Maria Eden Slavery (closed)

[zaira]

My reasons why I reduced using DD in ME is that

• the restraints are not integrated into the new ZaZ slot system
• the restraints have no common keywords with ZaZ - so detecting DD restraints leads to additional effort.
• the restraints have no sophisticated keyword system like ZaZ (eg. zbfEffectNoSprint) - that makes detecting the restrictions in scripts complicated : for example I need to avoid animations that are not possible with hands bound - Zaz restraints have a common keyword for this specific restriction. In DD I have to refer directly to a specific item - any DD mod could break everything.
• the restraints on their own does not trigger animations - eg. equipping a ballgag does not open the mouth  - in an early version of MariaEden I simply added the Zaz Keywords and effects to DD but that has broken other mods.
• some restraints looks very poor on UNP - clippings etc. and I decided to stick with UNP cause there exists more fetish stuff for this body type.
• no updates for a very long period - so I suppose that the problems will never be fixed 

In short words - DD is neither the one thing nor the other - looks pretty cool - but major things are missing for a complex slavery mod.

 

Now I use only one of the DD collars and gags - as a local copy - and concentrate more on deeper Zaz integration.

[randomtguy]

I just started using this mod, and it is shaping up to be amazing. I can't tell you how much a simple thing like having to manually trigger the actions adds to the experience, in fact I would even be in favour of in future at least having a selectable option to have to manually trigger the 'turn around' action too, and maybe even having actions like 'initiate blowjob'. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes. Another suggestion I have is it could be good if you only have the option to pick "tell me what you desire" until you've earned enough experience to start negotiating (maybe that's the plan?)

 

I have encountered quite a few bugs and problems, which is to be expected for an alpha mod, so I shall report them here. Apologies if they've been reported, I did a few searches but I don't have time to read the whole thread.

 

First off, you're right about not running it with any other slavery mods, I tried several times to start an ultimate slavery run with ImmerSlave, Simple Slavery and most of its quests, DD + cursed loot etc, but it was just so unstable I couldn't even load into a save without first starting a new game and I couldn't get DAYMOYL's OnBlackOut events to trigger even when I only had Simple Slavery selected. I can't say for sure it was Maria Eden causing the instability, but it seems likely.

 

So I made a new profile and deactivated ImmerSlave, Live Another Life, DAYMOYL, Simple Slavery and all the other slavery mods and started a new game using the quickstart option, selecting training. I still got some crashes on saving, loading and transitions (between the dungeon and the event room), I encountered the sex not triggering problem I know's been reported, but was able to fix it by activating another object, and I only got the message once that I'd completed a training session, which led me to think I wasn't advancing the quest until I checked my quest log. But it was advancing and I was successfully sold.

 

But because it was still unstable I thought I'd try using the new SexLab 6.0 Beta 2 ( was using 1.59), so I downloaded and activated that and started a new new game selecting whore at the fox club. Upgrading sexlab seems to have helped with the stability, or maybe the club section's just more stable than training, I haven't had any crashes on save yet and have level transitioned a few times without a crash either. But I still ran into some issues. Any activity which leads to me being bound doesn't complete properly, noone unties me until I ask and the client doesn't go pay. Any action on a bed leads to the client being stuck on the bed (think this has been reported) and I can't perform the on all fours action during the dog scene unless I activate an object or have sex with the dog once for free first. The bound and tray holding animations seem to conflict with FNIS Sexy Move, which overrides the tray animation always and the bound animation sometimes. Clients sometimes get stuck in place, trying and failing to walk, but that's fixable by killing/disabling and resurrecting/enabling them with the console.

 

Finally, I've had a lot of trouble with the blowjob special activity. Usually either no blowjobs will trigger or only one will and then I'll be stuck on my knees with nothing happening with NPCs making comments. Bizarrely, the problem may have something to do with Immersive HUD, because the one time I've got it to work properly all the way through I noticed that the compass hadn't been hidden like it usually does and pressed the toggle button, and then the action continued. I'm using an old version so I'll try updating it. But then I've since tried all combinations of having the HUD on and off before triggering it and toggling it on and off before starting etc, and haven't got it to work again, so it could have been a coincidence.

 

In fact I accidentally saved over my quicksave stuck in this position, is there any console command I can use to reset the job or anything? Any way, sorry for the novel, great job on the mod so far, I'm loving it.

