Sexout Intimacy

[MRM18870]

 

 

 

No you're right.  I misread, sorry.  If the PC submits then it isn't rape?  What kind of penalties?  They do form certain undesirable opinions of the PC from submission.

 

 

 

Well, the last time I looked at it, i did not get the "emotional distress"  penalty ( from spunk ? ) for submitting, only when resist failed.

 

 

You get hurt from submission mainly when they have the rough sex flag set.  Though rough sex has barely been tested, and probably needs tuning up.

 

lol That is rich.  That's what I would expect her to do imo.  They weren't flirting with her because she was playing the part of the 'uglier' cock blocking friend (they were more attracted to the PC than to her for whatever reason).

 

 

 

 

Why would you expect Veronica to flirt with the powder gangsters? She is lesbian, isn't she ?

 

I will start a new game with a Charisma @ 1 char and watch what happens

 

 

Because when the PC submits, it ceases to be rape?

 

No I expected her to insult them.

 

My current PC has a char of 4.

 

 

- really ? First - it makes submitting game-play wise too attractive, and second if a female submit because of fear ( properly true for most cases ) it is still rape

 

She did indeed insult them twice  . OTOH why should she? I would assume she just would not care for them as long as they leave her alone

 

Well, My is 2 now and I had already a strange effect - suddenly several powder gangsters are incompatible ( gay just because they saw an unattractive female ? ) male sexuality at 0.9 ( as in most of my games ) but I never had gay powder gangsters so far, and now so many. LOL

 

Edit: veronica is now incompatible for my female PC too - is it intended that charisma influence compatibility ?

 

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- really ? First - it makes submitting game-play wise too attractive, and second if a female submit because of fear ( properly true for most cases ) it is still rape

 

She did indeed insult them twice  . OTOH why should she? I would assume she just would not care for them as long as they leave her alone

 

Well, My is 2 now and I had already a strange effect - suddenly several powder gangsters are incompatible ( gay just because they saw an unattractive female ? ) male sexuality at 0.9 ( as in most of my games ) but I never had gay powder gangsters so far, and now so many. LOL

 

 

 

lol  Because submit is a broad term to test functions for multiple possibilities.  I counter your example with a player that wants to submit willingly and not out of fear.  Both apply in function, but are not differentiated in the default dialog.  Why?  Because we're testing functions, not strictly defining dialog.  That will be something for a modder to come behind me and do.

 

Why wouldn't your lesbian lover become hostile to a room full of male convicts who are clearly ogling you with questionable intent? Cock blocking is her obvious move. lol

 

No I think you maybe just got the luck of the draw.  I get that sometimes too on orientation.  Though lower charisma has a lower chance of triggering stalkers in general.

[MRM18870]

 

 

Why wouldn't your lesbian lover become hostile to a room full of male convicts who are clearly ogling you with questionable intent? Cock blocking is her obvious move. lol

 

 

OK, but then she must be VERY brave if you considering how much they outnumber us ...

 

 

 

No I think you maybe just got the luck of the draw.  I get that sometimes too on orientation.  Though lower charisma has a lower chance of triggering stalkers in general.

 

 

You have read the edit with Veronica? I don't think it is luck alone, she should be compatible but she isn't in my current game.

[t3589]

 

 

 

Why wouldn't your lesbian lover become hostile to a room full of male convicts who are clearly ogling you with questionable intent? Cock blocking is her obvious move. lol

 

 

OK, but then she must be VERY brave if you considering how much they outnumber us ...

 

 

 

No I think you maybe just got the luck of the draw.  I get that sometimes too on orientation.  Though lower charisma has a lower chance of triggering stalkers in general.

 

 

You have read the edit with Veronica? I don't think it is luck alone, she should be compatible but she isn't in my current game.

 

 

I could add a bravery check to that I think.  She didn't read them as intimidating in the NPC audit?  If not, then I'd say that's why she acted bravely (she isn't threatened by them).  If she did, then maybe intimidation should be weighted more?

 

Not sure.  Did you set your orientation in SexoutNG settings?  Is compatibility set to Match or Mix in mod settings?  Veronica should always be lesbian.  The only other reason for incompatibility would be level difference (conceited).  Which if that's the case she isn't really incompatible, she just thinks she's out of your league atm (level up).

 

[MRM18870]

 

 

 

I could add a bravery check to that I think.  She didn't read them as intimidating in the NPC audit?  If not, then I'd say that's why she acted bravely (she isn't threatened by them).  If she did, then maybe intimidation should be weighted more?

