tatrin059 Posted April 28, 2017 Posted April 28, 2017 Hi, unfortunately, I have the following problem: F4 crashes if any animation mod (Leito's Animation Pack, Crazy's pack). I use Mod Org, F4se and Fp-mos only. Any other mods aren't installed. F4 starts without problems with "four play 0.0.8.2", "Four Lei 081", "FP Mindless 1 2" , "4PlaySEU", "FP Prostitution 1 3", "FP Violate 1 2", "FP VanillaFudge 1 2" and "Strap". But if Leito's Animation Pack (or Four, or Crazy Animations, or FP Autonomy 1 1) is activated, then F4 crashes on loading. I rewrote in Fallout.ini (with Mog Org): [Archive] bInvalidateOlderFiles=1 sResourceDataDirsFinal= [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 bEnableProfiling=1 sDefaultLogOverlay=Papyrus Fallot4Pref.ini (Mod Org) [Launcher] uLastAspectRatio=0 bEnableFileSelection=1 Also I made the necessary changes into ini-files in ..\My Games\Fallout4\
dexxl Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Please help. I've followed the instructions carefully and gone over it at least 10 times, I've done everything correct. When I load the game via f4se_loader.exe the game loads fine, it says there are mods and achievements are turned off but when I get into the game, no mods actually load. I don't get any messages on the top left corner. I don't get any options to trigger any mods. Only thing I did different was that I had to download the patches 1.7, 1.712. 1.8 and 1.9 and install them before f4se would load the game. I've reinstalled f4se I've turned off all the mods, saved a new game and turned the mods back on I got no idea what else I should be doing to make this work. I've only just started the game, I'm up to the part where you meet the dog please help!!
shahzam Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 HELP guys! i followed everything and all works, but ONE. the ANIMATION. im using nexus mod manager n it didnt detect Four-Play Compatibility Patch for Leito's Pack in the plugin tabs, i try to manually paste the files downloaded to Data folder in my installation, n it didnt work also is there any ways to make leitos animation work? how to integrate it with nexus mode i use the crazy animation n it did work. but i really want the leito's animation thx in advance
bayouwars Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks to everyone for the helpful tips - I got it to work - here is where I messed up - I did not follow the instructions below when I downloaded and extracted F4SE Copy and Paste the content of what you just extracted into your FO4 installation folder, including the Data folder (the readme included with F4SE is outdated and tells you otherwise) If asked whether to overwrite some files, click Yes. It's safe, don't worry. thx again Bayouwars
shahzam Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Thanks to everyone for the helpful tips - I got it to work - here is where I messed up - I did not follow the instructions below when I downloaded and extracted F4SE Copy and Paste the content of what you just extracted into your FO4 installation folder, including the Data folder (the readme included with F4SE is outdated and tells you otherwise) If asked whether to overwrite some files, click Yes. It's safe, don't worry. thx again Bayouwars Did your leito animation works?
bayouwars Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 bayouwars, on 01 May 2017 - 09:39 AM, said: Thanks to everyone for the helpful tips - I got it to work - here is where I messed up - I did not follow the instructions below when I downloaded and extracted F4SE Copy and Paste the content of what you just extracted into your FO4 installation folder, including the Data folder (the readme included with F4SE is outdated and tells you otherwise) If asked whether to overwrite some files, click Yes. It's safe, don't worry. thx again Bayouwars Did your leito animation works? I believe so - although I never saw where it was "registered" in the top left corner when I first installed it - the animations and audio work fine and appear to be lieto's - (so far there have been various sex scenes that appear to mirror the descriptions in lieto's mod - so I would have to say yes). My only issue now, and - not a big one by any means - is that Garvey and Piper are overly modest and keep their underwear on - everyone else strips naked - I must have a conflict someplace but again - not a big issue.
