Binding

[Lazy Palm]

9 hours ago, Kargano01 said:

But i recognized a other isssue. This time i activated survival and on Camp Sleep (with fake sleeb enabled and disabled) Mistress wont wake up. Wartet long time ( more tha 15min) when i sleep with actin key, it counts as sleep. But after more than a night and a Day ingame, only the safe word Was waking up my Mistress.

 

I will check this issue out.  Thanks for letting me know!

[Lazy Palm]

0.3.14 preview - sex lab updates

 

Added:

• In sex settings in MCM: will display all non blocked tags from SL and give you the option to Use or Block specific tags.  All of the use tags will be treated as OR conditions not AND.

Fixed:

• Failed animation loads from sex lab will terminate quests
• System will log selected tags and animations found when running sex scenes
• Replaced animation find function for 2 person sex to one that is hopefully more reliable for P+ users (let me know if it helps)

Other fixes:

• Fixed an issue with door permissions not resetting properly that was impacting entry/exit rules

 

If anybody notices any deal breaking issues with this version, please let me know and I will try to get a patch out asap.  Thanks!

Binding 0.3.14 preview.7z

Edited April 25, 2025 by Lazy Palm

[Scautura]

Again, posted on Discord, but posting on here for anyone else to see (and if I'm the only person with the issue).

A bug introduced with 0.3.14 means I can't access the Sex & Arousal tab without it freezing MCM (by that, I mean I can't access any other tabs of binding, nor can I access any other MCM until completely backing out of the pause menu and trying again). This is kinda breaking, because it means not being able to add settings for free sex/bound sex/bound masturbation.

 

Tested with a save that already had 0.3.13 (which doesn't have the bug) and with a fresh character, result is the same.

[Josensen]

20 hours ago, Scautura said:

Again, posted on Discord, but posting on here for anyone else to see (and if I'm the only person with the issue).

A bug introduced with 0.3.14 means I can't access the Sex & Arousal tab without it freezing MCM (by that, I mean I can't access any other tabs of binding, nor can I access any other MCM until completely backing out of the pause menu and trying again). This is kinda breaking, because it means not being able to add settings for free sex/bound sex/bound masturbation.

 

Tested with a save that already had 0.3.13 (which doesn't have the bug) and with a fresh character, result is the same.

Maybe you only have to wait some seconds more as the tap now loads all the tags

[lovalter]

On 4/25/2025 at 3:02 PM, Scautura said:

Again, posted on Discord, but posting on here for anyone else to see (and if I'm the only person with the issue).

A bug introduced with 0.3.14 means I can't access the Sex & Arousal tab without it freezing MCM (by that, I mean I can't access any other tabs of binding, nor can I access any other MCM until completely backing out of the pause menu and trying again). This is kinda breaking, because it means not being able to add settings for free sex/bound sex/bound masturbation.

 

Tested with a save that already had 0.3.13 (which doesn't have the bug) and with a fresh character, result is the same.

Can confirm

[Lazy Palm]

0.3.15 preview

 

Fixed:

• Public humiliation quest is back (as a punishment) - it has been a bit reworked with crowds - only in whiterun currently, will add other cities/towns
• Fixed issue with ZAP furniture not working (still not under the placement menu, but should work for getting tied in and released)
• Revamped entry/exit rules for buildings (works but still WIP)
• No longer need to kneel to start word wall quest, just ask the dom when close
• Added A-Z paging on SL tags (if more than 128 items).  If this does not work have a fall back plan to provide text fields to specify tags for larger lists.  Let me know.

Binding 0.3.15 preview.7z

[Vladel]

On the bright side i got the deals being enacted after i got an update to FISSES however, the bondage deals take an eternity to implement. Your character will be standing there for ages while your follower fiddles around.

[lovalter]

22 hours ago, Lazy Palm said:

0.3.15 preview

 

Fixed:

• Public humiliation quest is back (as a punishment) - it has been a bit reworked with crowds - only in whiterun currently, will add other cities/towns
• Fixed issue with ZAP furniture not working (still not under the placement menu, but should work for getting tied in and released)
• Revamped entry/exit rules for buildings (works but still WIP)
• No longer need to kneel to start word wall quest, just ask the dom when close
• Added A-Z paging on SL tags (if more than 128 items).  If this does not work have a fall back plan to provide text fields to specify tags for larger lists.  Let me know.