[jfraser]

I just started using this mod, and it is shaping up to be amazing. I can't tell you how much a simple thing like having to manually trigger the actions adds to the experience, in fact I would even be in favour of in future at least having a selectable option to have to manually trigger the 'turn around' action too, and maybe even having actions like 'initiate blowjob'. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes. Another suggestion I have is it could be good if you only have the option to pick "tell me what you desire" until you've earned enough experience to start negotiating (maybe that's the plan?)

 

I have encountered quite a few bugs and problems, which is to be expected for an alpha mod, so I shall report them here. Apologies if they've been reported, I did a few searches but I don't have time to read the whole thread.

 

First off, you're right about not running it with any other slavery mods, I tried several times to start an ultimate slavery run with ImmerSlave, Simple Slavery and most of its quests, DD + cursed loot etc, but it was just so unstable I couldn't even load into a save without first starting a new game and I couldn't get DAYMOYL's OnBlackOut events to trigger even when I only had Simple Slavery selected. I can't say for sure it was Maria Eden causing the instability, but it seems likely.

 

So I made a new profile and deactivated ImmerSlave, Live Another Life, DAYMOYL, Simple Slavery and all the other slavery mods and started a new game using the quickstart option, selecting training. I still got some crashes on saving, loading and transitions (between the dungeon and the event room), I encountered the sex not triggering problem I know's been reported, but was able to fix it by activating another object, and I only got the message once that I'd completed a training session, which led me to think I wasn't advancing the quest until I checked my quest log. But it was advancing and I was successfully sold.

 

But because it was still unstable I thought I'd try using the new SexLab 6.0 Beta 2 ( was using 1.59), so I downloaded and activated that and started a new new game selecting whore at the fox club. Upgrading sexlab seems to have helped with the stability, or maybe the club section's just more stable than training, I haven't had any crashes on save yet and have level transitioned a few times without a crash either. But I still ran into some issues. Any activity which leads to me being bound doesn't complete properly, noone unties me until I ask and the client doesn't go pay. Any action on a bed leads to the client being stuck on the bed (think this has been reported) and I can't perform the on all fours action during the dog scene unless I activate an object or have sex with the dog once for free first. The bound and tray holding animations seem to conflict with FNIS Sexy Move, which overrides the tray animation always and the bound animation sometimes. Clients sometimes get stuck in place, trying and failing to walk, but that's fixable by killing/disabling and resurrecting/enabling them with the console.

 

Finally, I've had a lot of trouble with the blowjob special activity. Usually either no blowjobs will trigger or only one will and then I'll be stuck on my knees with nothing happening with NPCs making comments. Bizarrely, the problem may have something to do with Immersive HUD, because the one time I've got it to work properly all the way through I noticed that the compass hadn't been hidden like it usually does and pressed the toggle button, and then the action continued. I'm using an old version so I'll try updating it. But then I've since tried all combinations of having the HUD on and off before triggering it and toggling it on and off before starting etc, and haven't got it to work again, so it could have been a coincidence.

 

In fact I accidentally saved over my quicksave stuck in this position, is there any console command I can use to reset the job or anything? Any way, sorry for the novel, great job on the mod so far, I'm loving it.

Simple Slavery doesn't conflict with this. The only problem it has with Maria Eden is that there is only one master you get sent to right now, so if he's dead and you get enslaved again, you don't really get enslaved again. I'm going to fix that, but in the meantime, every time you get enslaved via Simple Slavery, ask your owner to sell you immediately - that way he'll stay alive. An ugly fix, but it will work for now. 

[randomtguy]

 

Simple Slavery doesn't conflict with this. The only problem it has with Maria Eden is that there is only one master you get sent to right now, so if he's dead and you get enslaved again, you don't really get enslaved again. I'm going to fix that, but in the meantime, every time you get enslaved via Simple Slavery, ask your owner to sell you immediately - that way he'll stay alive. An ugly fix, but it will work for now. snip

 

 

Must be something else stopping DAYMOYL's events from triggering, I was trying to trigger it through Defeat and then SexLab leveling, but I couldn't get that to work, and it wouldn't work without them active either. Do you happen to know any conflicts that would prevent it? When it was working for me on an earlier run with a different collection of mods that was unfortunately just as unstable it was an awesome mod though, great job.

