MinAI - AI (SFW/NSFW) for CHIM

[Loopdeloop]

3 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

I don't want to backseat moderate Min's thread, but folks, this is a thread about MinAI, not AI-FF. The AI-FF Nexus page has excellent instructions on how to install AI-FF, including text and video guides. Refer to those, and if you're still lost ask for help on the AI-FF discord.

 

This is not a simple "drop into MO2, activate on right pane, hit play" type of mod like most, it requires installation and configuration of non-Skyrim-related software and resources. I'm pretty good at this kind of stuff, and I even have extensive experience with AI image generation and dealing with AI software like this, and it still took me a couple of hours to get installed, and after several days I'm still tweaking and adjusting things. It is 100% worth it, the in-game experience is incredibly... outstanding, amazing, fantastic... But you can't expect to just download a file, install it, and start playing immediately.

 

Here's the link to the current AI-FF installation guide video:

 

They're also really helpful on the AI-FF Discord. 

[Squeetsquib]

3 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

If you don't have that directory, then AI-FF is not working at all, because it isn't installed. If you do have that directory, then AI-FF is working. Conversely, if AI-FF is working, then you have that directory. If you're having trouble find the directory, make sure you're looking at your WSL installation. AI-FF has its own distro of linux that it uses.

 

Difference between free and paid? Looking for something fast, The delay right now with the model im using is horrendous. 

 

AI-FF, ElevenLabs, OpenRouter, nousresearch/hermes-3-llama-3.1-70bt

[Loopdeloop]

54 minutes ago, Squeetsquib said:

 

Difference between free and paid? Looking for something fast, The delay right now with the model im using is horrendous. 

 

AI-FF, ElevenLabs, OpenRouter, nousresearch/hermes-3-llama-3.1-70bt

I used that model for a while and had no real delays with it in AI-FF, and it doesn't appear to have high latency according to the stats on the Openrouter models page. I've never used Elevenlabs, though. Could that be causing your delays?

 

In a previous post, Min, the mod author, recommended the Mistral Small model. Not tried it myself, though. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by Loopdeloop

[orclover]

On 9/22/2024 at 8:55 PM, Min said:

No problem! I'm having fun with it. 

 

Here's the list of all supported sex tags for Mantella:

  

 

These tags work incredibly well in mantella.  I added them into the prompt and tested if the NPC would drive the scene if I just hit H and leave it blank.  The NPC went from sex to facial for me to cum, then fingering for her to cum, she came through ostim and then she went to cuddling to end scene.  There were no missed keywords or prompts and all animations were switched appropriately.  I didn't say or dictate anything.  NPCS will ask for positions so some sort of connector to position animations would be awesome and it would be cool if NPCs could end scene with a keyword like -end sex- when they are done.  Thank you for the amazing work.  

 

I was looking through ostim files and every scene has a scene tag inside the .json and also the .json is named in such a way that it explains the scene ie..."OStim2PStandingFingeringFromBehindMF" is name of one of the scenes in the skse for 2p, MF, sexual.  So if you can link this .json to the animation the llm should be able to pick from a prompt like "I want to finger you from behind while standing". IDK...just trying to help. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by orclover

[Min]

4 hours ago, Loopdeloop said:

I used that model for a while and had no real delays with it in AI-FF, and it doesn't appear to have high latency according to the stats on the Openrouter models page. I've never used Elevenlabs, though. Could that be causing your delays?

 

In a previous post, Min, the mod author, recommended the Mistral Small model. Not tried it myself, though. 

It was mistral-small-latest specifically, which isn't available on openrouter. I also stopped using it - While it worked great for testing, it is lackluster for regular gameplay. The model is excellent at function execution, but has pretty flat RP. I went back to command r+ (NOT 08-2024).

[Min]

4 hours ago, orclover said:

These tags work incredibly well in mantella.  I added them into the prompt and tested if the NPC would drive the scene if I just hit H and leave it blank.  The NPC went from sex to facial for me to cum, then fingering for her to cum, she came through ostim and then she went to cuddling to end scene.  There were no missed keywords or prompts and all animations were switched appropriately.  I didn't say or dictate anything.  NPCS will ask for positions so some sort of connector to position animations would be awesome and it would be cool if NPCs could end scene with a keyword like -end sex- when they are done.  Thank you for the amazing work.  

 

I was looking through ostim files and every scene has a scene tag inside the .json and also the .json is named in such a way that it explains the scene ie..."OStim2PStandingFingeringFromBehindMF" is name of one of the scenes in the skse for 2p, MF, sexual.  So if you can link this .json to the animation the llm should be able to pick from a prompt like "I want to finger you from behind while standing". IDK...just trying to help. 

