CTD in same spot near Riverwood (new game)

[herdustisverypretty]

I'm getting a CTD in the exact same spot every time, it's right past those two wolves on the way from the Guardian Stones to Riverwood, just where the path turns. 

 

It's a new game as well, all I've done is get out of alternate start (picked the camping in the woods option) and run straight to Riverwood. 

 

Load order:

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Skyrim Project Optimization - No Homes - Full Version.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp
Campfire.esm
CompanionArissa.esm
notice board.esp
RSkyrimChildren.esm
daymoyl.esm
MFVM.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
Extended UI.esp
FNIS.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
iHUD.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Skyrim Bigger Trees Full.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
3DNPC.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
SkyUI.esp
Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp
NightingaleArrows.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
manny_Status.esp
UsefulDogs.esp
ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
Clothing & Clutter_3DNPC_Patch.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
WetandCold.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp
The Shrines of Auriel.esp
Thieves Guild Redone.esp
Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
HarvestOverhaul.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
SoS - Civilization.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills Dawnguard.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills Dragonborn.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
ESFCompanions.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
Fort(ified) Dawnguard.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Mrissi.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp
Vivid Weathers.esp
PerkusMaximus_Master.esp
PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp
PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp
PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Nightingale Hall.esp
Immersive Citizens - RRR patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Inigo.esp
SeranaDialogEdit.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Cloaks.esp
Tentapalooza.esp
OMageReplacerPack.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
CFTO.esp
Frostfall.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
HarvestOverhaulCreatures.esp
RRR_3DNPC-Patch.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp
Elemental_Dragons.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
RavenNest_1.2.esp
Farm Animals_HF.esp
Craftable Horse Barding.esp
Better Vampires.esp
DawnguardArsenal.esp
SunRune.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
Wynter.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
gonkishvampdens.esp
CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp
MissingApprentices.esp
VampireHouse.esp
Hunterborn.esp
RWB - Realistic Wolf Behavior.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
FollowerLivePackage.esp
MIDFollowMeCloser.esp
Sneak Tools.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp
Nightingale Armor Face Mask.esp
TrueDeathImmortal.esp
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
Vampire's Underwater suffocation FIX 1.2.esp
PrinceandPauper.esp
Queen Freydis Sword.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
PerMa_USLEEP master patch.esp
Karliah.esp
Vex.esp
IB - All-in-One.esp
RND_AnimalLoot.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Vampire Lord Serana Fixed.esp
TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp
SAM - Shape Atlas for Men.esp
Pre PaMa CCF Wintermyst Patch.esp
Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp
Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items.esp
Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp
Tirashan.esp
PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
EliArrowCrafting.esp
KK_Lola_companion_wolfdog.esp
Violent_Alduin_Normal.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
Liberation Assassin Set.esp
a mod for Dunmer.esp
Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp
notice board - dragonborn patch.esp
SpellTomeResurrectDead.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
IMAGINATOR - MCMenu.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
SPOAsilverknight.esp
BloodthirstVampireFeeding.esp
SimplyKnock.esp
VLCollisionFix.esp
The Vampire Lord's Spellbook.esp
DawnguardDarkAlly.esp
DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp
Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp
Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp
RevampedExteriorFog.esp
IHSS.esp
DSerHorsesRevamped.esp
HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch.esp
PerkusMaximus_SimplyKnock.esp
Morrowind Soul Gems.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
Patch - Interesting NPCs - RS kids.esp
DawnguardArsenal_CCOR Compatibility Patch.esp
TKMN_MoreAdoptableChildren.esp
BuryTheDead.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
RSChildren_PatchHeightAdjustedRaces.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
Toccata as Elisif.esp
VioLens.esp
Serana.esp
NoAnimalsReportCrimes-DG+DB.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
conjure_chest.esp
CollegeDaysPermaPatch.esp
Order My Items.esp
FS_Skycutter.esp
Sapphire.esp
shao jun outfit.esp
Footprints.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
bm_SimpleAction.esp
MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
ISC PerMa Compatibility Patch.esp
ISC WAFR Patch.esp
ISCompendium Morrowind Soul Gems Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
ISC DeadlySpellImpacts Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
TrueEyes.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
ISCompendium Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp
SolstheimSkies.esp
SummerMushrooms.esp
SummerSolstheim.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
Smoking Candles.esp
Smoking Torches.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
Immersive Horses.esp
Hearthfire IHO Compatibility Patch.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
Brows.esp
[KijikoHair_MalePack].esp
RSChildren_NonPlayableOverride.esp
XPMSE.esp
SAM - Dawnguard Patch.esp
SAM - Moonlight Tales Essentials Patch.esp
azelfollower.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 1.esp
Pre PaMa WAFR Patch.esp
Nix's Merged Patch.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
PatchusMaximus.esp

 

 

That's the default LOOT sorted load order. I usually move a couple of the plugins around (Immersive Horses, Ordinary Women). 

 

Are any of these mods possibly causing this? Or is my load order wrong for the mods I'm using? I know LOOT isn't perfect at sorting when it comes to certain mods. 

 

Oh I feel it's worth noting, I've used about 95% of these mods before and never had a problem. In fact most of the new mods I'm using are non esp mods so I really don't know what the problem is. I'm guessing some sort of conflict that I'm unaware of.

