HearthFire Guilds

[Dg75]

HearthFire Guilds

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DESCRIPTION:

Adds a buy now pay later scheme to Skyrim. Just about anything you can purchase can be charged to your Skytab.
Can set up regular payment schedule to pay it back with optional consequences if failing to pay up on time!(all optional)
Quest driven with voiced dialogue. All voice sounds are synthesized via the awesome Va synth mod.
User friendly mcm options to fine tune to your needs. 

 

HARD REQUIREMENTS :
Skyrim Se

SKSE
SkyUi

 

OPTIONAL SOFT Requirements BUT RECOMMENDED:

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 Simple Slavery, and at least one mod that uses it, example Public Whore, and all their requirements.
If by any chance you don't know what Simple Slavery mod is. Its a way for the player to be auctioned 
off into some kind of servitude, normally because of some kind of punishment. 
SLV or Simple Slavery doesn't do anything by itself as its a framework mod for punishment and servitude mods that are made to use it.
In this case if you late on a payment, a warning will be issued via a note. - READ THE NOTE.
if you fail to make the payment then next you wake up you may be in servitude to earn that payment being made.
If you use it, be sure to enable its use in HearthFire Guid's mcm.

 

Devious Devices NG, If Community service is the outcome from being delinquent on your guild debt. Go about your community service in eloquent bindings.

This is leveled tiered. If failing a report in then your bindings may get more restrictive, passing report in's reduce severity. 

Requires the Community Service option to be enabled in mcm.

This also requires my DD Patch in the downloads. 

 

Amputator Framework Tweaked, Get the 1.6 se version. This also requires Community service to be enabled. Starts with left lower leg amped

for good faith. Failing reports may see additional amps. This has 4 levels of severity:
 1 = left lower leg
 2 = left forearm, and Right Forearm
 3 = Right upper arm and left upper leg
 4 = Right Upper leg and Left upper arm

Once amped, cannot get healed until end of service, and embark on Collete's ridicules heal quest

This also requires my Amputator Patch in the downloads.

 

Follower Slavery Mod: When delinquency happens and consequence's commence weather it be Bounty, SLV or Community service

a random follower may be taken. If Community service is your outcome then it only would happen at a failed report in.

Otherwise any other outcome will be instant. HFire just sends a mod event to FSM and FSM does what it does !

You'll have to add your available followers to be enslavable to a tracking slot in HFire's mcm.

Do not add followers like Serana as they are by default backlisted from FSM slavery. Wont hurt to add them, but 

pointless to make FSM scripts roll just to fail on a blacklisted follower. Examples of Blacklisted, Sophia, Vilgi . .See FSM's .jason list

If SLV happens as result of delinquency, FSM picks up on SLV by default so HFire's tracking slot wouldn't matter here.

 

SexLab Framework, 

Zaz animation Pack Se

If wanting to use the community service feature of this mod(optional), some parts of it require Both Sexlab and Zaz.

You will also need to download install animations for sexlab. Recomend Anubs, Billy's, and Nibbles.

 

 

 

MEMBERSHIPS and HOW TO'S :

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Bronze membership:
just lets you order a LARGE shipment of goods, building materials useful for HearthFire home building, 
Ore's, and some items useful leveling alchemical and enchanting skills, Creating armor, weapons and upgrading them.
 How to:
Talking to a Blacksmith, you will see a dialogue option "Um excuse me. Do you know where I can accommodate bulk building supplies ?"
To get this dialogue, you must have purchased a HearthFire property and it doesn't matter weather or not you already built a home,

but ideally it would be before you built it.

The Blacksmith will set you up, and start you on Bronze membership if you haven't got a membership yet,

if you have silver or Gold then Bronze is accounted for. It cost 150 Gold for a onetime purchase.

The Blacksmith will give you a flag and instruct you to place the flag at your property location by opening your inventory and

Misc items - click on your flag and it will be placed at your feet.

It must be on a BYOH property location ! You will have 24 hours to comply.

If success a Delivery chest will arrive at your placed flag in exactly 24 hours.
It may be wise to have another chest like the BYOH starters chest nearby. When your delivery chest arrives.

Open it and remove all or leave what you don't want in the chest.
Once the chest closes any left items may be destroyed.

Leaving the area or going through a loading door will make the delivery chest go away.
You will receive a + 25,000 to your debt and can start making payments when your ready, but before a specified due date.

 

Silver or Gold memberships :
Silver membership is Bronze plus allows for buying homes and horses.
Gold membership is both Bronze, and Silver, and allows for a charge tab (Sky Tab)

for almost all things you can buy including renting rooms, carriage rides, and home upgrading.
The mcm Sky Tab option can be enabled only if the Gold membership has been purchased then it can be enabled/disabled at will.

If enabled, purchases will AUTOMATICLLY apply to your tab when making them.

 

Buying a Membership:

Memberships can be purchased by talking to a Steward of the Yarl in any hold that has a steward.
Ideally if your wanting to experience it all, just skip the Bronze and Silver and go for the Gold.

The Gold has all the benefits plus a Sky Tab account. 
If buying the Gold membership, don't forget to enable it in the mcm.  

Has an optional hot key default += that can be used to quickly enable/disable it.
If you don't really care about the Sky Tab, then you can purchase either a Bronze or a Silver membership.

You can always upgrade your membership anytime.
Each Membership is worth 150 gold, and are a one time purchase. Once you have it you don't need to buy it again.

