Project: Unified UNP

[ousnius]

So this works a bit better now. 

(bone-scaled breasts, butt and belly)

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/24246-bodyslide-20-and-outfit-studio-out-now/?p=1143617

Just released BodySlide v2.4 with those new weights and other stuff. Bear in mind that they might not be perfect yet.

[germ]

There's some sort of weird neck gap with the new uunp special body since the bodyslide update. The neck overlaps the body mesh, it isn't flush like it used to be.

[ousnius]

There's some sort of weird neck gap with the new uunp special body since the bodyslide update. The neck overlaps the body mesh, it isn't flush like it used to be.

 

I haven't touched anything that could suddenly cause that. Maybe you were using an older UUNP preset of yours that still has data for the "Neck" slider in it? Did you try with one of the presets it comes with yet?

[germ]

 

There's some sort of weird neck gap with the new uunp special body since the bodyslide update. The neck overlaps the body mesh, it isn't flush like it used to be.

 

I haven't touched anything that could suddenly cause that. Maybe you were using an older UUNP preset of yours that still has data for the "Neck" slider in it? Did you try with one of the presets it comes with yet?

 

 

No, I'm actually using a preset I made for CBBE. But It's the same preset I had been using before I updated, and wasn't an issue. I also noticed that something with the hips has changed as well, I had to re adjust my preset because the hips were way too wide.(butt sliders, 100% buttslider 2 gets rid of the giant protruding hips) 

 

It's actually on the nexus under one of my banned accounts(that's right), userguy24 or something like that.  http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50108/? the optional body.

[germ]

Ghost sex

[zzz72w3r]

Is it possible to adjust the thickness and length of the forearms/legs with Bodyslide?  I can do it with RM's Body Scale sliders but I want to create a body with long slender limbs for NPC, more of dancer physique.  Other than DG, all UNP default forearms are lumberjack size with huge hands.

[ousnius]

Is it possible to adjust the thickness and length of the forearms/legs with Bodyslide?  I can do it with RM's Body Scale sliders but I want to create a body with long slender limbs for NPC, more of dancer physique.  Other than DG, all UNP default forearms are lumberjack size with huge hands.

 

BodySlide doesn't have a slider for that I'm afraid. Moving entire joints is always a bit risky to keep the animations looking good (seams too).

[zzz72w3r]

 

Is it possible to adjust the thickness and length of the forearms/legs with Bodyslide?  I can do it with RM's Body Scale sliders but I want to create a body with long slender limbs for NPC, more of dancer physique.  Other than DG, all UNP default forearms are lumberjack size with huge hands.

 

BodySlide doesn't have a slider for that I'm afraid. Moving entire joints is always a bit risky to keep the animations looking good (seams too).

 

 

I apologize if this is off-topic but I am curious.  What is the technical difference that RM does with limbs via Body Scale sliders that BodySlide does not want to venture into? 

 

Going forward is this what RM's bodymorph I've been reading about can do?  Exporting completely customized body nifs similar to what RM3 does with head nif? 

 

Thanks

[SuplenC]

Why my HDT Special Body's vagina doesn't work with SOS? Am I missing something? I have HDT, SOS, newest XPMSE skeleton and still I can't manage it to work.

[ousnius]

 

 

Is it possible to adjust the thickness and length of the forearms/legs with Bodyslide?  I can do it with RM's Body Scale sliders but I want to create a body with long slender limbs for NPC, more of dancer physique.  Other than DG, all UNP default forearms are lumberjack size with huge hands.

 

BodySlide doesn't have a slider for that I'm afraid. Moving entire joints is always a bit risky to keep the animations looking good (seams too).

 

 

I apologize if this is off-topic but I am curious.  What is the technical difference that RM does with limbs via Body Scale sliders that BodySlide does not want to venture into? 

 

Going forward is this what RM's bodymorph I've been reading about can do?  Exporting completely customized body nifs similar to what RM3 does with head nif? 

 

Thanks

 

 

The node scaling uses the weighting of the mesh. The animations use the weighting of the mesh for their movement as well. So if you scale the nodes (bones), you will have better results with bending arms etc. than with a BodySlide slider that could affect the wrong things at the wrong time.

