Implications of lust

[DoctaSax]

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Also' date=' I'd like to encourage my fellow modders to include extra dialog, depending on lust, when/if it makes sense. An alternate line or two of dialog doesn't take long and makes a big difference for immersion.

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To make that a little easier, could the lust thread OP include a few code examples of checking for specific lust levels? Eg, at which point player desperation sets in, and the like?

 

Great news on the orgasms Does this mean lust tracking is expanded to more npc's, or is it a different system altogether?

 

Perks: "nympho" and "frigid" come to mind.

[KainsChylde]

Perks: "nympho" and "frigid" come to mind.

 

Nympho: Ever since puberty, you have always been a little overly interested in the topic of sex. Sometimes to the detriment of all else, including your own health.

(This perk would double your Lust increase speed/halve time to max lust, and bypass the restriction on loss of control during combat. Also perhaps cause a 5-10% chance of committing involuntary rape on anyone close enough of your preferred gender while at "desperate" or higher lust level)

 

Frigid: For whatever reason, be it sexual trauma at a young age, a chemical imbalance in the brain, or whatever, the idea of sex repulses you.

(Immunity to LustX, time to max lust double or quadruple default. No loss of control at any time, perhaps a tie in to Hookups adding an extra rejection dialogue.)

 

Perhaps traits at character creation instead of perks? Otherwise available at level 2. And maybe tie the Frigid perk to the rape lust loss, if you hit -50 lust or lower due to rape, you automatically get the frigid perk for a few days to a week.

[sen4mi]

Nympho sounds awful... perhaps even worse than realistic...

 

Also, these descriptions sound like character creation perks, and do not sound right for awarded perks?

[zippy57]

Perhaps traits at character creation instead of perks?

Also' date=' these descriptions sound like character creation perks, and do not sound right for awarded perks?[/quote']Normally, I'd agree with that seeing as those do seem more like "traits" than "perks". But I have to say "please don't do that" because I don't want to start another character...again... I've already restarted the game five or six times thanks to new mods adding content to sections I've just finished.

[KainsChylde]

Well, if memory serves the Sink Autodoc in Big MT offers a makeover where you can essentially remake your character, including traits and tag skills. So if they are made as traits instead of perks, you could always head on over to Big MT and see whats up.

[zippy57]

Seems unfair for those without the DLC.

[Chase Roxand]

Or I can have a message box pop up when you first start SexoutLust and let you pick a trait or two. Some of these will be perks, though. Acquired through leveling and in-game actions.

 

"Nympho" and "Frigid" won't work like you're suggesting, Kain. I have other plans.

[KainsChylde]

Ok, was just an idea. As I've said many a time before, I'm clueless to the making of mods. I just throw it out there, if it works awesome and if not, oh well.

[Halstrom]

Halstrom' date=' I'll be including an orgasm script that will replace the default Sexout timer. Should I have it go by SCR's "arousal" variables or would you rather add a new variable and have me use that? Could you also include an iIsEnslaved? And how are the "iPref" variables intended to work?

Oh, and all this might mean that some changes should be done to your pregnancy scripts.[/quote']

Cool stuff, no-one is using the Arousal variables, so they are yours to do as you please, I just don't have time to do what I planned to do "one day" what you are doing sounds like it in some way or form anyway. I'll add iIsEnslaved into it for you.

I have a counter system in SexStarted that I entended to use to modify the "iPref" variables dependant on orgasm, so everytime the Actor engaged in one of the types of Sex, whether by rape or not, their preference would add points for that type of sex, probably more points if they orgasmed, and more if it was consensual. So even if the Actor was Straight they could gradually turn completely Lesbian.

if they Orgasmed enough from sex with another Female. The iPref would effect the chances of Orgasm and resistance to Rape of that type and Lust induced choices. Similarly an actor could get addicted to Rape, Raping, Canine or Robots or Toys etc.

I'm happy if you want to take the counters into Lust to get better control of them and we just leave the variables in SCR.

[Chase Roxand]

So even if the Actor was Straight they could gradually turn completely Lesbian.

Uhh' date=' I'm not sure that anyone who is gay would approve of this.

