Devious Devices SE

[Neonnimbus]

12 minutes ago, Derangers said:

I have the same problem, I have upgraded to DD SE 5.2 Beta 3.

 

I am on DD SE 5.1 and have had no issues until this past week. Dunno what happened because I made no changes with and sexlab based mod

Edited January 2, 2022 by Neonnimbus

[Elsidia]

2 hours ago, Neonnimbus said:

I am on DD SE 5.1 and have had no issues until this past week. Dunno what happened because I made no changes with and sexlab based mod

What mod triggered sex scene with gag removing?

 

[Wallthebruce]

This driving me crazy... since the AE, I have all reinstalled. I have the last version of racemenu, install as advised the 5.2 beta for DD but still have Netimmerse overide missing issue (I can find netimmerse in my skyrim folder). on the same side all my other high heel clip in the floor. Racemenu HH don't seem to work. (never had this issues before AE)

[chaimhewast]

19 minutes ago, Wallthebruce said:

This driving me crazy... since the AE, I have all reinstalled. I have the last version of racemenu, install as advised the 5.2 beta for DD but still have Netimmerse overide missing issue (I can find netimmerse in my skyrim folder). on the same side all my other high heel clip in the floor. Racemenu HH don't seem to work. (never had this issues before AE)

It sounds like you have the wrong version of Racemenu. Did you get the one from Nexus (which is still for 1.5.97) or did you get the latest preliminary from Expired's Patreon (which is for 1.6.342)?

[Wallthebruce]

1 minute ago, chaimhewast said:

It sounds like you have the wrong version of Racemenu. Did you get the one from Nexus (which is still for 1.5.97) or did you get the latest preliminary from Expired's Patreon (which is for 1.6.342)?

I have the RaceMenuv0-4-16

[chaimhewast]

1 minute ago, Wallthebruce said:

I have the RaceMenuv0-4-16

Then that's your problem. The one you have is for 1.5.97. You need to update to the versions intended for 1.6.342.

[Wallthebruce]

11 minutes ago, chaimhewast said:

Then that's your problem. The one you have is for 1.5.97. You need to update to the versions intended for 1.6.342.

 men! You are a life saver!! I'll kiss you if I can! They need to put this last version on nexus. Happy new year mate!

Edited January 2, 2022 by Wallthebruce

[Dante551]

22 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Just checked, the DCL 3BBB link is still active and  correct. Try from another browser, or with a VPN. It is not yet contained in anything else.

https://mega.nz/file/8GYmGSYL#NenQzfc8Ni7ReXYJabsueUqpOyiHa63P-CEXreDG-H0

 

Paw mittens are the only things with a bodyslide. If the others are not appearing, it could be race related. What are you?

I think some things are not yet working in DCL that are for beast races. There is a new patch in the DD 5.2 beta, you could try that. The latest beta is in the DD troubleshooting post. (I'm slacking on keeping the DCL troubleshooting post in sync).

 

Don't recommend using safe word, it has some issues although CTD is a new one for me. I'd recommend using another mod, device devices equip instead to remove items that aren't removing when expected.

Your link you just sent worked, the one on the troubleshooting page isnt still? Odd, anywho, thank you so much!

 

Im playing a Lykaios

 

I did end up getting the pawmittens working, though i had to go find a DL link for what you posted, and had to download another file that a poster in this forum linked earlier on(i cant remember the page) that let me see everything in bodyslide.

 

Outside of still crashing on removal of the full suits, it runs flawlessly, and im 100% okay just turning those items off.

 

 

[Neonnimbus]

8 hours ago, Elsidia said:

What mod triggered sex scene with gag removing?

 

 

Any sex scene starting triggers gag removal, even the sexlab debug spells from sexlab itself. Scenes always unequip anything equipped in slot 44 which is the gag slot but also includes any armor and I don't know why as it will unequip items with the sexlab nostrip keyword.

[Elsidia]

1 hour ago, Neonnimbus said:

Any sex scene starting triggers gag removal, even the sexlab d

Maybe in sexlab configuration is set force remove slot 44?

 

[Neonnimbus]

1 hour ago, Elsidia said:

Maybe in sexlab configuration is set force remove slot 44?

 

 

I have it set to sexlab doesn't remove slot 44. The weird part is that it even removes items in slot 44 with the sexlab no strip keyword which shouldn't happen

[Elsidia]

8 minutes ago, Neonnimbus said:

I have it set to sexlab doesn't remove slot 44. The weird part is that it even removes items in slot 44 with the sexlab no strip keyword which shouldn't happen

You have Sasha? Enable papyrus logging, make sex with her and if gag is removed, check or send us papyrus log. Maybe there will be answer on question.

