cweez Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 This is a bit of a strange one, in that I can't find any way to stop Lydia following me. I've done some searches and tried all the usual suspects: set playerfollowercount to 0 Disable > enable resetai recycleactor The strange thing is, when I talk to her, there aren't any conversation options about getting her to stop following me or anything like that. No wait, no go home, nothing. I'm playing a pretty heavily modded skyrim, but nothing that changes anything to do with followers, at least as far as I know. That said, when I tried to use the kill console command, she simply went down to one knee, I assume because of DAYMOYL, and I couldn't kill her outright, not sure if that's related to this problem. Modlist/load order: https://modwat.ch/u/cweez/plugins Any ways to fix this since I 99% of the time play solo would be much appreciated!
Delzaron Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 Kill/sacrifice her. Some mods allow you to sacrifice an essential follower (by beheading mostly). Resurrect her after her death, she should be reinitialized! But the game will understand she's dead, and you'll receive the heritance letter.
Lodakai Posted September 29, 2017 Posted September 29, 2017 Sofia would be pleased by this solution. I believe console command setessential a2c8e 0 should set Lydia to mortal.. so you can kill her. Use the console and target her to get her base id though...just to verify the ID number is correct. Further details on this command can be located here http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Console Search for setessential
cweez Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry, that was one of the things I checked before and forgot to mention, she was currently setessential as 0. I'll try backing up my safe file and downloading the Ultimate Follower Overhaul since that seems to let you make them killable amongst other things, and I'll report back. Edit: Nope, killed her, used resurrect and she's still following me, and there's no follower options in the chat menu. Guess I'll try to find another follower to replace her, see if that does the trick. What followers are easy to gain early in the game?
Lodakai Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 go punch the snot out of Uthgerd the unbroken in whiterun. She will follow you. Maybe check your relationship rank with Lydia. I know slaverun reloaded does a lot of stuff in whiterun, maybe check and see if some event wasn't interrupted while lydia was trying to complete something. I can't be much help there since I have no experience with that mod other than reading the front page.
cweez Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 set playerfollowercount to 0 I have no idea how to respond to this.
allsunday Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 This is a bit of a strange one, in that I can't find any way to stop Lydia following me. I've done some searches and tried all the usual suspects: set playerfollowercount to 0 Disable > enable resetai recycleactor The strange thing is, when I talk to her, there aren't any conversation options about getting her to stop following me or anything like that. No wait, no go home, nothing.I'm playing a pretty heavily modded skyrim, but nothing that changes anything to do with followers, at least as far as I know. That said, when I tried to use the kill console command, she simply went down to one knee, I assume because of DAYMOYL, and I couldn't kill her outright, not sure if that's related to this problem. Modlist/load order: https://modwat.ch/u/cweez/plugins Any ways to fix this since I 99% of the time play solo would be much appreciated! This issue is most likely a broken save. If a main vanilla NPC like Lydia can't even be talked to like normal then this should've been a big red flag to stop and reload a previous save when everything was working fine. I would suggest starting a new game to see if Lydia exhibits the same issues... it's likely she won't. But in any case, try a save cleaner if you still want to salvage your current game although I would advise that starting a new game at this point would still be the best option because save cleaners can't always fix everything. Alternatively, if you really believe that perhaps DAYMOYL or some other follower mod is the culprit, try uninstalling the mod. Load game. Save. Close game. Reinstall the mod. And load the game again. Use a save cleaner afterwards. Obviously make sure you're not using one of the four or five mods out there that will break if a save cleaner is used.
cweez Posted September 30, 2017 Author Posted September 30, 2017 Well, here's an update. I was able to recruit Uthgerd as a follower, but Lydia continued to follow me around anyway, though when talking to her, the top conversation option became an option to recruit her as a follower for 500 gold, though this wouldn't work because it told me I already had a follower. Dismissing Uthgerd, the option to recruit Lydia vanished again. Downloaded the Simple multiple followers mod, recruited Uthgerd then tried to recruit Lydia, but I didn't get the recruitment option for Lydia this time. Using one of the commands added by the mod, I got it to tell all followers to wait where they were, but Lydia continued to follow me. At this point, I'm just going to disable her, that way I can reenable her if I do ever want to do anything with her, but I can just get on with the game without dealing with her constantly tagging along. In the meantime, if you can come up with any other options for fixing this, I'm all ears! Edit: Allsunday, it's not that I can't talk to her, I can talk to her just fine, there's just no follower options available. Since I wasn't planning on using her as a follower, I didn't notice that this was an issue immediately. I just told her to wait in Breezeholm when I got her, and continued on playing the game on my own. Then suddenly a couple of hours of gameplay later she just runs up to me while I'm in the middle of the wilderness and that's when this all started. If I had to guess, it might have been because I gave her a wait command in Breezeholm before the slaverun mod had taken over Whiterun, and then when it did it might have screwed something up, though I'm honestly not sure what that would have been. I'll try running a save cleaner on my save, otherwise I'll just disable and forget about her until someone else posts something here I can try.
