Apropos

[egon123]

Just for grins, can you try a new character, say in the Life Another Life starting cell ("Prison Cell") ?

 thats just what I did

 

it was the .1 log

[gooser]

 

Just for grins, can you try a new character, say in the Life Another Life starting cell ("Prison Cell") ?

 thats just what I did

 

it was the .1 log

 

 

Ok, but that did not have debug and trace enabled.

[egon123]

 

 

Just for grins, can you try a new character, say in the Life Another Life starting cell ("Prison Cell") ?

 thats just what I did

 

it was the .1 log

 

 

Ok, but that did not have debug and trace enabled.

 

The funny part is, I had it enabled. Debug was already checked and I checked trace.

Looks like it doesnt register it correctly. When this log has also functions of older versions that are not in anymore (versions that save never saw), then I'm going to doublecheck if there are any scripts left after deinstall that could mess things up.

 

Edith:

sooo, installed Apropos new. removed every script with its name. Made a new game (Life another Life), made sure debug (witch was enabled by default) and trace and let the animation run.

Still not much in the log oO'

No massages for masturbating either.

mmh..

 

Edith 2:

New run on the older safe. Clean safe with SaveTool. Debug and Trace enabled.

Normal Sex looks fine so far. Masturbating same case as with the new game. Dont know how the trace should looks like exactly but at the masturbating event its pretty emtpy :/

For some reason the "ERROR: Array index 1 is out of range (0-0)" in the papyrus log jumps into my eyes.

Hope we can pin it down somehow. 

 

And last but not least the Bear/Cat Crash. Same Safe as above. Just run to the next bear

First try no problem. Second crash at Orgasm ( ) Crashed at the moment the last massage in the log should show up. Its in the log couldnt see it ingame.

 

.0 New Game (masturbating)

.1 oldgame with clean safe (Sex + masturbating)

.2 Bear Crash

 

Thats many logs now Maybe its an error on my side (what I believe). But if not then I hope it is somehow useful.

 

PS: Tell me if there are still entrys from older versions in the log. Then I have to go on a Ghost-hunt to see why he knows from things he cant know.

[ValdyrT13]

Pretty cool mod; definitely brings more of a descriptive aspect to the sexier side of Skyrim. Is there any sort of regression back to a better state of orifice, or do you need to reset it manually every time? Would be kind of nice if there were a regression after a configurable amount of hours/days/weeks. If no sex in [time] then reduce state by 1. That sort of thing. Not a modder myself, so I have no idea if it's even remotely close to that.

[gooser]

Pretty cool mod; definitely brings more of a descriptive aspect to the sexier side of Skyrim. Is there any sort of regression back to a better state of orifice, or do you need to reset it manually every time? Would be kind of nice if there were a regression after a configurable amount of hours/days/weeks. If no sex in [time] then reduce state by 1. That sort of thing. Not a modder myself, so I have no idea if it's even remotely close to that.

 

The mod already does this, look under MCM for Apropos - Wear and Tear

 

Wear and Tear Degrade Factor

 

lets you specify a factor for degrading the W&T of all areas back to normal state. If you specify a value of 1.0 here it is a linear progression with time. Values over 1.0 introduce an exponential degrade. Basically with factor > 1.0 - you heal faster the longer you abstain.

 

Frequency of Wear Tear Degrade

 

Let you specify at what frequency the degradation equation runs. Default - every 12 game hours.

[egon123]

Pretty cool mod; definitely brings more of a descriptive aspect to the sexier side of Skyrim. Is there any sort of regression back to a better state of orifice, or do you need to reset it manually every time? Would be kind of nice if there were a regression after a configurable amount of hours/days/weeks. If no sex in [time] then reduce state by 1. That sort of thing. Not a modder myself, so I have no idea if it's even remotely close to that.

 

The W&T degrade automatically over time. You can choose how fast and in what factor.

 

Edith: To slow... ^^

[gooser]

Thanks though. It's good there are others helping.

