Being a Cow

[botticelli]

3 hours ago, MuchW0W said:

to answer your question this is bac being bac usually before any prompts or dialog i saved incase of errors. 

you know where the horses are kept the stalls there one should of opened and a zaz machine would be placed there you sit down and can start your next part of script. 

if the machine is not there after x amount of time the scene may time out or if your stuck use the debug tools in the menu to unstuck or try a eerily save.

Sometimes just going to the wooden horse stalls on the left and opening it up can fix it / pop in the zaz item if you have the requirments. 

other times what can help is just walking out of render zone or teleporting out and going back.

But ya the stalls were buggy way back when the mod was created for when getting armor parts from Paul. 



 

...and make sure you have this ZAZ version installed and working.

[botticelli]

On 2/19/2022 at 9:49 PM, Eluchel said:

the tats removal worked and it got rid of the face tats too!!! Thank you so much!

 

Btw, what is the other beginning?

 

 

Also, hopefully my last question, do you know why my body cow tats have a pinkish ting?

 

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With the hunters, you have either the option to let you get caught, or to defeat them every time they show up and run to Paul afterwards. If you keep to that, you'll get the _other_ beginning without the trips to Riften.

 

The fur tats are located in textures\actors\character\SlaveTats\bac. I'll post mine here, though I've not changed anything there, but perhaps some normal map or other is missing?

 

Edited April 1, 2025 by botticelli
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[fyredraken]

2 hours ago, botticelli said:

...and make sure you have this ZAZ version installed and working.

I have that version and the 7.0 installed.  The one you have linked I don't see in my load order though. That is strange. I had to install the 7.0 for another mod cause it wasn't reading the 8.0 as being there. Is the 8.0 supposed to show in my load order? Any way I redownloaded and reinstalled it just to make sure. What is supposed to be in the stall? and how can I add it before the timeout?  I have tried everything I can think of to make the furniture appear and there is nothing there or behind the stable.

 

edit:

Okay I went back into my mods and for some reason I only had the text file that told the link and decrypt key so I got it downloaded and installed correctly, late night installing. Loaded the game and all four furniture pieces were in the stall stacked on each other. Talked to Paul for the nose ring and now none of the pieces are there.  So I placed the Garrot "chair" after talking to Paull. I get the message Unowned Manager: your are arrested cancel hunter quest ok.  That appears a couple times then Paul times out and when i talk to paul again it's as if the hunters had to die but the dialog just closes.

 

I also noticed that the Who I Am quest is still running even though I finished it with the acolyte. It's at stage 70 but I can't find what quest it would be in the list to set it to end stage. What is the name of that quest?

 

I disabled the zaz 7 in case of conflict.  Talked to paul again about a nose ring. The gate opened and there is no items. I'm assuming for the ring i need to use the garotte dynamic, please correct if i'm wrong. 

 

Trying the pillory chair to see if i am wrong but I thought that would be for hoof work only.  I get the same status message 4 or 5 times and paul times out. I think it's because the Who I am quest isn't finishing. Even if i choose the second option that the ring is stupid the who i am quest shows as running at stage 70. I'm not sure what the quest ID or name is so I can manually set it to finished.  The debug scene isn't working to fix this either.

Edited February 20, 2022 by fyredraken

[botticelli]

5 hours ago, fyredraken said:

I have that version and the 7.0 installed.  The one you have linked I don't see in my load order though. That is strange. I had to install the 7.0 for another mod cause it wasn't reading the 8.0 as being there. Is the 8.0 supposed to show in my load order? Any way I redownloaded and reinstalled it just to make sure. What is supposed to be in the stall? and how can I add it before the timeout?  I have tried everything I can think of to make the furniture appear and there is nothing there or behind the stable.

