t3589 Posted August 6, 2016 Author Posted August 6, 2016 Hey, long time without posting here. Reinstalled the game and a few mods. I followed the instructions of the main post and I had this working. More or less. Is Trudy hardcore-ly excluded? Because I get this working with Sunny and the fem NPC, but Trudy is a no-no (no matter what options I choose, she's always excluded). Conflict maybe? This mod is last in the mod list and the only things that I have installed modifying NPCs are YUP, jsawyer ultimate and NV Redesigned. Any clue? Thanks! Trudy works fine for me. Are you running SOIR?
t3589 Posted August 6, 2016 Author Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Here are the new test copies. Barely tested. I'm sure I probably broke some things, so I'm posting them here for the time being. These will require a fresh start of the mod. Once I'm satisfied that they test out okay, I'll post them to downloads. In the coming days I'll add the new settings to the second post. Mods should now be able to use them without the worry of massive re-writes/changes. EDIT: Posted nx variables to the second post (Big Big Book). That's every setting currently in the mod. Edited August 8, 2016 by t3589
7KeysCurtain Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 Is Trudy hardcore-ly excluded? Because I get this working with Sunny and the fem NPC, but Trudy is a no-no (no matter what options I choose, she's always excluded). --- Lovely work and thanks for the updates, I do like the refined/named variables such as :App: for Appearance & :Opn: for Opinion for example. With the new settings and these laid out would it be possible soon to have an updated SOIProfileTemplate created? I have the old V19. Some questions: Are there still any functions that are in-place & framed out but not active / fully activated yet that will work in the newest update? Such as... The pimp functions are just the initial framing. Atm only stalkers make the offer to recruit [Protection]. While I've seen my fair share of stalkers in all my time I've never had one offer to recruit me. I just assume this function wasn't active yet or I don't fit requirements? Any work still needing to be fleshed out with pimps & stalkers? I am seeing the NX-Vs such as "NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Rcd:Pimp", "NX_GetEVFo "SOI:Ref:Pimp". --- NPC to NPC interactions: I've seen the message "X Seems to Like X" happen plenty between SOI NPCs but haven't seen anything go beyond that. Plenty of (030D1220). Once the PC sets a private spot I was assuming that eventually 2 SOI NPCs that are getting close would go to a private spot and woohoo. For the moment could you clarify what exactly are the limitations of NPC interactions, can they actually perform sex acts in private and make out? --- As I play I'm sure more questions will come into mind to ask you. I'm just curious to know what remaining work is in SOI. I also hope Bruce will continue the great work with SOI-Repop now that you mention 'Mods should now be able to use them without the worry of massive re-writes/changes.'.
t3589 Posted August 7, 2016 Author Posted August 7, 2016 Is Trudy hardcore-ly excluded? Because I get this working with Sunny and the fem NPC, but Trudy is a no-no (no matter what options I choose, she's always excluded). --- Lovely work and thanks for the updates, I do like the refined/named variables such as :App: for Appearance & :Opn: for Opinion for example. With the new settings and these laid out would it be possible soon to have an updated SOIProfileTemplate created? I have the old V19. Some questions: Are there still any functions that are in-place & framed out but not active / fully activated yet that will work in the newest update? Such as... The pimp functions are just the initial framing. Atm only stalkers make the offer to recruit [Protection]. While I've seen my fair share of stalkers in all my time I've never had one offer to recruit me. I just assume this function wasn't active yet or I don't fit requirements? Any work still needing to be fleshed out with pimps & stalkers? I am seeing the NX-Vs such as "NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Rcd:Pimp", "NX_GetEVFo "SOI:Ref:Pimp". --- NPC to NPC interactions: I've seen the message "X Seems to Like X" happen plenty between SOI NPCs but haven't seen anything go beyond that. Plenty of (030D1220). Once the PC sets a private spot I was assuming that eventually 2 SOI NPCs that are getting close would go to a private spot and woohoo. For the moment could you clarify what exactly are the limitations of NPC interactions, can they actually perform sex acts in private and make out? --- As I play I'm sure more questions will come into mind to ask you. I'm just curious to know what remaining work is in SOI. I also hope Bruce will continue the great work with SOI-Repop now that you mention 'Mods should now be able to use them without the worry of massive re-writes/changes.'