 

Incidentally, i did find a logic bug with masturbation. Fixed and now testing. Decauk provided me an update to the db so I will probably do a build tonight. I think it will fairly minor and support in-place update without needing clean save upgrade. \o/

[egon123]

Thanks though. It's good there are others helping.

 

Incidentally, i did find a logic bug with masturbation. Fixed and now testing. Decauk provided me an update to the db so I will probably do a build tonight. I think it will fairly minor and support in-place update without needing clean save upgrade. \o/

Well, it's one of my favorite mods, sooo...

 

Thats good news! Was a bit worried what would case that in my game ^^

I'm glad this many logs helped somehow

 

I will continue to observe the cat/bear problem. So far this two are the only what cause an problem.

 

Edith: Never visit a Jarl at night to complete a quest.

Seems like NPC/NPC could also crash. (log attached)

 

[gooser]

Just uploaded a new version, changes:

 

• AnimationPatchups:
• - Remove Anal and add Vaginal to HorseDoggyStyle.
• - Remove Giant and add Lurker to Lurker animations.
• - Remove Vaginal from LurkerHolding.
• - Add Handjob to LurkerHolding.
• Fix helper methods to support masturbation.
• A little refactoring in AproposDescriptionDb.psc.
• Fix bug with Masturbation, add HandJob creature support for holding animations (e.g. Giant).
• (Decauk) Add Draugr Anal, Horse Anal, Giant Handjob and Lurker Handjob descriptions.
• (Decauk) Fix WearTearIncreased messages to be less contextual with previous sexlab animations.

 

Upgrade process:

 

From 20140929 to 20140930:

- Probably in-place upgrade should suffice. Pay attention that the "Apropos Upgraded ..." message is displayed when loading your save though.

 

[gooser]

Some masturbation in game:

[egon123]

Did a fast testrun.

Old safe with in-place upgrade. Testet male an female. Works! Good Job!

[egon123]

I'm still on that CTD Problem. Here more infos:

 

Before I upgraded to 2014-09-26 I had 2014-03-07 running. No problems with this old version.

It started for me with 2014-09-26. Happens with all versions since. 

Its the only mod that I changed that is SL related. In fact, the crash appears when the massage should show up. You can see it in the log, but not ingame since you are back to the desktop before it can appear.

Sometimes it crashes at the first stage, sometimes later at the orgamsm. Or between. Everytime in that moment when the massage should show up. (when the stage change, you have a bit of an delay before the massage shows up. Stage switches fine its the second when the massage should come)

 

Happens so far for Cats and Bears. Tested Bear rape and consensual. Cat just rape since I didn't saw one the last time to test consensual.

Wolf, Canine, Draugr, Horse, Spider, Giant,, Werewolf, Troll and Dragon works fine so far.

Giant, Werewolf, Spider and Troll just testet once. 

 

In one case I posted it crashes at NPC/NPC (Happens every time in this scenario). But wasn't repeatable in another scenario. In 1 of 4 scenarios NPC/NPC was triggert a ctd happens. So I don't think yet this was apropos related. Isn't that easy to repeat as Cats and Bears.

 

Tests all on one safe which was upgraded from 2014-03-07 via Clean-safe and safetool.

When I have the time, I will try on a new game and search for a bear to see what happen.

 

Logs with Bear-ctd under 2014-09-30

 

Edith: Second log (.1) same scenario but bear/npc. Just used matchmaker on an npc instead of my char just for the test. 

 

Tests under Sexlab 1.57 and 1.59b.

jContainers 3.1.0 and Sexlab Aroused 2014-01-24.

[gooser]

I'm still on that CTD Problem. Here more infos:

 

Before I upgraded to 2014-09-26 I had 2014-03-07 running. No problems with this old version.

It started for me with 2014-09-26. Happens with all versions since. 

Its the only mod that I changed that is SL related. In fact, the crash appears when the massage should show up. You can see it in the log, but not ingame since you are back to the desktop before it can appear.