[myuhinny]

Have you tried entering from a different direction? This is to see if it might be being caused by a person. If someone has a imcompatible skeleton the minute you enter their cell it'll cause you to CTD. You could also warp to whiterun or other place and see if it happens there as well.

 

You can also fire up TES5EDIT and click on the skyrim.esm and see what is altering riverwood.

[wulfgear09]

Also waiting a few days before heading there may respawn the area . I think 3 days is the time to wait .

[DUBALADO]

In my experience if a esp. this well done and is not compatible does not always produce crashes, simply does not work, the problem is the mesh, or corrupt textures that affect the place like armor or clothing , in some cases, the structures of buildings.
If you know the game well try to elucidate what were the last mods that may affect directly Riverwood, in principle, those who have .esp, and then everything affecting the place in general.
For example, in my experience, one of the replacements of the tunics of the mages was corrupt, and I do not detected until I was in the environs of Winterhold. Fortunately I was able to detect it and the game was restored.

[herdustisverypretty]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I'll try what you've all said and let you know if I can get it working.

[herdustisverypretty]

Ok so I tried a couple of things. First I removed JK's Skyrim because I wanted to try Dawn of Skyrim.

 

Then I checked in TES5Edit and saw that a few mods were changing Riverwood: Skyrim Bigger Trees, Interesting NPCs, Immersive Citizens, and Mrissi. I then removed Bigger Trees because it was kind of annoying me anyway. Interesting NPCs, Immersive Citizens, and Mrissi appear to be affecting something called FlowersIdleMarker. I don't really know what that means so I just left them for now.

 

Then I tested teleporting to Whiterun. That was fine, no crashes. So then I ran to Riverwood and went in from the Whiterun side. Also fine. Seemed to be working okay then, but now I've found that I crash every time I try to go into the Riverwood Trader.

 

I tried opening TES5Edit to see if anything was changing the trader but I can't find the ID?? The only IDs for Riverwood I can find are for the inn, Gerdur's house, Alvor's house, and Faendal's house. There doesn't appear to be a trader ID. I looked up the ID on the wiki but the RiverwoodRiverwoodTrader cell ID just doesn't appear to be in my Skyrim.esm. I don't know if that means anything? 

[DUBALADO]

Remove MissingApprentices.esp, Bijin Warmaidens.esp, Bijin Wives.esp, CompanionArissa.esm, and try again

[herdustisverypretty]

Remove MissingApprentices.esp, Bijin Warmaidens.esp, Bijin Wives.esp, CompanionArissa.esm, and try again

 

I removed these mods and it is still crashing at the Riverwood Trader. 

[herdustisverypretty]

So I tried teleporting into the trader with 'coc riverwoodriverwoodtrader' and that worked. It appears using the door to get in is bugged for me somehow. I'm thinking it's the dialogue that occurs between Lucan and Camilla when you first go in. Using the door to go out is fine, but every time I try to use it to go in, it crashes.

[yatol]

So I tried teleporting into the trader with 'coc riverwoodriverwoodtrader' and that worked. It appears using the door to get in is bugged for me somehow. I'm thinking it's the dialogue that occurs between Lucan and Camilla when you first go in. Using the door to go out is fine, but every time I try to use it to go in, it crashes.

 

you won't fix anything like that...

 

copy paste your mo profile in a test profile, without the saves (waste of time to try to fix a ctd if you don't use mo)

 

load the game with only skyrim.esm

coc qasmoke at game screen

then coc riverwood to check your ctd zone

 

if you still ctd, it's probably a nif ctd (fail textures that's a purple thing, fail scripts that's a freeze)

       uncheck all folders, and try again, if you still ctd, reinstall the game and don't install anything in

       skyrim folder this time

       if you no longer ctd, check back some folders try and repeat until ctd

       once you know the folder with fail file, either you get rid of it, either you try to find the file to get rid of it

 

if you no longer ctd, it's a conflict

       retry after checking some esp, until you ctd again

       once you know the ctd esp, check with only that esp

       if you still ctd, check the fucking readme, if you don't miss anything, just get rid of that fail mod

       if you no longer ctd, check back some esp until you ctd again

       mod is incompatible with another one, after finding it either you look for a patch, either you make

       it, either you get rid of one of those mods (if you don't know what you are doing, don't do anything)

[Nazzzgul666]

Something a bit faster than above and worth a try: check if something overwrites XMPSE and if so, put it at the end of your both load and install order, wrong skeletons can cause crashes. 

[herdustisverypretty]

Something a bit faster than above and worth a try: check if something overwrites XMPSE and if so, put it at the end of your both load and install order, wrong skeletons can cause crashes. 

 

Yes I think it had to do with skeletons. Possibly. Hopefully I get it figured out ^^;

[Nepro]

Sorry for necro reviving this thread but the alpha wolf from the more nasty critters contributed to this crash. Simply disabling this wolf via console will prevent the crash. I dunno why this wolf would cause a crash since there is no indication in the SSEDIT that it would crash because of this wolf.

 

e3DemoAlphaWolf "Alpha Wolf" [NPC_:0009931A]

Ref FORM: 00099319

[Grey Cloud]

2 hours ago, Nepro said:

alpha wolf from the more nasty critters contributed to this crash.

I use MNC (and always have done) and have never had a CTD in that place. I don't use CRF though (and never have).