problem with nexus?

[Poontank]

Then I'm happy that I'm one of less equal animals than others.

Indeed. At first I was oblivious (giggle) to the true nature of that community and totally motivated to participate.

Even after getting banned for the very same username I now have on here - 'inappropriate' and 'vulgar' over there - I didn't want to accept the fact they never were worth the time and trouble' date=' so I actually [i']apologized[/i] and got reinstated.

 

For two and a half months I tried to be a good community member. Posting five funny pictures a day, endorsing files and writing nice comments. During that time I especially endorsed Yuravica who had released a ton of great remodeled vanilla Oblivion gear. Made some friends, helped bugfixing a mod release (I have that one still installed for nostalgia reasons) even got some kudos points for trying to help out other users...

 

All of a sudden I got banhammered out of the blue, for one of the first pictures I posted on the site. For almost three months nobody cared about it or seemed to find it objectionable, and yet I didn't just get neither strike nor warning but only an abrasive comment by one of the worst modeRATS they have, the mighty Buttah himself. My appeal got turned down because this time I didn't beg on my knees to get reinstated but simply stated the fact that I found their decision wrong and my ban unjustified.

 

And from that moment on the time sink that was caring for community membership on that site was gone. Suddenly I had all the time to involve myself in a more deserving and honest community instead. LL. So in all actuality I should be grateful I got removed from that site, being active on there was a big mistake from the start. I must thank them for finally opening my eyes to their rotten ways.

[lemonbalm]

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/888969-thunderboltprower-banned/

 

I wonder if this means if someone wants to, for example, change their username, that it won't be allowed now even if they properly request their old account be closed. Seems to be getting worse over there with their "new moderation system."

[creolerose]

I had no idea that Nexus was that bad. I have seen it come up before while searching for mods, but I never joined or looked at anything over there. I always seem to find my answers elsewhere I don't know if anyone has ever encountered this before, but has their ever been any modders who try to intentionally set up nice/innocent members/modders to get banned? I asked because someone I know pretty well recently told me about an incident there but I just thought it couldn't have been as bad as he was saying that it was, I was wrong.

[Grumpf]

Well shoot and maybe it'll ring a bell to someone. But as far as I'm concerned the big issue with the Nexus is some of it's moderators not the modders...

[DasVonAlbatross]

I don't know if it's just me, but if you're not premium you'll download EXTREMELY slow. Also, pretty high chance it just derps out on you and corrupts. Thought it was my internet, but here it works fine.

[Grumpf]

Mmm a new unreliable connection in order to force you to use the useless NMM perhaps?

No, let's not exaggerate in paranoia here...

[Arethiel]

I use NMM from Nexus if only to have something to easily manage my mods (since most come from Nexus) and because I never can get Wrye Bash to not break my game.

 

Anyways it works like this at Nexus: If you don't suck the Leader's and his associates dick, you get banned. Hence, lots of leechers because no one can be bothered to do that.

 

I must wonder though, with the advent of Steam Workshop, the Nexus mods' heavy handedness, and some mods being Workshop exclusives, maybe Nexus' popularity will be diminished not that I actually use or like Workshop.

[Grumpf]

Well as soon as Ashal's ready for our migration to the new forum layout we can also try to take our role in the competition

 

Problem will be how to be less "adult adds" wich, unfortunately is a detterent for most users. But if we host a lot of mods and direct more traffic here, we may be able to attract gaming sponsors that will pay our bills...

[Jexsam]

I'd bet money that as long as we continue to host things like Sexout Breeder, Children of the Sky, and that Yii's Techniques lolicon thing, we'll never get any gaming sponsors that are worth a damn. Nobody's going to want to touch a place that openly hosts child porn and hardcore bestiality. And as much as I'd love to see the loli shit taken off here, removing it for the sake of traffic and add revenue isn't the right way to go (unless the alternative is closing LL, anyway).