jensrosk Posted May 1, 2017 Posted May 1, 2017 Still in Fallout4Custom.ini, find/ Create [Papyrus] section and make sure it looks like this (Yes, yes, this doesn't make any sense why not having Papyrus logging would stop F4SE from working, but it's a Bethesda game! - a lot of people failed to make Four-Play work initially because of this step) : [Papyrus] bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 bEnableProfiling=1 sDefaultLogOverlay=Papyrus Thanks for this very well-written installation guide! I have an "installation question" what I hope you can answer: I've followed your installation guide meticulously step by step, but I have the same problem as another forumer: The characters don't undress for sex. You wrote in another answer to this forumer that it was a FS4E / Papyrus log issue - and to read your text in red in this thread. But that does not solve the issue for me. Of course, if you have another suggestion as to why they don't undress, I'd love to hear it. If you need more info about my game installation, just ask - but it's the newest verson 1.09H, and I've followed all your instructions to the letter. I'm attaching my .ini files (edit: I wanted to, but the forum does not allow me to upload "that kind of files" (mayby they have herpes!)). (so I have Fallout4.ini, Fallout4Custom.ini and Fallout4Prefs.ini in the MyGames\Fallout4 folder) I have a question in this regard: You write in the guide that if there's no Fallout4Custom.ini, then to create one with the content you specified. When running the game for the first time, it created two ini files: Fallout4.ini and Fallout4Prefs.ini. Could it be that when you write to put the text specified in your post in Fallout4Custom.ini, you really mean to put it in Fallout4.ini? I'm asking because in one of the mods you guide people to install (Four Play Sex Em up) at http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/3972-four-play-sex-em-up/ it says in their installation guide: "Installation: Install F4SE and the scripts that come with it. Go into your C:\Users\*yourusername*\Documents\My Games\Fallout4 and open up the Fallout4.ini file with Notepad, and go to where it shows something like this: Quote [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=0 bEnableTrace=0 bLoadDebugInformation=0 Change the numbers on the end of the last three lines from 0 to 1, then save. If those lines don't exist, add them and make sure it looks like this: Quote [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1" So you are telling people to "Program" papyrus instructions in Fallout4Custom.ini, while the creators of Four Play Sex Em up are telling to put instructions that are almost similar to those specified by you, in Fallout4.ini. And having these almost identical instructions in two different .ini files looks to me like something that might cause a problem with this Papyrus script (or whatever it is). Since I'm a total noob in this matter (although not on computers or programming), would you be kind to explain, too, what this Papurys is and does? And of course I hope you can answer my questions regarding the ini files, and how to get those characters nude - the real problem Thanks again for your installation guide! Since I can't upload the .ini files, I am quoting their content here: Fallout4.ini: [Display] sD3DDevice="Radeon RX 480 Graphics" [Papyrus] fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0 bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 Fallout4Custom.ini: [Archive] bInvalidateOlderFiles=1 sResourceDataDirsFinal= [Papyrus] bEnableLogging=1 bEnableTrace=1 bLoadDebugInformation=1 bEnableProfiling=1 sDefaultLogOverlay=Papyrus [Display] iLocation X=0 iLocation Y=0 Fallout4Prefs.ini: [Display] iTexMipMapSkip=0 bEnableWetnessMaterials=1 bEnableRainOcclusion=1 bSAOEnable=1 iShadowMapResolution=4096 uiShadowFilter=3 uiOrthoShadowFilter=3 fBlendSplitDirShadow=48.0000 iMaxFocusShadows=4 iMaxFocusShadowsDialogue=4 fShadowDistance=20000.0000 fDirShadowDistance=20000.0000 iDirShadowSplits=3 iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100 iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25 bVolumetricLightingEnable=1 iVolumetricLightingQuality=2 bForceIgnoreSmoothness=0 fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=999999.