 

I'm curious what sort of prompt you're providing the LLM - Mind sharing? The Mantella configs I'm publishing are super out of date.

[orclover]

50 minutes ago, Min said:

 

I'm curious what sort of prompt you're providing the LLM - Mind sharing? The Mantella configs I'm publishing are super out of date.

I just inserted all of the -keyword- sex tags and told the npc to use them during sex scenes.  Just added those to your vanilla configs.  I use hermes 405b as well and I add into the NPC bio that they like dirty talk, which might help since the keywords are dirty talk.  Who knows really, could have been anecdotal.  

[billypnats]

not sure if it's jsut me but beta27 seems to make the whole thing not working? Even chat simulation seems to hang. works if i revert back to beta26 by replacing the minAI_plugin folder

[MysticDaedra]

5 hours ago, Min said:

It was mistral-small-latest specifically, which isn't available on openrouter. I also stopped using it - While it worked great for testing, it is lackluster for regular gameplay. The model is excellent at function execution, but has pretty flat RP. I went back to command r+ (NOT 08-2024).

Oof, $3/M tokens? That'd go by in only a few hours I think. How quickly are you using your openrouter credits with Command R+ (04-2024)?

 

BTW, got a future integration request: Submissive Lola: The Resubmission. In the vein of DFR but less about having a devious follower and more about being in a D/s relationship with your follower. Has much of the same gameplay/storytelling potential of DFR.

[Min]

5 hours ago, billypnats said:

not sure if it's jsut me but beta27 seems to make the whole thing not working? Even chat simulation seems to hang. works if i revert back to beta26 by replacing the minAI_plugin folder

I played pretty extensively with beta27, as did a lot of other users. Check your server error log to see if there's anything interesting / relevant.

[Min]

3 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Oof, $3/M tokens? That'd go by in only a few hours I think. How quickly are you using your openrouter credits with Command R+ (04-2024)?

 

BTW, got a future integration request: Submissive Lola: The Resubmission. In the vein of DFR but less about having a devious follower and more about being in a D/s relationship with your follower. Has much of the same gameplay/storytelling potential of DFR.

 

No, not 04-2024 either. cohere/command-r-plus. 

 

It is indeed one of the more expensive models - If I play really heavily in a day, I might spend a few dollars on it. I don't mind this for the quality of the model, though everyone's going to have a different appetite for the cost:quality ratio. I've tried many models, but I keep going back to this one.

[Loopdeloop]

3 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Oof, $3/M tokens? That'd go by in only a few hours I think. How quickly are you using your openrouter credits with Command R+ (04-2024)?

 

BTW, got a future integration request: Submissive Lola: The Resubmission. In the vein of DFR but less about having a devious follower and more about being in a D/s relationship with your follower. Has much of the same gameplay/storytelling potential of DFR.

I've been using Cohere Command R+ 08-24 which is similar in performance but a bit cheaper at $2.50/M tokens, and played a fair bit over the past month since MinAI and AI-FF came out. In that time it's cost me about $8. So not cheap but not particularly expensive.

[Min]

5 minutes ago, Loopdeloop said:

I've been using Cohere Command R+ 08-24 which is similar in performance but a bit cheaper at $2.50/M tokens, and played a fair bit over the past month since MinAI and AI-FF came out. In that time it's cost me about $8. So not cheap but not particularly expensive.

 

People keep saying that 08-2024 is similar in performance, but that really hasn't been my experience. I'm not sure why, but I had a much rougher time getting the 08-2024 version to consistently execute functions / actions than the cohere/command-r-plus model. 

[sigiel]

hi, MinAI is constantly making "canary error", regardless of new game, new install, or across vasty different load order, even across different installation. I have 3 main M02 instance, and serval load order in each, one of them is novlus. 

 

Specifically the survival script.

and another one as well but i don't have the saves anymore.

 

it's at least the 10th time i noticed it. 

[Min]

2 hours ago, sigiel said:

hi, MinAI is constantly making "canary error", regardless of new game, new install, or across vasty different load order, even across different installation. I have 3 main M02 instance, and serval load order in each, one of them is novlus. 

 

Specifically the survival script.

and another one as well but i don't have the saves anymore.

 

it's at least the 10th time i noticed it. 

I have no idea what "Canary error" means. What symptoms are you encountering?

 

Also, FWIW: I checked my own saves in Resaver, and don't have this warning. Also, minai_Survival is one of the simpler / more light-weight files in the mod. I"m not sure how it would be causing errors specifically. Do you have Papyrus Tweaks installed as per the requirements?