Sometimes it crashes at the first stage, sometimes later at the orgamsm. Or between. Everytime in that moment when the massage should show up. (when the stage change, you have a bit of an delay before the massage shows up. Stage switches fine its the second when the massage should come)

 

Happens so far for Cats and Bears. Tested Bear rape and consensual. Cat just rape since I didn't saw one the last time to test consensual.

Wolf, Canine, Draugr, Horse, Spider, Giant,, Werewolf, Troll and Dragon works fine so far.

Giant, Werewolf, Spider and Troll just testet once. 

 

In one case I posted it crashes at NPC/NPC (Happens every time in this scenario). But wasn't repeatable in another scenario. In 1 of 4 scenarios NPC/NPC was triggert a ctd happens. So I don't think yet this was apropos related. Isn't that easy to repeat as Cats and Bears.

 

Tests all on one safe which was upgraded from 2014-03-07 via Clean-safe and safetool.

When I have the time, I will try on a new game and search for a bear to see what happen.

 

Logs with Bear-ctd under 2014-09-30

 

Edith: Second log (.1) same scenario but bear/npc. Just used matchmaker on an npc instead of my char just for the test. 

 

Tests under Sexlab 1.57 and 1.59b.

jContainers 3.1.0 and Sexlab Aroused 2014-01-24.

 

Can't seem to reproduce. 

 

Yours:

 

 

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:40PM] AproposDescriptions.DisplayFemaleActorCreatureVaginalDescriptions(animation=BearDoggystyle,creature=Bear,isPrimaryActorVictim=False,activeActor=Höhlenbär,primaryFemaleActor=Juley,effectiveVoice=1st Person,isOrgasm=False,displayVirginityLost=False)

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:40PM] Apropos.GetAproposActor(Actor=Juley)

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:40PM] SexLab.GetSkill(Juley, Vaginal) = 1

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:41PM] AproposDescriptionDb.RetrieveDescription(animation=BearDoggystyle,subjectPrefix=femaleActor,partner=Bear,isActorVictim=False,isOrgasm=False,sexPart=Vaginal,narrativeVoice=1st Person)

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:41PM] AproposDescriptionDb.GetStringFromArray() returning: I feel pawing at my rear as the {ACTIVE} moves to mount me. This is it...

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:41PM] TokenNames : {ACTIVE},{ASS},{BEAST},{BITCH},{BOOBS},{BUGCOCK},{COCK},{CREAM},{CUM},{DEAD},{FAROUSAL},{FUCKING},{FUCKS},{FUCK},{HEAVING},{HUGE},{JUICY},{MAROUSAL},{MOUTH},{PRIMARY},{PUSSY},{READINESS},{SALTY},{SLIMY},{SLOPPY},{SOLID},{STRAPON},{TASTY},{THICK},{VILE},{WHORE},{WTVAGINAL}

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:41PM] TokenValues : Höhlenbär,back-door,thick,cum dump,breasts,organ,penis,pussy juice,jism,diseased,quivering,banging,bangs,screw,firm,fat,salty,flaccid,mouth,Juley,cunt,ready,revolting,cold,glistening,bumpy,Strapon,Dirty,slimy,vile,whore,

[10/01/2014 - 04:28:41PM] AproposUtil.ReplaceTokens returned : I feel pawing at my rear as the Höhlenbär moves to mount me. This is it...

 

Mine:

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:39AM] AproposDescriptions.DisplayFemaleActorCreatureVaginalDescriptions(animation=BearDoggystyle,creature=Bear,isPrimaryActorVictim=TRUE,activeActor=Hentai Bear,primaryFemaleActor=Tesla,effectiveVoice=2nd Person,isOrgasm=False,displayVirginityLost=False)

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:39AM] Apropos.GetAproposActor(Actor=Tesla)

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:39AM] SexLab.GetSkill(Tesla, Vaginal) = 0

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] AproposDescriptionDb.RetrieveDescription(animation=BearDoggystyle,subjectPrefix=femaleActor,partner=Bear,isActorVictim=TRUE,isOrgasm=False,sexPart=Vaginal,narrativeVoice=2nd Person)

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] AproposDescriptionDb.GetStringFromArray() returning: You feel pawing at your rear as the {ACTIVE} moves to mount you. This is it...

