nonusnomeni Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 ugh you talk to much you make me brain hurt we like simple and easy me like stronk uman and weak alien ugh
Guest Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 i believe [intelligent lifeforms from other celestial bodies] "aliens" look just like us act like us had civilizational progresses like us had dinosaurs have pets do the sex know how to party get cancer like dank memes have an economy have internet have many laws have countries [im serious as fuckin fuck] and most importantly are not little grey faggots that have fingers too big for their palms and look just like every other member of their species or bestial creatures with talons, fangs, & tentacles
Jazzman Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 You guys are jokin', right? After some 80 years of unanswered radio signals unconsciously sent out into space at the speed of light by man, scientists calculate just one spacefaring civilization in the Milky Way, one galaxy out of billions in the cosmos that has overcome the critical point, the huge gap between social and technological development - not to blow themselves up in a cataclysmic nuclear event that is. Looking at the international news, I'd reduce the number carefully to zero though. Having said that, the number of not yet spacefaring civilizations must be gigantic in our galaxy alone, at least if we look at the number of Earth-like planets already discovered. Problem is, they are all out of reach. Thanks to the gods of the myths, some say, for otherwise they might as well be dead already. And no, government officials usually do not think, they just repeat by command what they were told by big money. In this way I pretty much understand the nonsense they produce for our taxes on a regular basis. Their name is Pinocchio, if you know what I mean.
winny257 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 You guys are jokin', right? After some 80 years of unanswered radio signals unconsciously sent out into space at the speed of light by man, scientists calculate just one spacefaring civilization in the Milky Way, one galaxy out of billions in the cosmos that has overcome the critical point, the huge gap between social and technological development - not to blow themselves up in a cataclysmic nuclear event that is. Looking at the international news, I'd reduce the number carefully to zero though. Having said that, the number of not yet spacefaring civilizations must be gigantic in our galaxy alone, at least if we look at the number of Earth-like planets already discovered. Problem is, they are all out of reach. Thanks to the gods of the myths, some say, for otherwise they might as well be dead already. And no, government officials usually do not think, they just repeat by command what they were told by big money. It this way I pretty much understand the nonsense they produce for our taxes on a regular basis. Their name is Pinocchio, if you know what I mean. that is but so in every country, not just in the US, all politicians to poop also only Shit. and yes, I believe that there is extraterrestrial life gives! As long as no one proves to me the opposite, I represent this point of view.
Jazzman Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 that is but so in every country, not just in the US, all politicians to poop also only Shit. and yes, I believe that there is extraterrestrial life gives! As long as no one proves to me the opposite, I represent this point of view. Wherever there is an Earth-like planet of a certain age there is also life, that's inevitable. And there are many in our galaxy, far more than originally expected. One would find species that live from the land and the sea and others that prey on them. That we know from the fossil record before and after the Great Permian extinction. The battle for survival will never change, totally different, unrelated species will occupy the very same niches, one after the other. Are there bipedal species out there that resemble us, cousins in space? Probably not. But are there species out there that resemble us in everything but our looks? Most likely. Intelligent life? Of course, but if you'd meet one of those in the local metro you'd probably leave the train in a hurry already before the next station. The looks of an intelligent alien simply go beyond all imagination, and that's why SF somewhat helplessly tends to represent them as humanoids of sorts, folks in our image that talk to man. Man, man never changes. He's still sitting at the lonely campfire in the green Neanderthal valley, a lone, curious wolf looking at the many celestial campfires out there in the night sky, guessing what his apparently wealthy cousins there might have that he has not, not yet. So the discoverer was born, the conqueror, ready to leave home tree and to do battle in hostile territories that might be on his way to reach the goal - better pastures, more wildlife, more gold, more oil... just more.
winny257 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 that is but so in every country, not just in the US, all politicians to poop also only Shit. and yes, I believe that there is extraterrestrial life gives! As long as no one proves to me the opposite, I represent this point of view. Wherever there is an Earth-like planet of a certain age there is also life, that's inevitable. And there are many in our galaxy, far more than originally expected. One would find species that live from the land and the sea and others that prey on them. That we know from the fossil record before and after the Great Permian extinction. The battle for survival will never change, totally different, unrelated species will occupy the very same niches, one after the other. Are there bipedal species out there that resemble us, cousins in space? Probably not. But are there species out there that resemble us in everything but our looks? Most likely. Intelligent life? Of course, but if you'd meet one of those in the local metro you'd probably leave the train in a hurry already before the next station. The looks of an intelligent alien simply goes beyond all imagination, and that's why SF somewhat helplessly tends to represent them as humanoids of sorts, folks in our image that talk to man. Jazzman You always write so much, then gets my translator that cough. With most people it is so, What they do not know Must be destroyed, I do not know what would happen If an alien would reveal itself, I guess they would kill him. when me an alien to encounter would, then I would not be afraid (Because fear is what destroys) but I would have great respect.
