All Things Natural

[Waity6taity]

On 2/12/2025 at 7:03 AM, Evi1Panda said:

Throw away this NG, no one needs it. This is just a Todd's commercial craft, which did not give players anything but problems.

the OG 1.10.163 version 4 life😎

[LL-Dreamer]

The MCM doesn't works anymore....

[tattooleak]

No MCM available and this is  my fresh install

[Vladel]

I'm lucky enough to have backed up the old version however i had the sticky overlays not removing themselves and as i pointed out, F4EE patched doesn't support NG (I haven't tried it yet though). I do however use T-SEX and that mod applies temporary bruises for some of its scenarios and i've never found them to be sticky.

[gooser]

No MCM

[HeavyYoungHeathens]

I forgot to include mcm folder in Zip 🥲

[smuthunter66]

2 minutes ago, HeavyYoungHeathens said:

I forgot to include mcm folder in Zip 🥲

 

Well that's an easy fix, and that's great news.

Thank you for modding.

[HeavyYoungHeathens]

Reuploaded the file, MCM should work now 👍

[not a BT shirt]

still no mcm folder in the file

[Vladel]

I can confirm MCM is present and in game although the spanks worked without sound, i slept to check they were coming off but now won't reapply, very odd

Edited February 13, 2025 by Vladel

[Enkidu222]

i have MCM too )) so thank you ... so i will test it )))

[rubber_duck]

Thanks for the update!

 

Are you sure the function to remove pimples works? I loaded up the save (first time with this mod), and immediately received pimples. I don't want them because they are ugly, and I wanted to remove them through MCM - but it doesn't work.

 

Manual (hotkey) Spanking works, but I'll need to test other features further.

 

Also, I'm not using the (recommended) patched F4EE; instead, I'm using a custom fork of F4EE by Temetra - the author of Immersive Nail Polish mod. Temetra has fixed the issue with overlays, and also applied Buffout 4's patches, so in my opinion, it's superior to the recommended F4EE.

[Aceforwin]

Thanks for the update 😉

[HeavyYoungHeathens]

On 2/14/2025 at 5:02 AM, Vladel said:

I can confirm MCM is present and in game although the spanks worked without sound, i slept to check they were coming off but now won't reapply, very odd

I forgot Bethesda Archives do not support .wav. Reuploaded unpacked sound folder just in case

[Dojo_dude]

Thanks for the update! We all do this for free!

[Simpossible_xx]

On 11/23/2024 at 7:23 PM, rubber_duck said:

Regarding the purple face issue...

 

The issue's still present, but there's a fix that's been brought up to my attention.

 

All Things Natural (ATN) utilizes SFT to apply 2 facial overlays: tears and ruined makeup (Captive Tattoos). Tears always worked fine, but it's that ruined makeup that caused purple face issues upon applying.

 

I think, though I can't confirm this for sure, that the issue presents itself because of HiPoly Faces. It's the only explaination.

 

In order to solve the purple face issue when applying facial overlays (Captive Tattoos), there are two possible solutions (one good, the other much better):

1. Disable HiPoly Face on Player - this is the fix, but then what's the point of running the mod?
2. Select and install 2K facial textures when installing Captive Tattoos - this is the best of both words, really; you get to use the beloved HiPoly Face + the overlays work properly!

I tested this and no black face was present, so I'm pretty confident that the 2nd solution is the best one for folks running HiPoly Faces. Keep in mind, I'm running:

• HiPoly Faces Redux
• HiPoly Head
• LooksMenu Skin Override skin (Serene Skin)
• 1K face and facial textures

 

@HeavyYoungHeathens, it might be a good idea to either link this post or mention the solution on ATN mod page. I'm sure others would find it helpful!

 

That's all, I hope this helps!

Tears didn't work for me because I installed the main file and 2K version, but didn't install the HD DLC version, as I obviously don't have it. The thing is that the HD DLC version includes the 1K specular map, which is necessary for the tears to show properly on 2K faces. With the 2K specular map in the 2K version, the tears didn't appear on the character's face. I figured this out soon enough, but I think this information should be included in your post to help others who might be confused if their tears don't work.

[Dojo_dude]

ok the ruined makeup does NOT go away... how to remove it, can't even find it in looks menu "extras".
Because it's a headpart?

[rubber_duck]

1 hour ago, Simpossible_xx said:

Tears didn't work for me because I installed the main file and 2K version, but didn't install the HD DLC version, as I obviously don't have it. The thing is that the HD DLC version includes the 1K specular map, which is necessary for the tears to show properly on 2K faces. With the 2K specular map in the 2K version, the tears didn't appear on the character's face. I figured this out soon enough, but I think this information should be included in your post to help others who might be confused if their tears don't work.

