Too_Funky1987 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 does anyone else find these forums very quiet now compared to last year? is WW dying off?? are ppl losing interest??
Simite Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 its still early in the year, I think generally this is how forums work, they have moments of high activity and moments of low. Since we're all from different places and become available at different times its not exactly a regular routine thing.
FauxFurry Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 The Net is too vast and there is too much that needs to be done both inside and outside of it yet the hours in the day never increase. Yes, traffic slows at this time of year but it is also that there are a growing number of things in the world which compete for everyone's time and focus that limits how long each user can remain at any given time or contribute in any way. Some of the former regulars could be said to be Communitied Out at the moment.
R-Lo Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I thought this too sometimes, Does seem to have got quiet, especially as an active creator I get very little feedback for the hours I dedicate to my animations and I'm not alone, Some might blame patreon but this shouldn't be an issue as it's all things that will be available here in most cases, The Sims 4 section of this site and it's creators are pretty much taken for granted, In most cases we're either greedy, lazy or prudes, Personally I think that another part of the problem is that people are now sharing other people's work on back-alley sites so many of the regular users no longer come here to download and only to report the stuff that they can't get working,
weredeer Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I lurk daily, but it does seem quiet. I figured it was just me. Also many of the chattier regulars that were on here last year are gone or lurking as well. Also also gotta say some epic things just happened i.e. autonomy, dick bones and tongues, so maybe things just seem quiet by comparison. I am really not sure what more to expect out of modded Sims but the last 10 months have been pretty surprising so I am def gonna keep lurking.
R-Lo Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, weredeer said: I lurk daily, but it does seem quiet. I figured it was just me. Also many of the chattier regulars that were on here last year are gone or lurking as well. Also also gotta say some epic things just happened i.e. autonomy, dick bones and tongues, so maybe things just seem quiet by comparison. I am really not sure what more to expect out of modded Sims but the last 10 months have been pretty surprising so I am def gonna keep lurking. It's the forums in general, like you say, lots of new and epic things to play with but very little chatter on what we do with them, It's nice that some regulars do respond to updates but it would be helpful and encouraging for creators and gamers alike if there were more discussion on the things shown in previews, That's what's really missing and why the site seems quiet and more like a tech support center
TURBODRIVER Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 And yet I receive more messages than ever before.
R-Lo Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, TURBODRIVER said: And yet I receive more messages than ever before. Tech support? Wickedwhims is broke etc?
Josua1970 Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 As the comrades say, many of us do not coincide in the same time slot, apart from that we can have other obligations or be immersed in animations, modifications or other projects, then you have to count the people who join, usually the first posts are due to problems with Some mod and the rest are dedicated to see what is done, until they decide to collaborate.
johnpage Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Anesjka said: I will say the elephant in the room.... "Patreon"...... Why release animations here, when you can lock them all behind Patreon...and the mods obviously do not enforce the rules.... To the creators following the rules... most content they release here is just something generic so they can say they released something... if you look in the download section, only Mike24 has really released anything recently , everything else over there is just cosmetic things.... and judging by the download numbers, not what people want. So yeah... Patreon has killed Sims 4 content I totally agree i visit Llab 2 or 3 times a day to check for new content or to redownload something i messed up, its been very quiet since xmas 17 and very lttle in the way of new content, but i guess most will go where the money is, not me though i neve liked patreon i always knew it would steal the creators eventually, at the end of the day i hold the short sighted punters or buyers responsible for why creators are shying away from Llab, if i knew how to mod sims 4 i would do it myself but free time is not a commodity i have much of these days maybe when i retire lol. I think folks that we are going to have to show much love and gratitude to those creators who are loyal to Llab and let them know how much we appreciate theire work, i will start the ball rolling by saying this to a sims 3 creator Joshq. Thank you so much joshq for your hard work and dedication your creations have made my game a pleasure to play i look forward to every new creation with joy and anticipation you have my heartfelt thanks. Now somebody tell me how i get that message out to the main board sims 3 and 4 obviously bye for now. x
Guest Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I think WW just needs new gameplay features. We've been playing with the same mod for about two years now, and the only new things added are revamped systems and fixes to already existing content. Once jobs and other main features start rolling out, I would say that it will become a little more lively again. Also, this is sort of an "off" season and it's normal to have less activity this time of the year. I understand that these things take time to create, you need a solid base before you start building up. It doesn't help that TS4 updates monthly which can cause mod breakage. So I feel for Turbo, it must be tiring working on this mod. The good news is, he has stated on his Patreon that it won't be long now until we start seeing these things. So we just have to hold out a little bit longer.
