I'm at Wits end with this CTD garbage

[Ryu Gabriev]

Ok, over the last 2 days I've tried to free up some space with the mods I have, removing extras, updating things and so on... and in the process I've somehow gone from a game needing massive help with TES5edit yet is still functional, to a spick and span yet unplayable POS that's a few hours away from being permanently deleted from my games library.

 

I'm asking the fellows here on LoversLab since I use the Devious Devices series and the Life Another Deviant Life mods, the problem goes something like this:

 

I start a new game, make the character, manage to go through the Mara statue business just fine... and the second I activate the bed I CTD.

 

I've checked my mod lists with BOSS (the newest one), no problems shown.

 

Finally figured out how to clean mods with TES5edit with help from Youtube, everything's clean.

 

Still crashes. And oddly enough I can tell that it's going to do crash where it has been crashing because one or more of the MCM menus for a random mod are unable to be accessed. I can get into the Main Menu for a Mod that's listed, but none of the sub-menus. It just locks up and the only thing i can do is exit out of the whole MCM menu to do anything else. 

 

At first I thought it was the LAL and LADL, so I tried starting a new game without them, it just crashes outright from the loading screen.

 

Please help me fix this or help me with a swift, painless way to remove the data since I've got hundreds of other games to play...

 

...although granted none of them allow me to make a high elf female char just for the sole purpose of watching her squirm and struggle for my amusement, so i'm still siding with a fix if anyone has it.

[Storms of Superior]

Have you tried returning to the MCM after closing the esc menu? I have had some mods take longer to be prepared in the MCM than others, so when I tried to configure them, some could not be accessed. I exited all menus and waited for the slower mods to catch up.

[Ryu Gabriev]

I did, and whichever mods wouldn't open still wouldn't open.

[Calarand]

Try this new miracle tool from nexus: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/? It saved my save after an uninstall gone very wrong, as well as some old, 400-hours playtime saves that kept giving me CTDs. Maybe it will work for you as well.

[Emberheart]

BOSS isn't a surefire way, not all conflicts are always scripts that bump into eachother and conflict either. If mods do not open, disable them, reload them, until all of them are open. Also skip time by 24 hours in the starting room.

 

Did you update SKSE to the new beta? Many mods from here require the test/beta versions of SKSE and not the release candidates. It's not exactly the textbook method to force users to make use of potentially bugged beta's instead of thoroughly tested RC's but the beta's of SKSE seem to have much needed features for these mods.

[Guest xthejester]

I had a similar problem, and for some reason Schongs of Skyrim was the culprit. I discovered this over the course of two days worth of uninstalling a mod and restarting the game...mod by mod. When I got to SOS...after I uninstalled it...I stopped getting CTD. I reinstalled it, and no more CTD either.

 

I have no clue why it happened or how uninstalling/reinstalling SOS worked to fix the problem though.

[Emberheart]

SOS can cause some issues sometimes, including random displacing of vertexes causing strange squares and stretched polygons to fill the screen when a nude Schlong is nearby. Reinstalling helps also, as does the bending bug fix.

[Wolfoftheshadows]

SOS can lead to some problems, but usually if it's loaded before everything it works just fine and I haven't really run into problems recently with it, but when it comes to updating, it's not always a good thing because some mods run off older versions of other mods like LAL and LADL. You have to have an older version of LAL for LADL to work or it wont. If you're crashing before the main menu, TESVEDIT will be able to tell you what's not loading right. If you're crashing when you're in the game, that's probably mods clashing with each other. The problems could be pretty much a lot of things, but once it's narrowed it's easy to fix most of the time.

[Ryu Gabriev]

Actually the crash occurs after I get into the bed just before the loadup into the section of the game I've selected, OR in the case of a regular New Game right as the loading screen is disappearing.

 

EDIT: I just tried disabling SOS to see if that would work. I did finally get to access all the MCM menus, but the crashes still occured at the usual area in LAL.

[Ryu Gabriev]

Gentlemen, ladies, neutrals, I quit.

 

I just spent the last 5 hours trying to figure out which mod was the weak link. The crashes just kept on coming.

 

I even purged all save files, and tried using the original launcher with NO MODS at all. It crashed.

So thanks for the help, but I've got better things to do then slowly go grey haired from trying futilly to repair a useless program.

[Guest]

Gentlemen, ladies, neutrals, I quit.

 

I just spent the last 5 hours trying to figure out which mod was the weak link. The crashes just kept on coming.

 

I even purged all save files, and tried using the original launcher with NO MODS at all. It crashed.