 

Feel free to make a new post addressing everything.

 

I've since given up on keeping this mod in my load order, I've set up everything properly, I tried every version of it since it released, and it never worked properly. Sometimes bruises would work, but spanks wouldn't, then tears would/wouldn't work randomly, farts are fixed as of now (I guess), pimples are buggy, and so on.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the mod; but the execution of it isn't good. I don't want to bash the author or anything like that, but this mod is not 'production-ready'. There's a lot (and I do mean a lot) of things that need fixing and sorting out. As much as I'd want to, I don't recommend playing with this mod on your actual save. Create a new save for testing purposes, but keep it (this mod) away from your 'real' save.

[Simpossible_xx]

40 minutes ago, rubber_duck said:

 

Feel free to make a new post addressing everything.

 

I've since given up on keeping this mod in my load order, I've set up everything properly, I tried every version of it since it released, and it never worked properly. Sometimes bruises would work, but spanks wouldn't, then tears would/wouldn't work randomly, farts are fixed as of now (I guess), pimples are buggy, and so on.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the mod; but the execution of it isn't good. I don't want to bash the author or anything like that, but this mod is not 'production-ready'. There's a lot (and I do mean a lot) of things that need fixing and sorting out. As much as I'd want to, I don't recommend playing with this mod on your actual save. Create a new save for testing purposes, but keep it (this mod) away from your 'real' save.

Thank you. Mind to share what kind of things need fixing? I'm gonna test this mod for myself anyway, just wanna know what to look for.

[rubber_duck]

50 minutes ago, Simpossible_xx said:

Thank you. Mind to share what kind of things need fixing? I'm gonna test this mod for myself anyway, just wanna know what to look for.

 

Sure. These are all the issues I've managed to detect:

• Bruises are random - I know how it's supposed to work, but sometimes, for some reason, they would get applied, then healed, and then never appear again.
• Bruises sometimes don't clear.
• Spanking (manually) is inconsistent - sometimes the slap is visible, other times it's not.
• Spanking (Sex Harassment) is broken. No matter how many/frequently NPCs spank the Player, no slaps are visible.
• Spanking overlays sometimes don't get cleared.
• Tears (from non-Consensual animations) is inconsistent - sometimes it clears the tears, but then it breaks for some reason and doesn't clear them.
• I had the issue of it randomly applying tears, for some reason or another (no animation happened before) - no idea what happened.
• Farts are on thin-ice - at the moment, they seem to work, but don't alert enemies.
• I've never seen it apply 'anal blood', but I'll give it that because I didn't test the mod 100%.
• Pimples would get applied randomly, and even apply multiple overlays (rather than just 1 overlay for pimples). This makes your character very ugly.

I think that's pretty much it. Again, I'd really, really like to use the mod and see it succeed, but (at the moment, at least) - it's not ready. It definitely needs to spend more time in the oven.

 

Edited February 16, 2025 by rubber_duck

[Vladel]

18 hours ago, rubber_duck said:

 

Sure. These are all the issues I've managed to detect:

• Bruises are random - I know how it's supposed to work, but sometimes, for some reason, they would get applied, then healed, and then never appear again.
• Bruises sometimes don't clear.
• Spanking (manually) is inconsistent - sometimes the slap is visible, other times it's not.
• Spanking (Sex Harassment) is broken. No matter how many/frequently NPCs spank the Player, no slaps are visible.
• Spanking overlays sometimes don't get cleared.
• Tears (from non-Consensual animations) is inconsistent - sometimes it clears the tears, but then it breaks for some reason and doesn't clear them.
• I had the issue of it randomly applying tears, for some reason or another (no animation happened before) - no idea what happened.
• Farts are on thin-ice - at the moment, they seem to work, but don't alert enemies.
• I've never seen it apply 'anal blood', but I'll give it that because I didn't test the mod 100%.
• Pimples would get applied randomly, and even apply multiple overlays (rather than just 1 overlay for pimples). This makes your character very ugly.

I think that's pretty much it. Again, I'd really, really like to use the mod and see it succeed, but (at the moment, at least) - it's not ready. It definitely needs to spend more time in the oven.

 

 

So i've got spanking applying and unapplying at the moment but that's not tested in a scenario where you've saved with an overlay active (which is from what i hear when overlays get sticky). Bruises were great for me on the old version but they wouldn't remove themselves. I've never seen anal blood and i was happy to turn off the pimples as i'm not interested in it. 