 

RM's BodyMorph is BodySlide except in-game and script-able. It currently can't export bodies/armors.

[rhino_4]

I see that bodyslide on the nexus says it has uunp as well. Is that the same as this, or does this mod have increased features/functions?

[ousnius]

I see that bodyslide on the nexus says it has uunp as well. Is that the same as this, or does this mod have increased features/functions?

 

I'm uploading new versions to Nexus only, unless BringTheNoise wants to update this thread as well.

[Caliban44]

under what folder to i install the resources archive?

 

and i can not get my in game animations to look like this

http://gfycat.com/BlindInexperiencedDegus#?direction=reverse

 

i also have missing texture in the genital region of all females in game (the pussy tex are there just not anything else in the immediate vincinity of the pussy or asshole

 

if this helps here is my load order

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
03  Dawnguard.esm
04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
05  HearthFires.esm
06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
07  Dragonborn.esm
08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
09  TKChildren.esm
0A  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
0B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
0C  hdtHighHeel.esm
0D  daymoyl.esm
0E  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.59b]
0F  SexLabAroused.esm
10  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.0.0]
11  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
12  BeeingFemale.esm  [Version 2.4]
13  actorEvents.esm
14  titkit.esp
15  sr_ifpssl.esp
16  SOSRaceMenu.esp
17  SOS Schlong Controller.esp
18  SOS Equipable Schlong.esp
19  SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
1A  SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
1B  SkyUI.esp
1C  sexlab_WearAndTear.esp
1D  SexLabWerewolvesMB.esp
1E  SexLabWerewolves.esp
1F  SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
20  SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
21  SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
22  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 7]
23  SexLabConsequences.esp
24  SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp
25  SexLab Cumshot.esp  [Version 1.6]
26  SexLab Brawling Rape.esp
27  SexCrime.esp
28  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
29  SexLabArousedAnimations.esp
2A  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
2B  RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
2C  RaceMenu.esp
2D  NusbieVoices.esp
2E  NonEssentialChildren.esp
2F  NoFurnitureActivationWhenSneaking.esp  [Version 1.1]
30  No More Sexy Animation Fix.esp
++  TKChildren_HF.esp
++  NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp
31  MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp
32  MoreNastyCritters.esp
33  SexLabSquirt.esp
34  jps_noreadbooks.esp
35  jaxonznamegen.esp
36  JaxonzMCMKicker.esp
37  SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
38  ImmersiveFP.esp
39  HDTEarring.esp
3A  [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights +Dawnguard.esp
3B  HDT Skirt Test.esp
3C  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
3D  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
3E  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
3F  HDT Capes.esp
40  FNISSexyMove.esp
41  SkyrimConfigMenu.esp
42  doahair.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations-DB.esp
43  Dawnguard Halfsized.esp
44  Dragonborn Halfsized.esp
45  Skyrim Halfsized.esp
46  SLA Monitor Widget.esp
47  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
48  DSCR.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
49  Convenient Horses.esp
4A  ELFX - Exteriors.esp
4B  TKChildren_DB.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations.esp
4C  MarieRose Wig.esp
++  better_potions.esp
4D  Better Dynamic Snow.esp  [Version 2.4]
4E  SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
4F  Animated Dragon Wings.esp
50  Sexlab Release.esp
51  Immersive detection of NPC.esp
52  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
53  HDT Female Hairstyles.esp
54  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 2.1.3]
55  perkdescriptionsenhanced.esp
56  Gatti7Siggy.esp
57  7Base Remodeled Armor - Replacer.esp  [Version 2.5]
58  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
59  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
5A  ELFXEnhancer.esp
5B  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.13]
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
5C  Immersive Interiors.esp
5D  SoS - Civilization.esp  [Version 1.02]
5E  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.23]
5F  HentaiCreatures.esp
++  SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
60  getSnowy.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
61  BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
62  EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
63  SexLab Romance.esp
64  LoversHook.esp
65  EMCompViljaSkyrimBodyPatch.esp
66  EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
67  AI Overhaul.esp
68  TKChildren_V.esp
69  7Base Remodeled Armor - Replacer - Dawnguard.esp  [Version 2.5]
6A  SOS - Leito Addon.esp
++  BlueSkys.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations-DG.esp
6B  7Base Remodeled Armor - Replacer - Dragonborn.esp  [Version 2.5]
6C  SSv2.esp
6D  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
6E  Unique Descriptions.esp
6F  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.8]
70  Skippy's Book Overhaul.esp
71  HigherLevelEnemies.esp
72  Point The Way.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
73  CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp
74  SofiaFollower.esp
75  Serenity.esp
76  SOS - Shop.esp
77  SexLabDefeat.esp
78  SexLab_MindControl.esp
79  smakit_house_markers_plus.esp
7A  LoversComfort.esp
7B  Doge.esp
7C  SexLab_Hormones.esp
7D  Review Studio.esp
7E  FNISspells.esp
7F  ShocksSaltMinesofSkyrim.esp
80  Real Clouds.esp
81  SWT1.2.esp
82  Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp
83  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]
84  RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp
85  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