 

 

Anyway, since this will probably screw up your entire orgasm system as-is, here's my plan:

 

Lust, toys, and clothing will increase arousal for both men and women. However, mens' arousal will also naturally decrease. Womens' can only rise, naturally. The arousal percentage will cap depending on equipment, perks, etc. By default, it won't pass 50% without having sex. During sex, both men and women will have their arousal levels rise, with mens' at a significantly faster rate. 100% means orgasm. If the man orgasms first, sex ends. If the woman orgasms first, sex might end. However, either party may pull out (the player may [i']try[/i], with an assigned key).

 

So I could tell my orgasm scripts to run your orgasm scripts, and you could have your scripts only run on their own when SexoutLust isn't present. However, I don't know how you have it all hooked up at the moment.

 

NPC-NPC sex will track orgasms too, but with less fancy scripts. Only the player and companions will get complex tracking.

[sen4mi]

Womens' can only rise' date=' naturally.

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???

 

Personally, if you have time to implement this, I would prefer a system which included several counters with some aggregate of the them being reported (in other words, their average, or sum or maximum, or minimum or whatever... I know I am being a pain, but I do not want to be too much of a pain...)

 

(The point being: sometimes you just do not feel sexy.)

[Chase Roxand]

I can make it go down, but it'll be a chore for female PCs to orgasm. And I don't know what exactly you're asking for with the counters.

[Halstrom]

So even if the Actor was Straight they could gradually turn completely Lesbian.

Uhh' date=' I'm not sure that anyone who is gay would approve of this.

 

Anyway, since this will probably screw up your entire orgasm system as-is, here's my plan:

 

Lust, toys, and clothing will increase arousal for both men and women. However, mens' arousal will also naturally decrease. Womens' can only rise, naturally. The arousal percentage will cap depending on equipment, perks, etc. By default, it won't pass 50% without having sex. During sex, both men and women will have their arousal levels rise, with mens' at a significantly faster rate. 100% means orgasm. If the man orgasms first, sex ends. If the woman orgasms first, sex might end. However, either party may pull out (the player may [i']try[/i], with an assigned key).

 

So I could tell my orgasm scripts to run your orgasm scripts, and you could have your scripts only run on their own when SexoutLust isn't present. However, I don't know how you have it all hooked up at the moment.

 

NPC-NPC sex will track orgasms too, but with less fancy scripts. Only the player and companions will get complex tracking.

 

Well maybe it's more like they would turn BiSexual with more Preference to Females rather than ever 100%completely Lesbian, we should probably have a slider that determines the ratio of effects. I'm thinking of a scenario of enslavement that forced the actors preferences to change so that their lust drove them to seek out that preference to sate their lust for that type of sex, and it took a while of less satisfying other sex to change that preference back.

 

Sounds like a great plan, I have no orgasm stuff written other than some sex messages, and probably never will get to it, so go for it and do it your way

 

I'll add it to the latest version of SCRAlphaTest today and drop that into the SCR thread, this means people can't use old versions of Pregnancy anymore if they run your next version of Lust, but hopefully I can get Pregnancy to Beta today and drop support for older versions.

 

Oh and see if you can add a debug message toggle too

[Chase Roxand]

How exactly are you adding semen and tracking pregnancy?

[sen4mi]

I can make it go down' date=' but it'll be a chore for female PCs to orgasm. And I don't know what exactly you're asking for with the counters.

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Ok, yes, many women have trouble reaching orgasm.

 

And you are right that I am not being precise about the counters.

 

I just meant: implement several concepts of lust (maybe a monthly concept, and maybe two or three orgasm based concepts, where each orgasm based concept has different rates, so they do not all go off together).

[Guest Loogie]

How exactly are you adding semen

 

Traditionally it's done with a penis.

[KainsChylde]

I just meant: implement several concepts of lust (maybe a monthly concept' date=' and maybe two or three orgasm based concepts, where each orgasm based concept has different rates, so they do not all go off together).

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I just had a random thought, inspired by this here. Mega orgasm. If Orgasm is controlled by multiple variables as suggested above, then there is a chance (however small) for multiple variables to trigger at the same time. Is there a way to reflect this, orgasm-wise? Perhaps a bump in fertility, an extra drop in lust or arousal, something like that?