[gregathit]

I'd bet money that as long as we continue to host things like Sexout Breeder' date=' Children of the Sky, and that Yii's Techniques lolicon thing, we'll never get any gaming sponsors that are worth a damn. Nobody's going to want to touch a place that openly hosts child porn and hardcore bestiality. And as much as I'd love to see the loli shit taken off here, removing it for the sake of traffic and add revenue isn't the right way to go (unless the alternative is closing LL, anyway).

[/quote']

 

 

Yea, removing creature sex just guts lovers with PK, sexout and development of skyrim sex mods.

 

This is what wolflore did and why lovers lab came to be.

 

As to child porn, we don't have that here. There is no child sex on this site per the rules. Having child armors and bodies isn't the same thing as child porn.

[rylasasin]

I'd bet money that as long as we continue to host things like Sexout Breeder' date=' Children of the Sky, and that Yii's Techniques lolicon thing, we'll never get any gaming sponsors that are worth a damn. Nobody's going to want to touch a place that openly hosts child porn and hardcore bestiality. And as much as I'd love to see the loli shit taken off here, removing it for the sake of traffic and add revenue isn't the right way to go (unless the alternative is closing LL, anyway).

[/quote']

 

 

Yea, removing creature sex just guts lovers with PK, sexout and development of skyrim sex mods.

 

This is what wolflore did and why lovers lab came to be.

 

As to child porn, we don't have that here. There is no child sex on this site per the rules. Having child armors and bodies isn't the same thing as child porn.

 

well, maybe unintentionally there is.

 

IE, LoverswithPK while running any oblivion child mod. Or any X117 mod.

 

But then again the same could be done with Sexlivion, so it's not actually the fault of L /w PK.

[gregathit]

Well of course someone can manipulate anything they want to. That is in no way a reflection of what lovers or sexout or any other plugin here.

 

Now x117 was never a "little child" mod that I was ever aware of. It was merely a short race. There isn't a default body to x117 but rather height and width settings. If you have a drma body installed then you'll have short huge knockered chicks running around. It is the end user that determines things and not the sex system.

[Dex Luther]

I've skimmed through the million (lol) pages in this thread, and I've got to say I agree with the general feeling. I went into the chat to ask for help about something and got inundated with asshole-ish comments instead of actually helping me.

 

I think their biggest problem is that they got too big for their britches and now drunk with power.

 

The best way of dealing with them is like going through the bad part of town. Get in, get what you need, get out as fast as possible, and always keep your eyes down.

[leddis3]

Part of the reason the nexus became so draconian is because of their gaming sponsors.

I don't want to see that happen here, or lose access to the creature mods damnit.

 

I don't see why the adult ads would be that much of a deterrent anyway, no more so than the obnoxious ads on the nexus.

Also don't think for a minute that adult ads are more at risk of spreading viruses, yeah LL had one problem with this a month or so ago, but the nexus has had it happen numerous times with their ads and they were a lot slower to respond.

[Grumpf]

The best way of dealing with them is like going through the bad part of town. Get in' date=' get what you need, get out as fast as possible, and always keep your eyes down.

[/quote']

Yet another way to describe it efficiently. Agreed. Except it's also the only place where it's worthy to sell your drugs so you also have to deal with locals if you want your stuff on the street...

[Dex Luther]

The best way of dealing with them is like going through the bad part of town. Get in' date=' get what you need, get out as fast as possible, and always keep your eyes down.

[/quote']

Yet another way to describe it efficiently. Agreed. Except it's also the only place where it's worthy to sell your drugs so you also have to deal with locals if you want your stuff on the street...

 

True. Then again you can stick your mod on their site and never come back again, and they wouldn't care even if your mod was popular and eventually needed updating.

 

There's so much content on their site, especially armor mods, that are practically unusable anymore because they require other mods, which have been updated over time, and the author is gone and doesn't give a sh*t. But Nexus does nothing about it. The author's IP is SOOOO much more important even though all they did was stick parts of 3 other mods together.