. No sweat. It should be easier to push forward now with a bit less confusion. The dialog variables are also more descriptive now with minimal short hand. Probably. Though it will still need to be edited before it's useful. The profiler is basically just a tutorial on how to use the system with custom dialog. Pimps are almost entirely untested, and I'm not even sure I'll keep them working the same way. Really just a launching point for more work atm. Also I'm sure there are some mistakes in there somewhere. The changes in this copy were brutally tedious, and it would be unlike me to not have forgotten or overlooked something. Appearance for NPCs are not yet active, but the variables are there now. Same for Curious/Interested for non-coms. The majority of the variables in the big big book will never be needed or used (automated). I've included them so that the list would be as comprehensive as possible, in the event that a modder needs to control them. More documentation will come eventually as well. Well I was in the middle of fleshing out NPC interactions when I decided to dive in and get this part over with. Many of the current working functions in this mod came from Bruce placing demands on the system while authoring SOIR. I needed to get back to that, because that's where the most detailed advancement comes from. No the NPCs don't 'do it' (that you know of). lol I'll likely keep it that way except for sex shows/triangles/infidelity. If a modder needs that kind of capability I'll probably look into it. Though I don't see why a modder would want to pipe sex through SOI just so you can walk in on random sex, as opposed to simply setting up and executing a scene via Sexout. But yes I had planned on some form of 'scene-less' tracking of NPC relations. I was also hoping to tap into pregnancy/spunk for possible pregnancy events between NPCs. SOIR and mods like it are the very best thing for this mod, because they place more detailed demands on the system for the settings/tracking/tools they need to tell their mods stories. So yeah, anyone making a mod based on this system is welcome to begin working with it and giving me feedback/requests. I've already made some changes to the new copy. I'll probably get that up in the downloads section sometime tonight. I'll also add some more items to the todo list on the second post here soon as well. At least I can play test again now. More to come.
BoondockSaint Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 I had it (she) working in the end. Thanks anyway, both of you!
MRM18870 Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Pimps are almost entirely untested, and I'm not even sure I'll keep them working the same way. Really just a launching point for more work atm. Also I'm sure there are some mistakes in there somewhere. The changes in this copy were brutally tedious, and it would be unlike me to not have forgotten or overlooked something. I had a pimp only once in hundreds of gameplay hours, so currently it seems to be a very rare event. ( and not yet with this latest version ) However - as a suggestion, why not making certain NPCs pimps ( Garrets for the Wrangler, maybe Pacer for the Kings and Freeside, Scrambler for the Powdergangster etc - ) If you want to work as a prostitute in their territory, you have to work for them - not the player get in those cases the money, the pimp get it. Your pimp expect a minimum of income per day ( which he keep for himself ) . So in order to earn any money for yourself, you have to earn more than this minimum and be nice to your pimp. At least this works quite well for the Skyrim Mod Maria Eden. - A mod based on this system can then add some radiant quests you get from your pimp But yes I had planned on some form of 'scene-less' tracking of NPC relations. I was also hoping to tap into pregnancy/spunk for possible pregnancy events between NPCs. NPC-NPC pregnancy's can eventually become a problem. Last time I had something like this ( because of an other mod ) all children became mine, whether my char was parent or not. To me it seems offspring does not track the parents and always assume the player is either father or mother.
