Incest mod! Now a WIP! (Link to New Thread in Description)

[deltadeath93]

most of the custom races  i use can be related to  any main race in game and i think the same falls for alot of them  example would be  nighiem race is based off of nord so family should be nord ashen  to me seem to be closer to imperial than redguard  think only custom races i have that conflict would be moonshadow elves and sucubus race

[eriberri]

I think the concept of allowing the player to choose their race (rather then having it assigned), would assume that the pc was adopted as a very young child.

 

Indeed, it does take something away from the true taboo nature of sex with blood-related family if the pc is not actually blood-related.

 

In any case, I'm not yet sure how we will go about catering towards those 'adopted' pcs, or if we'll even make the distinction. It has the potential to create a lot of extra work and voicing that may not truly be worth it in the end.

 

It's something we'll be discussing in the very near future, anyway.

[Tristamid]

You could always just use the Gods.  Just say that as a punishment, or reward, or just for the hell of it, one of the Daedra replaces a family member with you, so everyone sees you as them except you.  Now, you ARE them, technically, but it would explain why you don't look like your other "family" members.  In this way, you can get your "true" incest, while at the same time covering why characters look so different in an immersive way.  Cheers.

[Vulon]

You could always just use the Gods.  Just say that as a punishment, or reward, or just for the hell of it, one of the Daedra replaces a family member with you, so everyone sees you as them except you.  Now, you ARE them, technically, but it would explain why you don't look like your other "family" members.  In this way, you can get your "true" incest, while at the same time covering why characters look so different in an immersive way.  Cheers.

 

Ha, that's an interesting idea. I can see one of the daedric princes doing that just for lulz (here's lookin' at you, Sheogorath) -- I rather like this idea, although that would still necessitate some additional dialogue and, possibly, events, in order for everything to really make sense. 

 

My own opinion on the custom race issue is as follows -- here's some text copied from a recent PM.

 

"If the player wants to play as a custom race, I say we just give them the option to pick their family and let the mod play out as is. I don't know about the both of you, but personally, I have no interest whatsoever in making additional work for ourselves in this regard, since, as you said, the taboo elements just aren't there. If players are dead-set on using a custom race, we certainly shouldn't restrict them, but they shouldn't go in expecting everything to make sense. We would have to do so much more work while sacrificing a crucial element of this mod."

 

Considering everything we're already planning on incorporating into this mod -- the sheer amount of dialogue, subsequent voice acting, events, scenes, etcetera -- you can see why addressing the topic of custom race would be a whole lot of extra work if we were to customize the experience for the custom race player. Every family will be unique, and that would mean that if we were to, say, have the custom race player be an adopted son or daughter rather than blood-related, we would have to modify existing dialogue and events for every existing family, nearly doubling our workload. 

 

The Daedra idea would present an easier work-around, but I'd like to hear the others' opinion on it. I'd also like to hear any other ideas, and feedback from players dead-set on using a custom race. 

[eriberri]

At first when I read the 'Gods' idea I was a little bit skeptical about it, but then as I started reading Vulon's post it began to make more and more sense to me.

 

It would certainly save us a hell of a lot of extra work, and would probably only require minimal additions here and there. Nothing we couldn't handle, I think.

 

Plus the Sheogorath involvement is quite brilliant. Man, we could do some crazy shit with that.

 

Minimalistically speaking, of course.. better not get too carried away, as I am wont to do.

[Vulon]

Minimalistically speaking, of course.. better not get too carried away, as I am wont to do.

 

Haha, my mind's been in overdrive for the last few minutes, running in all sorts of directions with this idea. Here's what I'm currently envisioning :

 

We go with Sheogorath as the Daedra of choice. I'm thinking he would initially appear to the player in Skyrim as, say, a mad, Cicero-esque Jester, completely giddy and insane. I think it would be fun to have the mad prince of the daedra take on another form. I've voiced Cicero-type characters before, and I'd be happy to do it again.

 

Anyway, he tracks the player down, much as a courier would, and engages the player in conversation, babbling on about giving the pc the chance to 'become someone else' and 'see through eyes not your own and play with lives unknown', something along those lines. After some dialogue, the player is teleported smack dab into the family of choice's home, where the mod plays out as it normally would. The family would see the player as their son/daughter, and everything the player subsequently says or does would be dictated by circumstance. We can just go ahead and assume the player's in a state of existential limbo or some such mumbo-jumbo, stuck in this stranger's life, living through them. It would take a bit of the taboo element out of the incest, but add an entire extra layer of guilty pleasure in the form of living a stranger's life. And it would STILL technically be incest, just not in the way one would expect.