KoolHndLuke Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 set playerfollowercount to 0 I have no idea how to respond to this. It is a console command to reset your follower count. Should dismiss any followers that wouldn't before.
MrEsturk Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Seeing as you appear to still be able to recruit other followers without issue have you considered saying "screw it", using the disable console command on Lydia, and just leaving her disabled? Assuming you don't mind her being gone from your current savegame for good.
Uncle64 Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 What you should do is before you starts to mess whit console, fix your loadorder, you have errors in it. All small errors there can make the game stupid. And I have seen many loadorders from NMM and MO and yours is one of the bad ones. You have wrong order in Left side in MO and also wrong order in Right side. Remove all saves you have there you have tried whit console, and fix your load. When you have done that, you should only load the save, let the game do nothing for some time. Save, load the save you did, save again. load. You must help skyrim fix it self, since now you loading wrong information in your save. Even if you kill off lydia, and wreck the save more whit one savecleaner you will run in to more issues later again.
cweez Posted October 1, 2017 Author Posted October 1, 2017 set playerfollowercount to 0 I have no idea how to respond to this. It is a console command to reset your follower count. Should dismiss any followers that wouldn't before. Sorry for the snark, but that was literally the first bullet point in my opening post. Seeing as you appear to still be able to recruit other followers without issue have you considered saying "screw it", using the disable console command on Lydia, and just leaving her disabled? Assuming you don't mind her being gone from your current savegame for good. Yeah, that's what I've done for the moment. I can enable her again if there are any more suggested What you should do is before you starts to mess whit console, fix your loadorder, you have errors in it. All small errors there can make the game stupid. And I have seen many loadorders from NMM and MO and yours is one of the bad ones. You have wrong order in Left side in MO and also wrong order in Right side. Remove all saves you have there you have tried whit console, and fix your load. When you have done that, you should only load the save, let the game do nothing for some time. Save, load the save you did, save again. load. You must help skyrim fix it self, since now you loading wrong information in your save. Even if you kill off lydia, and wreck the save more whit one savecleaner you will run in to more issues later again. Huh, thanks for the heads up. I'd have thought that the right hand site should be fine since I ran it through Loot prior to even starting the game save, and the left hand side I went over to make sure that nothing was overwriting anything else less important, I'll have another look over things, see if I can figure out what's out of order there. Edit: Just had a look over the modwatch report, and it's completely different to the order MO shows (And is also missing quite a few mods), I'll update the link in a minute. Edit2: Figured it out, I uploaded the wrong profile initially, from before I started messing around with actual graphics mods, sorry about that. Hopefully the updated link has a better load order that gives you slightly less of a headache!
Lodakai Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 One thing that always came in handy for me is Scent of sex. It has a utility feature that works for many things outside of just SL stuff. From it you can see what factions lydia has, toggle vanilla follow on and off as well as simple follow. I've used it to kickstart broken npc followers in the past successfully although my situation was a bit different. You can take a look and see if it works for you. http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3037-scent-of-sex/ I honestly use this more for the tools than for the intended functionality most of the time.. although there is an ingame hotkey you can use to play around with the fun parts whenever you want, while disabling it to keep script use low when you don't want it at all. Very handy. It will be in the actors editor section in the MCM, you will need to click refresh a few times sometimes as it loads up available actors in your area. You can also try removing some factions in there if they seem off.
cweez Posted October 1, 2017 Author Posted October 1, 2017 Thanks for the tip! Had a look through the menus it provides, and while there's lots of info there, I'm not entirely sure how to read it! One obvious thing it notes is that she's not a follower, but having not used the mod before and not having any other saves to check, I don't know which of the other faction things should be there. Please could you post the factions that your Lydia has in game and I can try editing mine as needed. https://ibb.co/bZrTWG https://ibb.co/gpBvBG https://ibb.co/cwKhrG
Lodakai Posted October 1, 2017 Posted October 1, 2017 Thanks for the tip! Had a look through the menus it provides, and while there's lots of info there, I'm not entirely sure how to read it! One obvious thing it notes is that she's not a follower, but having not used the mod before and not having any other saves to check, I don't know which of the other faction things should be there. Please could you post the factions that your Lydia has in game and I can try editing mine as needed. https://ibb.co/bZrTWG https://ibb.co/gpBvBG https://ibb.co/cwKhrG In my game she has Town whiterun Faction 0 Potential marriage faction 0 player housecarl faction 0 player faction 0 and the 3 SLA factions timerate exposure and arousal. Under fellowship tab relationship rank is ally You can click the recruit tabs on and off here. Try to cycle both once each.
cweez Posted October 2, 2017 Author Posted October 2, 2017 Did you fix your load? Yeah. Or rather, it wasn't my load to start with. I didn't realise that modwatch defaults to the default MO profile, so it uploaded an old and incomplete profile instead of the one I've actually been using. I've updated the links in my OP to be accurate now! Lodakai, I'll try deleting a couple of those factions next time I load the game up, see if that fixes anything. Worst case, I just reload.