Edited September 25, 2024 by Min

[Min]

Beta28

• Added check to prevent NSFW actions from being exposed to LLM for child actors
• Devious Follower integration greatly improved / fixed for AIFF.
• Added better armor/revealed/undressed state awareness.
• Fixed actor name detection for sex scenes, which was broken in some cases.
• Added DD moan to CBPC collisions on appropriate areas.
• Fixed all NPC's being reported as being the player's race.
• Various prompt and action enforcement improvements.
• Other assorted bugfixes.
   

[Squeetsquib]

Got a crash after a scene, which i had not previously experienced before this mod

 

https://pastebin.com/jQiHVSsT

[Squeetsquib]

Also,

 

in some cases telling an npc to undress removes their invisible wig. Any chance to disable this?

[nilead]

After setting up this with AIFF, its just about the most impressive thing ive seen in terms of interactive entertainment, let alone poor old skyrim.

I dont usually run followers, wich i though would kill alot of the fun for me, but after a while narrator got quite talkative... and active. This mod is pure gold. 

 Im sure you have plenty of your own ideas and goals, and thank you very much for sharing what you make.

If you do take ideas or suggestions into acount - integration of fewer dreams would be cool https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/36468-fever-dreams-vaerminas-curse/ 

As in - AI being aware of the dreams and treating them as such. 

 

[Min]

7 hours ago, Squeetsquib said:

Got a crash after a scene, which i had not previously experienced before this mod

 

https://pastebin.com/jQiHVSsT

The only CTD's that are likely to be from this mod would be from AI-FF's DLL. Your call-stack does look to be coming from AiAgent.dll, so it could well be related. I can't debug without further info though.  Pull your ai log from when this happened, and share the messages from just before the crash.

 

5 hours ago, Squeetsquib said:

Also,

 

in some cases telling an npc to undress removes their invisible wig. Any chance to disable this?

How can I differentiate the invisible wig from other items?

Edited September 26, 2024 by Min

[Min]

3 hours ago, nilead said:

After setting up this with AIFF, its just about the most impressive thing ive seen in terms of interactive entertainment, let alone poor old skyrim.

I dont usually run followers, wich i though would kill alot of the fun for me, but after a while narrator got quite talkative... and active. This mod is pure gold. 

 Im sure you have plenty of your own ideas and goals, and thank you very much for sharing what you make.

If you do take ideas or suggestions into acount - integration of fewer dreams would be cool https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/36468-fever-dreams-vaerminas-curse/ 

As in - AI being aware of the dreams and treating them as such. 

 

Yeah. Despite the name, AI Follower Framework works just fine for non-follower NPC's too. Add a shop-keeper and ask them to trade. Add an innkeeper and ask them for a room. I've been trying to add a bunch of vanilla integrations too, in addition to the nsfw stuff.  

Edited September 26, 2024 by Min

[bdsan]

I have been looking into AIFF and MinAI code to understand how it works under the hood. Both projects are genius.

 

I do have couple questions that I can't figure out though. From my understanding, SLAP and SLHH can be initiated from NPC. I assume MinAI only uses them to get attributes and perform scene rather than using them to initiate the conversation, and you are not using them to initiate the conversation in anyway? It would be cool if instead of having screen prompt for selection, NPC instead initiate the conversation.

 

I also wish that AIFF integrate with framework like NFF to allow NPCs to become followers without having to go through NFF menu.

Edited September 26, 2024 by bdsan

[BigOnes69]

23 hours ago, MysticDaedra said:

Oof, $3/M tokens? That'd go by in only a few hours I think. How quickly are you using your openrouter credits with Command R+ (04-2024)?

 

BTW, got a future integration request: Submissive Lola: The Resubmission. In the vein of DFR but less about having a devious follower and more about being in a D/s relationship with your follower. Has much of the same gameplay/storytelling potential of DFR.

Sub Lola Resub is a far superior mod to DF . Hex Bolt is one of this sites premium modders. I have had near zero major problems with it over the years, DF has had many and is far more intrusive on the game.

[(\x.x x) (\x.x x)]

53 minutes ago, bdsan said:

I also wish that AIFF integrate with framework like NFF to allow NPCs to become followers without having to go through NFF menu.

You might be able to convince the AIFF team to convince to add actions for that, since the recommend NFF already.

That said, I think the are higher priorities, like being able to bulk change models.

[bdsan]

3 hours ago, (\x.x x) (\x.x x) said:

You might be able to convince the AIFF team to convince to add actions for that, since the recommend NFF already.

That said, I think the are higher priorities, like being able to bulk change models.

 

Or I may try to learn how to do it...

 

Is there a way to get more variety conversation after some relationship or sex scene, it seems repeating. 

 

also, i have to talk multiple times, the NPC doesn't seem to start the sex scene even if he keeps saying to start. May be the model issue that it doesn't call the function?

Edited September 26, 2024 by bdsan