PsychoMachina Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Reasons why we do not have irrefutable proof that aliens exist is because we humans are an annoying, intrusive species and they rather keep their distance while keeping a close eye on us. Hey, aliens just want to have fun.
winny257 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Hey, aliens just want to have fun. Ha, not always!
PsychoMachina Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Hey, aliens just want to have fun. Ha, not always! You just proved my point, fun for them.
Myst42 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Some "scientiists" are so full of shit. Faggots believe they know everything and there's no more mysteries left in the universe to be discovered. That's exactly the kind of attitude that stops humanity from progress That's exactly the kind of thing that happened in the middle ages where pple were sure of what they thought to be the absolute and final truth and sent good, visionary intelligent thinking men and women to burn at the stake. And why does everyone assume that if an alien race exists, their culture and values are they same as humans? They assume they're self destructive, egotistic and that the ONLY natural way of evolution for a civilization, ends when they get da nuke powah? Has anyone ever considered that there might be other ways to harvest energy that could either be alternative or a further step up the ladder? Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, we dont know everything there is to know about all energy sources? Just because humans have nukes, doesnt mean nukes are the only form of higher energy out there. And I'm saying this because if any of the theories are correct, it means that another way of understanding the universe is needed to travel across the stars. Nuclear energy and linear understanding can only get us a few planets away right now. And just because it's very possible that the "human" model is likely to happen in intelligent lifeforms, doesnt mean they have the exact same culture. Civilizations develop at different rates and are proven, even on earth, to have different features and moral values... yes I know edgy edgers hate the word "morals" but guess what, they exist. That's why we dont have people killing and raping each other on the streets. Deal with it. I would believe also that it's very unlikely for races to encounter each other. But with all the mythology out there it's getting difficult to think otherwise. Tales of angels, gods, and pple coming down from the stars in antiquity, and tales of encounters literally everywhere in the present. Evidence can ALWAYS be dismissed by unscrupulous hands. Because anything can be accused of being a lie. With enough montage skills some can believe anything I can test that theory. A next post can accuse me of being a liar and that could make a valid argument. Unless an alien manifestation is global, we'll always be on that "but there's no irrefutable evidence" point. Because even then, there can be skeptics who argue that "it's not the aliens, it's an ellaborate government conspiracy using holographic technology" or something... Look at WW2 and the "Holocaust" Most people in the world believe it is true and it happened, the there is a current of people who thinks it's a Jew conspiracy and all of it is a lie... mostly edy edgers and nazi fanboys Same happens with thhe roundness of the earth where some people say it's not round it's actually flat And their argument? Have you ever seen it? How can you say it happened if you werent there? All you know is what you've been told What if all of it is a lie? With enough skill anyone can say anything on the internet So "irrefutable evidence" is already out there, if you choose to believe so. But what the heck do I know? They could be liars too but for some reason I rather believe them than the skeptics.
Jazzman Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Jazzman You always write so much, then gets my translator that cough. With most people it is so, What they do not know Must be destroyed, I do not know what would happen If an alien would reveal itself, I guess they would kill him. when me an alien to encounter would, then I would not be afraid (Because fear is what destroys) but I would have great respect. Well, normally I don't go for chit-chat, but sometimes even a moron like me has something to say. Maybe you're right and man kills everything he does not understand or perhaps doesn't even want to. If I were an alien scout I'd probably go to Hell for some R & R after a tour on Earth. Yup. Have fun.
