know the engine fix, which i have. 

 

Also I finished leon's quest earlier and decided to stay free. Do i permanently lost the chance to have them as dom? and I just checked the debug tab of cursed loot, active quest is already false

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, Wang Sir said:

Do i permanently lost the chance to have them as dom?

I think yes - after i free from Leash - no more Dom.

You can try Sasha as Dom.

In last version Sasha as Dom works better than Leon's and Leah, and Sasha works without bugs.

 

1 hour ago, Wang Sir said:

Can you be more specific on skse64 fix?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230?tab=description

Part 2 install only manually

 

All in one:

Can't find a link now

 

Newest version of Mfgfix

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11669

 

Some fixes not related skse64

 

1 hour ago, Wang Sir said:

i believe sexlab comes with papyrus util so I don't think it's the problem

Sexlab is old as dinosaurs and yes it's problem. Without payrus util not work many NPC dialogue from DLC.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/13048

 

[Wang Sir]

35 minutes ago, Elsidia said:

I think yes - after i free from Leash - no more Dom.

You can try Sasha as Dom.

In last version Sasha as Dom works better than Leon's and Leah, and Sasha works without bugs.

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230?tab=description

Part 2 install only manually

 

All in one:

Can't find a link now

 

Newest version of Mfgfix

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11669

 

Some fixes not related skse64

 

Sexlab is old as dinosaurs and yes it's problem. Without payrus util not work many NPC dialogue from DLC.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/13048

 

I have all fixes you mentioned

I'll try the new papyrus and see if it helps.

BTW, is misogyny removed? didn't see it in any tab in MCM cursed loot (after a careless skim through, could be wrong)

 

EDITED: after 1h of search finally saw "Removed: Misogyny" in LE DCL changelog. It's in version 8.4 but the changelog in SE version only goes to 8.3

[Elsidia]

16 minutes ago, Wang Sir said:

It's in version 8.4

DCL SE latest version is 8.5

 

[YojimboRatchet]

this is new, not sure why. but i am totally freezing and then CTD when i am sentenced to Dragonar Prison. can't figure it out. haven't really changed anything in the last few days since the last time i was in there. only added the 3BBB stuff this afternoon to see if it fixed the CTD's i was having with some Devious Devices, but that's it, and i updated the MSG fix as well about 2 hours ago. so not quite getting why this is happening.

[Elsidia]

6 hours ago, YojimboRatchet said:

MSG fix as well about 2 hours ago. so not quite getting why this is happening.

1) DDhotfix? installed? 

2) DD - DCL ZAD HDT SMP hotfix installed?

 

If last is installed seems DDhotfix no need if 3BBB includes HDT physics. If not need both.

 

[Evikleun]

I'm having a situation with the Chloe quest, which I'm supposed to speak to the dollmaker to complete the quest but she does not have any dialogues other than here basic ones. I tried using the safeword option to force end the quest and use additem to get the dollmaker sword but the quest is still there. I tried reinstalling the mod, dragging its esp to the bottom but nothing seems to have change. The mod is not overwritten by anything.

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, Evikleun said:

The mod is not overwritten by anything.

You have installed papyrus util mod?

You have all as in screenshots?

Spoiler

 

 

 

[YojimboRatchet]

5 hours ago, Elsidia said:

1) DDhotfix? installed? 

2) DD - DCL ZAD HDT SMP hotfix installed?

 

If last is installed seems DDhotfix no need if 3BBB includes HDT physics. If not need both.

 

nope. i removed the DDhotfix as well as the prison chains hotfix and the gloves hotfix. i only have the DDiPatch from 2018 and the DD-DCL ZAZ... patch. nothing else. i even rebuilt all the outfits from scratch and nothing. the moment the pop-up window comes up to say "you've been sentenced to x days in Dragonar Prison", i freeze and then CTD.

 

i am quite baffled at what is going on. i have a few weird things going on right now (CTD on a few items from DD, some outfits i installed where the top and the bottom won't show up at the same time when both are worn, for example). this is just the latest issue. i am wondering (hoping i don't have to go there) if i will end up needing to wipe out my MO2 set up and start from scratch.

