Sanguine Debauchery (SD+) (January 2025)

[DeepBlueFrog]

8 hours ago, ashesIIashes said:

Will they go through different areas and through doors?

 

Yes.. they should follow through doors.

[Arilou]

14 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

I have tried for years to get that part to work, but AI packages keep tripping over each other.

 

In the end, I had to make the master follow the player around. The reason being they want to keep an eye on their slave at all times.

 

So if you master is idle in a boring area, just walk away. They will follow you to a more useful area.

 

It isn't great for gameplay but it's the best I could come up with.

 

I hope I don't break any guideline here just wanted to mention that the simple fact you keep trying makes you awesome and the mod itself is an unbelievable and incredible work of art. Thanks for sharing something that requires so much work and dedication.

[Demi-lich]

I guess i can play this with Requiem? The only thing seems problematic is that both mods interacts with health regeneration somehow... Anyway it's better to ask. As without Requiem i just can go to Fallout 4 or any other game. Skyrim  becomes too easy and boring very fast, so for me it is just a requirement to launch the game. Anything i need to do for this mods work (ish) together?

[Lyman the Lunatic]

So is Paybacks A Bitch back in the mod? I haven't heard a thing about it at all. I wanted to see my char. being dragged & sold to be trained but it's still just as buggy as it was since yrs back. Shouldn't you update the description in the Help section of the mod to reflect that as well? Indentured Servant is also no longer it's own thing anymore, right?

The audio is an interesting take, although some words came across as silly than serious which is a shame.

[Guest]

YO guys, Im playing the SE version of this, hovever it causes an instant CTD when entering any major city, once i removed this mod the CTDs stopped, any idea what can cause this or how to fix it? IF any other information is needed just ask, i don't want to flood this post with info unless its needed. Thank you.

[DeepBlueFrog]

On 9/2/2021 at 1:13 PM, Lyman the Lunatic said:

So is Paybacks A Bitch back in the mod? I haven't heard a thing about it at all. I wanted to see my char. being dragged & sold to be trained but it's still just as buggy as it was since yrs back. Shouldn't you update the description in the Help section of the mod to reflect that as well? Indentured Servant is also no longer it's own thing anymore, right?

The audio is an interesting take, although some words came across as silly than serious which is a shame.

 

I am in the middle of a clean up of the code to remove features that didn't turn out as I expected and focus on making the remaining features better.

 

I want to keep Payback is a Bitch but it will be probably changed since it isn't working great right now.

 

The Help section will reflect that and other changes once I am done.

[YojimboRatchet]

16 hours ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

I am in the middle of a clean up of the code to remove features that didn't turn out as I expected and focus on making the remaining features better.

 

If you're doing this, then maybe now would be a good time to re-evaluate the mod and its features, and maybe get some feedback that might help you as you do your clean-up.

[DeepBlueFrog]

51 minutes ago, YojimboRatchet said:

 

If you're doing this, then maybe now would be a good time to re-evaluate the mod and its features, and maybe get some feedback that might help you as you do your clean-up.

 

I have been doing that through the forum and through private IMs. I am listening

 

[YojimboRatchet]

On 9/7/2021 at 10:23 AM, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

I have been doing that through the forum and through private IMs. I am listening

 

 

The one thing that keeps going through my mind, is the cage scenes working without using Inte's patch. there are tons of cages littered everywhere, when you're enslaved, they should be taken advantage of.

 

Other than that, having more interaction between the owner and the PC, but I am trying to write down some ideas, and thoughts, which i'll send in a PM whenever I am done.

[LorenRallings]

Hello

 

Btw thanks for porting SD+ To SE, I am loving it lol.

 

I was just wondering if theres any patch or something that might be coming out to have this work better with DD5? The newest DD for SE?

 

SD+ works as intended but when my master goes to put a collar or device on me, most of it fails, it pops up with writing saying, attaching, such and such. And then pops up saying, failed, with what ever the name of the device it was trying to use.

 

And then of course my master is disappointed that I am not wearing my collar, so he beats me. Its a vicious cycle because the collar wont attach and I get in trouble for it lol.

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, LorenRallings said:

Hello

 

Btw thanks for porting SD+ To SE, I am loving it lol.

 

I was just wondering if theres any patch or something that might be coming out to have this work better with DD5? The newest DD for SE?

 

SD+ works as intended but when my master goes to put a collar or device on me, most of it fails, it pops up with writing saying, attaching, such and such. And then pops up saying, failed, with what ever the name of the device it was trying to use.

 

And then of course my master is disappointed that I am not wearing my collar, so he beats me. Its a vicious cycle because the collar wont attach and I get in trouble for it lol.