Or if you haven't Sasha do solicitation sex or force rape you by DCL. DCL do big logging in papyrus, maybe we find why gag is removed.

If you haven't DCL, just do sex somehow - DD do papyrus logging too.

 

Edited January 2, 2022 by Elsidia

[Neonnimbus]

1 hour ago, Elsidia said:

You have Sasha? Enable papyrus logging, make sex with her and if gag is removed, check or send us papyrus log. Maybe there will be answer on question.

Or if you haven't Sasha do solicitation sex or force rape you by DCL. DCL do big logging in papyrus, maybe we find why gag is removed.

If you haven't DCL, just do sex somehow - DD do papyrus logging too.

 

Managed to figure it out with the help of OsmellMC. The latest version of SLU+ had a ahegao script that messed with the slot. I just reverted to an older version of it until a later tim. Thanks for the help everyone!

[Kiratallie]

Heeeeeellllllppppp. Having a very mysterious problem and can't sort it out. For some reason, the walk/run/combat animations with any sort of armbinder or hobble skirt are not working. Oddly, the actual sex animations are completely fine. Even the various idles are fine. It's only when moving/standing around that things are borked. I'll post a couple of pictures in a second, put first.

 

1) Yes, I already built everything with Bodyslide (Several Times)

2) Yes, I already ran FNIS (Several Times)

3) I've uninstalled/reinstalled Devious Devices several times.

4) I even went with the Nuclear option and completely stripped out everything accept what was needed to run/test Devious Devices. I suffered through Helgan with a quickly made character and used add item to get an armbinder to test the issue with a stripped down barely-more-than-base-Skyrim-SE new game. The error STILL persisted, and I'm now officially at a loss. No other mods interacting with Devious Devices, no other animation mods, basically no anything, re-ran FNIS. And...still borked. Help!

 

 

 

Here is what the problem looks like.

 

 

 

 

 

Here is what the problem looks like even with 99% of all mods stripped. Basically everything but DD5.1 and it's requirements, plus CBBE and it's requirements, as well as SKYUI and the add item mod. I removed everything else and re-ran FNIS. Still bugged. Note, I know this looks like a CBBE build fail on the surface. But I even went in and SPECIFICALLY built both the armbinder and ebonite armbinder again, just to be sure. And everything else I've built with this iteration was/is working.

 

 

 

 

Not sure why, but all actual sex animations continue to have the armbinder/hobble skirt/etc working just fine. Likewise, all chastity belts, plugs, and cuffs work just fine. But Yokes, Arm/Elbow binders, and Hobbleskirts are non-functional outside sex animations. Likewise, the bound combat animations don't work. Possibly related, but I'm unsure...I always choose the bunnyhop animation for hobble skirts and that isn't functioning either. 

 

 

*Edit* Additional note: I found one place while looking for soultions that listed Zaz overirde as being an issue. I disabled that. I even removed ZAZ entirely on the stripped down attempt, since I don't think it's required for any of the DD requirements, or DD itself. This had no effect on the outcome. 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Kiratallie

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, Kiratallie said:

used add item to get an armbinder

 

If you used an armbinder DDa, that doesn't have scripts attached when manually added, so it will never use the pose. Use one of the armbinders from DDx to test with on your minimal load order.

 

Zaz is not required for DD anymore. Unless you have other mods that need it, you don't have to install it. It does work fine alongside DD, so that shouldn't be your problem.

Edited January 3, 2022 by zarantha

[zarantha]

2 hours ago, Kiratallie said:

But Yokes, Arm/Elbow binders, and Hobbleskirts are non-functional outside sex animations.

 

Post your load order here in a spoiler. That sounds like nemesis was installed at some point or you have some other conflicting mod. If you've reinstalled DD, then delete your FNIS data and rerun FNIS one more time.  If you did have nemesis, make sure the nemesis output is also disabled.

[Guest]

On 12/29/2021 at 12:21 PM, zarantha said:

 

When you installed DD, you chose the UNP options, right?

If so, that's an issue with the bhunp bodyslides. you'll need to ask on that mod.

Just to let you know.

 

I reinstalled my game and mods again. And it appears that everything is working as intended.
Not sure why everything is working now, but i did not add any other slides that i had previously. Strange.
But i am glad since everything is working and fitting. So i am happy. I only installed DD5.1 and the SLIF patch. That is it.

I just i should give a response. Just in case.

Thanks again.

[Kiratallie]

8 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

If you used an armbinder DDa, that doesn't have scripts attached when manually added, so it will never use the pose. Use one of the armbinders from DDx to test with on your minimal load order.

 

Zaz is not required for DD anymore. Unless you have other mods that need it, you don't have to install it. It does work fine alongside DD, so that shouldn't be your problem.

 

Just to recheck, I reloaded with the minimum load order again and made sure that I was using an armbinder from DD expansion, grabbed via the additem mod. Still had the issue.  