 

[carnifex]

My reasons why I reduced using DD in ME is that

• the restraints are not integrated into the new ZaZ slot system
• the restraints have no common keywords with ZaZ - so detecting DD restraints leads to additional effort.
• the restraints have no sophisticated keyword system like ZaZ (eg. zbfEffectNoSprint) - that makes detecting the restrictions in scripts complicated : for example I need to avoid animations that are not possible with hands bound - Zaz restraints have a common keyword for this specific restriction. In DD I have to refer directly to a specific item - any DD mod could break everything.
• the restraints on their own does not trigger animations - eg. equipping a ballgag does not open the mouth  - in an early version of MariaEden I simply added the Zaz Keywords and effects to DD but that has broken other mods.
• some restraints looks very poor on UNP - clippings etc. and I decided to stick with UNP cause there exists more fetish stuff for this body type.
• no updates for a very long period - so I suppose that the problems will never be fixed 

In short words - DD is neither the one thing nor the other - looks pretty cool - but major things are missing for a complex slavery mod.

 

Now I use only one of the DD collars and gags - as a local copy - and concentrate more on deeper Zaz integration.

Just to be clear, we're talking DD-Assets the way you had used them, right?

[jfraser]

 

 

Simple Slavery doesn't conflict with this. The only problem it has with Maria Eden is that there is only one master you get sent to right now, so if he's dead and you get enslaved again, you don't really get enslaved again. I'm going to fix that, but in the meantime, every time you get enslaved via Simple Slavery, ask your owner to sell you immediately - that way he'll stay alive. An ugly fix, but it will work for now. snip

 

Must be something else stopping DAYMOYL's events from triggering, I was trying to trigger it through Defeat and then SexLab leveling, but I couldn't get that to work, and it wouldn't work without them active either. Do you happen to know any conflicts that would prevent it? When it was working for me on an earlier run with a different collection of mods that was unfortunately just as unstable it was an awesome mod though, great job.

I don't want to gum up Zaira's support thread with my mod's stuff, so please post on SS's and we'll get it working.

[zaira]

 

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Just to be clear, we're talking DD-Assets the way you had used them, right?

 

Yes DD Assets alone is only a mesh collection. To make them functional it needs assistance from mods. Every mod has to copy the items if they want to add functionality like mouth open idles without side effects. Then you may see two identical gags in the game, one is opening the mouth, the other not.

 

DD Integration is not the first choice because it adds not only basic item functionality but quests and break out prevention and a hard SL arousal dependency. And the keyword problem persists even with DDI - additional I have no idea how to control DDI via scripts

 

Maybe I am wrong - but there is no documentation - or at least I found none.

 

I would like to see a basic framework around DD - like ZaZ - that add at least the fundamental basics like open mouth, arm and leg offset idles and a logical keyword system for classification of restrictions. A DDI "Light" version - or - the best solution would be a ZaZ integration - I am sure that nobody who uses DD wont have ZaZ installed - Zaz is stable, well documented and very modder friendly.

 

Additionally the UNP clipping is a no-go for me - I am too dumb to fix it on my own...

[LHM]

DD Integration is not the first choice because it adds not only basic item functionality but quests and break out prevention and a hard SL arousal dependency. And the keyword problem persists even with DDI - additional I have no idea how to control DDI via scripts

 

Maybe I am wrong - but there is no documentation - or at least I found none.

 

Do you mean this kind of documentation?

 

https://github.com/DeviousDevices/Docs/wiki

[Lucy]

Ok, let's try this again... Before I get chewed out by a certain someone again, all requisites work perfectly fine with other mods. All tests were conducted in isolation from other mods that are not in the requirements. New games were done for every test.

 

This time, since I got my head bitten off for trying to use 1.24, I've tried versions 1.19 and 1.20, using a new save for each one, and tested every permutation I could. I would have tried DAYMOYL for starting, but I can't seem to force a specific outcome in DAYMOYL and when Maria is installed, I mostly just wake back up where I blacked out with no consequences except for a permadeath if I die again until the DAYMOYL meter fills back up.

 

The bundled Quickstart for starting

 

1.19:

• Character creation in a slave cell, naked, in WhiteRun, stuck in the wall apparently in a sitting position. Cannot unsit, cannot move, tried enableplayercontrols and setplayeraidriven 0 on console, still couldn't stand up. MCM menu shows up and is blank, there are no options. Also menu pops up "who did you side with in Helgen?"