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=999999.0000 iAdapter=0 iSize W=1920 iSize H=1080 sAntiAliasing=TAA iMaxAnisotropy=16 iPresentInterval=1 bFull Screen=1 bBorderless=1 flocalShadowMapHalveEveryXUnit=750.0000 focusShadowMapDoubleEveryXUnit=450.0000 fShadowBiasScale=1.0000 uPipboyTargetHeight=700 uPipboyTargetWidth=876 bVolumetricLightingForceCasters=0 iTiledLightingMinLights=40 bComputeShaderDeferredTiledLighting=1 bSinglePassDirShadow=1 fTessFactorMaxDistanceScale=100.0000 fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000 fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000 fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000 fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000 fMeshLODFadeScalar=1.0000 fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000 fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000 fInteriorMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1950.0000 fInteriorMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=2600.0000 bTopMostWindow=0 bMaximizeWindow=0 bAllowShadowcasterNPCLights=0 iScreenShotIndex=0 fMaxFocusShadowMapDistance=450.0000 bPrecipitationOcclusion=1 [LightingShader] bScreenSpaceReflections=1 bScreenSpaceSubsurfaceScattering=1 [imagespace] bMBEnable=1 bLensFlare=1 bDoDepthOfField=1 bScreenSpaceBokeh=1 [LOD] fLODFadeOutMultActors=15.0000 fLODFadeOutMultItems=10.0000 fLODFadeOutMultObjects=30.0000 fLODFadeOutMultSkyCell=1.0000 [Grass] fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000.0000 fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000 fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=1000.0000 [NVHBAO] bEnable=0 fBackgroundAOViewDepth=750.0000 bBackgroundAOEnable=1 fDepthThresholdSharpness=100.0000 fDepthThresholdMaxViewDepth=500.0000 bDepthThresholdEnable=0 iDepthClampModeEnum=0 fCoarseAO=1.0000 fDetailAO=0.6500 fBlurSharpnessProfileBackgroundViewDepth=1.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundViewDepth=0.0000 fBlurSharpnessProfileForegroundSharpnessScale=4.0000 bBlurSharpnessProfileEnable=0 fBlurSharpness=16.0000 iBlurRadiusEnum=1 bBlurEnable=1 fPowerExponent=2.5000 fBias=0.1000 fRadius=0.6500 [Decals] bDecals=1 bSkinnedDecals=1 uMaxDecals=1000 uMaxSkinDecals=100 uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=40 [TerrainManager] fTreeLoadDistance=75000.0000 fBlockMaximumDistance=250000.0000 fBlockLevel2Distance=110000.0000 fBlockLevel1Distance=90000.0000 fBlockLevel0Distance=60000.0000 fSplitDistanceMult=1.5000 bShowLODInEditor=0 [NVFlex] bNVFlexEnable=0 iQuality=0 iMaxNeighbors2=64 iMaxNeighbors1=48 iMaxNeighbors0=32 iMaxParticles2=32768 iMaxParticles1=16000 iMaxParticles0=6000 fKillRadius2=4000.0000 fKillRadius1=3000.0000 fKillRadius0=2000.0000 bNVFlexInstanceDebris=1 bNVFlexDrawDebris=1 [blurShaderHDR] bDoHighDynamicRange=0 [blurShader] bUseBlurShader=0 [Launcher] bEnableFileSelection=1 uLastAspectRatio=1 [Pipboy] fPipboyEffectColorB=0.0900 fPipboyEffectColorG=1.0000 fPipboyEffectColorR=0.0800 [VATS] fModMenuEffectHighlightPAColorB=0.4100 fModMenuEffectHighlightPAColorG=0.8200 fModMenuEffectHighlightPAColorR=1.0000 fModMenuEffectPAColorB=0.4100 fModMenuEffectPAColorG=0.8200 fModMenuEffectPAColorR=1.0000 fModMenuEffectHighlightColorB=0.0824 fModMenuEffectHighlightColorG=1.0000 fModMenuEffectHighlightColorR=0.0706 fModMenuEffectColorB=0.4200 fModMenuEffectColorG=0.9900 fModMenuEffectColorR=0.4900 [MAIN] fSkyCellRefFadeDistance=150000.0000 bCrosshairEnabled=1 fHUDOpacity=1.0000 bSaveOnPause=1 bSaveOnTravel=1 bSaveOnWait=1 bSaveOnRest=1 [General] bGamepadEnable=0 bPipboyCompanionEnabled=0 iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1 bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0 uGridsToLoad=5 [interface] bDialogueSubtitles=0 bGeneralSubtitles=0 iHUDColorB=21 iHUDColorG=255 iHUDColorR=18 bDialogueCameraEnable=1 bShowCompass=1 uHUDActiveEffectWidget=2 [Controls] fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0300 fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=0.6667 bAlwaysRunByDefault=1 bInvertYValues=0 bGamePadRumble=1 [GamePlay] iDifficulty=1 bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1 bShowQuestMarkers=1 [Particles] iMaxDesired=750 [saveGame] fAutosaveEveryXMins=10.0000 [AudioMenu] fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000 fVal7=1.0000 uID7=0 fVal6=1.0000 uID6=0 fVal5=1.0000 uID5=0 fVal4=0.6500 uID4=138006 fVal3=0.6500 uID3=1007612 fVal2=1.0000 uID2=94881 fVal1=0.6500 uID1=466532 fVal0=0.6500 uID0=554685 [Water] bUseWaterDisplacements=1 bUseWaterRefractions=1 bUseWaterReflections=1 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VannaOfBevelstone Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Does anyone know how to increase the duration of the sex scenes? they don't last nearly long enough.
Sunsnub Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Just have to say, this guide is awesome, and much appreciated.
dexxl Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Still hoping to get some help? yes, I've copied everything from f4se including the data folder Please help. I've followed the instructions carefully and gone over it at least 10 times, I've done everything correct. When I load the game via f4se_loader.exe the game loads fine, it says there are mods and achievements are turned off but when I get into the game, no mods actually load. I don't get any messages on the top left corner. I don't get any options to trigger any mods. Only thing I did different was that I had to download the patches 1.7, 1.712. 1.8 and 1.9 and install them before f4se would load the game. I've reinstalled f4se I've turned off all the mods, saved a new game and turned the mods back on I got no idea what else I should be doing to make this work. I've only just started the game, I'm up to the part where you meet the dog please help!!
vinfamy Posted May 2, 2017 Author Posted May 2, 2017 Does anyone know how to increase the duration of the sex scenes? they don't last nearly long enough. I'll add options to change duration for all my mods in an All-In-One 'MCM' once I get some time off this month Still hoping to get some help? yes, I've copied everything from f4se including the data folder Please help. I've followed the instructions carefully and gone over it at least 10 times, I've done everything correct. When I load the game via f4se_loader.exe the game loads fine, it says there are mods and achievements are turned off but when I get into the game, no mods actually load. I don't get any messages on the top left corner. I don't get any options to trigger any mods. Only thing I did different was that I had to download the patches 1.7, 1.712. 1.8 and 1.9 and install them before f4se would load the game. I've reinstalled f4se I've turned off all the mods, saved a new game and turned the mods back on I got no idea what else I should be doing to make this work. I've only just started the game, I'm up to the part where you meet the dog please help!! Hmm, do you have a Papyrus log? do any other mods work? CBBE/ EVB ? Any mod at all on Nexus. If not, then repeat the ini steps.
dexxl Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Thanks for reply. Yes, I've done everything in the ini as instructed. The mods don't seem to load when I start the game. There is a [M] when the game is saved and it does say that mods are loaded, achievements are disabled when I start a non [M] game. When I type in Getf4SEversion it says version 3.