 

edit:

Okay I went back into my mods and for some reason I only had the text file that told the link and decrypt key so I got it downloaded and installed correctly, late night installing. Loaded the game and all four furniture pieces were in the stall stacked on each other. Talked to Paul for the nose ring and now none of the pieces are there.  So I placed the Garrot "chair" after talking to Paull. I get the message Unowned Manager: your are arrested cancel hunter quest ok.  That appears a couple times then Paul times out and when i talk to paul again it's as if the hunters had to die but the dialog just closes.

 

I also noticed that the Who I Am quest is still running even though I finished it with the acolyte. It's at stage 70 but I can't find what quest it would be in the list to set it to end stage. What is the name of that quest?

 

I disabled the zaz 7 in case of conflict.  Talked to paul again about a nose ring. The gate opened and there is no items. I'm assuming for the ring i need to use the garotte dynamic, please correct if i'm wrong. 

 

Trying the pillory chair to see if i am wrong but I thought that would be for hoof work only.  I get the same status message 4 or 5 times and paul times out. I think it's because the Who I am quest isn't finishing. Even if i choose the second option that the ring is stupid the who i am quest shows as running at stage 70. I'm not sure what the quest ID or name is so I can manually set it to finished.  The debug scene isn't working to fix this either.

During your conversation with Paul, open the console and type sqv bac_blacksmith, then note the ID behind chair, type prid <id> and then after ending the conversation enable.

[botticelli]

ok. Here' s my try at packing the whole thing. New features:

• unarmed hooves (stage 14) as well as ears should now grow in matching color to the fur
• some MCM tweaks to Paul's radiant quests an the "Story" page
• moved item activators from MilkMaid to Settings page
• MilkMaid list and MilkMaid View now two separate pages in MCM (due to page size limits)
• Collected the items in FormList objects in the .esp rather than a bunch of arrays that were constructed on each load (and failed to be so sometimes)
• Dialogue overhaul
• hooves now have keyword zad_DeviousBoots (requires DDa)

 

You'll probably have to run BodySlide after install to correctly create the accessories.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2025 by botticelli
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[botticelli]

two bug fixes:

1. I didn't delete the DD nifs from the bsa, so any BodySlide DD nifs you create would be ignored
2. my optimization of the reequip method calls had axed too many. Now any new cow would only first update when the first mutation happens and not with each stage as necessary.

Please overwrite bac.bsa or replace it in the archive before installing.

 

Edited April 1, 2025 by botticelli
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[Eluchel]

11 hours ago, botticelli said:

With the hunters, you have either the option to let you get caught, or to defeat them every time they show up and run to Paul afterwards. If you keep to that, you'll get the _other_ beginning without the trips to Riften.

 

The fur tats are located in textures\actors\character\SlaveTats\bac. I'll post mine here, though I've not changed anything there, but perhaps some normal map or other is missing?

bac_slavetats_textures.7z 67.91 MB · 5 downloads

Oh that is interesting, I will have to try that one of these days to see what happens.

 

I will try those textures, thanks botticelli!

[Eluchel]

11 hours ago, botticelli said:

With the hunters, you have either the option to let you get caught, or to defeat them every time they show up and run to Paul afterwards. If you keep to that, you'll get the _other_ beginning without the trips to Riften.

 

The fur tats are located in textures\actors\character\SlaveTats\bac. I'll post mine here, though I've not changed anything there, but perhaps some normal map or other is missing?

bac_slavetats_textures.7z 67.91 MB · 5 downloads

OMG Those textures fixed it!!! Thank you so much @botticelli!!!!

[P0P]

Hello. I had to reinstall Skyrim, and BaC anyway so I checked to see if anything had happened with the mod. And looky here... New toys... So I tried installing 'bac_alternate_1.9B.7zip'. I installed it instead of the last uploads from Skrimfet, 'Being a Cow and Being_a_Cow_Tats'  after all the prereqs ( MME, ZaZ 8.0+ DD etc ) The game loads, but as the menu comes up it crashes to the desktop. I know I am being vague but can a install guide or order be given? When I tried the individual textures etc. they all worked. I know I broke it... Thanks botticelli 

[fyredraken]

14 hours ago, botticelli said:

During your conversation with Paul, open the console and type sqv bac_blacksmith, then note the ID behind chair, type prid <id> and then after ending the conversation enable.