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] TokenNames : {ACTIVE},{ASS},{BEAST},{BITCH},{BOOBS},{BUGCOCK},{COCK},{CREAM},{CUM},{DEAD},{FAROUSAL},{FUCKING},{FUCKS},{FUCK},{HEAVING},{HUGE},{JUICY},{MAROUSAL},{MOUTH},{PRIMARY},{PUSSY},{READINESS},{SALTY},{SLIMY},{SLOPPY},{SOLID},{STRAPON},{TASTY},{THICK},{VILE},{WHORE},{WTVAGINAL}

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] TokenValues : Hentai Bear,ass,Lewd,cumslut,boobies,tube,prick,cream,cum,putrefying,trembling,shagging,screws,shag,heaving,nasty,salty,rock hard,mouth,Tesla,cunt,eager,piss covered,unclean,steaming,huge,cock,raging,thick,disgusting,strumpet,untouched

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] AproposUtil.ReplaceTokens returned : You feel pawing at your rear as the Hentai Bear moves to mount you. This is it...

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] mount you. This  is it... 

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] as the  Hentai Bear moves to 

[10/01/2014 - 11:56:40AM] You feel pawing at your rear 

 

 

 

 

So the same line is being retrieved from the description - the only difference is the word for bear - in your case it is "Höhlenbär". The thing that happens immediately after the tokens are replaced, is passing it to break it into segments (which I assume you have left as default).

 

So I can only suspect that perhaps JContainers might be barfing on an umlaut? I call into JString.wrap() the break the string up.

 

Here's a test - turn OFF message segmentation and see if the crash disappears.

[egon123]

That could be it. The cat is in german Säbelzahntiger. So it has an Umlaut, too.

Also it whould explain why it does not crash on an specific stage.

 

I will do two tests.

First with massage segmentation off.

Second with a changed db. Change {ACTIVE} to bear and see what happend.

 

I will report when my tests are done.

[egon123]

Tests done. That was it.

 

Massage segmentation off --> No ctd

 

Changed db with segmentation on --> No ctd.

 

You are right. Seems like jC dont like umlauts while massage segmentation.

I had the feeling that the problem had to do with the massage itself, but didnt think about an umlaut ^^ nice catch.

I'm thinking about how I can fix this with some NPC Names. This was the case with my NPC/NPC crash. A few have umlauts in there names. Like Graumähne (Grey-Mane).

When I want to keep the segmentation, then I think I change the names to the english version with CK.

 

I attach my changed db, if there are more users who play with the german version and want to keep segmentation on.

german db fix.rar

[Earen]

Tests done. That was it.

 

Massage segmentation off --> No ctd

 

Changed db with segmentation on --> No ctd.

 

You are right. Seems like jC dont like umlauts while massage segmentation.

I had the feeling that the problem had to do with the massage itself, but didnt think about an umlaut ^^ nice catch.

I'm thinking about how I can fix this with some NPC Names. This was the case with my NPC/NPC crash. A few have umlauts in there names. Like Graumähne (Grey-Mane).

When I want to keep the segmentation, then I think I change the names to the english version with CK.

 

I attach my changed db, if there are more users who play with the german version and want to keep segmentation on.

 

It supposed to like umlauts (at least, from what i know it likes UTF-8 encoding).

So, any text containing umlaut may cause crash during wrapping? Gonna debug it

 

[edit]

Could not make it crash, yet. Maybe you can point me to some good example?

[egon123]

I have maybe an fix for the npc names which uses umlauts in translated versions.

 

If I see this right, just the surname is translated. For example Olfina Gray-Mane becomes Olfina Graumähne.

 

Is is possible to use the Short Name (which would just Olfina) instead of the Name?

It would solve the problem with NPC names and make the Massage more personal.

 

Instead of "Olfina Gray-Mane is spreading her legs" it would call "Olfina is spreading her legs".

 

But don't know about Actors without Short Name like Bandits, bears, etc.