 

8 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

Post your load order here in a spoiler. That sounds like nemesis was installed at some point or you have some other conflicting mod. If you've reinstalled DD, then delete your FNIS data and rerun FNIS one more time.  If you did have nemesis, make sure the nemesis output is also disabled.

 

 

 

Here is the stripped down mod list. 

Spoiler

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0001","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0002","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0006","+","JContainers SE"
"0007","+","Address Library for SKSE Plugins"
"0016","+","Better Dialogue Controls"
"0018","+","Better MessageBox Controls"
"0020","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0037","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0038","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - Fixed Scripts"
"0039","+","HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)"
"0040","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0050","+","ENB Helper SE"
"0079","+","RaceMenu"
"0085","+","Rudy ENB Cathedral Weathers ADDONS and REQUiRED Files"
"0086","+","Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE"
"0095","+","SkyUI"
"0100","+","SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)"
"0101","+","Stay At The System Page - Updated"
"0102","+","UIExtensions"
"0104","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"0134","+","CBPC - Physics with Collisions"
"0197","+","MCM Helper"
"0275","+","SexLabFrameworkSE_v"
"0280","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose"
"0295","+","CBBE 3BA"
"0296","+","Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE"
"0313","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0316","+","Devious Devices"

 

Here is the not-stripped down modlist

 

