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Yes, Yes, I know...
This topic has been talked about to death on the Internet already, and If I were a Youtuber, I would simply make another uninspired video about it and earn a lot of money in the process.
But I'm not, so I have to rant about it here. 
And I think this is important to keep in mind while reading. That this is more of a rant, rather then something I'm really Invested in.

 

So, why bring this up now? People spamming Ai garbage on this site isn't exactly something new, right?
Well, a few days ago, a certain individual here asked the question "Is it ok to post AI content in blogs n stuff?" 
And Ashals answer was Basically something along the Lines: AI content is not categorically banned on LL, but she really does not like it when AI garbage is simply spammed out without providing any form of transformative value. 
Sims4 painting/loading screen spammers were named as an example of such unwanted content.

You would think this is a fair stance on this. I would....
But said Individual who asked the question in the fist place apparently interpreted this as a Greenlight to unleash an absolute deluge of meaningless AI garbage onto the Blog section. We're talking hundreds of images over 6 or 7 blog posts. Nothing to download, no story, just random, low quality, very redundant images.

I mean, sure we all want to think that we have talent and put our stuff out there. And actually LEARNING to create something worthwhile takes time, so its only natural that some Brainlets will delude themselves into thinking that putting a prompt into an AI model actually equates to real skill.
And with pretty much all image boards and porn sites having either outright banned AI content or implemented optional filters against it, these talent less hacks have an increasingly hard time to get Eyes on their garbage, which probably has lead a certain subset of them here to Loverlab, where posting AI is still possible.

 

 

Now, I know having such a filter is probably not technically feasible, and I don't have Insights into the sites economics. "Creators" and consumers of AI slop arent the brightest bunch, so maybe they are the exact folks who keep the site going by actually clicking on the Ads here. 
(If this is the case, please just Ignore this entire Post)

But If this isn't the case, could we maybe just do the right thing and DO ban it?
As I said, Its not something that keeps me up at night, but generative AI is causing so much harm to creative spaces around the Internet by drowning out genuine creations from REAL people.
And I think we don't need it here. Loverslab isnt an image board in the first place, And I think that Bandwith and storage could be far better used in other ways. (maybe by letting us upload videos again?).

Rant over,

thanks for reading

Edited by Pamatronic
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Hardly a new take.
I don't think it should be banned here , but certainly discouraged.

AI posters, Paintings and trading cards are usually kinda mid especially when you have all the options to do it yourself anyway with the tools left by the community,
Skyrims Racemenu, ENB, SL or poser. Hell if you have VR you can do the camera stuff manually if you wanted to.
Why use and AI that's gonna look basic when you can put in a bit more effort to take a unique screen shot?
 

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AI is the sole reason I don't even use Pinterest anymore. Its not art to me and never will be, especially when I'm an artist myself, looking into 3D modeling. I wholly agree, but I'll respect whatever choice Ashal makes on it. I simply don't see a spot for AI at all in any creative space, especially on a forum. Especially if there's gonna be people spamming entire blogs with it.

 

The bulk of AI anyway just steals from actual art and it always looks terrible. Especially when it depicts a character and it looks nothing like the actual character in question. Or looks like its from a different thing entirely.

Edited by Zorai
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AI's art shouldn't exist. Art is a field that belongs to mankind, not machines. 
Now on LL, it's just spam content, and I'm sure over time, there will be some restrictions especially on blogs' section. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, Zorai said:

The bulk of AI anyway just steals from actual art and it always looks terrible.

I like AI Art, sometimes more than from so called "Artists", true sometimes it's producing some weird stuff but in general it's fine, u can just ignore the 12 finger hands :x...

 

 

As for the general topic,

I actually like the AI Sims stuff, don't really play that shitty game but sometimes do look into their mods just to grab some of their pictures...

Tho rarely it's anything worth time but well... diamonds are also found around sand and stones xD

 

 

AI Makes art free or close to free depends if u using someone's model or ur own...