R-Lo Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 It's easy to blame patreon, too easy, How about look to the fact that there is very little to fuck all encouragement for animators these days, People seem to think that if a creator has a patreon they're excluded from giving feedback or suggestions, All the active people have been shared something since Xmas which took time out of most our projects for family etc, But when you talk about download numbers.... 1000s hit your file and five say thanks....... Is patreon to blame for that too?? It's all good us making the mods but if people don't want to talk about them while their being made then that's your quiet forum
R-Lo Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Anesjka said: Every creator is hawking their patreon and the content on there. Most of them ( I think I have visited all of their patreons ) have animations 6 months old they have not released here. So, yes, content is being lock behind paywalls.... All the active people have shared something ? .... No, they have not... many of them have added new animations to their patreon and have not logged in here for weeks. Encouragement ? Well, let us talk about Encouragement. If the mods enforce the rules aorund here and not ENCOURAGE people to keep content locked behind paywalls... then maybe LL would be like old days.... When you have over ( 20 now ? 30 ? I stopped checking ) threads talking about no new content, patreon problems and lack of anything from the new expansions... and these posts are from different people, it is obviously a problem. Maybe this board should stop encouraging Patreon hawking and return to when content was released just because people enjoyed doing it, and not looking for a quick buck. It is bad enough EA fucks us all in the ass with prices for their games, last thing we needed was Sims creators doing it too.... Normally this would push the need for new creators to come out and release things, but some do not know how, are not tech savy, do not have the time, or just not willing to put in the effort So what if creators use patreon? Times have moved on and modding is becoming an industry and evolved from being a bedroom hobby, YouTube has allowed people to PLAY video games for money and subscription and DJ"s and singers have been moved from garages and bedrooms to studio's so really the only issue here is that some have difficulty in accepting change or simply envy, I've said more times than I can count that it will be more productive to directly question those who "hawk" their creations for months on end rather than leave snide comments in threads like these, I'm not sure which active people you mean as most have shared since Xmas and a few even this month and this week!! If you're that sure I'm wrong, why not make a list and let them contest it, this could actually be helpful! Patreon is also far from a quick buck as many find out when they've jumped the gun and opened a page with the first upload, The ones earning anything worth living on are the ones who are putting in a lot of time, Yes some are greedy and ask too much money but nobody seems to have the spine to say it in their threads directly so it's not going to change, The fact of patreon isn't the scapegoat here at all, I massively overhauled two old animations this month and informed that these will be included in the coming update, Not paywalled for a month.... I got very little response and not even the person who asked about editing it have given any acknowledgement of the improvement to it, Some encouragement! You forget that the mods are the ones who set the rules, If they already know this and it's not enforced by them then it's not really against the rules unless they take action, The rule is that LINKS TO EXCLUSIVELY PAYWALLED CREATIONS is not permitted, People seem to misunderstand this when they patreon rant! If you have such a strong view on it that you feel the need to bring it up every time there's a quiet patch or a lack of something it's your opinion which you're entitled to but in this instance it's not an excuse for tens of thousands of hit & run downloaders! I think the op was more referring to the forums and not just the download section anyhow
Buddy16 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Anesjka said: Pets... Laundry ... 2 new expansion roll out and No content on Loverlab that is using any of these,..... So yes It has dried up.... well then be the pioneer and do the first pet animations I'm waiting already......
Buddy16 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Anesjka said: You must have a reading problem. I assume you have some bigger problems but that aside 5 minutes ago, Anesjka said: Normally this would push the need for new creators to come out and release things, but some do not know how, are not tech savy, do not have the time, or just not willing to put in the effort so all you say there is you're an lazy ass that just complain and won't do shit but expect others to do so? because none of those things in this quote would stop you from doing stuff don't know how.... there are tutorial how to do stuff not tech savy..... sure if you're 80 years old I'd believe you that don't have the time..... yeah sure you can't spare 1hr a day to do stuff not willing to put in the effort.... so in other words just an lazy ass
Khlas Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I'm a student in law but really you don't even need to be one to understand that the CC you create is not yours but EA properties. In fact, you can share anything from others modders and you have the right to do it. If you think I'm wrong, then you can always read EA's code of conduct, something you have to accept when using EA products. EA will not do anything against paywall content tho, at least if it's not a danger or if it's not reported. But it's illegal. Sharing, on the other hand, is legal even if unfair for some creators. Some creators try to protect their creation with "TOU" or "EULA" but these have 0 values since you already signed EA e-contract, thus make them totally irrelevant. You sign this kind of contract just when you start to buy, download or use EA product/assets, really. So it's impossible to create mods without it. If you disagree with it and you don't want to see your content shared, then don't share them, or don't use EA products. It's not the case for every games, but The Sims 4 is not one of them. However, you can ask for donation and support. It's how Patreon should be used anyway, with early release of your work between 2 and 3 weeks maximum before you have to release everything publicly and free. I insist with the everything because some animators don't do that, and the issue is here. But keep in mind that even if you do it, people can share your work and they have the right to do so, unless they ask money for it.