 

I tried suggesting some sort of 'adopt a mod' system to breathe life into mods who's owners have abandoned them, but they wanted nothing to do with it.

[Grumpf]

Yup. Bethesda created the game, the world owes you nothing. Now, I'm pleased that most people will simply respect someone's else work. I'm glad to see total anarchy didn't take control. On the other hand let's not forget whatever you publish on the Net escapes you immediately and by definition: a mod is property of the game creator no matter what...

 

So what happened to adopt a mod idea then?

[Dex Luther]

So what happened to adopt a mod idea then?

 

Nothing. That about sums it up. Updating a mod that has been abandoned because the author posted the mod a year ago and hasn't been active since is apparently stealing. I see it more as a neighbor mowing your lawn and taking your mail in while you're away. When/if the mod author returns, his mod would at least be updated so he won't be flooded with update requests.

 

They even blocked me at pretty much every turn as I asked for help in trying to fix one mod I wanted to use for myself, which is what ultimately led me here.

[leddis3]

I've often said that the nexus breeds an environment of modder self entitlement.

 

Now let me stress once again that as a failed modder myself I truly appreciate the effort and skill that goes into modding, but acting like mods are sacred cows that need permission in triplicate to ever change or allowing premadonnas to yank their mods at any time with a patronising "please respect that" message is just going too far.

 

No, I don't respect that. You put the mod up for the public, you have no right to act like a princess because suddenly something happened you don't like!

 

Of course I don't want it to be a free for all either, but this is a situation where either extreme is bad.

[Dex Luther]

I've often said that the nexus breeds an environment of modder self entitlement.

 

Now let me stress once again that as a failed modder myself I truly appreciate the effort and skill that goes into modding' date=' but acting like mods are sacred cows that need permission in triplicate to ever change or allowing premadonnas to yank their mods at any time with a patronising "please respect that" message is just going too far.

 

No, I don't respect that. You put the mod up for the public, you have no right to act like a princess because suddenly something happened you don't like!

 

Of course I don't want it to be a free for all either, but this is a situation where either extreme is bad.

[/quote']

 

I agree, which is why in my 'adopt a mod' idea thread I specifically stated that a mod would only be up for adoption when the user who uploaded it was inactive for a certain period of time. There would be a list where abandoned mods and mods who's authors can't maintain it anymore would be listed.

 

People could go through the list and adopt mods they want to take over, but would then have a few days (maybe a week) to issue an update to the mod otherwise it returns to the orphanage.

 

Then people complained about if the mod author came back blah blah blah. They'd rather have abandoned outdated mods uselessly taking up space on their servers.

[Grumpf]

Indeed. Another thing is that if you look at the number of downloads of my credits.txt you'll see a ratio of 0.05% compared to the main files... Well I wanted to credit the people that helped me, of course, and also the modders from which I used the resources. And I did, in a good way like in here:

 

So this was more a social experiment: I pay my respect by crediting the others that helped me but nobody gives a shit, let's face it. Now, on the other hand you have a .txt file should you want to use those resources for yourself so you can find them.

 

But let's be frank: When I use a little belt coming from a special clothing and this belt was adapted from an armor by another guy that uses a texture from another guy. The last "modder" asked for me to credit everyone in creation for that. Answer is simply NO. I took your belt as it allows me to gain 1 hour, I'd say so and your sources are your problem now. I could have done it myself, it's nice, it's not that special; deal with it. Now, when I have someone like Diane that gave me several lands and furnished cells, that's another story.

 

So am I going to credit Bethesda and the Yost group? No, they create tools, I'm not going to credit my Mom for creating me, it's not the Oscars here folks!

 

So the issue about "claiming" is also a question of modder "rank". If that seems a bit pompous and pretentious it's because it is

 

You have modified a sword handle so now it's shiny? Good for you but don't exaggerate little Padawan, the modding path has just appeared for you and if someone else uses it you should feel honored (for the record it's the case in 90% from experience)...