"Artists" are calling 500$ a hour... so yeah...... ill pick 12 finger AI art rather than overpriced "Artists" 

 

3 years ago Ai was quite shit...

But today?... Even Gemini can make quite good work,

Krea.Ai is quite cool to abuse them for generating textures and materials for my 3D art and I pay them nothing!

Talkie.Ai makes me voice lines for my dialogues in Skyrim Mods ( free if u know the trick xDD ( make Talkie, and use the "Welcome Message" to make Ai say anything - even NSFW ) )

C.AI was quite good at making dialogues, ( including NSFW ) but it is "was" because they fucked everything up some time ago...

 

 

I do some "art" stuff tho I would not call it Art I just call it my fetish and hobby, I would call myself a programmer as I do C++ for over 15 years already,

but I do some 3D Art, 2D Art, including in both animations and static pictures, and well, I'm happy that I have my little unpaid assistants...

 

For me AI does great things, I love AI and I hope it will develop more over time so it can be more useful :x...

 

 

 

In fact due to lack of good Anime like it was 15 years ago ( good episodes every day even few episodes a day )

I also tried to make Anime with AI only... well it looks shitty and dialogues are shitty too xD but AI was on its WILD...

 

I guess it just need about 3-6 more years and I can watch Anime every day xDD

 

 

 

 

The only suggestion for The Sims "Mod Authors" I would have:

Could You please include full resolution pictures and all of them instead of just few? it's a shame when mod have only like 1 or 3 preview pictures low res...

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I like AI Art, sometimes more than from so called "Artists", true sometimes it's producing some weird stuff but in general it's fine, u can just ignore the 12 finger hands :x...

 

As for the general topic,

I actually like the AI Sims stuff, don't really play that shitty game but sometimes do look into their mods just to grab some of their pictures...

Tho rarely it's anything worth time but well... diamonds are also found around sand and stones xD

 

The bulk of AI is still weird and not good. Unless you put actual effort into it, its always gonna look bad and off. And at that point, learn art yourself, you'll have a lot more freedom, control, and are able to actually think on how you want it. Real art takes effort and soul, something a machine cannot do.

 

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AI Makes art free or close to free depends if u using someone's model or ur own...

"Artists" are calling 500$ a hour... so yeah...... ill pick 12 finger AI art rather than overpriced "Artists" 

 

Its almost like Artist deserve to make a living too. And art takes a lot of time, effort, skill, etc. Yes, it can be expensive at times, but its almost always worth it. And not all artists charge $500+, it depends on what you want, how you want it, how much detail, etc. A simple comm is usually $50 to $120. Unless you want something extensive, its gonna cost you and rightfully so. Art is a career, you don't go to a restaurant and demand the food to be free, do you? We have the same bills and other things we need to pay in order to live. If we could do it for free, most would. That's why some will depending on circumstance.

 

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3 years ago Ai was quite shit...

But today?... Even Gemini can make quite good work,

Krea.Ai is quite cool to abuse them for generating textures and materials for my 3D art and I pay them nothing!

Talkie.Ai makes me voice lines for my dialogues in Skyrim Mods ( free if u know the trick xDD ( make Talkie, and use the "Welcome Message" to make Ai say anything - even NSFW ) )

C.AI was quite good at making dialogues, ( including NSFW ) but it is "was" because they fucked everything up some time ago...

 

I do some "art" stuff tho I would not call it Art I just call it my fetish and hobby, I would call myself a programmer as I do C++ for over 15 years already,

but I do some 3D Art, 2D Art, including in both animations and static pictures, and well, I'm happy that I have my little unpaid assistants...

 

For me AI does great things, I love AI and I hope it will develop more over time so it can be more useful :x...

 

In fact due to lack of good Anime like it was 15 years ago ( good episodes every day even few episodes a day )

I also tried to make Anime with AI only... well it looks shitty and dialogues are shitty too xD but AI was on its WILD...