i use wrye bash for skyrim as my mod manager

[Caliban44]

what is causing this:

 

this is in bodyslide that came with uunp

and it even shows up in game

 

looked here in this forum with no luck in finding a fix

 

 

 

[SuplenC]

what is causing this:

 

this is in bodyslide that came with uunp

and it even shows up in game

 

looked here in this forum with no luck in finding a fix

About texture I can tell you that you are using HDT+ body which means that you have to use 7b textures to make it work correctly.

With animations and working vagina you can't make it work with HDT+ I think (not sure) but only with HDT Special. Which I too still didn't managed to make it work like in this gif.

[ousnius]

 

what is causing this:

 

this is in bodyslide that came with uunp

and it even shows up in game

 

looked here in this forum with no luck in finding a fix

About texture I can tell you that you are using HDT+ body which means that you have to use 7b textures to make it work correctly.

With animations and working vagina you can't make it work with HDT+ I think (not sure) but only with HDT Special. Which I too still didn't managed to make it work like in this gif.

 

Sure about 7B textures? I only knew of UN7B textures having the vagina part.

[SuplenC]

 

 

what is causing this:

 

this is in bodyslide that came with uunp

and it even shows up in game

 

looked here in this forum with no luck in finding a fix

About texture I can tell you that you are using HDT+ body which means that you have to use 7b textures to make it work correctly.

With animations and working vagina you can't make it work with HDT+ I think (not sure) but only with HDT Special. Which I too still didn't managed to make it work like in this gif.

 

Sure about 7B textures? I only knew of UN7B textures having the vagina part.

 

yep sorry UN7B my bad.

[zzz72w3r]

Are UUNP hands needed only because of Top Model and Dream Girl?  I notice that all other bodies appear to have the same hands.

 

EDIT: Sorry, I meant UN7B instead of Top Model.

[ousnius]

Are UUNP hands needed only because of Top Model and Dream Girl?  I notice that all other bodies appear to have the same hands.

 

There are a few more. The others have very slight, mostly invisible movements that would cause seams if not built. I should go in at some point and remove all unnecessary sliders and clean the whole hand/feet concept up.

[zzz72w3r]

 

Are UUNP hands needed only because of Top Model and Dream Girl?  I notice that all other bodies appear to have the same hands.

 

There are a few more. The others have very slight, mostly invisible movements that would cause seams if not built. I should go in at some point and remove all unnecessary sliders and clean the whole hand/feet concept up.

 

 

Is it very difficult to do?  Sorry to keep harping on this but I just read on Halo's board it seems to me that the only reason UNP is stuck with the lumberjack forearms is for compatibility with vanilla hands. 

 

However, since UUNP hands are all customized, isn't it a good time to fix (probably not the right word) that shortcoming?  A more feminine, i.e. slender and rounder hands across the board at least for lower weights would be vastly superior than before.  As gloves and gauntlets all supposed to be thick anyway, the more feminine hands shouldn't cause any issues. 