 

Making Payment:

Only Blacksmiths can take your payments. So talk to any Blacksmith and Look for the Dialogue :

"I would like to make a payment on my builders guild."   Only Full payments (mcm specified) are excepted

unless it would take less to pay off your debt. 

If you have enough to fully pay it you can or be sure to answer in kind "I just want to make a payment" to make a single payment.

On time payments will reduce an interest rate if its been raised, and keep you in good faith. So don't be late !

 

Important:
When Buying houses and Horses. This is via dialogue, Look for "Great! I'll take it, but can we just add it to my Guilds tab." to charge it,
Sky Tab if enabled is automatic charging of basically anything that use the "BartersMenu"

When it opens you will auto receive additional gold in the amount of your total limit - default 100,000 gold(can be adjusted in mcm).

If for somehow you extinguish this limit then sky tab wont charge until you make a payment.
When you close the Barters Menu then additional gold is removed and your current gold is restored.
Riding carriages and home upgrades are also a benefit of Gold Membership and like Sky Tab

if enabled will be automatically charged. These aren't done through a BarteMenu though and are handled those dialogue's directly.

 

MCM OPTIONS:

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Tracking debt. Is the mcm option "Has Terms". If disabled then no due dates are tracked, and no consequences, 
but you will still need to specify a debt payment amount, and a max limit amount else the defaults get used.

Payment Amounts and due times are mcm user specified, and can be changed one time between payments

unless not currently in debt then you can change them anytime.

A max debt limit can be specified. Once your debt reaches this amount then no more charging until its paid down.

 

Consequences:

If failing to pay up. a One day warning may issue via courier note. Read the note !

you'll have 24 hours to make a payment else bad things may happen.

MCM configurable with percent chances of outcomes. Only one outcome will happen.

Choices are:

Bounty: Can receive a bounty in the amount of your delinquent payment, If your payments are ridiculously small then the bounty will probably more.

Simple Slavery: Can see you get auctioned off and paying up in servitude. Requires Simple Slavery mod.

Community Service: Become property of the jarl and of the hold for x amount of days (normally 3 to 7 days, mcm configurable)

You'll need to report in the holds steward every evening with expected procurance's. Failure may see further punishment and penalties added.

You must gain procurance points via, cleaning, Chopping wood, or Whoring- (as the The Whore of the Hold or using community furniture.)

This also requires an mcm option- Game Mode to enabled, as it sets maximum and minimum to payments, due dates.

This is quest based, and has all voiced dialogue, be sure to read the mcm info's as they explain much.

 

 

Interest and Penalty's

Mcm option to enable Interest. If enabled, interest defaults at 10%. 
Changing terms of agreement when you have active debt like payment amounts or due dates will incur a + 10% increase per change.
Interest also may increase from being late on payments. 
Interest can be potentially raised to a whopping 90%.

Each time you make an on-time payment, Interest reduces by 5% until the default 10% is reached.
Interest is calculated like: Interest times Payment then is deducted from your payment and the rest is applied to principle.

When receiving an Interest increase, normally you would also receive a added penalty amount that can range from 50 gold to 2500 gold.

This would depend on circumstances and a random game pick.

 

Its RECOMMENDED to read through this !

Spoiler

How the consequences work. A random between the mcm enabled options. Higher priority wins. Its still possible for low priority to be chosen, but much less likely.

 

If you become delinquent in payments. I made it easy, a courier will find you and deliver a Warning note.
If the courier is unable to deliver, and it can happen or if you fail to read the note when delivered, 
then the 24 hour warning began when script the first put you into delinquency. 
Otherwise reading the note will start the 24 hour window at the time it was read.
You can pay your debt during this window to prevent any undo consequences, but may still receive an interest hike and small penalty.
If the 24 hours pass without you making a payment, then even trying to make it fail and will initiate consequences.
Or If you ignore it, consequences will eventually initiate.

 

If Bounty is chosen:
A bounty in a random hold will awarded to you in the amount of your payment.
Your payment gets paid, but you will need to settle up with guards to pay it back.
This if your payments are more than 2,000 may instigate a force greet from guards and possibly jail time.
Further if you have Pops mod it may instigate bounty hunters to come for you.
If you set your payments ridiculously low, then it may add up to a 2,000 bounty anyways.

 

If Simple Slavery is chosen:
Really nothing to do here, You wake up in an auction and get sold
Your Payment is paid, but you will need to make up for it in servitude - whatever it be.

 

If Community Service is chosen:
If in a hold, settlement location with guards then a guard may force greet you just to inform you
that the Yarl's steward wants to speak to you. 
If no guards or they don't inform you, then the courier will find you again and deliver a summons.
You may wonder which steward, as you may not be in the actual hold of this steward. The summons will only notify as the Steward.
If the map marker don't highlight it, sometimes mine don't, then look into the mcm towards the bottom
as it will give a clue to who your steward is. Or crossing cells or loading a save usually fixes a map marker.
You will need to report to your steward as soon as possible. If you ignore it for four or more days
the quest will fail, and if you have bounties enabled you get that instead. Or if Bounties disabled then may get penalty hikes.
So if you just don't want to do the quest, you can simply ignore it or go into the mcm debug page and force fail it.