 

my current LOOT load order

 

[info]     Skyrim.esm
[info]     Update.esm
[info]     Dawnguard.esm
[info]     HearthFires.esm
[info]     Dragonborn.esm
[info]     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
[info]     SexLab.esm
[info]     SexLabAroused.esm
[info]     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
[info]     ITortureFramework.esm
[info]     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
[info]     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
[info]     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
[info]     DeviousFramework.esm
[info]     [SunJeong] Vindictus Succubus Queen.esl
[info]     SkyUI_SE.esp
[info]     RaceMenu.esp
[info]     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
[info]     FNIS.esp
[info]     CBBE.esp
[info]     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
[info]     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
[info]     SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
[info]     XPMSE.esp
[info]     SLAnimLoader.esp
[info]     SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
[info]     SexLabMatchMaker.esp
[info]     Fertility Mode.esp
[info]     SlaveTats.esp
[info]     SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
[info]     SD Cages.esp
[info]     MilkModNEW.esp
[info]     MilkMod_MilkPumpsFancy.esp
[info]     hydra_slavegirls.esp
[info]     RRTattoos.esp
[info]     [Melodic] Eastern Collection.esp
[info]     UIExtensions.esp
[info]     AddItemMenuSE.esp
[info]     SexLab-Stories.esp
[info]     Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
[info]     SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp
[info]     sanguinesDebauchery.esp
[info]     Bondage Furniture World.esp
[info]     Devious Lore.esp
[info]     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
[info]     SimpleSlavery.esp
[info]     DeviousFollowers.esp
[info]     SexLab_Dialogues.esp
[info]     Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
[info]     CityBondage.esp
[info]     Devious Cidhna.esp
[info]     BBD_SkyrimFishing.esp
[info]     shc3.esm.esp
[info]     SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp
[info]     Deviously Enslaved.esp
[info]     Osare Maid Outfit.esp
[info]     The Oasis.esp
[info]     NewHangZhou.esp
[info]     Neo's Oriental Dress.esp
[info]     MilkModNEW CF.esp
[info]     MilkModNEW HF.esp
[info]     MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp
[info]     ForcedMilkMaid.esp
[info]     DfwSupport.esp
[info]     GagSFXLegendary.esp
[info]     [XuNianA]doax2_loon.esp
[info]     Hoop Earrings.esp
[info]     KSHairdosSMP.esp
[info]     KSWigsSMP.esp
[info]     ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
[info]     SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
[info]     JackshKasumiArmor3.esp
[info]     Devious Devices - Equip.esp
[info]     Spank That Ass.esp
[info]     [SunJeong] Crystal See-Through.esp
[info]     BloodMagicArmor.esp
[info]     3BBB.esp
[info]     LB Lady Alina SSE.esp
[info]     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
[info]     ImmerSlave.esp
[info]     Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

[Elsidia]

26 minutes ago, YojimboRatchet said:

i am quite baffled at what is going on

Open console

Spoiler

type

help "Prisoner Leg Irons" 0

player.additem XX0FFAA7 1  where XX is your mod load order from previos help id

exit console and put on leg irons -

if you CTD then DD DCL zaz hothix not installed or your 3BBB not support those chain physics.

Also you can try delete -

D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\devious\Zaz

 

file ZaZAnkleChainsRagDolls.xml it contains chain physics configuration - maybe it can help

 

Of course your skyrim path will be other.

 

if not CTD first item then

help "Prison Shackles" 0

player.additem XX0F965B 1

exit and put on prison shackles - if CTD  - then you need ddhotfix and maybe delete

D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\devious\Heretic\Restraints

flie PrisonerChains01.xml - it contains prisoner shackles physics

 

 

[YojimboRatchet]

5 hours ago, Elsidia said:

file ZaZAnkleChainsRagDolls.xml it contains chain physics configuration - maybe it can help

 

Of course your skyrim path will be other.

yes, i got total CTD on the Prisoner Leg Irons (same as i discovered yesterday with Iron Shackles, Rusty Iron Shackles, Silver Fetters....anything with a chain stopped working and this was before i added 3bbb).

 

so i next i searched for the XML file, i had nothing in the steam folder, but i found 7 references to the XML in my M02 folder. am i deleting them all ?

 

 

 

 

EDIT: i disabled the DCL ZAZ... fix and it seems to work fine even though the chains don't look great, the game is working. so there is something between that "fix" that is causing the issue and i don't know what.

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, YojimboRatchet said:

i disabled the DCL ZAZ

 

I also have mod HDT SMP - what makes physics for this chains.

Maybe if 3BBB have own physics it's conflict with those fix.

 

Anyway even with this mod chain physics is bad. The best is only vaginal bell.

Also leg chains almost stay on place where it must be. Almost.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[YojimboRatchet]

4 hours ago, Elsidia said:

 

I also have mod HDT SMP - what makes physics for this chains.