 

I guess it just need about 3-6 more years and I can watch Anime every day xDD

 

AI is still terrible today. If you're perfectly capable of making art, but refuse to do it simply because AI is easier, then that's laziness imo. It shows you have no passion for art and don't care nor respect it. And I can tell by that comment about artists charging people. 

AI can do good, just not for art, especially AI that steels from others hard work. There's a time and place for everything, and AI shouldn't be forced into fields where it doesn't need to be nor belong. AI all looks the same for a reason, there is nothing unique about it, and it harms actual creative fields and minds.

Edited by Zorai
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AI can be an incredible tool but you need to already have the ability to work without AI. If you're an Artist a model trained with your art can do the labor intense work for you, like background art or animation. But you'd need to be an artist in the first place so you can spot and rectify the mistakes an AI will make. It's probably the same with coding or any other field, if you have no idea what you're doing chances are the AI will produce garbage and you'll have neither the knowledge nor the skills to recognize when the AI has a stroke.

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5 hours ago, ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ said:

Krea.Ai is quite cool to abuse them for generating textures and materials for my 3D art and I pay them nothing!

Talkie.Ai makes me voice lines for my dialogues in Skyrim Mods ( free if u know the trick xDD ( make Talkie, and use the "Welcome Message" to make Ai say anything - even NSFW ) )

This is the "Transformative" aspect which has already been brought up.
And we've already established that those use cases are fine and my argument is not against those. Ive used synth-ed voices in my mods as well, and stuff like github copilot has made my life a lot easier.

 

5 hours ago, ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ said:

I do some "art" stuff tho I would not call it Art I just call it my fetish and hobby, I would call myself a programmer as I do C++ for over 15 years already,

but I do some 3D Art, 2D Art, including in both animations and static pictures, and well, I'm happy that I have my little unpaid assistants...

Similar as above. If people simply use it to assist in their other works, or to generate something for themselves to jerk off to, that's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

 

 

To be clear again, AI in itself is not the Issue. 
The Issue is people who dump gigabytes worth of garbage here which has no ounce of human input and serves no purpose at all.

 

 

 

 

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As for the general topic,

I actually like the AI Sims stuff, don't really play that shitty game but sometimes do look into their mods just to grab some of their pictures...

Tho rarely it's anything worth time but well... diamonds are also found around sand and stones xD

Ok.... but cant they just dump their stuff on some regular pornsite instead of here where they have a filter and I have the choice to ignore it?

Edited by Pamatronic
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AI art isn't the issue as others have stated. It's just a technology. Like any technology it can be used for good or for bad. Atomic energy is a technology that can be used for good and provide power to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people at a time. Of course it also made possible the atomic bomb. Medicine in general can be used to save lives all over the world every day or it can be used to exploit and plunder vast amounts of money from people who cannot afford the medicine or procedures they need. AI is no different. I have seen ai used in the medical field to help assist doctors in miraculous ways. Important distinction. Assist doctors, not play the role of doctors. On the other hand AI can be used to take away the jobs from many hard working citizens. Art is no different. AI can be a huge boon to individuals who have no art skill and don't have the money to pay an artist or are too shy or ashamed to ask an artist to make something on commission. 

 

In the end it is how you use it. Personally I really enjoy using AI to make art. I fall into the category of persons that aren't artists and can't afford to pay an artist to make art for me. It is important that I point out that I am not looking to make money off anything I use AI for. I DON'T want to take jobs away from artists. If I were to make a game or something like that I would probably use AI to make prototypes that I would then go to an actual artist and use as a reference. 

 

If I am just looking to make some porn that caters to my specific set of fetishes then AI is great. Do I or anyone else need to spam all of that to everyone else on the internet? No but then again, places like rule34 or any other porn site wouldn't exist if people didn't spam their crap all over the internet.