Spoiler

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0001","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0002","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0003","+","4K SMIM Furniture Improvement"
"0004","+","PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions"
"0005","+","powerofthree's Papyrus Extender"
"0006","+","JContainers SE"
"0007","+","Address Library for SKSE Plugins"
"0008","+","Aetherium Falmer Cave Ceiling Glow"
"0009","+","Alpine Forest of Whiterun Valley"
"0010","+","Animation Motion Revolution"
"0011","+","Anna's Proudspire Manor"
"0012","+","Ash's Rest - Solstheim Dunmer Player Home"
"0013","+","Atlas Map Markers SE - Updated with MCM"
"0014","+","Auriel's Chantry HD SE"
"0015","+","Awesome HD Barrels"
"0016","+","Better Dialogue Controls"
"0017","+","Better Jumping SE"
"0018","+","Better MessageBox Controls"
"0019","+","Bleak Falls Barrow - Revisited"
"0020","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"
"0021","+","Book Covers Skyrim"
"0022","+","Capital Windhelm Expansion"
"0023","+","Cathedral Weathers and Seasons"
"0024","+","Caves HQ"
"0025","+","CC's Enhanced Ore Veins SSE - 4K - 9.0.1"
"0026","+","CG4 Trees and Bushes SE"
"0027","+","Cleaned Skyrim SE Textures"
"0028","+","CleverCharff's Castle Volkihar 4K 2K"
"0029","+","CleverCharff's Fort Dawnguard 4K 2K"
"0030","+","CleverCharff's High Hrothgar 4K 2K"
"0031","+","CleverCharff's Mines"
"0032","+","CleverCharff's Soul Cairn 4K 2K"
"0033","+","College of Winterhold Bridge Repaired"
"0034","+","Comfy Dwemer Beds"
"0035","+","Cynn's Vlindrel Hall"
"0036","+","Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visual Effects"
"0037","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0038","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - Fixed Scripts"
"0039","+","HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)"
"0040","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0041","+","Fair Skin Complexion"
"0042","+","Tempered Skins for Males - SOS Full Version"
"0043","+","Schlongs of Skyrim SE"
"0044","+","Highly Improved Male Body Overhaul -HIMBO-"
"0045","+","Masculine Khajiit Textures (Grey Cat and Leopard) [Better Males]"
"0046","+","Masculine Argonian Textures (Chameleon and Lizard) [Better Males]"
"0047","+","Dressed Hearthfire Doll"
"0048","+","Dynamic Equipment Manager SKSE Updated"
"0049","+","Embershard Mine - Revisited"
"0050","+","ENB Helper SE"
"0051","+","Enhanced Landscapes - Oaks Mixed Greens SSE"
"0052","+","Enhanced Vanilla Trees SE-Basic"
"0053","+","Farmhouses and Farm Towns by CleverCharff 4K"
"0054","+","Fix Note icon for SkyUI (SKSE64 plugin)"
"0055","+","Font Overhaul - Natural Typefaces for Skyrim (FONTS)"
"0056","+","Forgotten Retex Project"
"0057","+","Frozen Electrocuted Combustion"
"0058","+","Glorious Doors of Skyrim (GDOS)"
"0059","+","Green and Lush Aspen Trees"
"0060","+","Halted Stream Camp"
"0061","+","HD High Poly Keys II"
"0062","+","HD Reworked Baskets"
"0063","+","HD Vanilla Lanterns"
"0064","+","High Poly Project"
"0065","+","Improved Camera"
"0066","+","Improved Dwemer Glass"
"0067","+","JS Purses and Septims SE"
"0068","+","JS Shrines of the Divines SE"
"0069","+","Kyne's Grass"
"0070","+","Lightened Skyrim"
"0071","+","Marked Treasure SSE"
"0072","+","Medieval Silverworks"
"0073","+","Nordic Coast"
"0074","+","NPC AI Process Position Fix - SSE"
"0075","+","Orc Strongholds by CleverCharff"
"0076","+","Origins Of Forest - 3D Forest Grass"
"0077","+","Overgrown Cottage in Riverwood"
"0078","+","Player Size Adjuster and First Person Camera Height Fix SSE"
"0079","+","RaceMenu"
"0080","+","Rally's All The Things"
"0081","+","Rally's Solstheim AIO"
"0082","+","Raven Rock Reborn"
"0083","+","Reach Tree Replacer SSE"
"0084","+","Remember Lockpick Angle - Updated"
"0085","+","Rudy ENB Cathedral Weathers ADDONS and REQUiRED Files"
"0086","+","Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE"
"0087","+","RUSTIC AZURA'S STAR - Special Edition"
"0088","+","RUSTIC RELIEFS"
"0089","+","RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition"
"0090","+","Shrine to Kyne"
"0091","+","Simple Colored Map Markers SSE"
"0092","+","SkyHaven HD by CleverCharff"
"0093","+","Skyland AIO"
"0094","+","Skyrim Priority SE AE - skse plugin"
"0095","+","SkyUI"
"0096","+","Smaller Map Markers for SkyUI 5.2 (Standard and Widescreen)"
"0097","+","Solitude HD by CleverCharff 4K 2K"
"0098","+","Spell Perk Item Distributor (SPID)"
"0099","+","SSE Display Tweaks"
"0100","+","SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)"
"0101","+","Stay At The System Page - Updated"
"0102","+","UIExtensions"
"0103","+","Unofficial Skyrim Modder's Patch - USMP SE"
"0104","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"0105","+","Vanilla Script (micro)Optimizations"