Binding 0.3.15 preview.7z 303.9 kB · 42 downloads

Now I can open the Sex & Arousal tab, but not the Tags one 😆

[Lazy Palm]

7 hours ago, lovalter said:

Now I can open the Sex & Arousal tab, but not the Tags one 😆

 

OK, I will try plan C then 🙂  Thanks for letting me know.  I have an issue with the kneeling also that needs to be fixed so I will try to get out a patch tomorrow!

[Scautura]

16 hours ago, lovalter said:

Now I can open the Sex & Arousal tab, but not the Tags one 😆

 

Tagging @Lazy Palm as well:

Can open Sex & Arousal, and also Tags (but it takes a while; I went to get breakfast so it had time to load!) Unfortunately, it loads blank (although I'm not sure if it should have anything in it, the errors in the Papyrus log are similar, if not the same, as ones I previously had). P+ 2.14, DD NG 0.4.1, and wondering if Papyrus Tweaks NG may have an effect on the situation (as in, I have it installed).

Spoilered for space concerns:

Spoiler

 

[04/29/2025 - 12:53:37PM] Error: Cannot call GetWornForm() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_gearmanager.IsNude() - "bind_GearManager.psc" Line 810
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.DisplayStatus() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 1175
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.OnPageReset() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 303
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 861
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.OpenConfig() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 828
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (35000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnModSelect() - "mgddgfsedsolmrqyulorz" Line 314
[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] Error: Cannot cast from None to String[]
stack:
	[SexLabQuestAnimations (180639DF)].sslAnimationSlots.GetAllTags() - "wjlgawrplgmwkncthciha" Line 394
	[SexLabQuestFramework (18000D62)].sexlabframework.GetAllAnimationTags() - "vqdzpfmeubtduuqpkdr" Line 1242
	<unknown self>.bind_sexlabhelper.GetAllAnimationTags() - "bind_SexLabHelper.psc" Line 94
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.DisplaySlTagSettings() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 845
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.OnPageReset() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 319
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 861
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (35000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnPageSelect() - "mgddgfsedsolmrqyulorz" Line 359
[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] Warning: Function PapyrusUtil.RemoveString(string[] param1,string param2) received NONE to non-object argument! Received types (none,string) instead!
stack:
	[SexLabQuestAnimations (180639DF)].sslAnimationSlots.GetAllTags() - "wjlgawrplgmwkncthciha" Line 394
	[SexLabQuestFramework (18000D62)].sexlabframework.GetAllAnimationTags() - "vqdzpfmeubtduuqpkdr" Line 1242
	<unknown self>.bind_sexlabhelper.GetAllAnimationTags() - "bind_SexLabHelper.psc" Line 94
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.DisplaySlTagSettings() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 845
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.OnPageReset() - "bind_McmScript.psc" Line 319
	[bind_MainQuest (8E0012C4)].bind_McmScript.SetPage() - "SKI_ConfigBase.psc" Line 861
	[SKI_ConfigManagerInstance (35000802)].SKI_ConfigManager.OnPageSelect() - "mgddgfsedsolmrqyulorz" Line 359
[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 0
[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] [binding]: bind_sl_tag_toggles
[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] [binding]: list count: 0

 

Edited April 29, 2025 by Scautura

[Talesien]

To muddy the waters further. I can open and use both of those tabs. They open instantly and work fine.
Makes me wonder @Scautura you do have Papyrus Tweaks installed and "Speed up native calls" enabled (it comes disabled by default)?

[Scautura]

1 hour ago, Talesien said:

To muddy the waters further. I can open and use both of those tabs. They open instantly and work fine.
Makes me wonder @Scautura you do have Papyrus Tweaks installed and "Speed up native calls" enabled (it comes disabled by default)?

Yeah, that was my comment of, "wondering if Papyrus Tweaks NG may have an effect," because I do have that turned on.

 

Edit: a quick test with turning that function off makes no difference. It still takes minutes to open the "Tags" tab.