vinfamy Posted May 2, 2017 Author Posted May 2, 2017 Thanks for reply. Yes, I've done everything in the ini as instructed. The mods don't seem to load when I start the game. There is a [M] when the game is saved and it does say that mods are loaded, achievements are disabled when I start a non [M] game. When I type in Getf4SEversion it says version 3. Hmm not sure but two things to try: It's possible that because you downloaded and installed the patches. They end up overwriting the SKSE files that you installed before. So follow the SKSE Step again just to make sure. Run the game, load a save and if the notifications about Four-Play setting up slots still don't show up, go to \Documents\My Games\Fallout4\Logs\Script and upload the Papyrus.0.log on here and I'll have a look
dexxl Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 I'm sorry if I missed a step but I don't see the SKSE step? if it's the F4SE you mean I've reinstalled it about 50 times since updating all the patches.... Also I don't have the log file in that file path. I've done a search for papyrus on my C: and nothing comes up either?
vinfamy Posted May 2, 2017 Author Posted May 2, 2017 I'm sorry if I missed a step but I don't see the SKSE step? if it's the F4SE you mean I've reinstalled it about 50 times since updating all the patches.... Also I don't have the log file in that file path. I've done a search for papyrus on my C: and nothing comes up either? Missing log folders means that the game is not recognizing whatever changes you make in Fallout4Custom.ini Back up your Fallout4.ini. Try repeating the changes you made for Fallout4Custom.ini but using Fallout4.ini instead (Adding the lines if they're not already there)
dexxl Posted May 2, 2017 Posted May 2, 2017 Not sure what happened, everything looks the same but it started to work.... Thanks for the help!
Sunsnub Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 It would be very much appreciated if you could add a section to this guide for updating from an older version to a newer one. I tried updating from 0.0.8.1 to 0.0.8.2 and I totally broke my shit. I even had to reinstall MO before getting 0081 (and the game in general) working again. It doesn't seem to work to apply the new update on top of the old. Am I doing something wrong? Do I need to delete (or remove in MO vernacular) the old one before installing the new? Some guidance on updating would be a very good addition to this guide. Cheers, and thanks in advance.
Shor Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I've been reading through the comments, and have a few questions... First, my situation. My current game has ~80 .esp/.esm mods, plus several that are texture / meshes only. I have installed 4play as per your guide, and vanilla fudge to play with in-game. I have never had any of the 'crazy' mods installed, so have left all of my mods active. I get no activation notices. So, questions: Absent notices, how to test for correct installation? Is there a console command? If I do have to de-activate all my mods to activate 4play, will it then continue to be active after I re-activate all of my mods? After getting it active, and with all my other mods active, can then I continue with my current saves, or is this mod best left to starting a new game for best results? Edit: I went ahead and de-activated all mods, started new game. Saved just after the autosave after character creation. Now I had a save without mods... Enabled just four play, Leito's anims, and FP vanilla Fudge (Four_Lei is just some scripts, nothing to enable...) Loaded game, no enable / activation notice.
vinfamy Posted May 3, 2017 Author Posted May 3, 2017 I've been reading through the comments, and have a few questions... First, my situation. My current game has ~80 .esp/.esm mods, plus several that are texture / meshes only. I have installed 4play as per your guide, and vanilla fudge to play with in-game. I have never had any of the 'crazy' mods installed, so have left all of my mods active. I get no activation notices. So, questions: Absent notices, how to test for correct installation? Is there a console command? If I do have to de-activate all my mods to activate 4play, will it then continue to be active after I re-activate all of my mods? After getting it active, and with all my other mods active, can then I continue with my current saves, or is this mod best left to starting a new game for best results? Edit: I went ahead and de-activated all mods, started new game. Saved just after the autosave after character creation. Now I had a save without mods... Enabled just four play, Leito's anims, and FP vanilla Fudge (Four_Lei is just some scripts, nothing to enable...) Loaded game, no enable / activation notice. No reason why you would have to disable all your all other mods for Four-Play to work Papyrus log would be nice to know what went wronng
Shor Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I've been reading through the comments, and have a few questions... First, my situation. My current game has ~80 .esp/.esm mods, plus several that are texture / meshes only. I have installed 4play as per your guide, and vanilla fudge to play with in-game. I have never had any of the 'crazy' mods installed, so have left all of my mods active. I get no activation notices. So, questions: Absent notices, how to test for correct installation? Is there a console command? If I do have to de-activate all my mods to activate 4play, will it then continue to be active after I re-activate all of my mods? After getting it active, and with all my other mods active, can then I continue with my current saves, or is this mod best left to starting a new game for best results? Edit: I went ahead and de-activated all mods, started new game. Saved just after the autosave after character creation. Now I had a save without mods... Enabled just four play, Leito's anims, and FP vanilla Fudge (Four_Lei is just some scripts, nothing to enable...) Loaded game, no enable / activation notice. No reason why you would have to disable all your all other mods for Four-Play to work Papyrus log would be nice to know what went wronng Magic.... Papyrus.0.log
vinfamy Posted May 3, 2017 Author Posted May 3, 2017 Magic.... Papyrus.0.log It looks like a F4SE related issue. Try doing the F4SE step again.