 

Upon reporting in to the steward. You will be given clear instructions to earn community points and report back every eve with any procurance by 7 PM.
If you are 1 minute early, the quest dialogue probably wont show. You should have a 15 game minute window past 7 pm.
Note I used Points rather than gold, so NO CHEATING ! 
You will need an expected amount of points each day while in service.
Daily expected points will be either 250(normal) or 300 if Game mode is enabled and current debt is more than 10,000 owed.
If you are shy on points or if you are late to report in then you will fail the daily report and consequences may happen(DD, Amped, or penalties).
If failed their is a random chance to get one warning instead.
Upon starting Community service, Your payment is not paid ! But instead put on hold as you cannot make a payment while in service.
Upon completing your service and if you have met a satisfactory amount of points then a nice payment may be applied to your debt(interest free)
The payment will be calculated upon completion like this. Total points times total days in service = payment. 
Total days in service is up to the max expected that was calculated upon start up. So if had an expected 300 points a day for 5 days., 
and you met each day with success then it would be a payment of 7,500. That's 1500 points times 5 days in service.
If somehow you cheat(its possible, but I'm not telling) your days in service then as long as you meat the expected for that many days its a pass.
If failed, then no payment is made and you may be S.O.L!
Fails can happen if ignoring the quest for 4 or more days. Too many tardy's or not enough points.

Remember you can always view you total points and time to report and days in service in the mcm,

or in game to easily view any stats, use the Left ALT + action key. 

If Left Shift + action key, will display the modifier keys, action key and their uses.

If just action key, will enable/disable your skyTab, so don't accidently disable it...

 

To earn points: as of now their only three ways:

 

To Clean:
First you must have an invite by asking npc's if there is a cleaning job available
They almost always give you one. It must be within business hours from 8 am to 6 pm or the dialogue wont show.
Clean an area by using the hot key selected in the mcm. The modifier Left CNTRL must be pressed when tapping the action key.
Otherwise if the action key was tapped without the modifier pressed, it would just enable/disable skytab instead.
A cleaning skit will play for lil over 20 seconds and is worth 20 points. Watch your notifications as you'll see "Theirs more to clean here"
Can activate a second clean skit for an additional 20 points. Then a notification "This area is all cleaned up."
Then you'll need another invite to clean another area. Once you have an invite, you can activate it anywhere you want despite what they say.
You cannot clean if Amped and have no arms, or DD'd and has arm bindings. This leaves only Whoring in these cases.
Their are always two cleaning skits per invite, each one will lock your controls while a series if idles play and should end with PC bending down to pick up.

 

To Chop wood:
Go chop wood, can trade wood to any Merchant. Blacksmith, or Innkeeper in that hold for 2 points per log.
You cannot chop wood if DD and armbindings. Or Amped with no arms.

 

To Whore:
Either Innkeeper jobs or Merchant jobs are available. Some holds don't have merchants like Morthal which leaves only InnKeeper job.
If such mods exist that add merchants to these locations then as long as they are in faction JobMerchantFaction then they should suffice.

 

Whore of the Hold: aka InnKeeper job
Speak to the InnKeeper, Look for dialogue "Um I was told you can help me with my Community Service" 
This can happen any time day or night. You can accept or decline the job. 
If accepted. IMPORTANT! This is automated, as npc will force greet you for sex if your enticement score is up.
Enticement score range 0 to 100, like arousal. Its arousal based but ultimately you'll need to entice usually once or twice to build your score.
It'll need to be around 75 to 100. It definitely helps to be nude. Or at least your 32 body slot unequipped.
If DD is installed and a Devious Suit, then You cannot unequip it to entice, but will play DD horny idles instead.
Entice by using the same method as the cleaning skits, Left CNTRL + the action key. Except you wont be cleaning here ! 
This plays some zaz idles so you'll need zaz installed along with you sexlab. 
If the idle don't play or if it stops suddenly then an npc is approaching or trying to. Be patient they'll get to you.
This can be done anywhere in the hold, not just Inns, ideally though Inns would be better suited.
To make it stop, talk to the Innkeeper to either take a break or quit the job.

If you fail to stop it and go venture about skyrim the mod should detect you leaving the hold,

and will(should) stop it.

You cannot receive cleaning invites while active Whore of the Hold, but if you speak to merchant for
Community furniture job the Whore of the Hold will deactivate in its stead or vice versa.
When sex starts if wearing any DD on certain slots, they will be temporarily unequipped while in sex.

If The mod fails to do this then DD will replace the animation with one more suitable(Takes longer and uses more resources).

I know I know, removing bindings for sex may be in-immersive, but I did it for less stress and the bindings poof back on when done. .

Maybe I can add an mcm option for this if requested.

 

Community Furniture:
Speak to a merchant. The dialogue is the same as would be for Whore of the hold.

This can only be done during business hours between 8am and 6 pm.
Upon receiving the furniture, its a flag in your misc inventory. Go outside and find a suitable spot.

Make sure you have adequate space to either side and in front of it.
Try not to place it in a walkway or road, else stupid npc's will walk into it and get stuck.

Be good practice to always make a hard save before placing it ! Click on the Misc item in inventory to place it.
Get in the furniture and look pretty. No need to worry about stripping as it will happen automatically upon activating the furniture.

So if FrostFall, maybe put near a heat source.
Let things happen, Be patient. Keep an eye on time as you wouldn't want to get late for your report in !
If ever needing to re-locate the furniture, then face a new heading and use the Left CNTRL + the action key to move it.
The furniture is just generic zaz pillory for now.

Be sure to save the game before entering it as sometimes exiting it can potentially break your camera.(rare, but has happened)-
always test your camera toggle after it spits you out.     e.g from first to third person and back. 
When sexLab starts, if you have enabled "ask to use furniture" click yes. It should start you in the pillory,

Otherwise sex will happen on the ground next to it (No matter). 
When sex ends. SexLab will spit you out of the furniture. You will then need to re enter the furniture to resume.