"0106","+","Whiterun Cottage"
"0107","+","Whiterun Stables Farm"
"0108","+","Wider MCM Menu for SkyUI"
"0109","+","Windstad Manor - Solitude Row Boat"
"0110","+","WiZkiD Riften and Ratway"
"0111","+","WiZkiD Signs"
"0112","+","Static Mesh Improvement Mod"
"0113","+","WiZkiD Wells with real water"
"0114","+","Expressive Facegen Morphs SE"
"0115","+","Expressive Facial Animation -Female Edition-"
"0116","+","Expressive Facial Animation -Male Edition-"
"0117","+","High Poly Vanilla Hair"
"0118","+","The Eyes Of Beauty SSE"
"0119","+","SG Female Eyebrows"
"0120","+","High Poly Head SE"
"0121","+","KS Hairdos SSE"
"0122","+","High Elf Preset Mid"
"0123","+","Crimson Twilight - 3BA with SMP Cloth Physics"
"0124","+","Crimson Twilight Armor - CBBE SSE"
"0125","+","Scarlet Dawn Armor - CBBE SSE"
"0126","+","Vanilla Makeup HD - HD Racial Colors and Makeup for all Races and Genders - SE"
"0127","+","Vanilla Warpaints Absolution"
"0128","+","Better Female wrists hands ankles and leg ratio twists for XPMSSE"
"0129","+","Go To Bed - DAR patch"
"0130","+","Smooth Magic Casting Animation"
"0131","+","Smooth Staff Animation"
"0132","+","Feminine Jarl Sitting Animation SE"
"0133","+","Immersive Interactions - Animated Actions"
"0134","+","CBPC - Physics with Collisions"
"0135","+","SINful CBP"
"0136","+","First Person Combat Animations Overhaul 2.0 -SIZE MATTERS"
"0137","+","Take a Seat - New DAR Sitting Animations"
"0138","+","Dynamic Sitting Idles"
"0139","+","Simply Realistic Armor and Weapons (Custom NordwarUA Edition)"
"0140","+","RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition"
"0141","+","Dynamic Animation Replacer"
"0142","+","Opulent Robe Retexture 4K SE"
"0143","+","Left Hand Rings Modified SE"
"0144","+","JS Armored Circlets SE"
"0145","+","Guards Armor Replacer SSE"
"0146","+","Topless Forsworn Armor Replacer CBBE SE"
"0147","+","CC's UHD Stalhrim Weapons and Armor"
"0148","+","Spell Knight Armor Upscaled - Improved"
"0149","+","Ciri's Outfit (The Witcher 3) SE UNP-CBBE"
"0150","+","Gigaduex's Armor Sets SE"
"0151","+","Peacekeeper Armour - Special Edition"
"0152","+","Triss Armor Retextured SE"
"0153","+","Legendary Armors - Bikini SSE Beta"
"0154","+","Lustmord Vampire Armor - SSE CBBE BodySlide (with Physics)"
"0155","+","The Amazing World of Bikini Armor - CBBE SE"
"0156","+","DX Daughter of the Sea Armor - UNP CBBE"
"0157","+","Shanoa Armor CBBE port with Changes"
"0158","+","Shanoa Armor - SSE CBBE BodySlide"
"0159","+","Light Elven Armor - SSE CBBE BodySlide (with Physics)"
"0160","+","Ancient Nord Chainmail SE - CBBE 3BBB"
"0161","+","Eisen Platte Armor CBBE and UNP Port Over with Changes"
"0162","+","Light Ebony Mail"
"0163","+","Believable weapons"
"0164","+","Unique Thane Weapons"
"0165","+","Elven Blades - Elven Sword and Greatsword Model Replacers"
"0166","+","Glass Blades - Glass Sword and Greatsword Replacers"
"0167","+","Silver Edge - Silver Sword and Greatsword Model Replacers"
"0168","+","Simply Elegant Ebony Weapons"
"0169","+","Simply Stylish Steel Weapons"
"0170","+","CL's Rapier"
"0171","+","Hadhafang SE"
"0172","+","Ritevice - Sword of Stendarr"
"0173","+","Valkyrja - Viking sword"
"0174","+","Aligned Arrows and Bolts SE"
"0175","+","Elven Arrow - Wooden Retexture"
"0176","+","Falmer Arrows Revamped Texture 4k - 2k"
"0177","+","No More Fork-Like Dragonbone Arrows"
"0178","+","Real Bows (by DecimusMaximus for SSE)"
"0179","+","Real Bound Bow"
"0180","+","Auriel's Weaponry"
"0181","+","Tauriels Bow and Arrows"
"0182","+","Mirkwood Bow SE"
"0183","+","Rivendell Bow"
"0184","+","Shindara The Fire Within"
"0185","+","Maelstrom - Fully Voiced Follower and Quest Mod SSE"
"0186","+","ClamsDropPearls"
"0187","+","Away, Come Away"
"0188","+","The Tale of Tsatampra Xiros"
"0189","+","Namira for Good Guys"
"0190","+","Somebody Else's Problem - Ignore the Forsworn Conspiracy"
"0191","+","Bromjunaar Journal"
"0192","+","Evolution - Skyrim Races Rejuvenated"
"0193","+","Footprints"
"0194","+","Lawbringer"
"0195","+","Gildergreen Regrown"
"0196","+","Go to bed"
"0197","+","MCM Helper"
"0198","+","Sleep Tight SE"
"0199","+","Sleep Tight SE Fixes"
"0200","+","Mannequin Chicks"
"0201","+","Moonlight Tales Special Edition - Werewolf and Werebear Overhaul"
"0202","+","MorrowLoot Ultimate"
"0203","+","Opulent Thieves Guild"
"0204","+","A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget"
"0205","+","Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim"
"0206","+","Better Tempering Experience"
"0207","+","Boethiah for Good Guys"
"0208","+","HearthFires Display Case Fix SE"
"0209","+","Crimson Nirnroot Satchel - A 'Return to Your Roots' QoL Mod (ESL Flagged)"
"0210","+","Civil War Neutrality SSE"
"0211","+","Dawnguard as a vampire"