 

I have no clue how much works or conflict this will require or cause so forgive me for asking.

 

[Caliban44]

what is causing this black body  i tried exiting skyrim and then reloading save but no good i am using this mods body modified in bodyslide, also the vagina stays open all the time and does not animate

 

here is mod loadout

 

Edit: it is not the custom wet body spec file i dl'ed from loverslab, it happens after sex animations

Edit #2 i am using the uunp special body

Active Mod Files:

 

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
03  Dawnguard.esm
04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
05  HearthFires.esm
06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
07  Dragonborn.esm
08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
09  TKChildren.esm
0A  ZaZAnimationPack.esm
0B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
0C  hdtHighHeel.esm
0D  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.59b]
0E  daymoyl.esm
0F  SexLabAroused.esm
10  CreatureFramework.esm  [Version 1.0.0]
11  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
12  BeeingFemale.esm  [Version 2.4]
13  actorEvents.esm
14  titkit.esp
15  sr_ifpssl.esp
16  SOSRaceMenu.esp
17  SOS Schlong Controller.esp
18  SOS Equipable Schlong.esp
19  SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
1A  SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
1B  SOS - Leito Addon.esp
1C  SkyUI.esp
1D  sexlab_WearAndTear.esp
1E  SexLabWerewolvesMB.esp
1F  SexLabWerewolves.esp
20  Sexy Armor Replacer Patch.esp
21  SexLabNudeCreatures.esp
22  SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp
23  SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp
24  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 7]
25  SexLabConsequences.esp
26  SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp
27  SexLab Cumshot.esp  [Version 1.6]
28  SexLab Brawling Rape.esp
29  SexCrime.esp
2A  Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
2B  SexLabArousedAnimations.esp
2C  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
2D  RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp
2E  RaceMenu.esp
2F  NusbieVoices.esp
30  NonEssentialChildren.esp
31  NoFurnitureActivationWhenSneaking.esp  [Version 1.1]
32  No More Sexy Animation Fix.esp
++  TKChildren_HF.esp
++  NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp
33  MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp
34  MoreNastyCritters.esp
35  SexLabSquirt.esp
36  jps_noreadbooks.esp
37  ImmersiveFP.esp
38  jaxonznamegen.esp
39  [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights +Dawnguard.esp
3A  HDTEarring.esp
3B  HDT Skirt Test.esp
3C  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
3D  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp
3E  Gatti7Siggy.esp
3F  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
40  HDT Capes.esp
41  FNISSexyMove.esp
42  SkyrimConfigMenu.esp
43  doahair.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations-DB.esp
44  Dawnguard Halfsized.esp
45  Dragonborn Halfsized.esp
46  Skyrim Halfsized.esp
47  SLA Monitor Widget.esp
48  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
49  DSCR.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-1.esp
4A  Convenient Horses.esp
4B  ELFX - Exteriors.esp
4C  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp
4D  TKChildren_DB.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations.esp
4E  MarieRose Wig.esp
4F  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
50  ELFXEnhancer.esp
51  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.13]
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
52  Immersive Interiors.esp
53  SoS - Civilization.esp  [Version 1.02]
54  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.23]
55  SSv2.esp
56  SWT1.2.esp
57  HentaiCreatures.esp
++  SoS - Civilization-PatchCoT.esp
58  getSnowy.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hazardous.esp
59  EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
5A  SexLab Romance.esp
5B  LoversHook.esp
5C  EMCompViljaSkyrimBodyPatch.esp
5D  EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
++  better_potions.esp
5E  Better Dynamic Snow.esp  [Version 2.4]
5F  SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
60  JaxonzMCMKicker.esp
61  SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
62  BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
63  Animated Dragon Wings.esp
64  Sexlab Release.esp
65  Immersive detection of NPC.esp
66  AI Overhaul.esp
67  TKChildren_V.esp
68  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp
69  Unique Descriptions.esp
6A  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.8]
6B  Skippy's Book Overhaul.esp
6C  HigherLevelEnemies.esp
6D  Point The Way.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
6E  CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp
++  SOS - Male Vanila Armor Cloths Conversion Custom.esp
++  SOS - Revealing Armors.esp  [Version ealing]
6F  SofiaFollower.esp
70  Serenity.esp
71  SOS - Shop.esp
72  SexLabDefeat.esp
73  SexLab_MindControl.esp
74  smakit_house_markers_plus.esp
75  LoversComfort.esp
76  Doge.esp
77  SexLab_Hormones.esp
78  Review Studio.esp
79  FNISspells.esp
7A  ShocksSaltMinesofSkyrim.esp
7B  Real Clouds.esp
7C  MaddBag.esp
7D  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 2.00]
7E  HDT Female Hairstyles.esp
7F  AHZmoreHUD.esp  [Version 2.1.3]
80  perkdescriptionsenhanced.esp
++  ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
++  CorrectGenderAnimations-DG.esp
++  BlueSkys.esp
81  SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
82  Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp
83  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]
84  RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp
85  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