 

It was just something that came into my mind ^^

The best thing would be umlaut support for jContainers But nothing we could do here.

[gooser]

I have maybe an fix for the npc names which uses umlauts in translated versions.

 

If I see this right, just the surname is translated. For example Olfina Gray-Mane becomes Olfina Graumähne.

 

Is is possible to use the Short Name (which would just Olfina) instead of the Name?

It would solve the problem with NPC names and make the Massage more personal.

 

Instead of "Olfina Gray-Mane is spreading her legs" it would call "Olfina is spreading her legs".

 

But don't know about Actors without Short Name like Bandits, bears, etc.

 

It was just something that came into my mind ^^

The best thing would be umlaut support for jContainers But nothing we could do here.

 

I'm sure Earendil will fix JC. Seems pretty elementary type problem that should be fixed anyhow. 

 

Regarding short name - there is no concept in Skyrim/Papyrus I'm afraid. All we have on the Actor script is Name. When you create a character you can only specify - full name.

[Earen]

 

The best thing would be umlaut support for jContainers But nothing we could do here.

 

I need a sample of german text for that, as I can't reproduce issue with what I have now

[egon123]

 

 

The best thing would be umlaut support for jContainers But nothing we could do here.

 

I need a sample of german text for that, as I can't reproduce issue with what I have now

 

 

"Fröhlich hüpfte er über die Wiesen und erfreute sich österreichischen Speisekünsten."

 

Think this should be long enough and had a bunch of umlauts in it

 Or something from the db that would show up ingame:

"I drop to my hands and knees, and the Höhlenbär moves to mount me. This is it..."

 

Gooser: Was just an idea that came me Remembered that short name field when I made an follower.  Good news this problem is beeing worked on

[gooser]

 

 

 

The best thing would be umlaut support for jContainers But nothing we could do here.

 

I need a sample of german text for that, as I can't reproduce issue with what I have now

 

 

"Fröhlich hüpfte er über die Wiesen und erfreute sich österreichischen Speisekünsten."

 

Think this should be long enough and had a bunch of umlauts in it

 Or something from the db that would show up ingame:

"I drop to my hands and knees, and the Höhlenbär moves to mount me. This is it..."

 

Gooser: Was just an idea that came me Remembered that short name field when I made an follower.  Good news this problem is beeing worked on

 

 

Do share? By whom? What mod?

[Content Consumer]

Bug report (that may have been reported by others before):

 

A horse just said to me:

(Horse) A virgin, eh? Time to become a woman!

I was not a virgin (had sex a few times before), and horses can't talk... can they?

[gooser]

 

Bug report (that may have been reported by others before):

 

A horse just said to me:

(Horse) A virgin, eh? Time to become a woman!

I was not a virgin (had sex a few times before), and horses can't talk... can they?

 

 

Unfortunately, I really need an Apropos0.log with debug and trace turned on when this happens.

[Content Consumer]

 

 

Bug report (that may have been reported by others before):

 

A horse just said to me:

(Horse) A virgin, eh? Time to become a woman!

I was not a virgin (had sex a few times before), and horses can't talk... can they?

 

 

Unfortunately, I really need an Apropos0.log with debug and trace turned on when this happens.

 

Eek... gone, so no dice...

I'll turn logging on and try to get it to happen again. I'm using Aroused Creatures, so it shouldn't be too hard (no pun intended)...

[gooser]

 

 

 

Bug report (that may have been reported by others before):

 

A horse just said to me:

(Horse) A virgin, eh? Time to become a woman!

I was not a virgin (had sex a few times before), and horses can't talk... can they?

 

 

Unfortunately, I really need an Apropos0.log with debug and trace turned on when this happens.

 

Eek... gone, so no dice...

I'll turn logging on and try to get it to happen again. I'm using Aroused Creatures, so it shouldn't be too hard (no pun intended)...

 

 

I'm consulting SexLab's "Skill" level for vaginal sex here. If it returns 0 I assume vaginal virgin. SexLab will often report 0 even after sex though. What does your stats page for SL say?