"0212","+","Endless Firewood - Chop Forever"
"0213","+","Moonlight Tales MCM"
"0214","+","Odin - Skyrim Magic Overhaul"
"0215","+","Passive Weapon Enchantment Recharging - Enchanted Weapons Recharge Over Time"
"0216","+","Reading Is Good (SKSE)"
"0217","+","RAB Skill experience from reading books"
"0218","+","Save the Icerunner - Lights Out Alternate Routes"
"0219","+","Skyrim Reputation"
"0220","+","Suzanna Death Outfin Replacer"
"0221","+","Thieves Guild Requirements SE"
"0222","+","Training Dummies Provide XP"
"0223","+","The Paarthurnax Dilemma"
"0224","+","We Don't Float"
"0225","+","YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE"
"0226","+","Armor Rating Redux SE - No Cap - Better Formula - Morrowind-like"
"0227","+","Resistances Rescaled"
"0228","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE"
"0229","+","Auto-Equip Best Arrows"
"0230","+","High Poly NPC Overhaul - Alternate Start Live Another Life (ASLAL)"
"0231","+","MBWS Male Housecarl NPC Replacer SSE - Default body - UNP or CBBE textures"
"0232","+","RS Children Overhaul"
"0233","+","Hearthfire Trader (All-In-One)"
"0234","+","SL Stories"
"0235","+","SL Stories Devious"
"0236","+","Kyne Blessing"
"0237","+","Cosmetic Vampire Overhaul HD SE"
"0238","+","Dibella Sisterhood"
"0239","+","Dibella Sisterhood Sisters"
"0240","+","SD Plus"
"0241","+","Shield Sisters Re-Imagined SE"
"0242","+","Elisif Re-Imagined"
"0243","+","Jarls Re-Imagined Redux"
"0244","+","College of Winterhold Re-Imagined"
"0245","+","Taarie and Endarie Re-Imagined"
"0246","+","Hearthfire Elewellyn The Nightingale - Llewellyn Replacement"
"0247","+","HD Skins for old female faces"
"0248","+","CiceReal Placer"
"0249","+","Serana Re-Imagined"
"0250","+","Song of the Green (Auri Follower)"
"0251","+","Song of the Green - Auri Replacer - Ella's version"
"0252","+","My Home is Your Home"
"0253","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"
"0254","+","SC - KS Hairdos Retextured"
"0255","+","SkyrimMusicSupplement_"
"0256","+","Eye Normal Map Fix SSE"
"0257","+","Audio Overhaul for Skyrim SE"
"0258","+","Enhanced Waterfall Sounds - EWS"
"0259","+","Improved River Sound"
"0260","+","Battle Horn Level Up -- Yggdrasil -- Replaces annoying vanilla HOO HAA sound"
"0261","+","Enderal Music for Skyrim Special Edition"
"0262","+","PC Head Tracking and Voice Type SE"
"0263","+","Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - RDO SE"
"0264","+","EFF - Extensible Follower Framework"
"0265","+","Realistic Conversations"
"0266","+","Shut The F--- Up"
"0267","+","Guard Dialogue Overhaul SE"
"0268","+","Immersive Speech Dialogues"
"0269","+","Serana Dialogue Add-On"
"0270","+","Water Loop Bug Fix"
"0271","+","The Dragonborn Comes by Malukah Tavern Music Replacer"
"0272","+","Five Main Menu Wallpapers"
"0273","+","Stop That - Comment and Complaint Remover"
"0274","+","NPC Dialogue Audio Enhancer"
"0275","+","SexLabFrameworkSE_v"
"0276","+","SexLab Beta"
"0277","+","SLAL_SE"
"0278","+","Song of the Green Patches"
"0279","+","SexLab_Shrines"
"0280","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose"
"0281","+","Dripping when aroused"
"0282","+","SexLab Attraction SE v"
"0283","+","SexLab EagerNPCSERev"
"0284","+","Babo Human"
"0285","+","Billyy's SLAL Animations 5.1"
"0286","+","Deviously Cursed Loot"
"0287","+","ZAZ 7.0SE-Rev1"
"0288","+","SL_Advanced_Cum_Stages_v"
"0289","+","SLACS textures replacer"
"0290","+","Sexlab LightMeUp SE"
"0291","+","SexlabAmmoUnequip v"
"0292","+","Mfg Fix"
"0293","+","Bug Fixes SSE"
"0294","+","Follower Trap Safety"
"0295","+","CBBE 3BA"
"0296","+","Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE"
"0297","+","Achievements Mods Enabler"
"0298","+","FleshFX"
"0299","+","Weapon Speed Effects Fix"
"0300","+","BoundCock"
"0301","+","Devious Lore SE AIO v"
"0302","+","Devious Lore"
"0304","+","Laura's Bondage Shop v3.32 SSE version - by tznvlw"
"0305","+","Deviously Pink"
"0306","+","Haven Bag"
"0307","+","Aylis Skin"
"0308","+","Aylis"
"0309","+","High Poly Female Imperial Preset for Racemenu"
"0310","+","Evelyn - a High Poly Racemenu preset SE"
"0311","+","Adrielle - A High Poly Bosmer Preset"
"0312","+","Irina - A High Poly High Elf Preset"
"0313","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0314","+","Smelting Plus"
"0315","+","Carry Weight Modifiers"
"0316","+","Devious Devices"
"0317","+","Toys Framework SE V"
"0318","+","Toys_Bodyslide_SE_CBBE_"
"0319","+","HoT"
"0320","+","Toys Workshop SE CBBE"
"0321","+","Classic ToyBox SE CBBE"
"0322","+","Northern Bathhouses - SSE"
"0323","+","Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice"
"0324","+","Breezehome"
"0325","+","Multiple Floors Sandboxing"
"0326","+","MYSLALPACK v12.0"
"0327","+","SLAL FunnyBizPack CB_"
"0328","+","SLAL Animations by Leito v1.6"
 