 

So in the end do I want to ban AI art on this site, hell no. Do I think there should be a filter, sure BUT how would that be implemented. There is no way to distinguish between AI an non-AI artwork except with our human eyes and even then it isn't abundantly clear in some cases. Now if there were a way to filter certain threads where people have voluntarily admitted that they are posting AI content, fine that could work. The problem is that unless uploaders are willing to VOLUNTARILY admit that they are uploading AI content there is no way to really moderate it except the same way that every other post or thread on this site get's moderated. Through though the 'report' button thus drawing the attention of the moderators who can ultimately decide whether the content should stay or not. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Demonwise said:

AI art isn't the issue as others have stated. It's just a technology. Like any technology it can be used for good or for bad. Atomic energy is a technology that can be used for good and provide power to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people at a time. Of course it also made possible the atomic bomb. Medicine in general can be used to save lives all over the world every day or it can be used to exploit and plunder vast amounts of money from people who cannot afford the medicine or procedures they need. AI is no different. I have seen ai used in the medical field to help assist doctors in miraculous ways. Important distinction. Assist doctors, not play the role of doctors. On the other hand AI can be used to take away the jobs from many hard working citizens. Art is no different. AI can be a huge boon to individuals who have no art skill and don't have the money to pay an artist or are too shy or ashamed to ask an artist to make something on commission. 

 

In the end it is how you use it. Personally I really enjoy using AI to make art. I fall into the category of persons that aren't artists and can't afford to pay an artist to make art for me. It is important that I point out that I am not looking to make money off anything I use AI for. I DON'T want to take jobs away from artists. If I were to make a game or something like that I would probably use AI to make prototypes that I would then go to an actual artist and use as a reference. 

 

If I am just looking to make some porn that caters to my specific set of fetishes then AI is great. Do I or anyone else need to spam all of that to everyone else on the internet? No but then again, places like rule34 or any other porn site wouldn't exist if people didn't spam their crap all over the internet.

 

So in the end do I want to ban AI art on this site, hell no. Do I think there should be a filter, sure BUT how would that be implemented. There is no way to distinguish between AI an non-AI artwork except with our human eyes and even then it isn't abundantly clear in some cases. Now if there were a way to filter certain threads where people have voluntarily admitted that they are posting AI content, fine that could work. The problem is that unless uploaders are willing to VOLUNTARILY admit that they are uploading AI content there is no way to really moderate it except the same way that every other post or thread on this site get's moderated. Through though the 'report' button thus drawing the attention of the moderators who can ultimately decide whether the content should stay or not. 

To put that in sci-fi terms, droids make good co-pilots, not captains of vessels. 

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-- 1: AI art = totally fine. No need to be worked up about it. It's inevitable. You can't stop something that can bring a lot of profits (or save a lot of expenses). If I can use AI to get myself some icons quickly and with no hassle or animate me something for a prototype = I'll absolutely do it. And if it helps me, it also helps a lot of business ideas ultimately making the barrier to entry so much lower. Why do you think those indie games explode so much lately? (though, the good ones only use AI in the prototyping / internal stages to have PoC and demos, it's still a huge layer of expenses carved out which is vital for a fledgling business)

 

-- 2: Artists being replaced by AI = (my take only!) = if you're being replaced by AI, you need to up your game. Artists are also far from the only occupation AI currently challenges. In my field, I had to learn to work with AI. In my field, employees are not being replaced by AI. They are being replaced by other employees who know how to use AI. Will I "eat my words" if AI becomes so smart it becomes impossible to compete at all? Perhaps. But at that point it will be at least demi-AGI or real AGI. The world will be a drastically different place with scarcity most likely solved. That - or we'll get the Judgement Day scenario. In any case the prospect of me having to eat my words on this one would be the least of my concerns.  