 

1.20:

• Character creation happened in black blackness, falling in a void. Character model was not visible. Created character blind, ended character creation, still falling... MCM menu allows me to teleport to Aaron... Character is naked save for iron cuffs and a collar. "who did you side with in Helgen?"

 

 

 

LAL esp for starting...

 

Select to be a slave on the market:

 

1.19:

• Use bed, sleep, wake up next to bed... Bed and Mara statue are still in the prison cell and did not de-res.

 

1.20:

• Use bed, wind up in cell in White-Run, bound by collar and cuffs. Menu pops up... Do you want to be free, a slave, a trained slave, or instant slavery.
• Free option opens doors and removes cuffs and collar. Slave and Trained Slave options have the same result, the menu disappears and i sit around in a cell rotting for an eternity. Instant slave option teleports Maria to the outside of the cage. The cage does not open. I rot in the cell for an eternity.
• No matter which of the four options is chosen, no notifications of slavery starts. I can talk to Aaron and he lets me do the "special request" and I go through that and he's like "ok you're a slave now" no notification happens, no quests, no bondage, nothing...

 

Choose "be a slave of someone"

 

1.19:

• Use bed, sleep, wake up next to bed... Bed and Mara statue are still in the prison cell and did not deres.

 

1.20:

• Use bed, wind up in the tavern in White-Run next to Maria, bound and collared, with "day 0 as slave of Maria" quest. Get message that Maria is happy... I can wander around and do whatever... Go pick flowers, make some potions, sell potions for money, use money to pay a blacksmith to get unbound and even uncollared if I speak to the right one... No consequences... The game plays as if I'm not a slave, and nothing happened.

[soumyapal]

Just a question here. do i need to download/configure anything about the dress? like i get a pop up box with 1 - 5 options and if i select one the owner says to get dressed. but i dont see any dress being added. how do i proceed from here? any help will be appriciated.

[nameless701]

The suitable clothes must you yourself define.

...put on clothes for the whore,open MCM/Maria/Clothes and update the clothes (set a slot)

[magicrealm]

What about the blowjob ctd ?  i got this too and cant find a solution for it. i think i have it since zaz 1.07

[jfraser]

What about the blowjob ctd ?  i got this too and cant find a solution for it. i think i have it since zaz 1.07

 

Yeah, I think that's one of the stops in this version of the alpha - I don't think there's a solution yet, apart from skipping the quest completely. Hopefully will be fixed when that evil Witcher stops stealing Zaira from us.

[zaira]

Witcher is history - I am back and modding everyday - throwing away many things, introducing new things.

[jfraser]

Witcher is history - I am back and modding everyday - throwing away many things, introducing new things.

You escaped its evil clutches! Yay! Now, if I could just escape work for a bit and do the things you suggested...

 

Speaking of, since I don't know when I'll have time to get to it (maybe next March?), you have my permission to do whatever you want with SS. Or not, if you don't want to add all that to your busy modding schedule. Either way's fine with me - it'll just take awhile for me to get sufficient time.

[zaira]

I fear not many people will like the way Maria Eden goes - I have removed most of the content - no more NPCs, no more buildings, no more complex single-run quests - concentrating very much on whoring aspects and plugin-mods like FoxClub (a new plugin is on it's way) and rebuild completely for deep integration into the new Zaz slavery framework.

Maybe Maria Eden support in SS will be broken - because I also removed all factions and reduced amounts of keywords - Zaz has started a framework for slave mod collaboration. I hope he will find some time to continue working on it - I try to support him.

Even the actor Maria itself is removed - every NPC could take over her role.

[jfraser]

Wow, that's quite the news bulletin. Can't wait to see how it looks.

[Guest Zentari2238]

I fear not many people will like the way Maria Eden goes - I have removed most of the content - no more NPCs, no more buildings, no more complex single-run quests - concentrating very much on whoring aspects and plugin-mods like FoxClub (a new plugin is on it's way) and rebuild completely for deep integration into the new Zaz slavery framework.

Maybe Maria Eden support in SS will be broken - because I also removed all factions and reduced amounts of keywords - Zaz has started a framework for slave mod collaboration. I hope he will find some time to continue working on it - I try to support him.

Even the actor Maria itself is removed - every NPC could take over her role.