 

At certain points in the progression of the player's relationship with his or her family member of choice, we would be treated to glimpses of scenes in which the "real" player converses with Sheogorath (perhaps in the form of dreams or alternate planes of existence, I dunno), who would manifest himself in a different form every time, just for kicks. Good ol' Sheo would just be dropping by to check in, of course, pleased as punch at the situation he'd thrust the player into. 

 

What do y'all think?

[Kain82]

 

Minimalistically speaking, of course.. better not get too carried away, as I am wont to do.

 

Haha, my mind's been in overdrive for the last few minutes, running in all sorts of directions with this idea. Here's what I'm currently envisioning :

 

We go with Sheogorath as the Daedra of choice. I'm thinking he would initially appear to the player in Skyrim as, say, a mad, Cicero-esque Jester, completely giddy and insane. I think it would be fun to have the mad prince of the daedra take on another form. I've voiced Cicero-type characters before, and I'd be happy to do it again.

 

Anyway, he tracks the player down, much as a courier would, and engages the player in conversation, babbling on about giving the pc the chance to 'become someone else' and 'see through eyes not your own and play with lives unknown', something along those lines. After some dialogue, the player is teleported smack dab into the family of choice's home, where the mod plays out as it normally would. The family would see the player as their son/daughter, and everything the player subsequently says or does would be dictated by circumstance. We can just go ahead and assume the player's in a state of existential limbo or some such mumbo-jumbo, stuck in this stranger's life, living through them. It would take a bit of the taboo element out of the incest, but add an entire extra layer of guilty pleasure in the form of living a stranger's life. And it would STILL technically be incest, just not in the way one would expect.

 

At certain points in the progression of the player's relationship with his or her family member of choice, we would be treated to glimpses of scenes in which the "real" player converses with Sheogorath (perhaps in the form of dreams or alternate planes of existence, I dunno), who would manifest himself in a different form every time, just for kicks. Good ol' Sheo would just be dropping by to check in, of course, pleased as punch at the situation he'd thrust the player into. 

 

What do y'all think?

 

I really like this idea, Vulon.  Maybe there should a shrine to Sheogorath within the house?  Also I look forward to your voice work, which I enjoy by the way.

 

Maybe Sheogorath can come in a dream, or enter the pc's mind, like he did with Pelagius the Mad?

 

Once again.  Excellent idea, Vulon.

[eriberri]

Way to go with staying minimalistic, Vulon!

 

But seriously, the idea is plausible and quite fun. Let's see how we go.

[Jexsam]

Throwing in Daedric fuckery seems unnecessary considering the family selection method already included is perfectly fine for covering custom races. There's no reason you should care about or cater to anyone using a dryad or shark-furry race beyond that, especially if lore-friendliness is your goal.

 

I mean, think about it. The family may see you as their son or daughter in the Sheo scenario, but the player will only see their character. Already you have a visual disconnect that completely kills the allure of the incest scenario. If Sheo pops up periodically just to remind you that you're in someone else's body, it would just serve to rub the fact that this isn't even your own family in your face.

 

Then you've got to consider the possible endings. If these family members become followers, won't it be weird for them hearing other people refer to their dark elf sibling/child as an Argonian or what have you? How would you reconcile the player transitioning back to the role of player while keeping the family?

 

I mean, the Sheo idea is definitely not bad and would make sense in lore, but I really feel like you're bordering on idea creep and should just stick with what you've already got laid out.

 

...

 

That said, I'm not against a shift in the mod's overall tone. QBee's original idea was very super srs and, while interesting, doesn't quite sit with my taste. If we're going to drop in Daedric stuff, especially the Prince of Madness, that opens up doors to slightly less serious ways of handling the mod's story. It removes the need to be super romantic and can be used to change the tone of the blackmail portion of the originally suggested questline into something a little less grim. Hell, throw in a portion with Sangiune to really get the debauchery flowing while you're at it if that's the way you're going (I imagine Sanguine and Sheo throw some killer parties - literally, at times).