If you stay out of it then no sex starts as its only automated if in the furniture.
While in the furniture, If you have followers it may be best to have them sandBoxing or waiting so they don't get in the way.
If you use Sexlabs Intimacy circle, It will get switched off as Furniture duty may require multiple npc's to approach the PC while in the pillory. 
When done It will toggle back on only if it was on to begin with.
Like Whore of the hold, can talk to Merchant to take breaks or quit.

If quitting, the furniture auto removes and deletes, and removes you from active whore duty.
If you wind up with extra furniture flag in inventory, it should auto remove when either quitting duty or venturing away from the hold,

In either case do not try to place it outside the hold location.

A hold is the capital city like Whiterun plus any surrounding townships and farms.
Animations: By default I THINK Leito has a pillory animation thats packed with SexLab.

Its not the best and usually may require sexlab edits to line things up.
It will always look first for Anubs, Nibbles, or Billy's animations as they should have pillory.

I opted to not check by tag "Pillory" as not all these has that tag, Instead I check by name.

Problem here is it only looks for those! So if you know of more out their let me know, and I'll see if they can get added.
If no animations for pillory are found then the option wont be available and you shouldn't get any dialogue for it either.

 

About DD:
The Device's used here are pre set sets I built and tested. I had to remove some like Ball n chain and front hand cuffs,

as they were causing me cdt's.
I think it was an smp issue, still not sure why, but eventually just removed them from those sets.

If you have any info to share on these items, and if fixable I would like to add them back.

If you have particular sets you would like to add or replace then let me know and maybe I can work in an addable option,

But as for now they are presets, and are variety based on level of severity that applies.
You will start with DD, and at every report(evening) they should get swapped for new set so your not always wearing the same set. 
Of course if failing report the severity worsens.
DD is optional. And can be a real challenge, especially if you have my PFA mod is installed. 

It would be best, but your discretion to disable mods that apply DD in their mcm if at all possible, so they don't accidentally conflict with forced devices.
DD requires My DD patch in the downloads as it fills the necessary data to an otherwise blank formlist ! If wanting to edit the sets manually, you can
do it via the formlists, But take note what index its on, as that index on the keyword list must have that devices associated keyword.

And be careful what you add as slot usage shouldn't conflict.

 

About Amps:
You start with lower left leg amped to show Stewy means business! 
It will be okay. You can crawl about on all three's or you can go talk to a Blacksmith.
Blacksmiths can sell you prosthesis's for a price(can be skyTabed).
When purchased, you get them all. When healed, they remove if any from inventory.
As in all, I mean the iron leg, brown wooden leg(xedit barks at this one so I don't personally use), 
and Dwarven(is actually hands and legs, not ideal to use unless specifically amped for it).
The stump caps are automatically added and equipped upon getting that limb amped. 
It would be wise to add the "never remove " to Sexlabs strip slot mcm page for those items.

And the same for other mods like Pee and fart if used. Unless you rather have them off for sexy sex.
It does not appear that being amped effects or breaks sexlab animations. I've sampled a great many, some may seem at odds but hey they work !
The Amputator tweaked mod either removed a prothsetic script or their was never one their. IDK. But its esp was pointing to one none the less.
This script is supposed to change walk animations when equipping/un-equipping prosthesis's.

I noticed right away that wasn't happening for me so I added my own script with same name as the missing one the esp was pointing to.

So If you somehow had that script it would get overwritten by mine.
But anyways the walk animations should dynamically toggle as expected now. Although you may still see a brief moment in wrong stand/walk idle position.
Remember Once amped, you stay amped. No getting healed until the service is completed. Unless you cheat of course.

 

PATCHES:

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HFireGuilds_AmputatorPatch : IS REQUIRED ONLY IF USING AMPUTATOR FRAMEWORK TWEAKED 1.6 se.

This fixes some things. Adds the missing prosthetic script and fixes prosthetic use.

 

FNIS360Patch:  Optional - ONLY NEEDED IF YOU USE FNIS360WALK (lol! not many do anymore) and AMPUTATOR FRAMWORK TWEAKED 

This just adds an event to the Fnis360 walk mod that will force update behavior, this is needed when equipping/unequipping prosthetics.

Potentially other mods that break 360 walk could also utilize this patch, but that mod would need build and send the mod event when needed.

 

HFireGuilds_DDPatch: IS REQUIRED IF USING THE DEVIOUS DEVICES NG MOD. This must be the NG version of DD !

without it HearthFire Guilds will not use DD. 

 

HFire_PropertiesWithoutPesteringPatch: Requires Properties Without Pestering mod.

patches the HousePurchase quest and script, along with some dialogue for home upgrades.

 

You only need one of these below if you use associated mods:

If you already the Hfire_RDO installed and don't want to remove it for another, then just make Xtended_RDO load after.

 

HFire_RDOPatch: Requires Relationship Dialogue Overhaul. 

Small edit patchs just one topic the Rent room topic.

 

HFire_XStay: Requires: Xtended Stay Rent Room mod

Patches the rent room dialogue so your extended stays can be sky tabbed

 

HFire_XStay_Bruma: Requires: Xtended Stay, and Beyond Skyrim Bruma. 

This will need the Xtended's Bruma patch from Xtended fomod to be installed.

 

HFire_XStay_RDO: Requires: Xtended Stay, and Relationship Dialogue Overhaul or RDO

Use this one if you don't use Bruma.