 

What you said about nemesis may have some merit? The modlist I started from this time wanted me to use it, so I did...only for it to make Skyrim crash despite following the exact instructions. So I removed it and its associated mods. I've also completely cleared the overwrite and rerun FNIS after having removed it (And I did that again when rechecking the minimal install version just a few minutes ago). I'm not all that familiar with Nemesis, though...so I'm not sure what you mean by disabling its output? Will having completely removed the mod from mo2 and cleared the overwrite have done that? Or does it output somewhere else that needs nuked with extreme prejudice? 
 

[zarantha]

1 hour ago, Kiratallie said:

Here is the stripped down mod list. 

 

This looks fine and should work, so there is something odd in your base game that isn't allowing it to work.

 

1 hour ago, Kiratallie said:

I've also completely cleared the overwrite and rerun FNIS after having removed it (And I did that again when rechecking the minimal install version just a few minutes ago). I'm not all that familiar with Nemesis, though...so I'm not sure what you mean by disabling its output?

 

So best practice for MO2, is to run one mod like nemesis, fnis, or bodyslide and after that output is generated, right click on the overwrite and create a new mod. that way your overwrite stays clear and all the files related to generating output for that mod is in one place and not mixed with anything else. When I say disable the output mod, that's what I was talking about.

 

If you kept everything in overwrite and deleted everything in overwrite, it should be fine.

 

What version of skyrim are you on? Find your SkyrimSE.exe, right click on it, and select properties. Look at the details tab. It's a long shot, but if you're on AE and have the SE version, that could be part of the problem.

 

Are there any errors when you run FNIS? If you're not sure, copy the whole output window after rerunning fnis on the limited mod list.

 

And it's rarely a problem with MO2 (it's the whole point of it after all) but sometimes, output will go to the real data folder instead of overwrite. So the nuclear option is to delete data in your skyrim install and validate the files in steam. if needed after that, downgrade skyrim to 1.5.97 again with this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/57618

 

For quicker testing, a limited mod list can contain alternate perspective or alternate start, so you don't need to go through the intro to test.

[Kiratallie]

6 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

This looks fine and should work, so there is something odd in your base game that isn't allowing it to work.

 

 

So best practice for MO2, is to run one mod like nemesis, fnis, or bodyslide and after that output is generated, right click on the overwrite and create a new mod. that way your overwrite stays clear and all the files related to generating output for that mod is in one place and not mixed with anything else. When I say disable the output mod, that's what I was talking about.

 

If you kept everything in overwrite and deleted everything in overwrite, it should be fine.

 

What version of skyrim are you on? Find your SkyrimSE.exe, right click on it, and select properties. Look at the details tab. It's a long shot, but if you're on AE and have the SE version, that could be part of the problem.

 

Are there any errors when you run FNIS? If you're not sure, copy the whole output window after rerunning fnis on the limited mod list.

 

And it's rarely a problem with MO2 (it's the whole point of it after all) but sometimes, output will go to the real data folder instead of overwrite. So the nuclear option is to delete data in your skyrim install and validate the files in steam. if needed after that, downgrade skyrim to 1.5.97 again with this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/57618

 

For quicker testing, a limited mod list can contain alternate perspective or alternate start, so you don't need to go through the intro to test.

 

Yeah, I originally did that with both FNIS and Nemesis...then Nemesis caused CTD on startup. So I deleted both and just used the Overwrite folder from then on with FNIS, I've never seen any point in making FNIS its own mod if it's literally the only thing in the overwrite folder, particularly given how often I end up regenerating with it. Since I've completely removed the nemesis data, that shouldn't be the issue, and it was certainly never enabled on the stripped down list. 

 

Sadly, the long shot didn't work either. I had already downgraded to 1.5.97 with that very same mod. But, just to be certain, I deleted Skyrim's data folder, verified/redownloaded from Steam, re-downgraded it with the mod, reinstalled SKSE, cleared overwrite and re-ran FNIS again. And...still bugged. Even with the stripped down 28 mod version. FNIS has no errors. Here(Tried with and without Gender Specific Animations by the way, made no difference):

 

FNIS:

 

Spoiler

 

And Just for grins in case you see something I didn't. Video of the the attempt right after that FNIS, including the DD/Sexlab MCM menus (And the fact that the struggle animation is working). I did add Alternate Start just to make test easier. I had been using it before, but removed it just in case it was the problem. Note, that I actually tried several different armbinders, not just the one from Expansion, none worked. 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

Just for the sake of making sure. I stripped down the mod list even farther(and yes, cleared/reran ovewrite/fnis). To just these 14 mods:

 