 

I am currently working on that. Better support for DD5.1 will come in the next update at the end of the month.

[Fraydan]

8 hours ago, LorenRallings said:

Hello

 

Btw thanks for porting SD+ To SE, I am loving it lol.

 

I was just wondering if theres any patch or something that might be coming out to have this work better with DD5? The newest DD for SE?

 

SD+ works as intended but when my master goes to put a collar or device on me, most of it fails, it pops up with writing saying, attaching, such and such. And then pops up saying, failed, with what ever the name of the device it was trying to use.

 

And then of course my master is disappointed that I am not wearing my collar, so he beats me. Its a vicious cycle because the collar wont attach and I get in trouble for it lol.

does it say "equipdevicebystring : failed"? im having the same issue so im trynna make sure that im not alone

[LorenRallings]

Yeah thats what it says. equipdevicebystring failed yup. But im ok with it till the creator finds a way to update it to DD5. I mean I wasnt going to be playing as a compliant slave anyway. So I suppose it makes sense she wouldnt wear her collar if she could. lol

 

 

BTW, being enslaved to creatures and animals works just fine. It has always put on a collar or what ever when I get captured by them. Just sometimes a humanoid doesnt work properly. So I guess till its updated for DD5, perhaps only get captured by Creatures. You could try useing...idk, submissive lola or something to be a slave or whatever to an actual person.

Edited September 15, 2021 by LorenRallings

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, LorenRallings said:

Yeah thats what it says. equipdevicebystring failed yup. But im ok with it till the creator finds a way to update it to DD5. I mean I wasnt going to be playing as a compliant slave anyway. So I suppose it makes sense she wouldnt wear her collar if she could. lol

 

 

BTW, being enslaved to creatures and animals works just fine. It has always put on a collar or what ever when I get captured by them. Just sometimes a humanoid doesnt work properly. So I guess till its updated for DD5, perhaps only get captured by Creatures. You could try useing...idk, submissive lola or something to be a slave or whatever to an actual person.

 

The 'equipdevicebystring' shouldn't be happening except maybe for the boots in the current version. 

Certainly not with the collars.

 

What race of NPC Master did this happen with?

[YojimboRatchet]

One thing i thought about last night, which is something that always bothered me. whenever the owner starts the "valuables" errand, where you have to find stuff to give them, it's really hard to do this quest, without having the owner always following the player, or triggering the escape radius as well. maybe having the escape radius be ignored when this "quest" is active, and have the player given a timeline to complete the errand and go back to the owner. otherwise if they go past, the collar shocks them depleting the health until they return. at which point they would be punished and caged since they were late and it would affect the slave rating.

 

the slave rating system should be a bit more detailed with levels as well. maybe breaking it down to 15 levels or something like that, use a system similar to the Lola mod, which is a great system.

 

i just think that, if you're owned, regardless of how you got there, there should be more interaction and events between the player the owner, non-sex related, and more ownership and slave status related. way too many sex mods already, but not enough slavery mods focusing on just that aspect. Lola is a great start. could make it like the owner needs to go somewhere for an errand, and you're the pony pulling the cart to get them there. or you're forced to be a slave servant during a party, serving drinks and food, with a rating system and reward system depending how you did.

[Lyman the Lunatic]

I just played around with the mod, just something I've noticed.

So, is kneeling & crawling not in the mod anymore? My char. got enslaved but she wasn't tied up (always hated this), but that means she could crawl, but nothing happens. The keys for kneeling & crawling still works, though. If I loaded up an old save when the kneeling & crawling was 1st implemented, it worked fine. I still don't like crawling when my char. is still tied. It looks silly & the arms keep going through her body, switching between being tied up & crawling. I understand some people likes it which is why you added it, I hate crawling not only because the hands keep phasing through my char's body, but it also means her hands are free & escaping her captors are much MUCH easier now.

Just a thought about crawling.

Spoiler

The hands, instead of being crossed behind her, is now crossed in front of her.
The hand restraints will be changed. Maybe something like Zap HDT Wrist Chain or something from Heretical Resources? Just so it looks a lot more believable that she has enough hand movements for crawling & doing some basic tasks, but not enough for escaping. Much more believable than a pop up saying my char. feels compelled not to resist.

While I used to rant against whipping, but I always rant against it when it happens more than raping or happens with no real reason. As of now, I do like how the whipping happens because of failed tasks or not kneeling. I do hate how the collar zaps away my char's mana for just by being there. It's too plot armour-ey to me. Is the word I'm looking for, deus ex machina? It's on the silly side, that's what I'm trying to say.

Just an idea.

