You have SlaveRun for this

From what I saw of that no doubt well made mod, it was not consensual at all.

I actually like this idea quite a bit to be honest.  The slavery stuff in interesting on occasion but something less rape oriented would be a very welcome change to the load order.  

Thank you @mercplatypus Have you played Slaverun?

And too much mods assuming subs always have to be female.

Btw, many (if not most) members of bdsm and fetish communities in very early years experienced disturbing and even traumatizing situations (incl. rape). For those the consensual aspect of the relationship is most important, since such relationships are based on deepest trust - e.g. that the top/dom doesn't do stuff which could actually trigger the sub/bottom or even re-traumatize him/her. Rape and offensive sexual interaction can function as such triggers, either experienced personally or merely watched (in real life as well as in movies, documentaries, and games). It is sad that SexLab etc. doesn't give the players full control of what they can expect to see/experience ingame.

I agree @Outerspacespecies My dream of a fully consensual intro to BDSM - where you do all the 'fun' stuff like bring me 'x', go clear location 'y' but it's all consensual and you can leave/return at will. 

I also think male subs are as much at risk of that as females - as the lack of compatible dominants mean that when we find one we tend to stay with them regardless of issues, consent violations, etc.

The most mods are for female player characters - maybe people want to see women hurt? Maybe they see women as more likely to be the victim of slavery? Maybe a male slave being raped isn't as exciting as a female? Perhaps some (like me) roleplay the PC but others see it more like a movie they are watching and controlling. They do not identify with the main character.

> a fully consensual intro to BDSM - where you do all the 'fun' stuff like bring me 'x', go clear location 'y' but it's all consensual and you can leave/return at will.

Exactly. And where you could define parameters, e.g. non-use of strap-ons, no orders involving the male sub serving males etc., either via the settings or the way amazingfollowertweaks handles its settings.

> The most mods are for female player characters - maybe people want to see women hurt?

I presume it has to do with control - the impression (or wish?) of having total, absolute, unlimited control over women, their physical and mental health and finally even life. Another possibility is a kind of submissive conditioning which many (if not most) women still seem to share - not in social, but sexual regard.

> some (like me) roleplay the PC

Same with me.

I wish I had the skills to create such a mod myself. The other day I tried to add content to Submissive Lola, but find myself totally unable to get it done. Modding for Morrowind was much easier

@Laura 'Lokomootje' .. ? .. maybe this ☝️ gives another consensual story idea ?

50 minutes ago, worik said:

@Laura 'Lokomootje' .. ? .. maybe this ☝️ gives another consensual story idea ?

This looks more like a follower mod instead of a single quest, but I'm glad that others think the same about this. The amount of rape on this site disturbes me. I'm not saying that it needs to be banned. I just think it's weird how populair rape and abuse is when bondage/BDSM is actually about trust and love.

2 hours ago, Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

This looks more like a follower mod instead of a single quest, but I'm glad that others think the same about this. The amount of rape on this site disturbes me. I'm not saying that it needs to be banned. I just think it's weird how populair rape and abuse is when bondage/BDSM is actually about trust and love.

You mean love and trust and various ways of nearly hurting someone for the kink of it for both sides.

Don't forget about the fetish ^^

But really its easy to understand why there is rape and consenual sex on LL.

Every aggressive animation gets triggered by rape, everything normal gets triggered just by registering an animation.

I wonder how a rape fantasy plays out as form of "Ehehygiene".

Maybe a pop up before every rape animation with a disclamer:

"dear viewer, the dragonborn and the riekling know each other for years now. They decided to play it a bit more kinky for roleplay purposes. Pls don't judge them too hart for their kink, but also don't try this at home. They are both professional pixels with years of experiance in faking rape and roleplay. Some positions you can see them excercising are not physically possible in RL and will cause serve injuries. Pls use gag talk compatible savewords. Be aware about pressure points while applying bondage. Failing to do so will cause injuries, maybe even permanent defects. Don't forget to use condoms if your are with a new riekling partner or even with the whole tribe. Remember play it save sane consensual, even if you are going to fuck a dragon."

2 hours ago, Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

[...] bondage/BDSM is actually about trust and love.

I'm afraid that's the main reason why so-called "bdsm" mods do not seem to have much in common with actual bdsm, as if the modders do not have any first hand bdsm experience at all. Non-consensual bdsm relationships do not exist, as soon as there's no consens it's just abuse.

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

You mean love and trust and various ways of nearly hurting someone for the kink of it for both sides.

You can strike "nearly"; getting hurt can, under certain circumstances, be very welcome and is quite normal (at least within certain kinds of practices).

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

Don't forget about the fetish ^^

It's strange that mods dealing with one of the most common kinds of fetishism cannot be found here.

1 hour ago, donttouchmethere said:

Maybe a pop up before every rape animation with a disclamer:

Hm, didn't realize that gamers generally suffer from a dissociative personality disorder

Labelling a mod correctly should be enough. If you have rape and abuse, you cannot label it "bdsm"; if you force the PC to have sexual intercourse with animals, you should mention zoophilia, &c. .. we just need to avoid misleading tags, titles, and descriptions.

2 hours ago, Outerspacespecies said:

I'm afraid that's the main reason why so-called "bdsm" mods do not seem to have much in common with actual bdsm, as if the modders do not have any first hand bdsm experience at all. Non-consensual bdsm relationships do not exist, as soon as there's no consens it's just abuse.

I agree that rape and abuse isn't bdsm at all, but I assume that those mods are used by people who like bdsm. So it's not weird to me that they have that tag.

I do think that mods needs to have tags for things like rape and zoophillia.

On 2/2/2020 at 2:57 PM, Outerspacespecies said:

Hm, didn't realize that gamers generally suffer from a dissociative personality disorder

Labelling a mod correctly should be enough. If you have rape and abuse, you cannot label it "bdsm"; if you force the PC to have sexual intercourse with animals, you should mention zoophilia, &c. .. we just need to avoid misleading tags, titles, and descriptions.

OH!

Didn't realize it was all about tags ?

I wish I could make a mod. I mentioned somewhere else about a 'friendly' but non-consensual mod with no rape or abuse, where the PC is bought as a slave in order to raid caves etc to free others, who are then taken back to the PC's owners and freed.

The freed ex-slaves are then given the choice to go or work for your owners as farmers etc. Your owners have this idea that enough of the freed slaves would work for little or nothing due to trauma/conditioning/lack of anywhere better to go to make this a viable business model (the real reason they are doing this would slowly come out in dialog, which would be someone they knew ending up a slave, escaping but then not being able to cope with freedom).

Some of them would have skills such as alchemy that would trigger fetch quests and allow you to get cheaper potions.

The mod would deal with your thoughts about you freeing other slaves but not being freed yourself, because none of them are fighters.

On 2/2/2020 at 6:28 AM, Outerspacespecies said:

Same with me.

 

I wish I had the skills to create such a mod myself. The other day I tried to add content to Submissive Lola, but find myself totally unable to get it done. Modding for Morrowind was much easier

Submissive Lola was great, a shame that its not updated.

On 2/2/2020 at 4:23 PM, Laura 'Lokomootje' said:

I agree that rape and abuse isn't bdsm at all, but I assume that those mods are used by people who like bdsm. So it's not weird to me that they have that tag.

I do think that mods needs to have tags for things like rape and zoophillia.

Yes, tags would be nice, a notification that a mod might get you raped etc. And when a mod isn't directly about rape but can trigger it, it should be clear. Deviously Cursed Loot was bad for this, so many hidden ways that were not obvious. De-raping it through the MCM took a long time.