[eriberri]

We haven't decided on anything solid in relation to what was just talked about anyway, the idea only just came up, after all.

 

The overall tone of the mod since QB's original idea has already dramatically changed; it's nowhere near as dark as the original concept. Even the dire situations will sometimes (not always, obviously) have a way out if you're prepared to use your brain.

 

Anyway, there is no single tone to the mod anymore; it will be largely dictated by the players choices & actions, the family they choose to play and the family member(s) they romance.

[Vulon]

Yeah, this is very much just an idea to consider at this point. But just to address some of the points you brought up :

 

 

 

The family may see you as their son or daughter in the Sheo scenario, but the player will only see their character. Already you have a visual disconnect that completely kills the allure of the incest scenario. If Sheo pops up periodically just to remind you that you're in someone else's body, it would just serve to rub the fact that this isn't even your own family in your face.

The visual disconnect could actually be used to our advantage, I think, with some clever writing. Inhabiting another's body is a pretty appealing prospect, from a voyeuristic perspective, and the scenes with Sheo could be written to reinforce this. The family not being your own does present a hurdle...I'm still thinking on how we could tackle that in a satisfactory way, but I'm confident we'll be able to figure something out, if we end up going this route. 

 

 

 

If these family members become followers, won't it be weird for them hearing other people refer to their dark elf sibling/child as an Argonian or what have you? How would you reconcile the player transitioning back to the role of player while keeping the family?

That could be explained in much the same manner as the family seeing them as their own flesh and blood, despite being a decidedly different race. Daedric fuckery, as you put it.

 

If Sheogorath can convince these people that the player is their child, he could just as easily hold sway over what they hear and see while out and about. 

 

 

 

I mean, the Sheo idea is definitely not bad and would make sense in lore, but I really feel like you're bordering on idea creep and should just stick with what you've already got laid out.

You could very well be right. I think it would be fun, and no less jarring than simply ignoring the fact that the player's a custom race, but anything's possible at this moment in time. And, as Eri stated, the tone of the mod has shifted since its conception. 

[remois]

Well the best course of action would be to make the mod with the possibility to add more content in mind (by that I mean the programming)

Meaning generic fonctions  that are reusable with custom npcs etc...

 

So you'll have an extendable core mod... And other modders or yourselves could go and add your own little plugins....

[eriberri]

I think we're aiming to have as relatively all-encompassing a mod as possible when we do release it. Another reason for this is that, as I pointed out to Kain, voice actors may not be willing to do additional work beyond what we eventually release. That's just one problem.

 

Also, plugins for each additional feature could get complex and messy quite quickly (it was an idea that crossed my mind too, in passing), especially with how intimately a lot of additional features would interact and intertwine with what we'd already have.

 

But who knows.

[MasterAaran]

Hehe...well...I just came into this conversation late, had a heart attack when you guys were talking about Sheo, and then recovered when I realized it was only for 'custom races', or perhaps for those that choose not to be their default race.

 

I've actually never done a daedric quest, in my entire time playing Skyrim....Just never been interested in doing them, though I understand that there's some 'fun times' involved......actually, I take that back. I did start the one in markarth with the house.

 

So anyway .....

 

Keep up the great work!

[The Lord]

Aaaand to ask another (strange and likely already answered) question:

 

Do you plan on integrating "history" books?

So when you're halfway through the story your character begins researching on the old traditions of the elves, their lineage system and stuff and when he or she is an elf him-/herself he might even find out that his/her ancestors did what you are planning to do right now, thus finding a way to "legitimise" those thoughts not only for him-/herself but also for his/her significant other who might be a bit reluctant at first/not sure if that's (al)right.

 

And again, if I just asked an already answered question, one may please ignore this post.

[eriberri]

But justifying the incest, or making it morally acceptable, would totally ruin the taboo nature of the mod, and the thrill along with it.

 

It already took us a while to figure out a way to make it taboo/forbidden for the Dunmer and Altmer elves, as both of their cultures permit incest. But we managed it in the end.

 

EDIT: also, the reluctance that your love interest show - due to the forbidden nature of your relationship - will be a common hang-up for any family member, with the exception of the aunt/uncle who will actively pursue the pc (although their romances are anything but straight-forward). The reluctance is part of the fun; the thrill of the chase.