So thanks for the help, but I've got better things to do then slowly go grey haired from trying futilly to repair a useless program.

 

Hope you didn't delete your Skyrim yet. One suggestion, try to move your Data/scripts folder somewhere else and start the game. Then, we can proceed to reinstall any mod that you find suspicious to narrow down the murderer (of your game).

[Karin]

Maybe you remove mistake important file,best solution here is unistal skyrim,delete skyrim folder and skyrim folder in My Documents / My Games.And do fresh instal.

[Shaydow]

Did you try the steps I outlined here? :

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/22019-shaydows-guide-to-troubleshooting-ctds/?do=findComment&comment=542499

[TheOzoneHole]

Gentlemen, ladies, neutrals, I quit.

 

I just spent the last 5 hours trying to figure out which mod was the weak link. The crashes just kept on coming.

 

I even purged all save files, and tried using the original launcher with NO MODS at all. It crashed.

So thanks for the help, but I've got better things to do then slowly go grey haired from trying futilly to repair a useless program.

 

Ryu, I feel your pain; what I might advise (if you haven't done this already), is to clear your Skyrim folder as Karin said and re-download a clean copy of the game from Steam and then make a back up of that on an external hard drive or something so you don't have to wait through the Steam download again. The problems you're having could be simply coming from an overly full Skyrim folder, adding and not fully removing mods (and we all do it), that junk just weights down the game, scripts particular.  Good luck, and come back to the elf torture as soon as you feel up to it (those elves deserve all the torture they get  ).

[gvman3670]

Just install Mod Organizer and start using that. Then you'll never need to reinstall the game again. Never. And you'll be glad you did since it's such a wonderful tool. It will even allow multiple profiles/characters that can be played with a different set of mods if you want.

[Sweatington]

Just install Mod Organizer and start using that. Then you'll never need to reinstall the game again. Never. And you'll be glad you did since it's such a wonderful tool. It will even allow multiple profiles/characters that can be played with a different set of mods if you want.

 

Do this if you gonna be modding over 100+ mods into your game. All other mod managers are totally useless, trust me.

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You first have to learn what your PC can do if its capble run skyrim then is it a install from 1 month ago or year ago 2 years ago?

 

Have you updated everything to latest drivers?

 

DXenduser installed?

 

What programs run in background?

 

Loadorder or we CAN'T help.

 

So many reason why it can crash.

 

Do you use SKSE BOSS TES5EDIT and the mem patch?

 

skse 1.7 or ssme will help must install.

 

Tutorials how all works with skyrim and mods.

 

Good luck.

 

Oh wait, you already have everything uninstalled nevermind then.

 

Only if you realy don't know what your doing i suggest NMM not MO btw also not a must, but very handy.

 

You can't just install skyrim drop some mods in the game and go its not a console.

[4nk8r]

If you're using HDT, I just went through my own little hell with CTD's and tracked it down to misbehaving HDT objects.  I had an NPC armor mesh that was missing the proper mesh blocks necessary for HDT to work (based on hdtPhysicsExtensions.log output).  I did a console removeitem of the HDT Havok Object from the NPC's inventory, saved and reloaded the game so everything started up clean.  That seemed to do the trick.  I'd been trying all sorts of ini changes, ENB memory hacks and alpha SKSE memory patches to no avail (though they all did have their own contributions to performance and aesthetics).  As a result, I have a better understanding of how Skyrim and the video drivers handle memory (if you like HD textures, look into using ENBOOST).

 

There is a successor to BOSS, called LOOT (was going to be BOSS 3.0).  I've used BOSS a bit but the masterlist order never seemed to jive with expected behavior I was seeing in game after sorting.  I used TES5EDIT to figure out the proper load order and even built a merged patch, though I still had to toss some mods after the merged patch to get the game behavior I wanted.  The merged patch required some manual conflict resolution, so I wouldn't suggest this path unless you're willing to read the TES5EDIT documentations (there are some good vids on youtube).  Mileage may vary, but TES5EDIT was instrumental in getting my game to behave the way I wanted...I even went so far as to ESMify a couple of ESP's so I could load them before the USKP patches (which are also ESMified ESPs) due to the way things were being overridden (merged patch was requiring too much manual reconciliation).  Wrye Bash was helpful as well with modifying the ESP flags to ESM, though there are other ways.

 

TES5EDIT can be used to simply figure out if any of your mods are in conflict (just watch the log screen on the right as the mods load).  Again, watch some youtube vids on how to use it.  It's worth the time spent.