Yotix Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 I always failed to understand why the possibility of extraterrestial intelligence seems so far fetched to some. Physics. And no, I'm not religious at all; it's just that no one has found even a theoretical way around the General Theory of Relativity yet. (Unless you count ideas such as the Alcubierre drive, "moving space around the ship", which some science mags basically claimed would be built soon ... only to get it working, we'd probably need to create exotic particles of a kind never observed before, and need to spend about as much energy as is stored in our sun.) So if something's 500 light years away, we need a minimum of say 600 years to get there. (Accelerating even at 3 G it would take ages to get close to light speed, and you'd want to brake at some point too.) Human societies and achievents don't last long ... a human "generation" is usually around 30 years. If we send out a space ship now - how many humans will even know about it in 100 years? In 200 years? ... and the Milky Way alone is several Hundred Thousand light years across. If something's gonna visit us from that far away, they need to be able to harness all their sun's energy and use it to propel starships. We'd be able to see it iif someone did that to their star. So far, all we've seen is dust. Probabilities. There's a fairly complex formula that was developed in the 1960s. It basically takes a number of guesses: the number of stars in the galaxy the likelihood that a star has one or more planets the likelihood for a planet to be in the zone where there is liquid water so life can evolve, the chance for life to evolve intelligence and tool use and so on (not a very frequent occurrence apparently, we're among the first on this planet.) the longevity of a civilization of intelligent, tool using beings (how long does a civilization last until it crumbles? Ancient Egypt managed around 3000 years, Rome around 500 years AFAIK, China a bit over 2500? The Industrial Age may be killing our planet; but many humans prefer to listen to morons who basically claim Global Warming can't happen unless Gawd says so.) So even if there's a couple of Thousand habitable planets around nearby stars, there's a large chance that any intelligent life on them is either still evolving, or has already blown itself to smithereens, or managed to make their planet uninhabitable (through greenhouse effect, radiation or whatever) History of the Universe The Milky Way was one of the earlier spiral galaxies to develop. The sun - created when a cloud of dust, mostly Hydrogen, was partly compressed by shock waves from a supermova - was one of the first suns created from dust with enough other matter (iron, silicon, all the stuff that's made inside suns ) to create rocky planets like Earth, Mars and Venus. So we're on one of the earliest rocky planets, travelling with one of the oldest suns that can have planets. All those stories of aliens having explored the cosmos and seeded it with life? That's probably us, or what we'd like to be, since we're likely among the first intelligent life forms in this universe.
Zor2k13 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 The topic of aliens discussed by the guuuberment is only brought out when they want to distract people from something crooked or corrupt they are doing just look at recent history for this kind of example. As for aliens actually existing who knows? Without the ability to travel faster than the speed of light we or they will never meet each other so we will never know. I seriously doubt we will ever achieve such a level of technology we are too busy repeating the mistakes of the past over and over which is our nature.
Myst42 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Exactly (I guess..) "Cant travel in space because Relativity" That's what I meant with "linear understanding" in a way. If we are considering star travel, we need to ditch old notions of space and energy that ain't gonna get us there. I'm no physicist but the rumors I've seen that make sense, talk about quantum mechanics, teleportation and/or wormholes and moving space instead of things. And the energy sources sound more like cold fusion or dark matter or whatever, I know not more of that... but again, nuclear energy can only get us so far in a linear space. If the rules don't let you play the game anymore, either you break the rules or change the game. "Short society lifespan" I think some mainstream archaeologists are also full of crap. They forced their theories to fit their own views which were radically skeptical back in the day. The academic ego got in the way of acknowledging that they didn't have all the answers, but the explanations settled in and became dogma in mainstream history. One of these dogmas, relates to the 3000 lifespan (??) or so of Egypt and other civs, while alternate researchers have claimed to have evidence of new data that calculate the true lifespan of some ancient cultures as 15000 years and you dont even want to know how long they said the sumerians lasted. Old books also speak of an "older humanity" before the deluge that also predates mainstream history by far. My belief is that ancient humans were not idiots, therefore whatever stuff they wrote on their myths, they must have seen something. Ofc, mainstream archaeologist call bullshit on alternate ones and both sides say the other one lies and thus an understanding is impossible. Someone must be lying, but who? Mainstream pple? Alternate researchers? Ancient writings? I have no way of being sure. Ancient civs aside, I take our own global civilization We've been waiting for the apocalypse for over a 1000 years and it still doesn't happen. We have nukes, we have a zombie virus probably in the making, we have pple working on AI systems, we have ebola, we have giant volcanoes, sun flares, electromagnetic pulses, possibility of meteor strikes etc etc etc... And we're still here. Why? I ask. I'm beginning to think that to this whole "civilizations are self destructive" idea there is a variable that ensures survival that has not been integrated to the equation yet. And yes, I agree to that thought that maybe we could be the oldest civilization in the galaxy, repeating our cycle of seeding and moving across planets. it's also a very probable idea.
Guest Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 why would aliens come to earth? that would be stupid as heck (hell+fuck=heck)
Guest Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 why --- To enslave us and take our resources? but aliens can build spaceships and theyre tech would be advanced af--it would be stupid to go door to door themselves. the smart thing would be to send (inferior) biological beings they made in a lab that would carry out their orders without second guessing what theyre told to do (and being incapable to an extent thinking for themselves). also said (inferior) lab made beings would be sent out as intor-gelactic emissaries. either that or send trusty AI based androids as emissaries instead risking life and limb. plus intergalactic travel for resources is economically retarded bc the travel would anal fist (and rosebud) scarcity--the economic law that states their are only X amount of resources (economics and resources go hand in hand like right hands and fapping) and i love fapping
Zor2k13 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 To travel so far just to get the resources of one planet makes no sense and anything that has figured out how to travel faster than the speed of light would not need our resources anyway. The universe is just too big for that kind of thinking.