 

HFire_XStay_RDO_Bruma: Requires: Xtended Stay, RDO, and Bruma

This will need the Xtended's Bruma patch from Xtended fomod to be installed.

 

 

 

 

 

Recommended :

Some vanilla quest dialog was edited, if another mod conflicts with these changes without a patch then it will break functionality.

Open HearthFireGuids.esp in xedit and look for conflicts. 

Let me know of any and if possible I'll try to resolve.

 

THANKS SUPPORT:

 

If you wish to show some support

  Ashal, Sexlab and the community. Were would we be without you guys?

  All those awesome animators that work so tirelessly that we may have kool things to do with our spare time!

  Be sure to show them some appreciation!

 

If you wish to leave me a tip.

 Tip Jar

 

ChangeLog: 

V 1_2_0: initial release

V 1_2_1: Reduced the delinquent warning state from 3 days to one day. Payments can still be made in this state to prevent consequences

              any payment attempt after one full day has passed since becoming delinquent

              will be declined and consequences will commence(if enabled).

V 1_4_1

-Added outcomes for when delinquent in payments to your sky tab.
- added can get a larger bounty as an optional outcome.
-added a community service quest for optional outcome with new dialogue and several new features.
- added Sexlab as an optional soft dependency, mcm options for sex starters for community service
-added Devious Devices as an optional outcome for community service
- added Amputator Framework Tweaked as optional outcome for community service
  both of these require the new community service outcome to be enabled and sexlab to be installed and Game Mode enabled

 

v 1_4_3
- Fixed bad start up on Community service. Potential  bug if waiting on courier,

  if two days went by then will cancel courier delivery and force reset and start per next hold encounter
  this fixes a bug if waiting on courier, and for whatever reason courier cannot deliver.

  The scripts go into limbo and community service cant fully start. 
- Fixes consequences setting up. Was depending solely on sleep events.

  I added a 2 day counter, and if no sleep event then will force initialize.
-Added courier note checks from container on end servitude.
-Edited suspendSkyTab mcm - so handles exception if already suspended. 
-Edited Community service completion payment amount to take a bonus from any completed travel assignments,

  and removed interest from applying.  Should make for a better payment now when completing Community service,

  and is a great way to pay off a lot of debt. If failed you'll get penalties to interest instead!

-Fixed some bugs with the "YARL" travel assignment, Some animations were failing, and was getting a Domination bug

  if Domination had failed the skit for whatever reason, then things got stuck on the travel assignment.

  I had to update Domination that sends back an event if was failed. So if you use Domination be sure to grab the update - 4-1_7

  should play nicer now.

 

V_1_5_0
- fixed when paying off debt in full. Interest will be reduced by 0.50
- fixed when Use Bounty, proper amount being added as bounty.
- reduced the initial cost to purchase Guild memberships. 150 ea.
- fixed the message pop up to view stats also works outside community service.
- Added Follower support with FSM Mod. Requires Follower Slavery Mod to be installed(optional)

V_1_5_1

- hot fix - when purchasing membership was checking the speaker's(stewy's) gold count rather the player's 

V_1_5_2
- fixed GetFormFromFile calls after first checking IsPluginInstalled.
   this just fixes some log errors for soft dependency checks

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• Submitter
  Dg75
• Submitted
  09/28/25
• Category
  Adult Mods
• Requirements
• Regular Edition Compatible
  No
• Install Instructions

  Use a mod manager !

 

[MysticDaedra]

I realize you have a specific idea in mind for this mod, but I was thinking it might be interesting to also have an optional connection to the Licenses mod (or similar), to loan money for licenses, or maybe even a method for paying off the Simple Slavery folks or other forms of "modded debt/fees". I don't think we have ever had a mod that gave loans with consequences before, or at least not any that were self-contained and not part of a special unique quest or something. Don't want to feature creep you, but I'd be interested in something like this.

[Dg75]

18 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

I realize you have a specific idea in mind for this mod, but I was thinking it might be interesting to also have an optional connection to the Licenses mod (or similar), to loan money for licenses, or maybe even a method for paying off the Simple Slavery folks or other forms of "modded debt/fees". I don't think we have ever had a mod that gave loans with consequences before, or at least not any that were self-contained and not part of a special unique quest or something. Don't want to feature creep you, but I'd be interested in something like this.

I do plan on expanding it when the idea comes. I left it open for possibilities, and any ideas are always welcome. Needs other possible outcomes besides SLV . . 

Not sure what you mean about  "connection to the Licenses mod (or similar), to loan money for licenses" if you could elaborate on it more would be helpful

[MysticDaedra]

3 hours ago, Dg75 said:

 

Not sure what you mean about  "connection to the Licenses mod (or similar), to loan money for licenses" if you could elaborate on it more would be helpful

The Licenses mod is similar to the old SL Survival mod, with players (optionally) being required to purchase licenses for things such as carrying weapons, wearing armor (or even clothes), having magic, etc. By default, these licenses are very expensive, especially in the early game, making the option to borrow money (hopefully from a devious conniving loan shark lol) very interesting. 

 

[Dg75]

20 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

The Licenses mod is similar to the old SL Survival mod, with players (optionally) being required to purchase licenses for things such as carrying weapons, wearing armor (or even clothes), having magic, etc. By default, these licenses are very expensive, especially in the early game, making the option to borrow money (hopefully from a devious conniving loan shark lol) very interesting. 