t3589 Posted August 9, 2016 Author Posted August 9, 2016 Pimps are almost entirely untested, and I'm not even sure I'll keep them working the same way. Really just a launching point for more work atm. Also I'm sure there are some mistakes in there somewhere. The changes in this copy were brutally tedious, and it would be unlike me to not have forgotten or overlooked something. I had a pimp only once in hundreds of gameplay hours, so currently it seems to be a very rare event. ( and not yet with this latest version ) However - as a suggestion, why not making certain NPCs pimps ( Garrets for the Wrangler, maybe Pacer for the Kings and Freeside, Scrambler for the Powdergangster etc - ) If you want to work as a prostitute in their territory, you have to work for them - not the player get in those cases the money, the pimp get it. Your pimp expect a minimum of income per day ( which he keep for himself ) . So in order to earn any money for yourself, you have to earn more than this minimum and be nice to your pimp. At least this works quite well for the Skyrim Mod Maria Eden. - A mod based on this system can then add some radiant quests you get from your pimp But yes I had planned on some form of 'scene-less' tracking of NPC relations. I was also hoping to tap into pregnancy/spunk for possible pregnancy events between NPCs. NPC-NPC pregnancy's can eventually become a problem. Last time I had something like this ( because of an other mod ) all children became mine, whether my char was parent or not. To me it seems offspring does not track the parents and always assume the player is either father or mother. What I would like is to have some portable functions that can be applied to any NPC. Specifically to address a few simple questions. What is the benefit of a pimp? a. Protection through the threat of retaliation, b. Negotiation through the weight of reputation, and c. Access to preferred clientele. What are the pitfalls? a. The lack of economic freedom and/or basic human rights secured by the threat of violence, b. A cycle of forced dependency secured by theft of property and/or encouraged/enabled substance abuse, and c. An increased incidence of violence due to a lack of social value and/or confrontations with competitors or the pimp. Of course there are many more nuances I could get into, but I'm speaking of the superficial things that I can apply practically to the mod. Although, something to consider is how prostitution has historically operated within lawless societies. I picture it functioning more like The Old West as opposed to the modern/mobile streetwalker model. Yeah, that's why I said I was hoping. It would require some kind of lineage tracking within pregnancy/spunk. I remember long ago someone made an orphanage mod for I think Oblivion where you could ditch your unwanted offspring.
7KeysCurtain Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 I have some questions about rape & being rescued, I'm not so clear on the workings around it. For any SOI NPC to be able to rescue you which requirements must be met besides being able to *visibly see the rape taking place? *(Would be interesting if the PC could shout for help with a hotkey and then SOI NPCs within a certain close radius could come to see what's wrong) Do they need to be familiar (or certain relationship level) with the PC to even care? If the rapist has certain traits (like Dominant) does that count? So far with other playthroughs in the past with SOI I haven't had any good samaritans come to my aid even though they clearly see what's happening. Ignored... Rape Incident Example: Followers Fort in Freeside I rescued Bill from being an addict and walked back to the Fort with him. Got back just before nightfall.Once inside and I started walking back to my room he stalked me and waited until I was behind the tents/boxes (out of sight from other SOI NPCs).Bill presented [Rape] and I continued to [Resist] until finally [struggle] and he overpowered me.Seria & Claire (SOI-Renamed) are Followers guards that patrol & walk around the interior of the Fort, they are armed.Eventually their patrol path came across me and Bill and I was happy thinking I'm saved, yes! Wait until Julie Farkas hears about your wrong doing!How ever it's like they don't get paid enough to get a fuck about rape going on within the walls and just continued patrolling like nothing was happening.Bill finished having his way with me and walked away like he is untouchable leaving me on the ground in a puddle of spunk, bad way to say thanks Bill... (See Log) Either the ":fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1" things happened at the worst time for both of the guards or the ":fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA:Same Faction" is also a reason? Can't they rescue the PC regardless of someone in their faction being the rapist? I was no stranger to Seria & Claire I have spoke to them alot and I'm a regular around the fort (RP as a helper for the Followers around Freeside).After what had happen the guards had the guts to start spreading rumors about me and basically Bill was laughing all the way I imagined, I felt terrible and let down.Later on that day Bill raped me again and this time Jacob Hoff (who I also saved from addiction) actually ":fnSOIPkgSet:SOICrowdPC!" and started clapping at my suffering. MFW. Basically I'm not sure why I'm not being rescued, not just in this incident but with other PC/Saves/Playthroughs also. Log: Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:Pursuant!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:TailPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 12Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOITailPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:GetPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 4Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOIGetPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:TailPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 12Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOITailPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:GetPC!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 4Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOIGetPC!fnSOIDialogEval:(Bill Ronte):Says:(340E4A84):To:(Katie)Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIDialogEval:Clear!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Rejected: 24Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Respect: 81Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Respect: 72Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:DomLvl: 125Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIQueue:Action!Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIAction:Sex!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:Flag:Top!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:Flag:Rape!Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:ActorA!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:VirtueCheck!