 

I am sorry if I am driving you a little nuts, I'm good at breaking things ?

 

Okay so I did as you said it made the stocks chair appear. I again got the message about cancelling hunter gonna hunt ok 4 or 5 times.  Then Paul times out.  MCM story reports Blacksmith quest running 20, Who I am quest running  20, unowned quest running 30, Hunters gonna hunt running 40 enslaved cow stopped 0, cow's tear running 0, and enslaved cow #2 stopped 0.  At this point the Who I am quest should be done and marked finished since i'm done with the acolyte.  I really think Who I am still running is messing up the other quests. But, I have not found it in anything marked as running and my quest log has it marked as completed.  Not sure what is happening or why I can't complete this or even get shoes or anything from Paul. When I try to talk to paul about his services the dialog just stops. Just to make sure I did update to the newest making sure to replace the .BSA file in archive before installing. I still get the same result with Paul timing out. Went as far as to use the level up potions to get to 30/30 on the transformation unequiped everything before talking to Paul and same thing happens, he times out before putting the ring in my nose. I am including a video to show you exactly what is happening: 

 

https://youtu.be/rRPruiuBoHQ

 

Also with the current 1.9b update my hoof color is the same brown even though my fur is white and the mutagen for spotted isn't working.

 

I restarted the blacksmith quest from 20 and was able to get the first shoes.

Edited February 21, 2022 by fyredraken

[fyredraken]

1 hour ago, P0P said:

Hello. I had to reinstall Skyrim, and BaC anyway so I checked to see if anything had happened with the mod. And looky here... New toys... So I tried installing 'bac_alternate_1.9B.7zip'. I installed it instead of the last uploads from Skrimfet, 'Being a Cow and Being_a_Cow_Tats'  after all the prereqs ( MME, ZaZ 8.0+ DD etc ) The game loads, but as the menu comes up it crashes to the desktop. I know I am being vague but can a install guide or order be given? When I tried the individual textures etc. they all worked. I know I broke it... Thanks botticelli 

What version of Skyrim are you using? How are you installing? Are you using NMM, Vortex, manual, etc.?

[fyredraken]

2 hours ago, fyredraken said:

 

I am sorry if I am driving you a little nuts, I'm good at breaking things ?

 

Okay so I did as you said it made the stocks chair appear. I again got the message about cancelling hunter gonna hunt ok 4 or 5 times.  Then Paul times out.  MCM story reports Blacksmith quest running 20, Who I am quest running  20, unowned quest running 30, Hunters gonna hunt running 40 enslaved cow stopped 0, cow's tear running 0, and enslaved cow #2 stopped 0.  At this point the Who I am quest should be done and marked finished since i'm done with the acolyte.  I really think Who I am still running is messing up the other quests. But, I have not found it in anything marked as running and my quest log has it marked as completed.  Not sure what is happening or why I can't complete this or even get shoes or anything from Paul. When I try to talk to paul about his services the dialog just stops. Just to make sure I did update to the newest making sure to replace the .BSA file in archive before installing. I still get the same result with Paul timing out. Went as far as to use the level up potions to get to 30/30 on the transformation unequiped everything before talking to Paul and same thing happens, he times out before putting the ring in my nose. I am including a video to show you exactly what is happening: 

 

https://youtu.be/rRPruiuBoHQ

 

Also with the current 1.9b update my hoof color is the same brown even though my fur is white and the mutagen for spotted isn't working.

 

I restarted the blacksmith quest from 20 and was able to get the first shoes.