R-Lo Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 57 minutes ago, Anesjka said: 13. We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of the content. You forgot to spell out the ENTIRE RULE Edit: I will bold the important part. but hey, it's not enforced obviously. Notice the part where it says " Donating is fine"...yeah that. 98 % Of the content is being locked behind paywalls .... So Sims 4 content is dying.... White knight it all you want, it does not change the fact of what is happening. People are being asked to pay for content.... not donate. The pages aren't paywalled, They each offer a download to a free file, What you have a problem with is the fact that they have a link to another site where the work is uploaded before it gets here, The creators who post nothing but links are promptly jumped on by members and advised into sharing something or rudely chased off so that's no big deal it's already been dealt with and not the issue here, I personally know of 5 creators who in the last year gave up sharing their stuff and some gave up modding altogether, purely through lack of response or feedback, these guys did not have a patreon or any interest in having one, No amount of blaming paywalls will change that fact, Sims modding is very much alive, you can't say it's dried up because nobody has the desire to spend their time making people fuck dogs, I've seen the laundry being used but apart from banging on a washing machine, what can you do?? Admittedly it's a lame dlc but people are trying at least
Cataclysimz Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 On 23/02/2018 at 1:31 AM, R-Lo said: I thought this too sometimes, Does seem to have got quiet, especially as an active creator I get very little feedback for the hours I dedicate to my animations and I'm not alone, Some might blame patreon but this shouldn't be an issue as it's all things that will be available here in most cases, The Sims 4 section of this site and it's creators are pretty much taken for granted, In most cases we're either greedy, lazy or prudes, Personally I think that another part of the problem is that people are now sharing other people's work on back-alley sites so many of the regular users no longer come here to download and only to report the stuff that they can't get working, I can totally see where you're coming from. Feedback is important, it opens a vast room for improvement but many are taking it for granted... without getting any of it, there's really not much to help the creative flow.. it leaves the creators baffled and wondering whether you're actually liking their stuff or not... It's easily to lose motivation that way. I think if you're using someone's animations, or any mod for that matter.. you should take a few seconds to say something, whether it's constructive criticisim or just a thank you.. i think it'll go a long way in making the creator feel accomplished knowing what others think and how they feel about their work.
Julie J Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I think it's a case of creators sometimes running out of ideas or as R-Lo said, lack of feedback. I don't get a lot of feedback on my stuff and I don't mind constructive criticism (if polite) As for Patreon, it's something I'm considering for more complex projects in the future (Sims 4 only). It's up to the creator, I'm against paywalling but have no problem with early access. It's even in EA's TOU in regard to Patreon and early access, they're fine with it.
Mariana Soprano Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 Heya! A new DLC is there! I guess some like to check out this or some of the elder DLC (sale last days). I like to check out DLC mostly non-adult too - this month this Pet thing ;-) in this new nice town. Takes a lot of time to create some new sims and some pets too... Not too lazy but non adult results ;-)
R-Lo Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 16 hours ago, TheAfterLife said: Feedback is important, it opens a vast room for improvement but many are taking it for granted... without getting any of it, there's really not much to help the creative flow.. it leaves the creators baffled and wondering whether you're actually liking their stuff or not... This totally hits the nail on the head! Sometimes I can spend a long time on something and still never be fully happy with it, Knowing what people think actually can help speed up the creation process and sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot something that you spend a long time trying to improve on! I don't think that inspiration is dying out as I for one am wanting to make many things but limited by my skill as a learner, Many people don't realise that it's actually pretty scary to share these works and open yourself up, To show people what your into, despite the quality or level of the creator
Josua1970 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 12 hours ago, R-Lo said: This totally hits the nail on the head! Sometimes I can spend a long time on something and still never be fully happy with it, Knowing what people think actually can help speed up the creation process and sometimes a fresh pair of eyes can spot something that you spend a long time trying to improve on! I don't think that inspiration is dying out as I for one am wanting to make many things but limited by my skill as a learner, Many people don't realise that it's actually pretty scary to share these works and open yourself up, To show people what your into, despite the quality or level of the creator What I find is that people always ask the same thing, changing the location and little else, for me there is a lack of imagination on the part of those who see the creations, I like to see what objects there are to extract, which could be use in animations, usually of erotic or picaresque theme, there are many objects that are not explored, if you want tomorrow I add a list of objects with different ideas to what people are asking, it is not only sex, sometimes the preliminaries or a simple game can be more fun as an animation than just fucking.
Julie J Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 I'd be interested in that Josua, always looking for different ideas for my sims.
parzysty Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Patreon took the modding scene to new heights if anything. We have so many high quality animations it's mind boggling. I'd rather pay 5 bucks on Patreon every few months than 20 bucks for new Maxis DLC with 5 recolors. Jungle Adventure, seriously? And laundry should be in the base game, that's basic stuff. Also don't forget non-sex mods that thrive thanks to Patreon like Basemental Drugs, Extra Violence etc.
Josua1970 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Julie J said: I'd be interested in that Josua, always looking for different ideas for my sims. Then I look and comment, but I have at least counted at least 3 or 4 objects of the game that are not used and give to play. Julie, heaven (forgive the familiarity, custom) is very difficult to edit meshes, is that I would like a couple of things, and I have no idea.
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