Maybe if 3BBB have own physics it's conflict with those fix.

 

Anyway even with this mod chain physics is bad. The best is only vaginal bell.

Also leg chains almost stay on place where it must be. Almost.

 

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i had to uninstall that file totally. but at least the plugs and other SMP objects (like those SMP earrings) work nicely still. the chains being broken i can accept, better than constant CTD's. now if only i can find out the reasons why that "fix" was creating a conflict with HDT SMP and causing the CTD's. (wasn't the 3bbb body, the CTD's happened before i installed it).

 

although 3bbb is creating a major headache at this point in time all on its own. really not happy with how complicated things seem to get just to make things work to being able to experience and enjoy the gameplay.

[steel743]

Fantastic mod. I am truly grateful for the work you have done. Sadly I have an issue where when I use the guest locker chest in the Leon quest and the gear chest at the start of the mod prison my game freezes. Dont know if this is a known issue but thanks for any support in advanced.

[Elsidia]

7 hours ago, YojimboRatchet said:

"fix" was creating a conflict with HDT SMP and causing the CTD's

Can't answer this question. My CTD ended when i install HDT SMP physics mod and this fix. Also chains physics start worked as you see in my screenshot. Maybe something is wrong with MO, because i use vortex and have no problem.

 

[Elsidia]

4 hours ago, steel743 said:

Dont know if this is a known issue but thanks for any support in advanced.

Unknown issue. You have installed all skse64, mgfix, papyrus util mod? Also you have third size mod what modify container scripts?

 

[dingnan]

thanks

[YojimboRatchet]

On 7/14/2020 at 4:14 AM, Elsidia said:

Can't answer this question. My CTD ended when i install HDT SMP physics mod and this fix. Also chains physics start worked as you see in my screenshot. Maybe something is wrong with MO, because i use vortex and have no problem.

 

well, after a bit of playing around and testing, after the last steps i took of removing the DD - DCL ZAD HDT SMP hotfix, the ankle cuffs (shackles and fetters) and the prison chains (all of them) work fine. but i am still getting CTD's on the wrist shackles (iron shackles / rusted iron shackles).

 

so i've avoided those since then as they don't get used very often, but, after some playing around and some tweaking, i had a though. those CTD issues started shortly after i upgraded zaz 7 to zaz8+, not right away, but shortly after i did, and i had those fixes already in place before i made that upgrade.

 

i am not sure if that may be or may not be related, but it's something. i do want to verify something though, to see if maybe the LOOT order is wrong and may be creating the conflict or if it may be Zaz or something else.

 

if i have the DDipatch, the DCL-zaz hotfix, DCL Heels fix, Zaz8+, DDAIO, DCL, DDHotfix, Prisoner_Chains hotfix (shouldn't be missing anything), along with HDT-SMP. which order should these be installed in or ordered by in LOOT ?

 

 

also of note, not sure if it was here or in DD threads, but i remember reading something about the transparent restrictive ballet heels not appearing (invisible) even when they were built properly in studio (i may have found the issue if that was the right one)

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, YojimboRatchet said:

restrictive ballet heels not appearing

Those boots not have body slide files it's installed directly to DD meshes folder from Devious devices SE 4.3 (Devious devices expansion) If you have invisible meshes - your dd installation is damaged. Also i can say - i not modify those boots in outfit studio (you can import meshes and export) - i use original boots from installation.

I modify some other boots not those boots - because it's have damaged height and boots goes underground when wearing.

You can't build those boots because those not in body slide. Most of boots not in body slide - those are build in 3d editor and put directly in DD mod meshes folder.

 

1 hour ago, YojimboRatchet said:

CL-zaz hotfix, DCL Heels fix, Zaz8+, DDAIO, DCL, DDHotfix, Prisoner_Chains hotfix

Those not affect load order except Zaz8+. There is only meshes, textures, scripts re-placers. You sure that you enable all folder replacements for those? Zaz8+ recommend in load order before sexlab - but in my vortex zaz is next before sexlab and sexlab aroused. Also i have zaz 8+ After reinstall zaz 8+ you rebuild fnis?

Also in rebuild process not shown any errors?

Those wrists restraints also are in DD DCL ZAz HDT SMP hotfix archive

Also there is HDT_Cuffs.xml - for wrists restraints physics - try to remove it temporally - maybe CTD end? If yes - then problem is in wrong physics work (HDT SMP not work somehow) or those restraints not fixed and use original LE HDT - (somehow MO messes up with replacement)

 

 

1 hour ago, YojimboRatchet said:

DDipatch

At first - what is DDI (devious devices integration) patch - i think i don't have it.