Torchwood Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 was great to get everything up and working but during certain animations in the test cell, the characters would just stand there.Does following this still require Crazy's Gun as per the installation instructions for the Four-Play page, or does the Leito patch remove the need for this?The animations and stripping work! It's just the Doggystyle and downward doggy ones that don't play when I select them in the first PC test cell. The orgy terminal room had leito's aggressive doggy playing fine between two npcs.
mjs1278 Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Thanks for all the help and I apologise if this is a dumb question. When you refer to F4SE, are you referring to f4se_loader.exe? I went through all the steps and the mods are there they just aren't loading. Step 12 - Launch the Game via F4SE In the top-left corner of your screen, you'll see a big "Launch Fallout4" button. DON'T click on it just yet. Instead, click on the little downward triangle next to it. Select Launch F4SE. Now you can press the button to start the game via F4SE. You always have to start the game via F4SE for Four-Play to work properly When I get to that step and launch F4SE_loader.exe The game just starts as normal. Thanks again for any help.
vinfamy Posted May 3, 2017 Author Posted May 3, 2017 was great to get everything up and working but during certain animations in the test cell, the characters would just stand there. Does following this still require Crazy's Gun as per the installation instructions for the Four-Play page, or does the Leito patch remove the need for this? The animations and stripping work! It's just the Doggystyle and downward doggy ones that don't play when I select them in the first PC test cell. The orgy terminal room had leito's aggressive doggy playing fine between two npcs. There are some issues with the test cells. Just use the Four-Play plugins (Mindless, SEU, Violate, Prostitution etc) to trigger scenes When I get to that step and launch F4SE_loader.exe The game just starts as normal. Thanks again for any help. The game is supposed to start 'normally' when started with F4SE_loader.exe. Just continue down the steps and see if Four-Play works
mjs1278 Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 was great to get everything up and working but during certain animations in the test cell, the characters would just stand there. Does following this still require Crazy's Gun as per the installation instructions for the Four-Play page, or does the Leito patch remove the need for this? The animations and stripping work! It's just the Doggystyle and downward doggy ones that don't play when I select them in the first PC test cell. The orgy terminal room had leito's aggressive doggy playing fine between two npcs. There are some issues with the test cells. Just use the Four-Play plugins (Mindless, SEU, Violate, Prostitution etc) to trigger scenes When I get to that step and launch F4SE_loader.exe The game just starts as normal. Thanks again for any help. The game is supposed to start 'normally' when started with F4SE_loader.exe. Just continue down the steps and see if Four-Play works Thank you for the reply. I started the game used a clean save. Nothing popped up in the corner and I couldn't trigger any animation. Any suggestions on steps I redo or logs to check? Thank you for the reply. I started the game used a clean save. Nothing popped up in the corner and I couldn't trigger any animation. Any suggestions on steps I redo or logs to check? Thank you for the reply. I started the game used a clean save. Nothing popped up in the corner and I couldn't trigger any animation. Any suggestions on steps I redo or logs to check? Sorry for the weird repetition above. My phone wigged out on me.
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