 

Recently i restarted all my games to change some mod loading and i'm not sure at the minute i've got as much will to test as i did before given that i'm currently trying to fully integrate another new mod and i don't want to complicate things. I brought a lot of feedback on earlier versions so i hope others will take up the slack or once i'm certain my current new addition is bedded in, i may return to it. 

[HeavyYoungHeathens]

On 2/17/2025 at 5:43 AM, rubber_duck said:

 

Sure. These are all the issues I've managed to detect:

• Bruises are random - I know how it's supposed to work, but sometimes, for some reason, they would get applied, then healed, and then never appear again.
• Bruises sometimes don't clear.
• Spanking (manually) is inconsistent - sometimes the slap is visible, other times it's not.
• Spanking (Sex Harassment) is broken. No matter how many/frequently NPCs spank the Player, no slaps are visible.
• Spanking overlays sometimes don't get cleared.
• Tears (from non-Consensual animations) is inconsistent - sometimes it clears the tears, but then it breaks for some reason and doesn't clear them.
• I had the issue of it randomly applying tears, for some reason or another (no animation happened before) - no idea what happened.
• Farts are on thin-ice - at the moment, they seem to work, but don't alert enemies.
• I've never seen it apply 'anal blood', but I'll give it that because I didn't test the mod 100%.
• Pimples would get applied randomly, and even apply multiple overlays (rather than just 1 overlay for pimples). This makes your character very ugly.

I think that's pretty much it. Again, I'd really, really like to use the mod and see it succeed, but (at the moment, at least) - it's not ready. It definitely needs to spend more time in the oven.

 

Well, I have been playtesting it on my save, 9 hours in and so far only pimples are malfunctioning, not in a bad way they just dont reapply.
Everything else is working fine for me.

I was fighting an uphill battle with overlay functions, both AAF and Looksmenu are buggy at applying/scanning/removing them. Thanks to recent F4EE bug fix mod, it makes my mod stable.

There are reasons why I couldn't implement removal of overlays the way it is done in TatsAfterRape, in Ego's code, removal is done through while function. Basically mod scans and disables overlay until it can't find it anymore, although it fixes the bug mentionted above my mod functionality is a bit more twisted and requires all sorts of timers, instances where overlays have to appear and disappear in quick succession etc. But like I said, with F4EE fixed that annoying bug.

Also I should've mentioned that but clean save is absolutely required after the update. Since I rewrote the code, it may malfunction on older saves where older version was present.

[Vladel]

2 hours ago, HeavyYoungHeathens said:

Well, I have been playtesting it on my save, 9 hours in and so far only pimples are malfunctioning, not in a bad way they just dont reapply.
Everything else is working fine for me.

I was fighting an uphill battle with overlay functions, both AAF and Looksmenu are buggy at applying/scanning/removing them. Thanks to recent F4EE bug fix mod, it makes my mod stable.

There are reasons why I couldn't implement removal of overlays the way it is done in TatsAfterRape, in Ego's code, removal is done through while function. Basically mod scans and disables overlay until it can't find it anymore, although it fixes the bug mentionted above my mod functionality is a bit more twisted and requires all sorts of timers, instances where overlays have to appear and disappear in quick succession etc. But like I said, with F4EE fixed that annoying bug.

Also I should've mentioned that but clean save is absolutely required after the update. Since I rewrote the code, it may malfunction on older saves where older version was present.

Should be ok to install on a save that hasn't used the mod though?

[rubber_duck]

2 hours ago, HeavyYoungHeathens said:

Well, I have been playtesting it on my save, 9 hours in and so far only pimples are malfunctioning, not in a bad way they just dont reapply.
Everything else is working fine for me.

 

My previous post might've sounded a bit too harsh. It's nothing personal, I'll tell you that. I simply love the idea of this mod and would love to see it succeed.

While I wish I could say the same, it's not the case - the issues I mentioned in my previous post are a summary of my experience with the mod.

 

2 hours ago, HeavyYoungHeathens said:

I was fighting an uphill battle with overlay functions, both AAF and Looksmenu are buggy at applying/scanning/removing them. Thanks to recent F4EE bug fix mod, it makes my mod stable.

There are reasons why I couldn't implement removal of overlays the way it is done in TatsAfterRape, in Ego's code, removal is done through while function. Basically mod scans and disables overlay until it can't find it anymore, although it fixes the bug mentionted above my mod functionality is a bit more twisted and requires all sorts of timers, instances where overlays have to appear and disappear in quick succession etc. But like I said, with F4EE fixed that annoying bug.