[The Lord]

But justifying the incest, or making it morally acceptable, would totally ruin the taboo nature of the mod, and the thrill along with it.

 

Just because you think something is right or acceptable doesn't make it right or acceptable for the rest and all you have to fear in the case of incest is the community (and your children maybe) and what I meant was justifying it for yourself and your significant other not the whole population of Skyrim * .

It would be quite a bad life, thinking that you are doing something totally wrong and an internally broken character will be the result (eventually).

If your goal is a "bad end" that route is fine of course, but I don't think your character's overall well-being or sanity should be sacrificed for the taboo feeling and the thrill.

In the end it might be better if you get the thrill from the outside and not from your inside, though I guess that's up for everyone (him- or herself) to decide.

 

*Oh yeah, just another thing that came into my mind there:

Reestablishing incest as a common and acceptable practice in the whole of Skyrim, giving your family peace and security, might make a good end-game goal, though that might be a bit over the top and hard to produce, so just a thought.*

[eriberri]

To start with, let me deal with the last thing you mentioned, because personal acceptance [of incest] does morally hinge on social acceptance to quite an extent, so it needs to be addressed.

 

Firstly, 'reestablishing incest as a common & acceptable practice in the whole of Skyrim' is suggesting that it was ever acceptable in the first place, which it wasn't.

 

Secondly, that concept would be the single most unrealistic, and selfish, expectation of everyone living in Skyrim - the belief that everything should revolve around what the pc sees as being right (which, incidentally, he/she doesn't; he/she knows it's not considered 'right', but love is love, and sometimes you simply can't help who you fall for).

 

The taboo nature of incest, and the condemnation of it, is deeply imbedded in the history of most cultures, and for very good reason. That is, in its most factual and clear sense, that incest involves sexual intercourse between two people who share almost the same DNA, and naturally - and especially in Tamriel (where birth control is probably restricted to what magic/tinctures can possibly provide, which in many cases poorer people would never be able to afford or have ready access to) - this can lead to impregnation, a baby, etc etc.

Long-term, children born from such a union (even if they were lucky to have no physical deformities) would almost always have some abnormalities within their DNA and as a result of the continued practice, the population would degenerate. In short, they'd be ensuring their own extinction - sooner rather then later.

Then there are the extensive moral implications of incest added to it. I won't go into everything that covers, as it would take forever and it's something you can research yourself.

So to expect Skyrim to look past something so deeply ingrained, just because it's convenient for the pc, would be madness.

 

What you're searching for for your pc is an acceptance that you will simply never get. That is reality. It's likely that the greatest acceptance you'll ever achieve with the relationship is between your LI and yourself, and that is through the simple fact that love is love. What are you willing to do for your love? What constitutes as happiness?

Sacrifices are made in every relationship, and while most will only be small and quickly adapted to, some will be life-changing. This sacrifice will be one of the life-changing ones.

 

And 'happy ending' will be subjective. There will be options, but don't expect something from a fairy-tale. We have always been committed to bringing a very real, lore-driven experience.

 

Lastly, let me make it perfectly clear that this mod is not a dark atmosphere mod.

Despite the seriousness of my little speech above, you will probably not be left with a sick, unfulfilled feeling by the end (unless you're dreaming of ponies, fairy-floss and rainbows). The mod deals with the moral, social and emotional implications that arises from this taboo, but it will do so in such a way that is not boring, and not as dark as it may suggest.

Of course, there will be dark moments - we are catering to a pretty wide audience (some of whom have a taste for it), and as well as this it would be foolish and unrealistic to imagine that this concept wouldn't raise the occasional serious issue.

 

Anyway, that's all I have to say on the matter for now. Hopefully it will have appeased you. If not, well, you'll just have to be content with what we do release; either play, or don't.

 

EDIT: Oh, and I'm grateful for you having breached the subject, I'm sure other people probably wondered about this at some point, too. So thank you.

[The Lord]

To start with, let me deal with the last thing you mentioned, because personal acceptance [of incest] does morally hinge on social acceptance to quite an extent, so it needs to be addressed.

 

Firstly, 'reestablishing incest as a common & acceptable practice in the whole of Skyrim' is suggesting that it was ever acceptable in the first place, which it wasn't.