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIMoralsEval:RapeSeria (00124ADC):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA: Bill Ronte (0011779C)Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA:Same FactionSeria (00124ADC):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorB: Katie (00000014)Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIMoralsEval:Rapist:Same FactionSeria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:CYCLE: 27Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:STAGE: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIGainEval:GainLvl: 5Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Nude!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Chest!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Legs!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 29Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 30Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 72Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 10Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 58Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 5Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:VirtueCheck!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:RapeClaire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA: Bill Ronte (0011779C)Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA:Same FactionClaire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorB: Katie (00000014)Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:Rapist:Same FactionClaire (00124ADD):fnSOIMoralsEval:DistanceClaire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:CYCLE: 34Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:STAGE: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIGainEval:GainLvl: 2Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Nude!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Chest!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Legs!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 21Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 40Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 72Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 25Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 65Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 39Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:CYCLE: 28Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:STAGE: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIGainEval:GainLvl: 2Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Nude!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Chest!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Legs!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 30Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 67Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 10Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 59Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 7Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:CYCLE: 35Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:STAGE: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIGainEval:GainLvl: 5Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Nude!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Chest!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Legs!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 30Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 40Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 71Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 25Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 78Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 49Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:CYCLE: 29Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:STAGE: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIGainEval:GainLvl: 3Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Nude!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Chest!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Legs!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy!Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 25Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 30Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 62Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 10Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 61Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 10Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified!Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1 --- Would have been good if either of them afterwards forced me into prostitution / became a Pimp, I really would like to see how the Pimp function in SOI works and what happens.I wonder what requirements make a SOI NPC become or try to Pimp, I guess this is something as made by your last post is to be improved upon or changed, MRM is right about them being very rare. Pimps are almost entirely untested, and I'm not even sure I'll keep them working the same way. Really just a launching point for more work atm. Also I'm sure there are some mistakes in there somewhere.
merryMalfunctioning Posted August 10, 2016 Posted August 10, 2016 Does this work with the NPCs in the DC wasteland with TTW? I've been trying it, and so far it says that every single NPC in Megaton is "excluded".
t3589 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 I have some questions about rape & being rescued, I'm not so clear on the workings around it. For any SOI NPC to be able to rescue you which requirements must be met besides being able to *visibly see the rape taking place? *(Would be interesting if the PC could shout for help with a hotkey and then SOI NPCs within a certain close radius could come to see what's wrong) Do they need to be familiar (or certain relationship level) with the PC to even care? If the rapist has certain traits (like Dominant) does that count? So far with other playthroughs in the past with SOI I haven't had any good samaritans come to my aid even though they clearly see what's happening. Ignored... Rape Incident Example: Followers Fort in Freeside I rescued Bill from being an addict and walked back to the Fort with him. Got back just before nightfall. Once inside and I started walking back to my room he stalked me and waited until I was behind the tents/boxes (out of sight from other SOI NPCs). Bill presented [Rape] and I continued to [Resist] until finally [struggle] and he overpowered me. Seria & Claire (SOI-Renamed) are Followers guards that patrol & walk around the interior of the Fort, they are armed. Eventually their patrol path came across me and Bill and I was happy thinking I'm saved, yes! Wait until Julie Farkas hears about your wrong doing! How ever it's like they don't get paid enough to get a fuck about rape going on within the walls and just continued patrolling like nothing was happening. Bill finished having his way with me and walked away like he is untouchable leaving me on the ground in a puddle of spunk, bad way to say thanks Bill... (See Log) Either the ":fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1" things happened at the worst time for both of the guards or the ":fnSOIMoralsEval:ActorA:Same Faction" is also a reason? Can't they rescue the PC regardless of someone in their faction being the rapist? I was no stranger to Seria & Claire I have spoke to them alot and I'm a regular around the fort (RP as a helper for the Followers around Freeside). After what had happen the guards had the guts to start spreading rumors about me and basically Bill was laughing all the way I imagined, I felt terrible and let down. Later on that day Bill raped me again and this time Jacob Hoff (who I also saved from addiction) actually ":fnSOIPkgSet:SOICrowdPC!" and started clapping at my suffering. MFW. Basically I'm not sure why I'm not being rescued, not just in this incident but with other PC/Saves/Playthroughs also. Log: Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:Pursuant! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:TailPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 12 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOITailPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:GetPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 4 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOIGetPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:TailPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 12 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOITailPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOIPreyScript:GetPC! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:Apply: 4 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPkgSet:SOIGetPC! fnSOIDialogEval:(Bill Ronte):Says:(340E4A84):To:(Katie) Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIDialogEval:Clear! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Rejected: 24 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Respect: 81 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:Respect: 72 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOITrackrAdj:DomLvl: 125 Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIPCID:Identified! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIQueue:Action! Bill Ronte (0011779C):fnSOIAction:Sex! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:Flag:Top! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:Flag:Rape! Bill Ronte (0011779C):SOISexScript:ActorA! Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIPCID:Identified! Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIQueue:VirtueCheck! 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Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 29 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 30 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 72 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 10 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 58 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 5 Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified! Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:VirtueCheck! 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Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Ass! Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Sleazy! Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:Attraction: 25 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIApprncEval:PCAppeal: 23 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCReputation: 1 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:PCInfluence: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Disposition: 23 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Conviction: 91 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Inhibition: 30 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Respect: 62 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Trust: 10 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Envy: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Love: 0 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Desire: 61 Seria (00124ADC):fnSOIAttrbtEval:Lust: 10 Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIPCID:Identified! Claire (00124ADD):fnSOIQueue:Delayed: 1 --- Would have been good if either of them afterwards forced me into prostitution / became a Pimp, I really would like to see how the Pimp function in SOI works and what happens. I wonder what requirements make a SOI NPC become or try to Pimp, I guess this is something as made by your last post is to be improved upon or changed, MRM is right about them being very rare. Pimps are almost entirely untested, and I'm not even sure I'll keep them working the same way. Really just a launching point for more work atm. Also I'm sure there are some mistakes in there somewhere. If they were good aligned, they would have intervened. If they weren't in the same faction as Jacob, they also would have rescued. Those two variables are the reason they didn't act according to the debug. I've toyed with the idea of a 'help' hotkey, but it wouldn't change the assessment. The commotion of a person in distress is already assumed. The distress tracking lasts longer than the actual incident. So for example my PC was once raped in PG territory, blacked out, then somehow managed to crawl home. Upon being spotted naked by the NPCs at the home location, they ran over to console the PC, and provided her with temporary clothing. Whereas if they had spotted her naked any other time they would have confronted her with 'Decency'. I agree they probably should have stepped in, but including them according to the current system would cause other faction neutrals to step in that probably shouldn't. This will require some thought. I'll see what I can come up with. Currently I think only stalkers can become pimps. As I said, it's currently propped up like a placeholder for future construction. Does this work with the NPCs in the DC wasteland with TTW? I've been trying it, and so far it says that every single NPC in Megaton is "excluded". Couldn't really say, as I don't have TTW or FO3 installed. My guess is that auto adds won't work because those factions/NPCs aren't accounted for in this mod. You'll probably have to add them manually. Someone using TTW might be more help.
t3589 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 Okay try the new one. Neutrals should try and rescue now regardless of faction (if they think they can). Needs testing because it may cause NPCs to rescue that probably shouldn't.
BoondockSaint Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 Barton Thorn is now mute when he confronts you after killing the geckos. His vanilla lines are silent ("Sorry, I tricked you..."). I think is because SOI options. Could you check It? Sorry if it's a known issue.
t3589 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 Barton Thorn is now mute when he confronts you after killing the geckos. His vanilla lines are silent ("Sorry, I tricked you..."). I think is because SOI options. Could you check It? Sorry if it's a known issue. It's because I haven't included the voice file copies in the data pack. This is intended ftm. Thanks for the effort though.