 

 

Well, it should all be in the log I submitted with the post #1593, I think you can better interpret  the variables then me

 

 

Not sure.  Did you set your orientation in SexoutNG settings?  Is compatibility set to Match or Mix in mod settings?  Veronica should always be lesbian.  The only other reason for incompatibility would be level difference (conceited).  Which if that's the case she isn't really incompatible, she just thinks she's out of your league atm (level up).

 

I set the orientation in SexoutNG ( as usual )

 

and she seems to be lesbian, but I got a friend greeting and blue flashing. However I did not know so far that the level matters, and indeed I am at still level 1 ( I rushed to her, pick her up as companion and returned to prison, so maybe that is the reason for some gangsters to be incompatible too ?  )

 

I will take a look at it tomorrow, now it's to late for me

 

cu

 

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_2_2016.txt

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I could add a bravery check to that I think.  She didn't read them as intimidating in the NPC audit?  If not, then I'd say that's why she acted bravely (she isn't threatened by them).  If she did, then maybe intimidation should be weighted more?

 

 

Well, it should all be in the log I submitted with the post #1593, I think you can better interpret  the variables then me

 

 

Not sure.  Did you set your orientation in SexoutNG settings?  Is compatibility set to Match or Mix in mod settings?  Veronica should always be lesbian.  The only other reason for incompatibility would be level difference (conceited).  Which if that's the case she isn't really incompatible, she just thinks she's out of your league atm (level up).

 

I set the orientation in SexoutNG ( as usual )

 

and she seems to be lesbian, but I got a friend greeting and blue flashing. However I did not know so far that the level matters, and indeed I am at still level 1 ( I rushed to her, pick her up as companion and returned to prison, so maybe that is the reason for some gangsters to be incompatible too ?  )

 

I will take a look at it tomorrow, now it's to late for me

 

cu

 

 

Yeah that's going to be it then.  The rule of thumb is, if PCLevel + PCCharisma < NPCLevel = Conceited.  So if you're close in level, you can pop a mentat or similar and they should come around.

 

Get some rest.

 

[MRM18870]

Just noticed something strange, and I don't know bug or feature?

 

In my previous play-through I renamed a lot of the gamblers in the Wrangler. 

In my current play-through I entered the the Wrangler first time  and ... lot ( or all ? ) NPCs still had the names from my previous play-through- Is this intended? And if not, does this affect other variables too?

 

 

[t3589]

Just noticed something strange, and I don't know bug or feature?

 

In my previous play-through I renamed a lot of the gamblers in the Wrangler. 

In my current play-through I entered the the Wrangler first time  and ... lot ( or all ? ) NPCs still had the names from my previous play-through- Is this intended? And if not, does this affect other variables too?

 

Weird.  Are you sure you started over? lol  Just teasing.  I'm just guessing, but maybe you didn't close and relaunch the game before restarting?  I've never had this happen and I didn't even know it could do that honestly.

 

I changed rename functions a while back and people reported that it lost the names on reload.  I then reverted to the original renamer so the name would stick across saves/game reload.  I guess they really do stick, which I think might be convenient for someone restarting a game to know.

 

I'd be interested to see if it can be replicated.  I can't remember ever starting a fresh game without also launching the game fresh, so that's going to be my guess.

 

[MRM18870]

I had this "hotkey don't work without error message problem" again, three times. This problem appeared when I used the hotkey on Lacey and I got a "Flattery" as response. Afterwards the hotkey did not work anymore. This was true for all three cases. The hotkey works again after she talked to my char. Any idea what the problem is here?

[t3589]

I had this "hotkey don't work without error message problem" again, three times. This problem appeared when I used the hotkey on Lacey and I got a "Flattery" as response. Afterwards the hotkey did not work anymore. This was true for all three cases. The hotkey works again after she talked to my char. Any idea what the problem is here?

 

No clue.  Did it happen during an activity?

 

EDIT: Try the new one.  I know what is happening I just don't know why.  This is my 18th guess, but I think it might be a matter of bad timing.

 

Something like:

- NPC picks up a dialog action.

- Player hotkeys them just (and I mean just) as they begin to run their dialog action.

 

Tweaked the new copy with a few more hotkey conditions to avoid that (if that's what is causing it).  If it doesn't help, the next step will be locking the player out of hotkeying when they have an action.

 

EDITx2: It would be useful to know if they were hotkeyed during an activity, or an approach from a distance.  Were they walking towards the PC, then when they got close you hotkeyed them?  Or were they just stationary next to the PC, and you hotkeyed and it happened?

Edited June 3, 2016 by t3589

[forgetful hatter]

hmmm. :/

I have the required mods installed but it seems to crash my game each time when i launch with it activated.
I've checked with FNVEdit no problems or missing mods there
NMM is saying there is no errors with my plugins...