 

Secondly, that concept would be the single most unrealistic, and selfish, expectation of everyone living in Skyrim - the belief that everything should revolve around what the pc sees as being right (which, incidentally, he/she doesn't; he/she knows it's not considered 'right', but love is love, and sometimes you simply can't help who you fall for).

 

The taboo nature of incest, and the condemnation of it, is deeply imbedded in the history of most cultures, and for very good reason. That is, in its most factual and clear sense, that incest involves sexual intercourse between two people who share almost the same DNA, and naturally - and especially in Tamriel (where birth control is probably restricted to what magic/tinctures can possibly provide, which in many cases poorer people would never be able to afford or have ready access to) - this can lead to impregnation, a baby, etc etc.

Long-term, children born from such a union (even if they were lucky to have no physical deformities) would almost always have some abnormalities within their DNA and as a result of the continued practice, the population would degenerate. In short, they'd be ensuring their own extinction - sooner rather then later.

Then there are the extensive moral implications of incest added to it. I won't go into everything that covers, as it would take forever and it's something you can research yourself.

So to expect Skyrim to look past something so deeply ingrained, just because it's convenient for the pc, would be madness.

 

What you're searching for for your pc is an acceptance that you will simply never get. That is reality. It's likely that the greatest acceptance you'll ever achieve with the relationship is between your LI and yourself, and that is through the simple fact that love is love. What are you willing to do for your love? What constitutes as happiness?

Sacrifices are made in every relationship, and while most will only be small and quickly adapted to, some will be life-changing. This sacrifice will be one of the life-changing ones.

 

And 'happy ending' will be subjective. There will be options, but don't expect something from a fairy-tale. We have always been committed to bringing a very real, lore-driven experience.

 

Lastly, let me make it perfectly clear that this mod is not a dark atmosphere mod.

Despite the seriousness of my little speech above, you will probably not be left with a sick, unfulfilled feeling by the end (unless you're dreaming of ponies, fairy-floss and rainbows). The mod deals with the moral, social and emotional implications that arises from this taboo, but it will do so in such a way that is not boring, and not as dark as it may suggest.

Of course, there will be dark moments - we are catering to a pretty wide audience (some of whom have a taste for it), and as well as this it would be foolish and unrealistic to imagine that this concept wouldn't raise the occasional serious issue.

 

Anyway, that's all I have to say on the matter for now. Hopefully it will have appeased you. If not, well, you'll just have to be content with what we do release; either play, or don't.

 

EDIT: Oh, and I'm grateful for you having breached the subject, I'm sure other people probably wondered about this at some point, too. So thank you.

 

Hm, seems like my choice of words led to some misunderstandings here.

 

Regarding your middle section:

I am perfectly aware of the history of humanity, its traditions (which covers the refusal of icest) and such, it was just a thought.

You're the dragonborn afterall, the closest thing to a demigod or great hero and since Skyrim "owes" you quite a lot, they would certainly let you get through with it, even though they clearly would not like it.

(And "reestablish" was clearly not the word I should have used or wanted to use in that context.)

 

Regarding the rest:

I am afraid we will get into personal opinion and values here and I don't think it is in our interest to go any deeper.

Let's just make a note here, while my point is simply consolidating your life around the fact that you are attracted to a member of your family, yours is the taboo feeling and the kick you get from it, both are completely fine, just wanted to share my thoughts on the point that you are focussing quite heavily on this "breaking the rules" thing (at least from what I read about the mod).

[eriberri]

You're the dragonborn afterall, the closest thing to a demigod or great hero and since Skyrim "owes" you quite a lot, they would certainly let you get through with it, even though they clearly would not like it.

No matter how powerful someone is, if their actions are this selfish and detrimental to the populace as a whole, it's only a matter of time before they're brought down for it. There are countless examples of this - power-hungry individuals who impose their will with an iron fist, and few have a happy ending. Long before it's over, provinces beyond Skyrim would be involved in the matter too, proving that lack of foresight leads to disaster, and no matter how powerful the pc is, he/she would be utterly overwhelmed.