 

oh . kool i'll check it out

[Lokikun]

I know it's not everyone cup of tea. But if possible I'd like even more horrible consequences like full amputation and sold as a toy for some skyrim noble. (toast outfit or amputator framework)

 

For other simpler possibilities, a nasty heavy bondage set and being left on the street of a big city for entertainment as a 'warning' with a chance of debt period extension. 

Maybe something involving a full tattoo set, from one of the many packs here via slavetats with 'lock' included and only being unlocked/removed after paying up.

 

 

[Dg75]

21 hours ago, Loki15kun said:

I know it's not everyone cup of tea. But if possible I'd like even more horrible consequences like full amputation and sold as a toy for some skyrim noble. (toast outfit or amputator framework)

 

For other simpler possibilities, a nasty heavy bondage set and being left on the street of a big city for entertainment as a 'warning' with a chance of debt period extension. 

Maybe something involving a full tattoo set, from one of the many packs here via slavetats with 'lock' included and only being unlocked/removed after paying up.

 

 

lots of great ideas, some of which Simple Slavery may offer depending on what mods are plugged into it. Theirs quite a few of them.

I just use public whore and Slutts is enough for me, but getting beat up and amputated then left on some street corner for public amusement may be something, but a question, if you get an amputation like lose a leg or whatever, do you have to finish the whole playthrough without that limb ?

because that may suck.

Edited October 6, 2025 by Dg75

[Lokikun]

On 10/6/2025 at 7:21 PM, Dg75 said:

lots of great ideas, some of which Simple Slavery may offer depending on what mods are plugged into it. Theirs quite a few of them.

I just use public whore and Slutts is enough for me, but getting beat up and amputated then left on some street corner for public amusement may be something, but a question, if you get an amputation like lose a leg or whatever, do you have to finish the whole playthrough without that limb ?

because that may suck.

Amputator framework has prostetics and a recovery spell. 

Prostetics would have to be made available for purchase and then you can use them so you can continue as is. (it does look kinda weird)

It also has a heal spell that can restore limbs, but it would be have to cast on the player in some way (currently you can trigger it with the debug menu on F1)

(I'm not sure if any mod implements and NPC that can heal or sell prostetics somewhere)

 

Toast's outfits only has the quad outfit available by default, but equipping it and applying crawling would have to be done in some way. Plus the healing.

 

You could make it so:

Not paying guild -> lose limbs -> can't do dungeon work -> prostituion -> rent your restored limbs back -> now you have more debt

Now you have to balance guild payments / limb rental. 

(To make it less anoying, limb rental could only expire in cities)

 

If you can't pay your full limbs restoration plus normal guild debt, somewhere along the line you could have a definitive 'bad end' (forever toy) / jail sentence (prision mods) / or your new master heals you and everything begins anew. 

 

Edit:

When limb rental timer expires you lose your restored limb(s) again. 

Lose limb -> can't pay full, so rent limb back -> restoration debt grows -> if you pay full -> limb restored

If you can't pay your restoration rent -> lose restored limb

If your restoration debt / guild debt grows -> lose another limb

 

Just take in consideration that losing legs with amputator stops your combat ability in full. So if you can't offer leg prostetics to the PC, I suggest you leave them for last.

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2025 by Loki15kun
Forgot to mention limb rental non payment

[Dg75]

On 10/9/2025 at 4:56 PM, Loki15kun said:

Amputator framework

All I can find of this mod is oldrim from 2016. Is it compatible with SE ?

[Lokikun]

43 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

All I can find of this mod is oldrim from 2016. Is it compatible with SE ?

I believe the SE version everyone uses is the SE version from this link (second one)

 

I will also add the version, that I have here as a download (I believe it's the same version, but it is in zip format). I download this one in march 2023.

 

 

Amputator Framework Tweaked SE v1.6 (07-May-2021).zip

Edited October 11, 2025 by Loki15kun
In case of not working. I putthe version I have.

[Dg75]

16 minutes ago, Loki15kun said:

I believe the SE version everyone uses is the SE version from this link (second one)

Okay got it. Thanks !

I'll check it out and see what I can I can do with it.

[Dg75]

On 10/9/2025 at 4:56 PM, Loki15kun said:

Amputator framework has prostetics and a recovery spell. 

Easy enough to integrate with it. 

But for the meat of it how does this look:

 

    becomes property of a hold - current hold or if not in a hold a random hold.
    quest driven - centered around yarl's steward

     gets one left leg amputated at start

    You'll be given a target quota to earn back limb renewal and freedom.
    if Hardcore enabled, then this will be the entire guild debt you owe. Otherwise just a normal payment.
    Player will be tasked with either wandering about in town and sexually selling self out to earn gold 
    and would be expected at end of every day(7pm) to report to steward and hand in gold (or else).
    Steward may give a task to venture to a different hold town to sexually appease a paying patronage npc until:
    allotted amount of days passed or the npc has been fully satisfied or looses interest(Fails)
    Must return to the issuing steward and report within one day of being released from paying patronage npc. (or else)
    If failing in any task or failing to hand in enough gold  - may result in other limb amps or increases to target owed.
    can buy Prosthetic s with the gold earned, but are expensive and is deducted from any target amount.
    Prosthetic would only be available from blacksmiths(and cannot be sky tabbed). 
    Other purchases can still be tabbed to sky tab for like room rental, and food...if max debt hasn't been reached

 

    Once paid off, If hardcore - maybe another limb gets amped(for the hell of it) - given a spell scroll and told to go get healed.
    player must venture to Winterhold and the mages college to speak with Colette to be healed(maybe Colette makes some fun out of it too).
    If not hardcore, then upon payoff debt payment, just heals and restores limbs and off you go. 