Sagebrush61 Posted August 11, 2016 Posted August 11, 2016 I had a date at the Mojave outpost. We danced and when it ended my ladyfriend said [Nightcap?]. Courier said yes and invited her to [Hotel Room] (in the Atomic Wrangler), but nothing happened, no teleport, no date completed, we just stayed in place at the Outpost. NPC continued to cycle and I invited her to Activity - we had booze, did chems and then had a quickie. Didn't seem to break anything, but I don't think that was intended behavior. Nightcaps have worked right for me in the past, but my poor Courier gets so few dates I don't yet know if this was a one time glitch or not. Might bear watching though.
t3589 Posted August 11, 2016 Author Posted August 11, 2016 I had a date at the Mojave outpost. We danced and when it ended my ladyfriend said [Nightcap?]. Courier said yes and invited her to [Hotel Room] (in the Atomic Wrangler), but nothing happened, no teleport, no date completed, we just stayed in place at the Outpost. NPC continued to cycle and I invited her to Activity - we had booze, did chems and then had a quickie. Didn't seem to break anything, but I don't think that was intended behavior. Nightcaps have worked right for me in the past, but my poor Courier gets so few dates I don't yet know if this was a one time glitch or not. Might bear watching though. Should be fixed now. Thanks.
7KeysCurtain Posted August 12, 2016 Posted August 12, 2016 Sharing my custom edited sound effects for anyone that may like them, take it or leave it, sourced from royalty free websites. As a headset user I did this because the current sound files are quite deafening especially the slap sound and the bad white noise in whistle_00. Also fresh after having listen to the current ones for such a long time. SOIntimacy Alternative Sfx (7KC).7z
t3589 Posted August 13, 2016 Author Posted August 13, 2016 Sharing my custom edited sound effects for anyone that may like them, take it or leave it, sourced from royalty free websites. As a headset user I did this because the current sound files are quite deafening especially the slap sound and the bad white noise in whistle_00. Also fresh after having listen to the current ones for such a long time. SOIntimacy Alternative Sfx (7KC).7z Yeah I don't use headphones. Makes it too easy for anyone to sneak up on me and steal my magic bag, because everyone wants it (stop denying it). Well done. I didn't try very hard, I just used the first royalty free sounds I came across so that there would at least be something present. If people are using it and you're okay with it, I have no problem adding it to the OP. One side note that the one you referred to with white noise was meant as an outdoor long distance only whistle. It only occurs on exteriors from farther than 768 I think.
MRM18870 Posted August 13, 2016 Posted August 13, 2016 Not sure if this is a bug, but I stood quite a long time in the prison, NPCs had lot of do activities, do flirt, do stalk etc, but no one approached me. ConsoleOutputFile - 8_13_2016.txt
t3589 Posted August 13, 2016 Author Posted August 13, 2016 Not sure if this is a bug, but I stood quite a long time in the prison, NPCs had lot of do activities, do flirt, do stalk etc, but no one approached me. Not sure. Nothing really stands out. I've added some more debug to the new one. It should now give an abort notice in debug when they refrain from actions due to NPC interactions. If that's what is causing it. Also note that just because debug reports that an NPC has an action, doesn't necessarily guarantee they'll perform said action. Do Actions are not what the NPCs 'must' do. Rather think of them as actions the NPC 'wants' to do.
t3589 Posted August 13, 2016 Author Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) A couple of notes about the latest copy. The appearance variables should be working now for NPCs, both the NX and dialog variables. Those settings will now respect the players appearance settings through the console. So for example when you accentuate an article of clothing that the player is wearing, it will now apply that to any NPC wearing that same item. The apparel quality settings are now individualized too, which also apply as above. Though a side note that the quality of an overall outfit can only be as high as the lowest quality item the PC/NPC is wearing. Granted these settings don't really do anything yet for NPCs. But I plan on using them to add appearance assessments between NPCs. EDIT: Found another mistake in one of the eat activity dialogs. Uploaded fixed copy. EDITx2: Opened pimp dialog up a bit more. There's now a chance to get the offer during activities with a stalker. Requires PC looks like a prostitute (clothes or opinion). Edited August 13, 2016 by t3589
ketiax Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 Question, isn't there a command to set reference's SOIntimacy Attributes? I tried NX_SetEvfl "SOIntimacy:nameattributehere" number after making sure a reference is targeted but it didn't change anything
t3589 Posted August 14, 2016 Author Posted August 14, 2016 Question, isn't there a command to set reference's SOIntimacy Attributes? I tried NX_SetEvfl "SOIntimacy:nameattributehere" number after making sure a reference is targeted but it didn't change anything All of the NX variables are listed in the second post.