 

Pretty much the best guide I've found for Skyrim stability: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/50244/

 

There are some others that delve deeper into ENB configurations, but use this one first to get your game stable.

 

Edit: Sorry, I was half asleep when I posted this...don't bother with cleaning mods until you have no errors at loading.  You could be missing a prerequisite for another mod, or have something completely in the wrong order.  Also be aware that cleaning some mods, even those with dirty edits, can break them.  Don't clean the vanilla Skyrim files.  You will break something.

 

As for crashes after mod uninstall, you're either leaving behind some scripts or you've damaged something of the vanilla game.  To get back to a clean install, duplicate your Data directory somewhere else, disable/uninstall all of your mods via your mod manager and then wipe the entire contents except for the following files and directories:

 

Directories:

Interface

Strings

Video

 

Files:

Dawnguard.bsa
Dawnguard.esm
HighResTexturePack01.bsa
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.bsa
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.bsa
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Skyrim - Animations.bsa
Skyrim - Interface.bsa
Skyrim - Meshes.bsa
Skyrim - Misc.bsa
Skyrim - Shaders.bsa
Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
Skyrim - Textures.bsa
Skyrim - Voices.bsa
Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa
Skyrim.esm
Update.bsa
Update.esm
 

Now go to Steam and click "Verify integrity of game cache..." under the Local Files tab in Skyrim's Properties window.  This will check all the vanilla game files with Steam and download anything that doesn't match.  It is for certain going to download a new steam_api.dll, but hopefully will restore any of the files you may have cleaned with TES5EDIT (don't clean the vanilla files).

 

After that is done, you should be able to launch a new vanilla game...don't try and load your old saves you might have.  Install your mods one at a time (start with LAL and its prereqs).  Start a new game each time and make sure you can get past the bed, until you get all the mods installed that you want to use together.

[Ryu Gabriev]

Well ironically, you were closer than you think. I've since discovered that it was the All in One HDT that I had that was causing all the headaches...still though the total deletion and reinstall was necessary for me...game plays great now, and I've found I don't need as many mods as I thought I did. However I've got another, thankfully minor problem.

 

I use Live a Deviant Life, and the mod DOES WORK, however, I got some Bodyslide sets for use with Devious Devices /HDT effects, and now when I choose the hardest option for LADL, shen the game fully loads up and all the gear appears...the body of the character goes horribly askew, while all the gear is in it's proper place.

 

I can guess it's a problem with the skin...but not much else. Otherwise the game is fully stable.

[MasterVampire]

Here is what I did to fix my crashing.

Open TES3EDIT

Load all your mods.

Click apply filter.

Wait for it to finish.

Then I disabled some mods which had both a red line and red text (im guessing those are bad errors)
After that no more crashing.

[Ryu Gabriev]

Ok, honestly, I don't know what super modding skills you guys have to reccomend Mod Organizer, but in my hands it was more retarded than a tightly packed short bus. I'm sticking with NMM, at least IT dosn't screw up the registry somehow making it impossible to use FNIS.

[gvman3670]

MO doesn't do anything to the registry that makes it impossible to use FNIS. You simply install FNIS, set it as an executable binary inside of MO and launch it from MO. That's it. Super easy.

 

For that matter, you can also manually install FNIS into the Skyrim folder, set it as an executable in MO and run it from inside of MO. That works as well.

 

There's a Mod Organizer thread in the Skyrim Non-adult Mods subforum with all the tips and tricks you could ever need. I can assure you, though, that if you do go to using NMM you'll just be uninstalling and reinstalling Skyrim again eventually. So I'd suggest not going that route. MO isn't difficult to use at all. If you have problems with it just ask them in the MO thread and you'll have an answer quickly.

[Ryu Gabriev]

I did, and the first time I tried it out I get some wacky error saying there was no Skyrim install path in the Registry, I've removed, redownloaded,and reinstalled FNIS THREE TIMES tonight. And it's still giving that error. The bleeping thing worked fine yesterday, before I tried MO.

 

Furthermore, I tried installing mods( the Devious Devices series) through MO and it's like many of the parts of the mods suddenly went missing when I tried to play. Error upon error upon error.

[D_ManXX2]

what operating system are you using and how and where did you install MO ?? Are you using mo with admin rights ??

[gvman3670]

Ahh, simple fix. Should've given some details here, man.

 

If it's a brand new install and the first time you try launching it you try launching from MO you won't even have a registry entry because it was never launched. Go into the normal, vanilla Skyrim launcher and start the game from there once so it makes a registry entry then you should be good to go with launching SKSE from inside of MO.