 

-- 3: The biggest and the only justified beef with AI is = the fact that those models were trained on the content originally produced by artists (writers/etc) and now these models are deployed without attributing those authors and paying them for that work. However it's still a weak point because there was already a lot of material in the public domain, available for free. AI would just take a tad longer to lift off without it being trained on stuff that's copyrighted. That being said = big AI tech bros absolutely have to pay a fair share if they used copyrighted materials to train their models ("if" = whom am I kidding, they absolutely did).

 

--4: (as a follow up to 3) In this sense AI models trained on copyrighted materials are that loophole and a "crime without a law" - tech bros found a way to skirt copyright with style. Maybe laws will catch up to that - but honestly, I doubt. With so much money on the line, big tech bros will always nod "if you curb stomp us now with your regulation, those commies in China will get one up over us and soon, so don't you dare make laws against it!". That - or AI bubble finally bursts. Either way nobody who got their copyrighted work scrapped gets any penny from those tech giants.

Edited by Operand
Posted (edited)
  • Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
  • Thou shalt not disfigure the soul.

We were supposed to make AI to have all the mundane jobs of survival be taken care off, then we humans could focus on the important stuff, like art and innovation and the betterment and exploration of self. 

 

But, what do we do?

We automate the art stuff.

We 'better the self' by asking ChatGPT what's for dinner.

 

But this is a lost battle. Most artists and creative people hate it. Most non creative people see nothing wrong with it. And nobody sees the hell hole it's creating.. that AI was trained on real artists. Real artists that die out, because they stop sharing their work. Over the decades art will stagnate. Real talent will be blamed of having made AI art. Everything becomes slop. Not just the AI stuff.. EVERYTHING. 

Edited by Reginald_001
Posted

What pisses me currently is the overwhelming amount of pro-AI propaganda and relentless push of AI companies for people to use it like it would "solve all problems we need". Microsoft, for example, is putting Copilot in every corner of Windows 11. Notepad, Paint, even the taskbar in a future update is going to have a Copilot button. Google put their "AI overview" everytime you do a search. Youtube has AI translation and dubbing on videos enabled by default. In all that cases, disabling AI is either not possible or very hard to find.

 

The user agency is being killed because of a tool that companies poured billions (or maybe trillions) of dollars and are, in their currently form, giving them a mediocre financial return, with some market experts calling it a potential bubble and others saying that it will cause significant effects to the world economy. Yeah, companies when they make mistakes need us, people to pay for them. Like the dot-com bubble in early 2000s, AI won't disappear (as the internet didn't end at that time), but the focus of AI will likely be shifted away from just "cut labor costs and generate content" like it is today.

 

Also, about flooding this site with AI imagery: if someone generates a shitload of AI imagery and start posting somewhere, it's no different for me than flooding social media with text or sending e-mails with spam. It's also important that, if something is generated with AI, it needs to be disclosed, so people that feel uncomfortable with AI could safely ignore. Regardless of you being pro-AI or against the use of the tech, my opinion is that every person deserves the right to choose if they want to use/see AI-generated content or not. I'm personally not a fan of AI-generated things, but as long as it's not shoved in my throat and I can stay out of it, I don't care.

Posted
1 hour ago, Reginald_001 said:
  • Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
  • Thou shalt not disfigure the soul.

We were supposed to make AI to have all the mundane jobs of survival be taken care off, then we humans could focus on the important stuff, like art and innovation and the betterment and exploration of self. 

 

But, what do we do?

We automate the art stuff.

We 'better the self' by asking ChatGPT what's for dinner.

 

But this is a lost battle. Most artists and creative people hate it. Most non creative people see nothing wrong with it. And nobody sees the hell hole it's creating.. that AI was trained on real artists. Real artists that die out, because they stop sharing their work. Over the decades art will stagnate. Real talent will be blamed of having made AI art. Everything becomes slop. Not just the AI stuff.. EVERYTHING. 