t3589 Posted August 14, 2016 Author Posted August 14, 2016 I've been kicking around a few ideas to add more variety to NPC processing. One of those ideas is to possibly add some fetish tracking to proclivities. Figured I'd post while I sip my morning mug and get the community take on it. Something like: ; Specific Apparel Fetish NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Cleavage" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Crotchless" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Dirty" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Heels" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Homely" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:HotPants" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Lingerie" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Nipples" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Rags" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Skimpy" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Skirt" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Swimwear" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Tight" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Underwear" ; Age Fetish NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Young" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Old" ; Race Fetish NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Race" ; Body Fetish NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:EyeColor" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:HairColor" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Prego" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Short" NX_GetEVFl "SOI:Ftsh:Tall" My thoughts are that these would be different than general proclivities, in that they would be more limited in scope. They wouldn't be the kind of fetish an NPC acts out, but rather they would represent sexual qualities that the NPC appreciates through the senses. Further, they would operate more freely in either the positive or negative direction. For example if an NPC has the proclivity for Anal, and the PC accentuates their backside, that NPC will gain more desire towards the PC. But if the PC doesn't accentuate the ass, there's no negative desire applied. On the other hand let's say the NPC has a fetish for tall characters. If the PC is short, negative desire/lust could be applied to hinder/slow advancement. A sort of 'turn on/turn off' factor in other words. Not every NPC would have them, and I'm not sure what would determine them. But it would help to flesh out NPC interactions a bit more. In other words they could be used as another sort of 'tie breaker' to help determine if the NPC likes x NPC better than y NPC or the player. It could also be used to lure NPCs into infidelity as a sort of weakness of theirs. Just an idea I've been entertaining. I don't think they are necessarily needed, but it could go a long way towards fine tuning the reasons that NPCs tend to like or dislike other NPCs and/or the player. The more factors I have to draw from in their assessments of one another, the more variety in outcome. Two cents are welcome.
Sagebrush61 Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 Sounds interesting. Would there be some sort of feedback mechanism so we could get an idea what an NPC likes. For example [sunny Smiles is checking out the Courier's blood-stained machete]. Or, [Easy Pete seems to appreciate Sunny's tight-fitting leathers]. More flavors in the mod are always nice as long as they don't disadvantage the player, I'm still struggling to determine if an acquaintance wants to be a provider or a providee on any given evening. One thing, height fetish sounds interesting but how does New Vegas determine height for the Courier? All my female couriers seem to tower over most females and at least some males. Don't know if it is based upon strength or endurance or if it's just a quirk of the camera perspective. I know that Complex needs has a height attribute in it's menu's but not aware of any similar mechanism in Vanilla Vegas.
t3589 Posted August 14, 2016 Author Posted August 14, 2016 Sounds interesting. Would there be some sort of feedback mechanism so we could get an idea what an NPC likes. For example [sunny Smiles is checking out the Courier's blood-stained machete]. Or, [Easy Pete seems to appreciate Sunny's tight-fitting leathers]. More flavors in the mod are always nice as long as they don't disadvantage the player, I'm still struggling to determine if an acquaintance wants to be a provider or a providee on any given evening. One thing, height fetish sounds interesting but how does New Vegas determine height for the Courier? All my female couriers seem to tower over most females and at least some males. Don't know if it is based upon strength or endurance or if it's just a quirk of the camera perspective. I know that Complex needs has a height attribute in it's menu's but not aware of any similar mechanism in Vanilla Vegas. I don't really like thought bubbles, though some of them are somewhat convenient. I would probably give that info out in a conversation as an example. I stopped adjusting height with IMCNNV, because Sexout doesn't put it back the way it found it, and the PC always comes out of sex as a giant. I instead now use the scale setting in Body Morph which seems to do a better job at keeping the characters height settings. Plus it can be applied to NPCs as well.
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