 

Edit to add: As well as this, forcing your will on the populace, and drawing attention to the taboo issue, will not ensure your family can live in security and peace (as you suggested earlier); if anything, it would do just the opposite. If you steamroll over a cultures deep-rooted beliefs like that (also endangering Skyrim's future), who do you think the angry mobs and assassins are going to come after for revenge? Not you (well, at some point they will), but those closest to you. They'd live in fear, and few of them can fight as you do so they wouldn't last long. Furthermore, the rest of your family would not necessarily support your beliefs either (besides Dunmer & Altmer) because most of them disapprove of incest as well, and if your love interest happens to be your mother or father, then your other parent will definitely not support you (considering you stole their partner).

So don't imagine for one second that this will lead to any sort of good/happy ending, unless fear, paranoia and the possible death of your entire family is your idea of a good ending.

 

In light of the repercussions of such an act, I think far more people taking part in incestuous relationships would prefer to keep it secret, moving to a place where nobody knows who they are if they want to openly love one another, and in doing so find a much better assurance of safety.

 

But let's just leave it there for now.

 

Btw, as it stands now our mod won't necessarily acknowledge that the pc is Dragonborn. This is so that players have the option to play an alternative life, unrelated the the main storyline of the game, should they choose.

 

Let's just make a note here, while my point is simply consolidating your life around the fact that you are attracted to a member of your family, yours is the taboo feeling and the kick you get from it, both are completely fine, just wanted to share my thoughts on the point that you are focussing quite heavily on this "breaking the rules" thing (at least from what I read about the mod).

Actually, mine is a healthy mix of both aspects. The pc will also struggle with their attraction for quite a time, but love and attraction are powerful driving forces.

 

I am not so foolish as to base my love of the incest concept purely on the 'forbidden' nature of it (though of course that is a huge portion; it's a primary reason why most people are drawn to incest: wanting what they can't have). It's also because I love the complexity of the relationship; a love that you may have to struggle with and/or for through all the obstacles thrown in your way (both physical and mental). As a writer the challenge of it fascinates me.

This is not a shallow sex mod; the sheer amount of depth to it will prove a huge amount of work for us, but it's something we're willing to do because of what it will mean for the eventual outcome.

 

EDIT: Also, we work on this mod in our own private thread (which is already huge - at the time of writing this it has 493 posts), and there are many things we discuss there on a daily basis that are not yet mentioned here, primarily because we want the mod to have lots of surprises for the player. Many ideas and suggestions people have made in this thread have already been discussed there; but we're always on the lookout for more.

 

Anyway, that's enough seriousness for now.

[Vulon]

Personal/societal acceptance of the practice of incest would take a lot of the fun out of the experience. Of course, opinions and expectations will vary, but that forbidden allure is crucial to this project. Furthermore, I think the majority of people who find the fantasy of incest interesting are attracted to it because of that exact element of taboo. Just as eri said, my own fascination with the fantasy isn't solely based on the fact that it's 'forbidden'. There are certainly other factors that come into play that spark my interest and arousal. It's a great many things, really, though the forbidden aspect tinges each and every one of those subsequent aspects with a certain appeal that, in my opinion, just wouldn't feel the same if it was deemed acceptable behavior. There's a turmoil and desperation of sorts inherent to the concept; something 'dirty' and 'wrong', yet, for all its 'depravity', complex and often beautiful. Haha, I dunno, that's my take on it. 

 

EDIT - One thing I forgot to address :

 

You're the dragonborn afterall, the closest thing to a demigod or great hero and since Skyrim "owes" you quite a lot, they would certainly let you get through with it, even though they clearly would not like it.

 

The thing is, not all players want to be identified as Dragonborn. I often choose to ignore the main quest entirely, starting off my adventures with an alternate start mod and roleplaying my way through the game as someone else entirely. So, that's certainly something to be mindful of. 

[WaxenFigure]

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The thing is, not all players want to be identified as Dragonborn. I often choose to ignore the main quest entirely, starting off my adventures with an alternate start mod and roleplaying my way through the game as someone else entirely. So, that's certainly something to be mindful of.

I have one character now reaching level 39 that has still not started the main quest or slain a dragon.