 

As much as I hate to read it, I agree. But here is the problem, ultimately the issue is with us, the humans. AI is just a tool. However it requires morals and ethics to use properly. A gun is also just a tool. You can use it to hunt game to provide food for you and your family. But a gun can also kill people. It requires morals and ethics to use so that folks don't just run around killing each other. Unfortunately, well, we can see everyday on the news how that has turned out. So is AI to blame, no, we humans are. We are to blame because we are too immature, too selfish, too unempathetic, sympathetic or caring to use it properly. We use a tool like AI like a child swinging around a machete, unaware or uncaring what we hit, harm and maim while we 'play' with our toy for our own amusement.

Posted
28 minutes ago, Demonwise said:

 

As much as I hate to read it, I agree. But here is the problem, ultimately the issue is with us, the humans. AI is just a tool. However it requires morals and ethics to use properly. A gun is also just a tool. You can use it to hunt game to provide food for you and your family. But a gun can also kill people. It requires morals and ethics to use so that folks don't just run around killing each other. Unfortunately, well, we can see everyday on the news how that has turned out. So is AI to blame, no, we humans are. We are to blame because we are too immature, too selfish, too unempathetic, sympathetic or caring to use it properly. We use a tool like AI like a child swinging around a machete, unaware or uncaring what we hit, harm and maim while we 'play' with our toy for our own amusement.

Amen

With that said, can we at least have a rule on this site which bans children with machetes?

Posted

Its just insanely lazy.

 

If AI wasa test to find out which people are inable or not willing to do work needed to get things done...

It succeeded.

 

I only see usein audio stem seperation and as Stadkoverflow replacement.

 

AI has no sense of artistic style.

Nor do most people.

Posted

At the very least it would be nice if people posting AI stuff are forced to put that in the title of whatever thread/blog/whatever they post. If it were a site rule it shouldn't be to hard for mods to police and those who want to avoid it could do so.

 

Posted
37 minutes ago, shrtjsrtj said:

At the very least it would be nice if people posting AI stuff are forced to put that in the title of whatever thread/blog/whatever they post. If it were a site rule it shouldn't be to hard for mods to police and those who want to avoid it could do so.

 

That's not the Issue. the people who do it usually don't make a secret out of it. And Even if they did, it would be extremely obvious anyway.
If we had a site rule against spamming, it wouldn't be hard to enforce. But we don't have a rule like that yet.

Posted

Can AI create 'deadly furniture' and its related works? No, it can't do it. I don't think it can do it for another hundred years. It only talks nonsense. So I believe that in the short term, its value has not been discussed yet.

Posted
Vor 6 Stunden schrieb Reginald_001:
  • Du sollst keine Maschine nach dem Ebenbild des menschlichen Geistes bauen.
  • Du sollst die Seele nicht entstellen.

Wir sollten die KI so entwickeln, dass sie uns alle alltäglichen Überlebensaufgaben abnimmt, damit wir Menschen uns auf die wichtigen Dinge konzentrieren können, wie Kunst und Innovation sowie die Weiterentwicklung und Erforschung des Selbst. 

 

Aber was sollen wir tun?

Wir automatisieren die künstlerischen Prozesse.

Wir „verbessern uns selbst“, indem wir ChatGPT fragen, was es zum Abendessen gibt.

 

Aber das ist ein verlorener Kampf. Die meisten Künstler und Kreativen verabscheuen es. Die meisten Nicht-Kreativen sehen nichts Schlimmes daran. Und niemand erkennt das Desaster, das dadurch entsteht: Die KI wurde mit den Daten echter Künstler trainiert. Echte Künstler, die aussterben, weil sie ihre Werke nicht mehr teilen. Über Jahrzehnte wird die Kunst stagnieren. Wahre Talente werden beschuldigt, KI-Kunst geschaffen zu haben. Alles verkommt zu Schund. Nicht nur die KI-Sachen … ALLES. 

 

For centuries, intelligence was attributed exclusively to humans... all criteria were designed in such a way that, in fact, only humans could fulfill them.