valcon767 Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 ok something to check is - is Lydia a member of current follower faction ... if she is she will follow like you described the faction number is - 0005c84e I have had the game (not sure if it was a base game quest or a mod added one) fire (dismiss) all current followers for me in the process of doing this for the 2 followers I had at the time (I use AFT) it did 1 perfectly (ending the follower quest and adjusting all the factions) and for the other it did everything except remove her from the current follower faction (0005c84e) which turned her into a stalker (kinda like Aerin follows Mjoll). if she is not supposed to be a follower and is in the current follower faction, you will not get recruit dialogue, and if the follower quest is not running for her you will not get dismissal dialogue either. to check factions you can use either "Scent of Sex" or "Devious Devices - Equip" both will let you check a character's factions DDE will also let you remove a faction (take extreme care when removing factions this way, it can break your game). if she is not supposed to be a follower and is in the current follower faction (0005c84e) you "should" be able to remove her from it, hopefully without totally breaking your game.
shadow866 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Maybe i missed it but. What follower manager mod are you using? none?
cweez Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 ok something to check is - is Lydia a member of current follower faction ... if she is she will follow like you described the faction number is - 0005c84e I have had the game (not sure if it was a base game quest or a mod added one) fire (dismiss) all current followers for me in the process of doing this for the 2 followers I had at the time (I use AFT) it did 1 perfectly (ending the follower quest and adjusting all the factions) and for the other it did everything except remove her from the current follower faction (0005c84e) which turned her into a stalker (kinda like Aerin follows Mjoll). if she is not supposed to be a follower and is in the current follower faction, you will not get recruit dialogue, and if the follower quest is not running for her you will not get dismissal dialogue either. to check factions you can use either "Scent of Sex" or "Devious Devices - Equip" both will let you check a character's factions DDE will also let you remove a faction (take extreme care when removing factions this way, it can break your game). if she is not supposed to be a follower and is in the current follower faction (0005c84e) you "should" be able to remove her from it, hopefully without totally breaking your game. Thanks for the reply, I just installed SoS on the advice of another poster here and posted the screenshots, this is the relevant one I believe: https://ibb.co/cwKhrG Which lists her in the potential follower faction, but not an actual follower faction? Another page on the MCM does state that she is not currently a follower. Maybe i missed it but. What follower manager mod are you using? none? I now have Scent of Sex, but previously had none installed since I rarely use followers.
Lodakai Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 She's supposed to be in potential follower faction. But I don't know why she is in hireling faction. I don't think she should have that one. SSX is not really a follower mod. For that, you may want to use one of the following AFT Amazing follower tweaks EFF Extensible follower framework UFO Ultimate follower overhaul (last i checked this was a bit dated) I personally use EFF. Also in conjunction or alone you can use the very awesome Follower live package. Also with follower live package.. you can basically add lydia to that framework and tell her to wander around skyrim away from you randomly. Or use the system within it to make her wait indefinitely in particular areas.. away from you. I use EFF with FLP... they work pretty well together.. there is a patch in FLP.
valcon767 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 ok factions (you can find the list with the faction numbers on www.UESP.net ) there are separate factions for PotentialFollower (0005C84D) CurrentFollower (0005C84E) Marriage (there are several relating to marriage) CurrentHirelingHireling (000BD738) PlayerHousecarl (000A2C8D) BYOHHouseSteward (XX00308E) if Lydia is not supposed to be following you now, but has followed you in the past, and you are not married to her she should be in PotentialFollower PlayerHousecarl and several others I do not remember off hand she should not be in CurrentFollower CurrentHireling (actually any hireling factions) and the site linked has the full factions list that you can check to see if she is supposed to be in the factions she is actually in (at least for all the vanilla factions). edited due to accidently posting part way thru typing edit 2 I use AFT personally (you choose which works best for you), and FLP will work with it as well (FLP can actually be used a follower control mod, but I don't think it works as a multi follower control mod {could be wrong here going off memory}). EFF - easy to use, can manage up to 100 (last time I checked) follower in a single game (it remembers what each followers level, stats, and more are) AFT - slightly harder usage, up to 32 per game (the version I am using), I know EFF and AFT both have a reset the mod feature (meaning it clears all remembered records wiping the slate totally clean) UFO - honestly the last time I tried to use it I could not get it to work right (it also requires a lot more patches for certain other mods) (some use it with no problems at all, but I was not that lucky)
Uncle64 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 FLP is superior to AFT/EFT/UFO. It also have one patch to work whit EFF. Aft is old and should be not used instead Iaft should be used. UFO should not be used since it have some flaws that will after some time kill your game. And OP will not have this issue fixed if he dont fix his loadorder. As I have pointed out. I will unsubscribe to this tread now.
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