 

A shame , I was hoping to see a little more focus on the dom aspects of your mistress/master instead of the generic whoring out .

[Verstort]

I fear not many people will like the way Maria Eden goes - I have removed most of the content - no more NPCs, no more buildings, no more complex single-run quests - concentrating very much on whoring aspects and plugin-mods like FoxClub (a new plugin is on it's way) and rebuild completely for deep integration into the new Zaz slavery framework.

Maybe Maria Eden support in SS will be broken - because I also removed all factions and reduced amounts of keywords - Zaz has started a framework for slave mod collaboration. I hope he will find some time to continue working on it - I try to support him.

Even the actor Maria itself is removed - every NPC could take over her role.

 

A shame , I was hoping to see a little more focus on the dom aspects of your mistress/master instead of the generic whoring out .

 

I read "the actor Maria itself is removed - every NPC could take over her role." to mean that the master slave relationship between player and NPC is just abstracted as applicable to a wider range of NPC, not removed from the mod.

 

Can I confirm that the defeat sold to khajit quest is scrapped? You said you were removing "single-run quests" but there still has to be some entrance into slavery, right? Are the two entrances being removed/replaced/plugin-ized as well?

[zaira]

Single-Run quests are for example Dibellas Temple and Gangbang in Marias home.

All Femdom-Whoring quests are based on the new Whoring System.

 

Dom/Sub Relationship (Minijobs, Quests) remains untouched.

[zaira]

Maria is already available as simple NPC addon here in the non-adult section - and she looks much better.

I need to cleanup stuff for stabilization - and I remove NPCs and buildings because I have introduced a framework - with only a few modifications (no cell modifications!) a modder can turn every place into a brothel or a slave auction house or a slaver camp, every NPC into an active Dom or a Pimp or a Whore or a Slaver...

 

Even the player can change tamriel - with the help of spells he can turn places into brothels and acquire the most beautiful NPCs as active whores or pimps - start whoring in a tavern - the bar keeper wan't to get a cut from you - now turn other NPCs in the cell into whores and the bar keeper becomes pimp of them too.

 

Marias Home can be every home you want - buy or build a house and enter it as a slave - the femdom take over this house and use it as her homebase...

 

The two brothel addons are a first example - they have absolutely no Mod dependency or any communication with Maria Eden. But several items and NPCs are marked - so my mod could use these mods as a stage for the brothel scenery.

 

I remove my own Tamriel modifications because they are obsolete: you will be able to build you own slavery/whoring environment within the game and with the help of JsonUtils your changes are persistent and can be shared with other users...

[xboronx]

I'll just let me surprise.

 

The whoring aspect of 1.24 was very promising, i only stopped using your great mod because the slavery part seemed to broken in the raw alpha version (mistress whoring herself out constantly).

 

Looking forward to new versions, no matter which direction you go. I just hope that you make much configure options via mcm menus, while it takes a while to setup DCL the sheer amount of MCM settings there lets you make a very individualized version very well

[germanicus]

Maria is already available as simple NPC addon here in the non-adult section - and she looks much better.

I need to cleanup stuff for stabilization - and I remove NPCs and buildings because I have introduced a framework - with only a few modifications (no cell modifications!) a modder can turn every place into a brothel or a slave auction house or a slaver camp, every NPC into an active Dom or a Pimp or a Whore or a Slaver...

 

Even the player can change tamriel - with the help of spells he can turn places into brothels and acquire the most beautiful NPCs as active whores or pimps - start whoring in a tavern - the bar keeper wan't to get a cut from you - now turn other NPCs in the cell into whores and the bar keeper becomes pimp of them too.

 

Marias Home can be every home you want - buy or build a house and enter it as a slave - the femdom take over this house and use it as her homebase...

 

The two brothel addons are a first example - they have absolutely no Mod dependency or any communication with Maria Eden. But several items and NPCs are marked - so my mod could use these mods as a stage for the brothel scenery.

 

I remove my own Tamriel modifications because they are obsolete: you will be able to build you own slavery/whoring environment within the game and with the help of JsonUtils your changes are persistent and can be shared with other users...

 

Excellent changes. I love it.

 

[magicrealm]

i hope you kicked all Cages and XCrosses that filled every corner of Skyrim......

[carnifex]

That sounds quite promising, can't wait to see the next version.