 

For about 100 years, scientists and science fiction writers (who are often scientists themselves) have been grappling with the topic of artificial intelligence, also known as "can machines think?"

This topic has also been part of my thinking for 50 years—initially purely from the realm of science fiction, and later in my professional life.

 

Humans want to understand why they are self-aware, why they can think, and what ultimately constitutes "intelligence."

One way to explore this is by attempting to recreate it "artificially" (with computers), since we currently cannot do it "biologically."

 

Along this path, people have also considered the "threshold" at which we can speak of intelligence... of course, I'm referring to the "Turing Test."

 

Humans want to understand why they are "self-aware"—why they can think—and what ultimately constitutes "intelligence." Today, at the "end" of my life, I am firmly convinced that at least three-quarters of the adult population in my home country would fail this test... and this percentage continues to rise.

The concept of "outsourced thinking" takes on a concrete form through things like "ChatGPT"... but it didn't start there—it's just a milestone in a decades-long process of undermining human education... unfortunately, I can't think of a better term right now.

I live in one of the world's largest industrialized nations—an export economy is practically impossible without a high level of education for research and production... so why are so many schools in my country in such a catastrophic state of repair? And anyone who chooses to teach children or adults is considered a complete idiot by society.

 

Yes - art is just one small aspect of the whole catastrophe related to AI... no - AI will not take over the world - but humanity will become so stupid that it won't even realize it's wiping itself out.

 

"Intelligent life form" on planet Earth cannot refer to humans!

Amen

Posted
11 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Ive used synth-ed voices in my mods as well, and stuff like github copilot has made my life a lot easier.

I do have to politely bring up the fact that from the perspective I read, "AI is bad and should not be posted here in any form except the one I like which is the canned voice modulator" (my words) ,which sounds awful in my opinion. 

You all have spoken of "Artistic tones" but when some creator is making a mod they are not fully supported monetarily, so they could hire real voice artists.

Instead that money is given to a corporation who let's you use their AI voice generator with restrictions, I think it's like a talking parrot, passable but not good.

We can pick and choose, as humans we are choosey, but if the rant is against AI, no AI should be allowed in any form, not just allow the convenient form which is already widely used here. 

I post AI generated images over in another thread, yes some have flaws such as the finger thing already mentioned, as well as others, I do not create said images, just share them, I did not realize there were talks of banning them... food for thought and consideration on my part.  :cool:

 

Posted
7 hours ago, Demonwise said:

AI is just a tool. However it requires morals and ethics to use properly.

Tell that to the CEO's and other Mega Corporations who see AI as a way to increase profits while decreasing staffed positions.

AI, and Nuclear weapons should have never been invented but humans just cannot put the proverbial "Genie" back in the bottle.

Universal basic income is where it's headed, when man looses the ability to do meaningful work, whether it is labor, technical, artistic, etc. then we are doomed to lose society as a whole.

No offense intended replying to your post.

Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Caveman 74 said:

I do have to politely bring up the fact that from the perspective I read, "AI is bad and should not be posted here in any form except the one I like which is the canned voice modulator" (my words) ,which sounds awful in my opinion.

 

That's a misunderstanding then. Let me clarify.
My primary issue is with people SPAMMING low/no effort content. This can have many forms. Be it people who throw out 5+ sims a day, cheap character/bodyslide presets for skyrim, or anything else that eats up oxygen and makes it harder to see/discover any of the genuine and interesting works and mods on this site.

 

I probably could have removed the "AI" from the title and still get this argument across, But unfortunately, AI has made it WAY too easy for those lazy folks to create spam, and therefore it got flak as the culprit. As others have stated, AI is a tool like anything else. The issue are people who use it without care or consideration for others. And therefore we unfortunately need to regulate it somehow.
 

Edited by Pamatronic
Posted

Personally, I think the site should have an AI filter like Rule 34 does, since it really does get in the way. I'm a picky gooner, and AI just gets in the way trying to download mods.

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