Playing a hunch I went back to the og save reset bac_blacksmith and talked to Paul he was able to add the ring. went and did something else and then I got a message that Paul timed out.  I am still getting multiple messages from "unowned manager: about cancelling hunter gonna hunt quest ok".  even though paul timed out i still have the ring.

[P0P]

@fyredraken

Hello. I am using Skyrim LE, I am installing with Nexus mod manager,  When I first found the bac_alternate file I thought it was a group of updates and I unzipped and drug the folders into Skyrim\Data, started a new game and it worked. No problems with ZaZ furniture or sudden overencumberance either. I am going to try a few things. Thanks

Edited February 21, 2022 by P0P
Needed more info

[fyredraken]

56 minutes ago, P0P said:

@fyredraken

Hello. I am using Skyrim LE, I am installing with Nexus mod manager,  When I first found the bac_alternate file I thought it was a group of updates and I unzipped and drug the folders into Skyrim\Data, started a new game and it worked. No problems with ZaZ furniture or sudden overencumberance either. I am going to try a few things. Thanks

Okay if you need help let us know. I am using the 1.9b file but it may still need the base files from the front page not sure.  I've been updating as things come out, botticelli could confirm that as i'm not sure.

[botticelli]

8 hours ago, P0P said:

@fyredraken

Hello. I am using Skyrim LE, I am installing with Nexus mod manager,  When I first found the bac_alternate file I thought it was a group of updates and I unzipped and drug the folders into Skyrim\Data, started a new game and it worked. No problems with ZaZ furniture or sudden overencumberance either. I am going to try a few things. Thanks

Old NMM or Vortex? Old NMM was one reason this did provide different results in every installation beacuse it didn't keep track of which file was overwriting which other one.

Anyway, this is the first time I'm actually packing a mod up for someone else to install. Obviously I missed something. I had a look at skyrimfet's latest zip and it sports a folder structure "Being a Cow\Data\<everything else>". I missed out on the first two folders. Also, I obviously did pack some ZAZ and DD meshes into the .bsa which do not belong there. So – hopefully – here is a version that a) should be possible to install using either Vortex or ModManager and b) does not block any ZAZ or DD stuff anymore. If this stil doesn't work, I'll make a loose files version without the .bsa.

 

(file see next post)

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by botticelli

[botticelli]

On 2/21/2022 at 11:43 AM, botticelli said:

Old NMM or Vortex? Old NMM was one reason this did provide different results in every installation beacuse it didn't keep track of which file was overwriting which other one.

Anyway, this is the first time I'm actually packing a mod up for someone else to install. Obviously I missed something. I had a look at skyrimfet's latest zip and it sports a folder structure "Being a Cow\Data\<everything else>". I missed out on the first two folders. Also, I obviously did pack some ZAZ and DD meshes into the .bsa which do not belong there. So – hopefully – here is a version that a) should be possible to install using either Vortex or ModManager and b) does not block any ZAZ or DD stuff anymore. If this stil doesn't work, I'll make a loose files version without the .bsa.

...and still something was missing ? This time, it was a) the bac.seq file (either drop the attached seq file in data\SEQ\ or use the installer below) and b) bac.json (only necessary in data\textures\actor\character\SlaveTats\, if you want to add the fur tats using SlaveTats menu).

 

 

Edited April 1, 2025 by botticelli
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[fyredraken]

I'm playing this mod on two different character.  The second character is on the enslaved cow #2 quest.  She has made it as far as the auction in Riften and it just stops.  I'm standing in the cell waiting on the auction to start but nothing is happening.  I can see people moving around and Paul is standing in the entry occasionally drinking.  I have run the stuck scene in the MCM but nothing changed.  Have tried waiting a full day with varying times on the wait. What can I do to spur this forward? From what I can tell this might part of the cow's tear quest line. It's after marc returns and sells you out in riften.  I am not able to find what is happening currently in the quest list to try to advance it to the next stage. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by fyredraken

[botticelli]

35 minutes ago, fyredraken said:

I'm playing this mod on two different character.  The second character is on the enslaved cow #2 quest.  She has made it as far as the auction in Riften and it just stops.  I'm standing in the cell waiting on the auction to start but nothing is happening.  I can see people moving around and Paul is standing in the entry occasionally drinking.  I have run the stuck scene in the MCM but nothing changed.  Have tried waiting a full day with varying times on the wait. What can I do to spur this forward? From what I can tell this might part of the cow's tear quest line. It's after marc returns and sells you out in riften.  I am not able to find what is happening currently in the quest list to try to advance it to the next stage. 

You're supposed to be in the milking machine in the centre. The quest AI railroading should have brought you there. If not, try getting into the machine by yourself.

[Eluchel]

52 minutes ago, fyredraken said:

I'm playing this mod on two different character.  The second character is on the enslaved cow #2 quest.  She has made it as far as the auction in Riften and it just stops.  I'm standing in the cell waiting on the auction to start but nothing is happening.  I can see people moving around and Paul is standing in the entry occasionally drinking.  I have run the stuck scene in the MCM but nothing changed.  Have tried waiting a full day with varying times on the wait. What can I do to spur this forward? From what I can tell this might part of the cow's tear quest line. It's after marc returns and sells you out in riften.  I am not able to find what is happening currently in the quest list to try to advance it to the next stage. 

also, if you can't move try shouting, that sometimes unsticks me 

 

[fyredraken]

1 hour ago, botticelli said:

You're supposed to be in the milking machine in the centre. The quest AI railroading should have brought you there. If not, try getting into the machine by yourself.

@botticelli Not sure why it didn't move me to the milking machine when the scene faded in i was in the cell not able to move or do anything other than look around. tried moving to stage 75 and nothing. I was able to set stage to 80 and was moved back to whiterun stables with paul and everything seems to be working okay.  Not sure if there was a condition that was unmet in there or what happened.

 

@Eluchel Have never tried a shout to be able to move will have to look into that.

 

Question: Not sure if this is a milk mod or something dealing with hardcore but as i progress in milkmaid levels i'm not able to wear any armor or clothing. at maid lvl 3 i could only wear cloths now at level 6 i can't wear anything armor or body cover related. is there something i can do here?

 

BTW, love all the work you are putting in to revitalize this mod. Not sure if skyrimfet is going to come back to this mod but if not maybe you should see if you can take over the development or it. One suggestion though as you made the feet hooves DD all boot effects are happening. since the transformation is slow the PC would have time to adjust to the new shape of her feet.  I personally would remove the effects if your going to keep them DD.  Also, would add the hand hooves to DD glove.  I play with the hardcore on so a trap chest or striker adding locking gloves wouldn't be the best in my opinion.

Edited February 21, 2022 by fyredraken

[botticelli]

10 minutes ago, fyredraken said:

@botticelli Not sure why it didn't move me to the milking machine when the scene faded in i was in the cell not able to move or do anything other than look around. tried moving to stage 75 and nothing. I was able to set stage to 80 and was moved back to whiterun stables with paul and everything seems to be working okay.  Not sure if there was a condition that was unmet in there or what happened.

 

@Eluchel Have never tried a shout to be able to move will have to look into that.

 

Question: Not sure if this is a milk mod or something dealing with hardcore but as i progress in milkmaid levels i'm not able to wear any armor or clothing. at maid lvl 3 i could only wear cloths now at level 6 i can't wear anything armor or body cover related. is there something i can do here?