I wanted to see what this mod was like but it doesn't seem to be working..

[t3589]

hmmm. :/

 

I have the required mods installed but it seems to crash my game each time when i launch with it activated.

I've checked with FNVEdit no problems or missing mods there

NMM is saying there is no errors with my plugins...

 

I wanted to see what this mod was like but it doesn't seem to be working..

 

My guess would be that some/one of your requirements are out of date.  Last time I got this kind of post, it was because their SCR was out of date.

 

You might also try installing NVAC.

[MRM18870]

 

Weird.  Are you sure you started over? lol  Just teasing.  I'm just guessing, but maybe you didn't close and relaunch the game before restarting?  I've never had this happen and I didn't even know it could do that honestly.

 

 

 

yep, I just started a new game, but did not close the game. Meanwhile I have started a new one, because I was affraid when names are saved from one game to the next, this may happen to other variables to and may cause problems.

 

 

I had this "hotkey don't work without error message problem" again, three times. This problem appeared when I used the hotkey on Lacey and I got a "Flattery" as response. Afterwards the hotkey did not work anymore. This was true for all three cases. The hotkey works again after she talked to my char. Any idea what the problem is here?

 

No clue.  Did it happen during an activity?

 

 

No, it was NOT during an activity. I just approach her and hit the hotkey, she answered with flattery ( but no  dialog options ) and next time I hit the hotkey it did not work. Happened only to her so far, and meanwhile something other happened with her. I had activities with her, and sex ( outside somewhere ) and after the activity she returned to her cell. ( I saw her there ) - so far so good.  But 4 ingame days later, she was suddenly in the saloon in Goodsprings. Maybe it's a problem with this special NPC?

 

Edit: one question, those attributes for clothing, are they only checked when the player has them on, or does the clothing also matters for NPCs ?

 

[t3589]

 

 

Weird.  Are you sure you started over? lol  Just teasing.  I'm just guessing, but maybe you didn't close and relaunch the game before restarting?  I've never had this happen and I didn't even know it could do that honestly.

 

yep, I just started a new game, but did not close the game. Meanwhile I have started a new one, because I was affraid when names are saved from one game to the next, this may happen to other variables to and may cause problems.

 

 

I had this "hotkey don't work without error message problem" again, three times. This problem appeared when I used the hotkey on Lacey and I got a "Flattery" as response. Afterwards the hotkey did not work anymore. This was true for all three cases. The hotkey works again after she talked to my char. Any idea what the problem is here?

 

No clue.  Did it happen during an activity?

 

No, it was NOT during an activity. I just approach her and hit the hotkey, she answered with flattery ( but no  dialog options ) and next time I hit the hotkey it did not work. Happened only to her so far, and meanwhile something other happened with her. I had activities with her, and sex ( outside somewhere ) and after the activity she returned to her cell. ( I saw her there ) - so far so good.  But 4 ingame days later, she was suddenly in the saloon in Goodsprings. Maybe it's a problem with this special NPC?

 

Edit: one question, those attributes for clothing, are they only checked when the player has them on, or does the clothing also matters for NPCs ?

 

 

I wouldn't think the nx variables would carry over.  Though you'd be able to tell right away when you first greet an NPC and it returns they're already a lover or similar.

 

No dialog options is why.  Was she compatible or incompatible?

 

NPC to NPC appearance evaluation is not complete, so no.  I will be adding some appearance stuff to NPC interactions, but it won't be anywhere near as detailed as the PC (very basic).  Attraction is already framed, sort of.  Needs more work.

 

EDIT: See if the new one helps.  I'll need debug up to the 'event' to track it down any further.  I also remember excluding Lacey in a previous copy a long long time ago (maybe even the alpha).  I just can't remember the exact reason I did so.

Edited June 3, 2016 by t3589

[MRM18870]

Lacey was compatible -

 

I tested it now with the new one, but unfortunately it is not better, quite the opposite, it is worse.

 

Now Lacey did not react on the hot key at all, and the hot key did not work afterwards.

 

Here is the log, but I don't see error messages or something like that in it.

 

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_3_2016.txt

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Lacey was compatible -

 

I tested it now with the new one, but unfortunately it is not better, quite the opposite, it is worse.

 

Now Lacey did not react on the hot key at all, and the hot key did not work afterwards.

 

Here is the log, but I don't see error messages or something like that in it.

 

No idea.  Note the new one won't fix anything after the fact.  You'll need to go back before the event originally occurred.  The debug provided says Lacey was hotkeyed and returned greeting dialog, then carried on normally.