 

Of course, a funny effect for a male "mega orgasm" is at the end, instead of both actors dropping limply to the ground as they do now, have them thrown away from each other as if by an explosion.

[Chase Roxand]

Ok' date=' yes, many women have trouble reaching orgasm.

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I didn't think that you guys would want to roleplay that, though. It's already going to be tough to orgasm first if the player is female.

And you are right that I am not being precise about the counters.

 

I just meant: implement several concepts of lust (maybe a monthly concept' date=' and maybe two or three orgasm based concepts, where each orgasm based concept has different rates, so they do not all go off together).

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I can do that.

 

How exactly are you adding semen

 

Traditionally it's done with a penis.

 

Thanks, Loogie. I nearly forgot.

[Halstrom]

How exactly are you adding semen and tracking pregnancy?

I'm just looking for sex occuring using a version of the Notify scripts withing Pregnancy so it shouldn't really care but it just occurred to me why pregnancy would need to watch orgasm DUH!

 

Once you get Orgasm happening I would need to be tracking that. So perhaps I add the Semen tokens to SCR so Lust can see them easily.

 

For Tracked Actors when I get male fertility happening there should be a number of Semen tokens in the Males inventory depending on the time since last orgasm, I could create a NewNPCSemen token that would be added instead for random/new males without FertilityTracking Scripts.

Then in Lust most Tokens would be removed by your orgasm and the same number of InternalSemen Tokens added to the Female only if the sex was Vaginal.

 

The only downfall I see is Lust becomes a requirement for Pregnancy to function, but I could check for that and run an alternative system, but really I don't think many people wanting Pregnancy would not want Lust as well.

 

I'm open to any other ideas, I suspect a "MaleActorJustCame" or "FemaleActorJustRecievedCum" Formlist might not work because non-unque spawned NPC's/Creatures might not be identified correctly. Tokens added would be more bulletproof and universal. For similar reasons SCR Variables won't work on any non companion Female NPC's.

[Halstrom]

How exactly are you adding semen

Traditionally it's done with a penis.

LOL, Good One

[Chase Roxand]

Well, you shouldn't need to monitor it. I can add semen if it's in SCR. Isn't it just a variable for each companion and the player?

 

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Also, I'm getting quite a bit of use out of the SCR form lists. Took me long enough.

[Halstrom]

Well' date=' you shouldn't need to monitor it. I can add semen if it's in SCR. Isn't it just a variable for each companion and the player?

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Also, I'm getting quite a bit of use out of the SCR form lists. Took me long enough.[/quote']

No, in the new version of Pregnancy Semen is a Token, I might add 1-10 tokens depending on the amount regenerated since the Male actors last sex for tracked Actors and the race/creature type. Maybe for now we forget the regeneration and just a scale like add 1 Semen for rats/roaches etc, 3 for Dogs, 5 for Humans, 7 for Centaurs & Robots, 10 for Bighorners, Deathclaws & Supermutants. The sementokens have their own timer script so they self-delete after the correct number of hours.

 

I deal with the quality of the semen in the Pregnancy scripts as to modifying the chancs of Pregnancy per semen token, so alhough you might get a lot of semen from a Supermutant, it has a poor quality for impregnation chances.

 

Yeah I envisioned someone would use the formists sooner or later, can get ideas justt reading the list for all sorts of plugins

[Chase Roxand]

Umm, how am I supposed to be implementing LustX? I'm not sure what's going on in your script.

[Halstrom]

Umm' date=' how am I supposed to be implementing LustX? I'm not sure what's going on in your script.[/quote']

Basically LustX will be a value from 0-1000, but you should cap the effect at 100, anything above 100 I just use for extended time before it wears off 100 points of LustX = 50 hours I think.

Currently I don't think I even use LustX in pregnancy excep a modifier for the chance of miscarry/mutation

The Scripts in SCR just deal with it's duration and reduce the value of LustX as it wears off.

You only need to read the amount of LustX the Actor has, I only planned for LustX on Companions/Willow/Kirina etc that have it in their ActorVAR scripts, not sure if we should bother tracking it or adding it to other NPC's

[Chase Roxand]

Do I need to add to the LustX value(s) myself? Or do you already have scripts doing that?