 

BTW, love all the work you are putting in to revitalize this mod. Not sure if skyrimfet is going to come back to this mod but if not maybe you should see if you can take over the development or it. One suggestion though as you made the feet hooves DD all boot effects are happening. since the transformation is slow the PC would have time to adjust to the new shape of her feet.  I personally would remove the effects if your going to keep them DD.  Also, would add the hand hooves to DD glove.  I play with the hardcore on so a trap chest or striker adding locking gloves wouldn't be the best in my opinion.

also you can use ZAZ MCM Player Control Center to re-enable movement

[botticelli]

1 hour ago, fyredraken said:

@botticelli Not sure why it didn't move me to the milking machine when the scene faded in i was in the cell not able to move or do anything other than look around. tried moving to stage 75 and nothing. I was able to set stage to 80 and was moved back to whiterun stables with paul and everything seems to be working okay.  Not sure if there was a condition that was unmet in there or what happened.

 

@Eluchel Have never tried a shout to be able to move will have to look into that.

 

Question: Not sure if this is a milk mod or something dealing with hardcore but as i progress in milkmaid levels i'm not able to wear any armor or clothing. at maid lvl 3 i could only wear cloths now at level 6 i can't wear anything armor or body cover related. is there something i can do here?

 

BTW, love all the work you are putting in to revitalize this mod. Not sure if skyrimfet is going to come back to this mod but if not maybe you should see if you can take over the development or it. One suggestion though as you made the feet hooves DD all boot effects are happening. since the transformation is slow the PC would have time to adjust to the new shape of her feet.  I personally would remove the effects if your going to keep them DD.  Also, would add the hand hooves to DD glove.  I play with the hardcore on so a trap chest or striker adding locking gloves wouldn't be the best in my opinion.

You can disable armor stripping in MilkMod Economy MCM Debug Menu.

 

[X] Adding zad_DeviousGloves to Hand Hooves.

[fyredraken]

42 minutes ago, botticelli said:

You can disable armor stripping in MilkMod Economy MCM Debug Menu.

 

[X] Adding zad_DeviousGloves to Hand Hooves.

I don't want it to not strip when i milk. It just now that my level is getting up there it saying i can't wear, well anything clothing/armor wise, because my breasts are to big.

 

Also I seem to be stuck as a giantess cow. the mutagen is not shrinking me down at all just playing with my weight. do i just use the showracemenu to shrink myself back down? or is there something i'm missing?

Edited February 21, 2022 by fyredraken

[P0P]

Hiya everybody.  For people getting stuck during BaC scenes, Try Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/14884. This has helped me with every mod that has unvoiced dialogue.

 

@botticelli Thanks for all the work. I will do a fresh install of Skyrim and give the new uploads a try. I uploaded a screen cap of my NMM mod list. I didn't know about the file overwrite and tracking issue. That explains how dragging and dropping files into a functional installation worked. And worked well. More thanks.

Edited February 21, 2022 by P0P

[botticelli]

1 hour ago, fyredraken said:

I don't want it to not strip when i milk. It just now that my level is getting up there it saying i can't wear, well anything clothing/armor wise, because my breasts are to big.

 

Also I seem to be stuck as a giantess cow. the mutagen is not shrinking me down at all just playing with my weight. do i just use the showracemenu to shrink myself back down? or is there something i'm missing?

"Disable Armor Stripping" does just that. It will prevent clothing/armor to be removed due to too large breasts. For milking, armor is still being removed.

 

Did you get the "Tall Cow" mutation? It adds .11 to your base size (so a Nord would be 1.14 instead of 1.03). I don't like either Tall or Stunted (Short [sic]) cow, so i normally disable those two. So if you got that and want to be your old size, you should have a look at the console: player.getscale lists two values like 1.00 (1.03) for a Nord. If you are stuck with Tall Cow, those would look like 1.00 (1.14). You need to get the bracket value to your desired size (1.00 is best for sex scenes). So, to get to 1.00 from 1.14 you need to type "player.setscale .88" (.88 = 1 / 1.14 [roughly]). If you only want to get back to Nord Size, it would be .9 (1.03 / 1.14). If you aren't a Nord, base sizes are: High Elf 1.08, Orc 1.04, Breton 0.95, all else 1.00.

Edited February 21, 2022 by botticelli