Spoiler

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name
"0000","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0001","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0002","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0006","+","JContainers SE"
"0007","+","Address Library for SKSE Plugins"
"0037","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0040","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"
"0079","+","RaceMenu"
"0095","+","SkyUI"
"0101","+","Stay At The System Page - Updated"
"0102","+","UIExtensions"
"0104","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"
"0228","+","Alternate Start - Live Another Life - SSE"
"0274","+","SexLabFrameworkSE_v"
"0279","+","SexLabArousedSSELoose"
"0295","+","Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE"
"0312","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"
"0315","+","Devious Devices"
 

 

And it's still broken. I'm at a complete loss at this point. I can't remove anything else (save alternate start) without breaking one of the mods. All requirements are met. At this point, the only thing I can think of is that there's a bug in DD itself. But that seems...unlikely not to have been reported by someone else already.

 

 

*Edit* Okay, At least half of the issue actually IS Devious Devices. The hobble skirt issue went away when I reinstalled DD5.1 with the 'walk' animation for hobble skirts, instead of the 'bunnyhop' animation. I'd reinstalled it multiple times up until that point, each time with the bunnyhop since I prefer it, but apparently something is wrong with that animation, as hobble devices only started working after I flipped to the walk version. Unfortunately, the arm binding issue still isn't resolved. Anything, be it armbinder, yoke, or rope bondage, that's supposed to bind the arms results in failure. This, in turn, screws up the Bound Combat, resulting in it not animating either. 

Edited January 4, 2022 by Kiratallie
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[zarantha]

11 hours ago, Kiratallie said:

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So at this point, I'm pretty much out of ideas. This is going to be the last set. I've never seen the armbinder animations not work on a minimal load order, so it is *something* specific to your environment.

 

Where do you have skyrim installed? If it's in one of the program files folders, try moving the installation to a folder outside of that path (like C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition). Sometimes, windows permissions for those folders screws with the game.

 

Try updating your VC redistributables from this link: https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x64.exe

 

Are you on Win 10 or Win 11? Hopefully not win 11 because I've heard it does cause some issues with games and/or steam.

Edited January 4, 2022 by zarantha

[Rafuc]

Hi question regarding Devious Devices for him, do they require some bodymod cos my males whenever they wear anything from DD have invisible bodies. Any way to fix that?

[zarantha]

22 minutes ago, Rafuc said:

Hi question regarding Devious Devices for him, do they require some bodymod cos my males whenever they wear anything from DD have invisible bodies. Any way to fix that?

 

For Him doesn't have bodyslides and all devices should be visible. The body is a SOS compatible body. HIMBO isn't supported, but that should just mean some presets clip, not that things do not show.

 

Do you have the ESP enabled? Male devices mostly won't work without it, as it's needed to load the BSA.

 

Not all devices will have male options. What device in particular (in game name), and from what mod are you seeing invisible devices.

[WenchCollector]

Sorry if this has been answered already, but what's the issue with the iron breast yoke? It doesn't conform to my bodyslide preset. It works perfect on LE, is there a way to fix it on SE?

[Kiratallie]

11 hours ago, zarantha said:

 

So at this point, I'm pretty much out of ideas. This is going to be the last set. I've never seen the armbinder animations not work on a minimal load order, so it is *something* specific to your environment.

 

Where do you have skyrim installed? If it's in one of the program files folders, try moving the installation to a folder outside of that path (like C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition). Sometimes, windows permissions for those folders screws with the game.

 

Try updating your VC redistributables from this link: https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x64.exe

 

Are you on Win 10 or Win 11? Hopefully not win 11 because I've heard it does cause some issues with games and/or steam.

 

It's installed on a secondary drive, not my C drive, so that's certainly not it. Unless something that saves to the saves folder is causing issues, since that always defaults to the documents folder and I have no idea if it's even possible to change that. 

The VC redistributable didn't help, sadly. And I'm on Windows 10 not 11. 

I did figure out one additional weird bit of...something. That might spark a thought to someone that understands how the animations work better than me. I discovered, mostly by accident, that if the armbinder is the ONLY DD device in use and I run with it on, attacking at least once, the default 'punch' unarmed animation from Skyrim will play...and then when the character returns to running the RUN animation for the armbinder will be working. As soon as movement is stopped and the character goes back to 'standing' or 'walking' the animation fails again. To me, this says one of two things. That either:

1) The standing/walking animation for the arm restraints is somehow flat out missing, despite all the other DD animations working

 

or

2) Something is overwriting the stand/walk animations with another idle animation. 

 

Two would seem more likely...if the problem didn't persist through the deactivation of every other animation mod I have. Since the issue persists in the stripped-down mod list, and I deleted/reverified all of base skyrim, I just can't figure where the heck the overriding animation would come from. Particularly when it doesn't seem there's any non-default animation at work from the pose...