[Arethiel]

I feel too that if you look at the very successful and most well respected modders adopt the Wrye attitude and Cathedral view. At least from what I can tell.

 

On an off topic note, I love it when CK crashes for no reason.

[astymma]

I've often said that the nexus breeds an environment of modder self entitlement.

 

See, my view is that this thread is a perfect example of user entitlement gone seriously wrong. But... I'm a biased modder. Users don't want rationalism from me, they just want more mods.

[leddis3]

I've often said that the nexus breeds an environment of modder self entitlement.

 

See' date=' my view is that this thread is a perfect example of user entitlement gone seriously wrong. But... I'm a biased modder. Users don't want rationalism from me, they just want more mods.

[/quote']

 

It's not entitlement to expect modders not to be petulant, and expect mod sites not to be draconian about long abandoned mods who's potential has been wasted.

 

If a modder wants to quit that's their perogative, but I draw the line at taking your toys and going home - that's just petty. Who in the end benefits from the withdrawal of a mod from the public? Nobody. Unless of course it's for a very good reason, such as a broken mod that needs to be fixed and is better off not being distributed.

 

Oh and just to be clear I fully support modders who want to control the distribution of their mods, like only on the nexus or only on steam or only on LL. Their mod, their rules. However, leaving the modding scene and withdrawing access to mods entirely is what I am against, and what the nexus supports so it doesn't offend it's special snowflakes even when it ultimately harms them.

 

I've seen ex-modders turn up here, yelling at people for uploading their old mods that are otherwise inaccessible anywhere. Nobody can have it anymore because they say so. I'm sorry, that attitude disgusts me. It's childish and self-destructive.

[astymma]

It's not entitlement to expect modders not to be petulant' date=' and expect mod sites not to be draconian about long abandoned mods who's potential has been wasted.

 

If a modder wants to quit that's their perogative, but I draw the line at taking your toys and going home - that's just petty. Who in the end benefits from the withdrawal of a mod from the public? Nobody. Unless of course it's for a very good reason, such as a broken mod that needs to be fixed and is better off not being distributed.

 

Oh and just to be clear I fully support modders who want to control the distribution of their mods, like only on the nexus or only on steam or only on LL. Their mod, their rules. However, leaving the modding scene and withdrawing access to mods entirely is what I am against, and what the nexus supports so it doesn't offend it's special snowflakes even when it ultimately harms them.

 

I've seen ex-modders turn up here, yelling at people for uploading their old mods that are otherwise inaccessible anywhere. Nobody can have it anymore because they say so. I'm sorry, that attitude disgusts me. It's childish and self-destructive.

[/quote']

 

I understand where you're coming from (after all, every modder is a user too) but I disagree with your basic premise. The premise that a persons IP belongs in any way to the individuals of a community or to the community itself is self-entitlement. The "belongs to the community" argument behind that is is an individuals self-entitlement being masked by an attempt to appeal to community support. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with that view, but it's my view. For me, IP belongs to the creator and any restrictions they place on their IP should be respected. The amount of content lost to communities due to modders leaving because their rights to their content were not being respected FAR exceeds the amount of content lost due to modders abandoning their content. Do I like it when either happen? Nope, sure don't... as a user it's annoying to see content disappear from the community. However, I think that a creator's rights over their IP outweighs the needs of a community to have access to that IP. Again, a belief I don't expect a lot of people to agree with. But hey, to me when I see users whining about not having access to something any more.. I view that as petulant, self-entitled crying. What's the difference between a creator taking their toys and going home and a user crying because they can't play with it any more? People seem to think they have some sort of right to own/play/copy/use things... I don't think they do. But, with that said, I fully expect the typical LL user to disagree with that sentiment and I realize, in todays self-entitled society, that view is increasingly seen as outdated or outmoded.