[Caliban44]

 

 

 

what is causing this:

 

this is in bodyslide that came with uunp

and it even shows up in game

 

looked here in this forum with no luck in finding a fix

About texture I can tell you that you are using HDT+ body which means that you have to use 7b textures to make it work correctly.

With animations and working vagina you can't make it work with HDT+ I think (not sure) but only with HDT Special. Which I too still didn't managed to make it work like in this gif.

 

Sure about 7B textures? I only knew of UN7B textures having the vagina part.

 

yep sorry UN7B my bad.

 

tnx i figured it out that i had to use hdt special after my op

[guk]

Is it very difficult to do?  Sorry to keep harping on this but I just read on Halo's board it seems to me that the only reason UNP is stuck with the lumberjack forearms is for compatibility with vanilla hands. 

 

However, since UUNP hands are all customized, isn't it a good time to fix (probably not the right word) that shortcoming?  A more feminine, i.e. slender and rounder hands across the board at least for lower weights would be vastly superior than before.  As gloves and gauntlets all supposed to be thick anyway, the more feminine hands shouldn't cause any issues. 

 

I have no clue how much works or conflict this will require or cause so forgive me for asking.

No offense but the whole Skyrim modding scene isn't going to redesign all the body replacers just because you have a little forearm fetish

 

And UUNP does merely add a 1:1 copy of the existing bodyshapes to Bodyslide. Only exceptions are seam fixes, and the hand meshes at least are an upgrade.

[zzz72w3r]

 

Is it very difficult to do?  Sorry to keep harping on this but I just read on Halo's board it seems to me that the only reason UNP is stuck with the lumberjack forearms is for compatibility with vanilla hands. 

 

However, since UUNP hands are all customized, isn't it a good time to fix (probably not the right word) that shortcoming?  A more feminine, i.e. slender and rounder hands across the board at least for lower weights would be vastly superior than before.  As gloves and gauntlets all supposed to be thick anyway, the more feminine hands shouldn't cause any issues. 

 

I have no clue how much works or conflict this will require or cause so forgive me for asking.

No offense but the whole Skyrim modding scene isn't going to redesign all the body replacers just because you have a little forearm fetish

 

And UUNP does merely add a 1:1 copy of the existing bodyshapes to Bodyslide. Only exceptions are seam fixes, and the hand meshes at least are an upgrade.

 

 

Just because I have a problem with forearms does not make it a fetish.  It's more an engineering obsession.  It bothered me aesthetically because it does not look right (so are the shoulders during animation but I understand the technical barrier there).  After learning the history of UNP and high poly hands I realized that it was and is a technical imperfection left over from vanilla.  That's the point I was making and don't appreciate being called out for something else.  Why do UUNP and modders spend absurd amount of time doing these projects?  To fix and improve vanilla. 