 

Edited: Wrists restraints xml are in folder D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition\Data\meshes\devious\Heretic\Restraints

 

But if you use MO then probably it uses virtual path and there nothing in game.

I use vortex what physically replaces a game folders content.

 

[YojimboRatchet]

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

Those boots not have body slide files it's installed directly to DD meshes folder from Devious devices SE 4.3 (Devious devices expansion) If you have invisible meshes - your dd installation is damaged. Also i can say - i not modify those boots in outfit studio (you can import meshes and export) - i use original boots from installation.

I modify some other boots not those boots - because it's have damaged height and boots goes underground when wearing.

You can't build those boots because those not in body slide. Most of boots not in body slide - those are build in 3d editor and put directly in DD mod meshes folder.

actually, that wasn't what i meant, but yes the boots were from DD, i just was asking if it was here or in DD thread that i had read where people could not these those boots to appear even though they had built them properly in bodyslide. i guess it was there, so i will ask there. it's just that i had the same issue, and i figured out the problem and fixed it, as it had nothing to do with studio at all. anyway, thanks

 

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

those restraints not fixed and use original LE HDT

not sure i follow here. what do you mean ?

 

2 hours ago, Elsidia said:

You sure that you enable all folder replacements for those? Zaz8+ recommend in load order before sexlab - but in my vortex zaz is next before sexlab and sexlab aroused. Also i have zaz 8+ After reinstall zaz 8+ you rebuild fnis?

Also in rebuild process not shown any errors?

yes, all folders are enabled. but should zaz 8 go before sexlab or after sexlab ? you wrote that yours is before. and yes no errors at all from rebuilding or anything. like i said, it was working fine at first, and then the CTD's started out of the blue. so the last thing i know i installed a few days before the CTD's was zaz 8 as i said prior. but that was in place for maybe, like 3 days, maybe.. before the CTD's started.

 

 

as for the load order, i just wanted to know how each of those mods i mentioned should be ordered per say. like does zaz go before DD, does DD go before DCL. do the fixes go after all 3 or inbetween ? or before them ? i just want to see if i can pinpoint any issues before i do the drastic "wipe it all out and start all over" move.

[Elsidia]

13 minutes ago, YojimboRatchet said:

or before them

I have no CTD - very rare on waiting can get CTD but i think i damaged skyrim by install and uninstall mods.

Devious devices equip mod is disabled because no have number.

Spoiler

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     Heels Sound.esm
  7  7     SexLab.esm
  8  8     SexLabAroused.esm
  9  9     ZaZAnimationPack.esm
           Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
 10  a     Devious Devices - Assets.esm
 11  b     Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 12  c     Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 13  d     Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 14  e     SkyUI_SE.esp
 15  f     Luxury Collection.esp
 16 10     Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
 17 11     Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
 18 12     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 19 13     CBBE.esp
 20 14     Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
 21 15     Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
 22 16     Luxury Collection Vendor.esp
           Devious Devices - Equip.esp
 23 17     DeviousFollowers.esp
 24 18     SimpleSlavery.esp
 25 19     SOSRaceMenu.esp
 26 1a     SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 27 1b     Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 28 1c     FNIS.esp
 29 1d     RaceMenu.esp
 30 1e     XPMSE.esp
 31 1f     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 32 20     Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 33 21     Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp

 

 

[Elsidia]

26 minutes ago, YojimboRatchet said:

not sure i follow here. what do you mean ?

Ok to try explain we need some history.

In LE version was made a mod HDT physics and based on it all dd chains use this mod.

In SE version no HDT physics mod because meshes with HDT physics make a CTD.

In SE version was written HDT SMP physics mod what made a chain physics for SE version. But this mod is not equivalent to LE HDT mod because chain physics is highly damaged.

To get LE HDT chain physics  compatibility with SE HDT SMP was written this DD DCL ZAZ HDT fix - it makes LE meshes to compatible to SE version and also grant some working physics.

If you still use old LE HDT physics from DD and DCL without those fixes it makes a CTD.

 

Also i heard but not sure that is in that way - 3BBB body have own physics - and it may conflict with those fixed chains.

But about this i'm not sure - maybe someone why use 3BBB body can explain it more better.

 

Also i ask you - you have installed HDT SMP physics mod or 3BBB body and if yes to what body physics mod you use for 3BBB?