 

I know it's difficult to get things working. Especially when your mod is based off of something that's buggy in the first place. I think that LooksMenu is the way to go, when it comes to applying and removing overlays. Glad to see you got rid of AAF!

 

From my further testing, on a clean save, I can report my (updated) findings (based on my original post):

• ✔️ Bruises - get applied and cleared properly
• ✔️ Tears - seem to work as expected. Giving it a pass at the moment, but I definitely need to test it a bit more, under different conditions
• ✔️ Tears don't get randomly applied (a weird issue I had with one of the prior versions)
• ✔️ Farts work properly
• ✔️ Spanking (manual/hotkey) overlays work properly
• ❓ Anal blood - untested yet, but I have a feeling it will work
• ❌ Pimples need rework - they get applied and don't get cleared. To make matters worse, they stack up (get applied one overlay over the other) even though they never clear.
• ❌ Spanking (SH) doesn't apply overlays - straight-up, getting spanked by an NPC through SH doesn't work (apply overlays). Do NPCs need to spank the player N amount of times for the first overlay to become visible?

That's pretty much it. While I didn't have the time to test everything, I'd say a progress can be seen.

 

Additionally, a new function for hard-resetting (complete restart) of the mod would be superb. If possible, of course. This function should ensure that, once executed (from MCM menu button), the mod gets stopped, all its data removed from the save and then started again. This eliminates the need for doing a clean save, and I believe that'd be a big plus.

 

2 hours ago, HeavyYoungHeathens said:

Also I should've mentioned that but clean save is absolutely required after the update. Since I rewrote the code, it may malfunction on older saves where older version was present.

 

I wouldn't be so sure on that. The save I initially tested this on was a clean one - the older version of ATN was present, but I removed it and continued with my playthrough. Then I added (enabled) the ATN to it, and got the results that I shared with you.

 

I don't want to discourage you from continuing your work - like I already said, I want this mod to succeed, I want to have it working in my game, and that's why I'm thorough with everything.

 

Sorry for a long post; I do hope that you find the feedback useful. Keep up the good work, mate!

 

Edited February 21, 2025 by rubber_duck

[HeavyYoungHeathens]

17 hours ago, rubber_duck said:

 

My previous post might've sounded a bit too harsh. It's nothing personal, I'll tell you that. I simply love the idea of this mod and would love to see it succeed.

While I wish I could say the same, it's not the case - the issues I mentioned in my previous post are a summary of my experience with the mod.

 

 

I know it's difficult to get things working. Especially when your mod is based off of something that's buggy in the first place. I think that LooksMenu is the way to go, when it comes to applying and removing overlays. Glad to see you got rid of AAF!

 

From my further testing, on a clean save, I can report my (updated) findings (based on my original post):

• ✔️ Bruises - get applied and cleared properly
• ✔️ Tears - seem to work as expected. Giving it a pass at the moment, but I definitely need to test it a bit more, under different conditions
• ✔️ Tears don't get randomly applied (a weird issue I had with one of the prior versions)
• ✔️ Farts work properly
• ✔️ Spanking (manual/hotkey) overlays work properly
• ❓ Anal blood - untested yet, but I have a feeling it will work
• ❌ Pimples need rework - they get applied and don't get cleared. To make matters worse, they stack up (get applied one overlay over the other) even though they never clear.
• ❌ Spanking (SH) doesn't apply overlays - straight-up, getting spanked by an NPC through SH doesn't work (apply overlays). Do NPCs need to spank the player N amount of times for the first overlay to become visible?

That's pretty much it. While I didn't have the time to test everything, I'd say a progress can be seen.

 

Additionally, a new function for hard-resetting (complete restart) of the mod would be superb. If possible, of course. This function should ensure that, once executed (from MCM menu button), the mod gets stopped, all its data removed from the save and then started again. This eliminates the need for doing a clean save, and I believe that'd be a big plus.

 

 

I wouldn't be so sure on that. The save I initially tested this on was a clean one - the older version of ATN was present, but I removed it and continued with my playthrough. Then I added (enabled) the ATN to it, and got the results that I shared with you.

 

I don't want to discourage you from continuing your work - like I already said, I want this mod to succeed, I want to have it working in my game, and that's why I'm thorough with everything.

 

Sorry for a long post; I do hope that you find the feedback useful. Keep up the good work, mate!

 

Christ I forgot to include SH patch in the file, I swear I have dementia or something