Spoiler

Whippings & punishments gives drain mana & stamina debuff that will last for about 1 game day or maybe longer (2 hr maybe?). Just to create that feeling of how the punishments are exhausting & wore down my char's body & will. Maybe give a speed debuff as well? I don't know, Devious Devices & zaz already has speed debuff. This might make my char. moves even slower, but then, it also highlights how getting whipped or punished (while still very much kinky) is a still a bad thing. Maybe the slow debuff is only 1 ingame hr but the mana & stamina drain is 1 game day? Maybe put the debuff after the whipping scene fade or in the whip itself?

The whole "you are compelled to put your weapons away". Oh I just hate it so much. It ruins the whole point of sneaking away. Sneaking away used to be a bad idea because you're naked & the abused debuff makes it hard so you're an easy target but that's the entire point. I like the whole "runaway sex slave" angle, there is fun & challenge in it. Now you just outright said no to that aspect entirely? This feature is wayyyyyy too porn-like for me. Losing on purpose is already bad enough, begging to be abused is already lame, now this? There is no "domination" or "slavery" "submission" "slave" "master" in this mod anymore. I only get my char. to slavery lvl 3 so far & I haven't seen her address her master as "master" yet. I'll be immeasurably disappointed if master-slave dialogues are removed entirely along with all the domination & submission aspects from this mod.

I forgot, wha's the reason for that flame atronach, again? It only seems to exist to scare Sanguine & other Alicias from initiating dialogues & nothing more.
 

Edited September 20, 2021 by Lyman the Lunatic

[DeepBlueFrog]

I still don't understand the problem with kneeling/crawling. It is working fine in my tests. I can use the UP and DOWN keys to change poses between standing, kneeling and crawling.

 

Whipping, zapping effects from the collar and reactions to combat are things I am planning to revisit and improve. 

 

If anything, I am trying to bring the mod back to the domination/submission track.

 

The flame atronach in Dreamworld was a hint about interactions with other Daedra Lords. I will probably remove that feature completely.

 

[Lyman the Lunatic]

I am aware it's the up & down key, which is why I asked. The thing doesn't seem to work on me for some reason. The dialogues work fine, though. I just have to send my char to the "kneel" mode, or else she gets whipped. Ilike it, it's like my char. is being forced to learn her place.

A funny story to tell.
 

Spoiler

So I haven't check what caused this yet. It could be me for not updating Devious Device modules after all these yrs, or it could be that SD conflicts with Public Plaything. I am still trying & see if I can replicate it.
Like I stated prior, my char. was enslaved but she wasn't tied up. Her master decided to notice it a few hrs of day 2 into my char's enslavement. Your mod tried to tie my char up with a Devious Device that doesn't exist, so my char. is in an infinite loop of getting beaten to death. Yes, death, I have to toggle immortal mode on just to keep her alive. The mod can't tie my char. up, her master punishes her, stuck in 1 place by a chain/cage/pole/pillory/etc., your mod tries to tie her up with something from Devious Devices again, can't find it, my char. gets punished again, & it will just keeps on going. It happens so much her master got so tired & just want to sit on a chair. But skyrim being skyrim, he got up on the wrong side & stuck on the other side where the wall is.
It was hilarious.

 

[DeepBlueFrog]

How do you send your character in "kneel' mode if it is not working for you?

 

If the up/down keys are working for you, that's how it is supposed to work. 

There is no forced kneeling anymore.

Kneeling is a choice from the player using the keys.

[Lyman the Lunatic]

26 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

How do you send your character in "kneel' mode if it is not working for you?

 

What I mean, is when I press the up or down key, the small description on the top left will say something like "standing", "kneeling" & "crawling". My char. will never actually kneels or crawls.

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 hour ago, Lyman the Lunatic said:

What I mean, is when I press the up or down key, the small description on the top left will say something like "standing", "kneeling" & "crawling". My char. will never actually kneels or crawls.

 

Thanks.. makes sense.

 

So you get the effect but not the animation. FNIS would be the next thing to look into.

[Lyman the Lunatic]

9 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

FNIS would be the next thing to look into.

 

I ran FNIS all the time, though. Or what else do I have to tick in FNIS?

[DeepBlueFrog]

50 minutes ago, Lyman the Lunatic said:

 

I ran FNIS all the time, though. Or what else do I have to tick in FNIS?

 

Nothing in particular.

Which version of FNIS are you using?

 

I am using this one.

 

[jlttsmiley30]

11 minutes ago, DeepBlueFrog said:

 

Nothing in particular.

Which version of FNIS are you using?

 

I am using this one.

 

Would mind posting your current load order? It could be helpful

[DeepBlueFrog]

1 minute ago, jlttsmiley30 said:

Would mind posting your current load order? It could be helpful

 

I posted it in my LL blog back in April.

My current load order is slightly different but very close to that one.