 

   MCM kill switch to instantly stop quests and restore all limbs.

Edited October 11, 2025 by Dg75

[Lokikun]

1 hour ago, Dg75 said:

Easy enough to integrate with it. 

But for the meat of it how does this look:

 

    becomes property of a hold - current hold or if not in a hold a random hold.
    quest driven - centered around yarl's steward

     gets one left leg amputated at start

    You'll be given a target quota to earn back limb renewal and freedom.
    if Hardcore enabled, then this will be the entire guild debt you owe. Otherwise just a normal payment.
    Player will be tasked with either wandering about in town and sexually selling self out to earn gold 
    and would be expected at end of every day(7pm) to report to steward and hand in gold (or else).
    Steward may give a task to venture to a different hold town to sexually appease a paying patronage npc until:
    allotted amount of days passed or the npc has been fully satisfied or looses interest(Fails)
    Must return to the issuing steward and report within one day of being released from paying patronage npc. (or else)
    If failing in any task or failing to hand in enough gold  - may result in other limb amps or increases to target owed.
    can buy Prosthetic s with the gold earned, but are expensive and is deducted from any target amount.
    Prosthetic would only be available from blacksmiths(and cannot be sky tabbed). 
    Other purchases can still be tabbed to sky tab for like room rental, and food...if max debt hasn't been reached

 

    Once paid off, If hardcore - maybe another limb gets amped(for the hell of it) - given a spell scroll and told to go get healed.
    player must venture to Winterhold and the mages college to speak with Colette to be healed(maybe Colette makes some fun out of it too).
    If not hardcore, then upon payoff debt payment, just heals and restores limbs and off you go. 

 

   MCM kill switch to instantly stop quests and restore all limbs.

 

I really like it. Love the hardcore option too.

Forcing the PC to get the prostetics to keep walking (and fighting) is really good. 

This really makes it so you have to pickpocket and sell yourself for money. Or maybe somehow collect devious devices to sell somewhere. 

 

Makes debt really interesting, and gives you a reason to keep going and trying to get money, while staying in cities. 

[SkyAddiction]

4 hours ago, Dg75 said:

Easy enough to integrate with it. 

But for the meat of it how does this look:

 

    becomes property of a hold - current hold or if not in a hold a random hold.
    quest driven - centered around yarl's steward

     gets one left leg amputated at start

    You'll be given a target quota to earn back limb renewal and freedom.
    if Hardcore enabled, then this will be the entire guild debt you owe. Otherwise just a normal payment.
    Player will be tasked with either wandering about in town and sexually selling self out to earn gold 
    and would be expected at end of every day(7pm) to report to steward and hand in gold (or else).
    Steward may give a task to venture to a different hold town to sexually appease a paying patronage npc until:
    allotted amount of days passed or the npc has been fully satisfied or looses interest(Fails)
    Must return to the issuing steward and report within one day of being released from paying patronage npc. (or else)
    If failing in any task or failing to hand in enough gold  - may result in other limb amps or increases to target owed.
    can buy Prosthetic s with the gold earned, but are expensive and is deducted from any target amount.
    Prosthetic would only be available from blacksmiths(and cannot be sky tabbed). 
    Other purchases can still be tabbed to sky tab for like room rental, and food...if max debt hasn't been reached

 

    Once paid off, If hardcore - maybe another limb gets amped(for the hell of it) - given a spell scroll and told to go get healed.
    player must venture to Winterhold and the mages college to speak with Colette to be healed(maybe Colette makes some fun out of it too).
    If not hardcore, then upon payoff debt payment, just heals and restores limbs and off you go. 

 

   MCM kill switch to instantly stop quests and restore all limbs.

 

If you ever decide to add a version of that without the amputations, I would absolutely use it.

 

Cool little mod, btw. One of the things I've always hated about the Hearthfire homes is just how annoying it is to gather everything to put them together. Grinding stone, clay, and tracking down all the little stuff like glass is fun exactly once.

 

Yet another mod I didn't know I needed that will now sit in my load order permanently.

 

Oh, and it should absolutely be possible to buy the gold tier immediately on credit, for twice the price, of course. I'm sure the payments will be perfectly affordable for a level one PC trotting into a city out of the wilderness...

Edited October 12, 2025 by SkyAddiction

[Wut1969]

I really like the idea of this mod. 👍 Why did nobody think about this earlier? 

 

- A very simple idea of another expansion; let people borrow a fixed amount (MCM adjustable ?) of say 5000 septims. No need to integrate into whatever they plan to do with the money, just apply the consequences when payments are late. 

In my setup it is quite hard to acquire 2000 septims, let alone 5000, so if my PC really wants to buy an expensive enchanted item, she could loan the money and get into trouble later.

I know something similar is already possible in Radiant Prostitution, but the consequences don't extend beyond that mod.

 

- And also a consequences idea; if you just add a bounty of the remaining amount, mods like Prison Overhaul Patched, should be triggered and make life much more interesting for the PC.

 

-And a last one, although a bit more silly maybe, In Bimbos of Skyrim there is a counter called corruption which starts a transformation when reaching 100 points. You could add some corruption when borrowing money. Maybe amount/1000.  

 

And even if you don't like any of these ideas, I'll still add the mod in my next playthrough, because it'll be the first time in years that my player might actually be able to afford building a house. I'm sure she'll be thrilled.