 

If she is located in Goodsprings, it's probably still broken.  You need to go back to when Lacey is at the outpost, before all this started.

[MRM18870]

I started a new game, hot key on Lacey ( this time incompatible ) work one, but afterwards, again, the key did not work anymore. However, so far I have this problem only with Lacey

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_4_2016A.txt

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I started a new game, hot key on Lacey ( this time incompatible ) work one, but afterwards, again, the key did not work anymore. However, so far I have this problem only with Lacey

 

It's Lacey.  I'd have to edit her NPC directly to fix it.  Added her to the reserved list.  New one up.

 

Defaults are set once on startup so she won't be reserved until you start the mod fresh.

 

EDIT:  I wonder if there is a 'Lacey' mod of some sort?  If so, it might add some AI packaging to her and then it might work.  Just a note.

Edited June 4, 2016 by t3589

[MRM18870]

Don't know about any Lacey mod - however, I have an other hot key problem, not related to Lacey

 

I am ( or was ?, not sure ) in an activity with Cass, but I can not talk to her - she don't talk to my either for quite some while. I think the problem started with this

 

Cass (00135F19):fnSOIHotKey:Selected!
Cass (00135F19):fnSOIHotKey:Incoming Dialog!
Cass (00135F19):SOITrackerQst:Invalid Result!

 

so i am not absolutely sure about it

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_5_2016.txt

[t3589]

Don't know about any Lacey mod - however, I have an other hot key problem, not related to Lacey

 

I am ( or was ?, not sure ) in an activity with Cass, but I can not talk to her - she don't talk to my either for quite some while. I think the problem started with this

 

Cass (00135F19):fnSOIHotKey:Selected!

Cass (00135F19):fnSOIHotKey:Incoming Dialog!

Cass (00135F19):SOITrackerQst:Invalid Result!

 

so i am not absolutely sure about it

 

Try the new one and let me know if it does the same thing?

 

[MRM18870]

Unfortunately it happened again. I asked for drinking activity, she agreed, I asked for drink, she agreed, and afterwards hotkey did not work, unless Cass talked to me ( then the hotkey worked again )

 

However, it's still the same play-through ( just a previous save ) does this matter?

 

Edit: I had later an other drinking activity with Cass, but this time I provided the drink. This time I had no problems.

 

Edit 2: Hotkey makes also problems on a NPC that was liked by an other NPC before. ( Landbesetzerin, incomplete dialog between 2 NPCs maybe? - they stood face to face all the time )

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_5_2016.txt

ConsoleOutputFile - 6_5_2016b.txt

[t3589]

Cass performed as expected according to the debug.  In case you haven't noticed I've been systematically locking down the hotkey during interruptible functions.  This was done to try and pin down the 'hotkey stops working with no debug' problem.  If you mash the hotkey constantly, are impatient, or are hotkeying things left and right in a hurry, then you can expect a lot of debug telling you to lay off the hotkey until other things are completed.

 

The problem is simple:

- NPC either through hotkey or approach is applied to the tracker.

- NPC doesn't follow through with the dialog (This is the problem, right here!!!).

- NPC becomes stuck in the tracker, and will no longer respond to hotkey, and there will be no debug.

- The tracker can only be cleared in dialog mode.  Therefore, if no dialog happens the tracker is never cleared and remains busy.

- PC uses the default E key to enter dialog mode, and the tracker clears.

 

The NPC 'Landbesetzerin (4E0030A2)' is not a vanilla NPC.  What mod do you have at index 4E of your load order?

[MRM18870]

I hit the key only several times because she did not react.

 

Landbesetzerin IS a vanilla NPC, I just don't know what they are in the english version - those are the generic (RNK) NCR civilians in Freeside

[t3589]

I hit the key only several times because she did not react.

 

Landbesetzerin IS a vanilla NPC, I just don't know what they are in the english version - those are the generic RNK civilians in Freeside

 

What is the name of the mod at that index in your load order?  I'm guessing it isn't FalloutNV.esm, which is what I look at to solve problems with certain NPCs?  Without a mod to reference, I have no choice but to call it 'non-vanilla' from my perspective.

 

[MRM18870]

After searching the internet, I think they are called squatter in the english version

 

The only mod that adds NPCs to the Wrangler I have is populated casinos, but this mod adds AFAIK only gamblers, and there are no problems with them.- beside this, I did not have any problems with this squatter BEFORE the messages popped up that ( IIRC Herbert ) seems to like her.

LoadOrder_FalloutNV_2016-06-05T22-29-37.txt