 

Forearms are bigger than what we perceived as natural because UNP originally did not come with hands so they made it to conform with vanilla.  Exaggerated limbs are not uncommon when artists create abstract toons.  This was a legacy problem that UNP did not address.  Obviously people didn't like the hands and hence we had high poly hand mods with UUNP adopting Halo's version.  However, how many times have you heard that people don't use high poly hands because they looked unnaturally large?  I did some crude measurements before.  They are actually not bigger than vanilla but I believe the higher details led many users over the uncanny valley and noticed that the vanilla size (the same size high poly hands conform to as you pointed out) was not what most people perceived as normal size.  Halo explained it on his site that his hands are made so to maintain compatibility with UNP wrists and not for aesthetic reason.  So we have a compatibility compromise on top of a compatibility compromise for something intentionally deviate from the norm for aesthetic reason no longer applies. 

 

My understanding is that UUNP already confronted the issue and did the heavy lifting by creating customized hand meshes and the only reason not to fix/adjust the size is due to resource or lack of desire by modders.  I understand that and merely inquired Cell so to understand how big an engineering challenge that would be.  It was certainly not a demand of changes to be made with UUNP or BodySlide. 

 

Guk, I know you used an winking emoji but do not muddy the water and calling it a sexual fetish.  You said no offense but an insult is an insult regardless what you put in front of it.  If nothing ever needs to be improved, why did UUNP adopt DG weight painting and integrate Halo's hands and feet?

 

EDIT: I was erred when I said original UNP was without hand mesh.  The original UNP was a complete package with body, hands and feet.  The point was that original UNP made a compromise with vanilla hands and that compromise remains to this day.

[Trollirious]

 

 

Is it very difficult to do?  Sorry to keep harping on this but I just read on Halo's board it seems to me that the only reason UNP is stuck with the lumberjack forearms is for compatibility with vanilla hands. 

 

However, since UUNP hands are all customized, isn't it a good time to fix (probably not the right word) that shortcoming?  A more feminine, i.e. slender and rounder hands across the board at least for lower weights would be vastly superior than before.  As gloves and gauntlets all supposed to be thick anyway, the more feminine hands shouldn't cause any issues. 

 

I have no clue how much works or conflict this will require or cause so forgive me for asking.

No offense but the whole Skyrim modding scene isn't going to redesign all the body replacers just because you have a little forearm fetish

 

And UUNP does merely add a 1:1 copy of the existing bodyshapes to Bodyslide. Only exceptions are seam fixes, and the hand meshes at least are an upgrade.

 

 

Just because I have a problem with forearms does not make it a fetish.  It's more an engineering obsession.  It bothered me aesthetically because it does not look right (so are the shoulders during animation but I understand the technical barrier there).  After learning the history of UNP and high poly hands I realized that it was and is a technical imperfection left over from vanilla.  That's the point I was making and don't appreciate being called out for something else.  Why do UUNP and modders spend absurd amount of time doing these projects?  To fix and improve vanilla. 

 

Forearms are bigger than what we perceived as natural because UNP originally did not come with hands so they made it to conform with vanilla.  Exaggerated limbs are not uncommon when artists create abstract toons.  This was a legacy problem that UNP did not address.  Obviously people didn't like the hands and hence we had high poly hand mods with UUNP adopting Halo's version.  However, how many times have you heard that people don't use high poly hands because they looked unnaturally large?  I did some crude measurements before.  They are actually not bigger than vanilla but I believe the higher details led many users over the uncanny valley and noticed that the vanilla size (the same size high poly hands conform to as you pointed out) was not what most people perceived as normal size.  Halo explained it on his site that his hands are made so to maintain compatibility with UNP wrists and not for aesthetic reason.  So we have a compatibility compromise on top of a compatibility compromise for something intentionally deviate from the norm for aesthetic reason no longer applies. 

 

My understanding is that UUNP already confronted the issue and did the heavy lifting by creating customized hand meshes and the only reason not to fix/adjust the size is due to resource or lack of desire by modders.  I understand that and merely inquired Cell so to understand how big an engineering challenge that would be.  It was certainly not a demand of changes to be made with UUNP or BodySlide. 

 

Guk, I know you used an winking emoji but do not muddy the water and calling it a sexual fetish.  You said no offense but an insult is an insult regardless what you put in front of it.  If nothing ever needs to be improved, why did UUNP adopt DG weight painting and integrate Halo's hands and feet?

 

 

whoa been awhile since someone went "history teacher" on us