 

 

[Dg75]

5 hours ago, Wut1969 said:

I really like the idea of this mod. 👍 Why did nobody think about this earlier? 

 

- A very simple idea of another expansion; let people borrow a fixed amount (MCM adjustable ?) of say 5000 septims. No need to integrate into whatever they plan to do with the money, just apply the consequences when payments are late. 

In my setup it is quite hard to acquire 2000 septims, let alone 5000, so if my PC really wants to buy an expensive enchanted item, she could loan the money and get into trouble later.

I know something similar is already possible in Radiant Prostitution, but the consequences don't extend beyond that mod.

 

- And also a consequences idea; if you just add a bounty of the remaining amount, mods like Prison Overhaul Patched, should be triggered and make life much more interesting for the PC.

 

-And a last one, although a bit more silly maybe, In Bimbos of Skyrim there is a counter called corruption which starts a transformation when reaching 100 points. You could add some corruption when borrowing money. Maybe amount/1000.  

 

And even if you don't like any of these ideas, I'll still add the mod in my next playthrough, because it'll be the first time in years that my player might actually be able to afford building a house. I'm sure she'll be thrilled.

 

 

I though about loaning septims outright but decided not to as it would be to easy to cheat when making payments. If their was a way that I could 

ensure the borrowed septims wouldn't go toward making payments on the very thing you just borrowed then maybe.

If your PC ever had to buy an expensive enchanted item, you can always unlock gold membership and sky tab which accounts for all

purchases that use a bartes menu.

 

Adding bounty is plausible, in order for force greet by guards or PO to happen the bounty would have to be high, but I can tie in.

 

never used Bimbos of Skyrim before. Sounds interesting though, I'll have check it out.

Edited October 12, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

11 hours ago, SkyAddiction said:

If you ever decide to add a version of that without the amputations, I would absolutely use it.

I am making the alt outcome consequence a quest that if Amputation Framework Tweaked is installed and enabled amps could happen

otherwise the alt quest would just be a lot like Public whore, but with the above described rules, and gold could be acquired by whatever means you have

like whoring, selling stashed items, thieving...An allotted amount would just need handed at end of every day until the target is reached.

The amputations just really spike up the thrill of it and would obviously make it that much more difficult, but are optional.

 

This is going to be sweet when finished !!!

[Wut1969]

Just now, Dg75 said:

I though about loaning septims outright but decided not to as it would be to easy to cheat when making payments. If their was a way that I could 

ensure the borrowed septims wouldn't go toward making payments on the very thing you just borrowed then maybe.

 

I understand that this could happen. But if someone decides to cheat, there are other ways to do that (player.additem 0f 100000). You can't control that either, so I wouldn't worry about that.

 

[Dg75]

On 10/12/2025 at 10:55 AM, Wut1969 said:

You can't control that either

Oh but I can

 

I'll see about it, but no guarantees

Edited October 29, 2025 by Dg75

[SkyAddiction]

On 10/28/2025 at 7:58 PM, Dg75 said:

Oh but I can

 

I don't know if that's wise. If I'm cheating, it's because I'm trying to get around a bug or a soft incompatibility between mods. 

[Dg75]

On 10/30/2025 at 2:20 PM, SkyAddiction said:

 

I don't know if that's wise. If I'm cheating, it's because I'm trying to get around a bug or a soft incompatibility between mods. 

it was meant as a detection only and not( cant undo or wouldn't even if I could alter anything a user does with the console)

None the less - point taken !

[Dg75]

Will be updating soon. Almost done testing. 

adds consequences - Community service that can use Amputator tweaked and Or DD(full dd system for punishment and torment)  Both fully optional.

Whore of the hold - PC can earn community service points from being a dedicated whore or can go around doing cleaning jobs or chopping firewood

Fail to report on time or shy on daily points gets further punishment

While on Community service all crime(most) is forgiven but added to your skytab.  - had to do this to keep the crime bounty from disrupting the quest.

At the end of service, if done well a healthy payment to your sky tab, else more debt. 

[aweeeeeee]

is there a way to make it compatible with Properties without Pestering? 

earlier way to get debt trapped and such

[Dg75]

On 1/25/2026 at 4:27 PM, aweeeeeee said:

is there a way to make it compatible with Properties without Pestering? 

earlier way to get debt trapped and such

I have downloaded a copy of it and will look into it. It probably overwrights the same vanilla dialogue quests as HGuilds do(guessing without looking) 

if so perhaps a patch could be made. It would be a scripted patch in the tiff associated with those dialogues - not something to do in xedit.

In the meantime just load whatever mod you want to win after . . 

[Dg75]

On 1/22/2026 at 10:16 PM, Dg75 said:

Will be updating soon. Almost done testing. 

adds consequences - Community service that can use Amputator tweaked and Or DD(full dd system for punishment and torment)  Both fully optional.

Whore of the hold - PC can earn community service points from being a dedicated whore or can go around doing cleaning jobs or chopping firewood

Fail to report on time or shy on daily points gets further punishment

While on Community service all crime(most) is forgiven but added to your skytab.  - had to do this to keep the crime bounty from disrupting the quest.

At the end of service, if done well a healthy payment to your sky tab, else more debt. 

Got delayed in the final test here. I was using outdated DD NG and was getting cdt on some dd outfits. Unfortunately the updated DD NG requires a new game

So guess what ..  Just got to finish testing these dd sets and should be good to upload.