[deltadeath93]

suggestion for an optional part of mod  for us with  our own house mods and  estate mods. i have several. one that turns  2 hearthfire homes into  estates and castle keeps  with stone  walls guards etc. i also  have the aspen manor house mod. and the multiple adoptions mod  installed.  now reason  i mention these is the mutiple adoptions mod has a feature. where by you  enter your mod home cast the bless home spell and it becomes one of your default homes.

so you can tell your spouce n kids to move to said moded home. adding such a feature even if you get mod  permission for use  would be beneficial i think. as  we  can use  it to have our family living in one of our  own estates  we like  or built. complete with guards etc to prevent  family members death due to random dragon attacks. instead of  using a farm house  and adding yet another home to our already extensive lists of homes.

you could even add a % factor to the you get caught portion of your mod based on what home and location you are using.  say one of my hired guards that came with my house mod is the blackmailer  or tells dad im banging mom or vice versa etc. or just have said  mod home for yourselves and family and percentage drops of being found out based on  it.  i have 3 charecters all own the bathing bueauties luxury suite and  it generates mone for all my charecters  while im out adventuring. i have 4 houses proudspire  lakeview hearthfire  and the hearthfire home near solitude. both  i use mods with  adding walls and guards the one near solitude has a full keep farm  and garrison of  soldiers. and the aspen manor house that has full farming fishing crafting  the works  and its near riften. then the fourth is  levelers tower mod  i use for the cheats  and it also has  everything needed  in the game complete with jail torture chamber  etc  thats not mentioning   the standard housing you can buy in game and reward homes  for say  being leader of  companions  or thieves guild or  mages guild etc. adding yet another home  to me   is a waste of time and scripting that could be used elsewhere. just my  thoughts hope they help.

 

ps about daedra interfering for custom races.  id go with sanguine the lord of debauchery  instead of  lord of madness. i mean  you cant get more into debauchery than commiting incest. granted it can lead to your offspring (if one  is using  hentais pregnancy mod like i am) to be born  with some sort of madness. but the act its self is  lust driven and more  sanguines area  than  sheo's. hell its even more dibella's area than it would be  sheo's lol

[Kain82]

suggestion for an optional part of mod  for us with  our own house mods and  estate mods. i have several. one that turns  2 hearthfire homes into  estates and castle keeps  with stone  walls guards etc. i also  have the aspen manor house mod. and the multiple adoptions mod  installed.  now reason  i mention these is the mutiple adoptions mod has a feature. where by you  enter your mod home cast the bless home spell and it becomes one of your default homes.

so you can tell your spouce n kids to move to said moded home. adding such a feature even if you get mod  permission for use  would be beneficial i think. as  we  can use  it to have our family living in one of our  own estates  we like  or built. complete with guards etc to prevent  family members death due to random dragon attacks. instead of  using a farm house  and adding yet another home to our already extensive lists of homes.

you could even add a % factor to the you get caught portion of your mod based on what home and location you are using.  say one of my hired guards that came with my house mod is the blackmailer  or tells dad im banging mom or vice versa etc. or just have said  mod home for yourselves and family and percentage drops of being found out based on  it.  i have 3 charecters all own the bathing bueauties luxury suite and  it generates mone for all my charecters  while im out adventuring. i have 4 houses proudspire  lakeview hearthfire  and the hearthfire home near solitude. both  i use mods with  adding walls and guards the one near solitude has a full keep farm  and garrison of  soldiers. and the aspen manor house that has full farming fishing crafting  the works  and its near riften. then the fourth is  levelers tower mod  i use for the cheats  and it also has  everything needed  in the game complete with jail torture chamber  etc  thats not mentioning   the standard housing you can buy in game and reward homes  for say  being leader of  companions  or thieves guild or  mages guild etc. adding yet another home  to me   is a waste of time and scripting that could be used elsewhere. just my  thoughts hope they help.

 

ps about daedra interfering for custom races.  id go with sanguine the lord of debauchery  instead of  lord of madness. i mean  you cant get more into debauchery than commiting incest. granted it can lead to your offspring (if one  is using  hentais pregnancy mod like i am) to be born  with some sort of madness. but the act its self is  lust driven and more  sanguines area  than  sheo's. hell its even more dibella's area than it would be  sheo's lol

This is a good idea.  But the Family Manor has an over arcing quest, that involves discovering the secrets of it's previous owner.  

 

As for Daedra, right now Sanguine and Molag Bal are the popular ones amongst the team.  Also Dibella will play a major part, in the history of the house.

[Jexsam]

Molag Bal? Daedric prince of domination and enslavement? King of Rape? Harvester of Souls? That Molag Bal?

 

Actually that makes perfect sense for a decidedly dark path option for the quest.