Myst42 Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Or, you could ask US government officials. But I'm not sure they're trustworthy...
Jazzman Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Technological progress inevitably leads (among others) to the development of AI. I'd thus expect robots in an alien spaceship on site w/o years of communication and mutual agreement beforehand, thus hardly an explorer, rather a military scout. Remember, flying with the speed of light is one thing, the massive time required for acceleration to and deceleration from c is quite another matter, and that goes for any biological life with limited life span. Cryo tanks are inefficient compared to AI as long... as long as we are not dealing with an Exodus flotilla from a dying sun system searching for a new home planet or colonists from an overcrowded system. That'd mean war, a war we cannot win, or do you perhaps believe in Hollywood? Hmmh...
Guest Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-1l0lXR_UI I didn't know what all the acronyms meant so I went off googling ZPE OK This browser sucks at pasting stuff, so it basically is a youtube video explaining how the little men on a vibrating game can move around, and how materials can act as batteries (Like on "Gilligan's Island") Here's the part where I pull facts from my butt and pretend to know why physics is alien in nature... Uh, Humans since history started being recorded are convinced someone is watching them I'm totally convinced someone is watching me, though a hole in the wall (or a fancy camera). If aliens exist and if government officials (Because they think with a hive-mind, dontcha know) believe in them, great, but after all my minutes of research, I did not see the connection between zero-point energy and alien (space craft).
Guest Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 What if the supposed aliens were conquerors and want to take over the planet? Or better yet, the entire galaxy for themselves? And since conjecture is all we have to go on: we can only guess, as human beings, what their intentions would be. that might be a reason but we have found so many planets in the habitable zone with the hobble telescope I am not sure why the aliens would need an earth thats already heavily populated and would probably be damaged after the war they have to wage to capture it (which we would probably use nuke for at which point all they get is a waste land). Its much more practical to colonize uninhabited planets by intelligent species. Besides Earth is pretty small most planets we find are slightly to significantly larger than earth.
Yotix Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 Exactly (I guess..) "Cant travel in space because Relativity" That's what I meant with "linear understanding" in a way. If we are considering star travel, we need to ditch old notions of space and energy that ain't gonna get us there. I'm no physicist but the rumors I've seen that make sense, talk about quantum mechanics, teleportation and/or wormholes and moving space instead of things. And the energy sources sound more like cold fusion or dark matter or whatever, I know not more of that... but again, nuclear energy can only get us so far in a linear space. If the rules don't let you play the game anymore, either you break the rules or change the game. "Short society lifespan" I think some mainstream archaeologists are also full of crap. They forced their theories to fit their own views which were radically skeptical back in the day. The academic ego got in the way of acknowledging that they didn't have all the answers, but the explanations settled in and became dogma in mainstream history. One of these dogmas, relates to the 3000 lifespan (??) or so of Egypt and other civs, while alternate researchers have claimed to have evidence of new data that calculate the true lifespan of some ancient cultures as 15000 years and you dont even want to know how long they said the sumerians lasted. Old books also speak of an "older humanity" before the deluge that also predates mainstream history by far. My belief is that ancient humans were not idiots, therefore whatever stuff they wrote on their myths, they must have seen something. Ofc, mainstream archaeologist call bullshit on alternate ones and both sides say the other one lies and thus an understanding is impossible. Someone must be lying, but who? Mainstream pple? Alternate researchers? Ancient writings? I have no way of being sure. (...) So there's Hundreds of Thousands of scientists world-wide, cooperating and fiercely competing to provide the best possible knowledge of the world, using such methods as radio carbon dating and so on. And you take a look and go like "Nah, I'll ignore them because I want to believe that I'm super-smart and important and know better than them." That's arrogant and delusional, no better than - indeed the same mechanism of lying to yourself as - religious people who decide to hide from the harsh reality of life by believing in mumbo jumbo about an afterlife and bearded men in the skies. And the claim that you have "no way of being sure" who is correct, given the choice between a bunch of lunatics with Youtube channels who make up bullshit about Ancient Egypt, and all the world's universities and their researchers, is either totally ridiculous or utterly stupid. You might just as well start believing that Sun Myong Moon is Jesus' latest reincarnation or that Ms. Merkel caused the Syrian Crisis in order to replace ethnic Germans with Africans on order of the Rothshilds or something.
Cynical Misanthrope Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 “Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” - Arthur C. Clarke
PsychoMachina Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 Some quotes by Albert Einstein. "The important thing is to not stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existence. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery each day." "It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure." "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." And in keeping with the topic (of sorts). "I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here." ― Arthur C. Clarke Which seems to go well with... "We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe." ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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