Edited April 29, 2025 by Scautura
Quick test

[Talesien]

55 minutes ago, Scautura said:

Yeah, that was my comment of, "wondering if Papyrus Tweaks NG may have an effect," because I do have that turned on.

 

Edit: a quick test with turning that function off makes no difference. It still takes minutes to open the "Tags" tab.

Quite odd, I wonder what is different in our LO's that makes Bindings MCM put on the brakes for you.
You are using P+, perhaps? Or SLU+?
What arousal mod? (I'm using OSL.)

[Lazy Palm]

5 hours ago, Scautura said:

Yeah, that was my comment of, "wondering if Papyrus Tweaks NG may have an effect," because I do have that turned on.

 

Edit: a quick test with turning that function off makes no difference. It still takes minutes to open the "Tags" tab.

 

Does you see this in your pap log by chance? "sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count:"

 

 

[Lazy Palm]

0.3.16 preview

 

Fixed:

• Issues in bondage lists with wrapping and wrong items being selected
• Fixed dom will not move to player when kneeling issue created in 0.3.15
• No longer need crosshair furniture or beds to start Put On Display or Bound Sleep (just need to be near)
• Fixed issue with conversation pose always starting dom driven conversation
• Fixed word wall not disappearing from dialogue options issue

 

Binding 0.3.16 preview.7z

Edited April 30, 2025 by Lazy Palm

[Scautura]

1 hour ago, Lazy Palm said:

 

Does you see this in your pap log by chance? "sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count:"

 

 

Yes, it's in the (spoilered) log I posted at the end of my last big post ("[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 0")

 

I'm betting on it being a P+ problem.

[Lazy Palm]

1 minute ago, Scautura said:

Yes, it's in the (spoilered) log I posted at the end of my last big post ("[04/29/2025 - 12:56:40PM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 0")

 

I'm betting on it being a P+ problem.

 

OK, that helps narrow it a lot.  I will test P+ and see if the same things happens. 

 

I just dropped in some code that will display text boxes to enter tags if that function returns zero.  I still need to add some block option fields.  Will try to get to that tomorrow.

[Scautura]

16 minutes ago, Lazy Palm said:

 

OK, that helps narrow it a lot.  I will test P+ and see if the same things happens. 

 

I just dropped in some code that will display text boxes to enter tags if that function returns zero.  I still need to add some block option fields.  Will try to get to that tomorrow.

 

Just for the record, I tried without P+. This was the result (loaded almost instantly): 

This is with no SL Anim Loader (not required with P+ and I wasn't faffing around; all I did was disable P+ as a quick test) so I'm not sure it picked up tags correctly. 0.3.16 (when using P+, it's the same blank screen after a 2 minute load).

 

[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 87
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: bind_sl_tag_toggles
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: list count: 0

 

Not a guarantee it's a P+ thing, but does point in that direction!

Edited April 30, 2025 by Scautura
Added log snippet

[Talesien]

5 hours ago, Lazy Palm said:

OK, that helps narrow it a lot.  I will test P+ and see if the same things happens. 

P+ is using its own Tag system (another not so well thought out idea, in theory it could help bring order to the chaos ... in practice it would need someone to consistently tag all animations, currently it seems to do some automatic conversions and discard the rest). At any rate with P+ installed the SL tags Binding is looking for are not there, small wonder it does not work.

Edited April 30, 2025 by Talesien

[Lazy Palm]

2 hours ago, Talesien said:

P+ is using its own Tag system (another not so well thought out idea, in theory it could help bring order to the chaos ... in practice it would need someone to consistently tag all animations, currently it seems to do some automatic conversions and discard the rest). At any rate with P+ installed the SL tags Binding is looking for are not there, small wonder it does not work.

 

7 hours ago, Scautura said:

 

Just for the record, I tried without P+. This was the result (loaded almost instantly): 

This is with no SL Anim Loader (not required with P+ and I wasn't faffing around; all I did was disable P+ as a quick test) so I'm not sure it picked up tags correctly. 0.3.16 (when using P+, it's the same blank screen after a 2 minute load).

 

[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 87
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: bind_sl_tag_toggles
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: list count: 0

 

Not a guarantee it's a P+ thing, but does point in that direction!

 

Hmm, this is strange.  It was only supposed to display that array of inputs if that GetAllAnimationTags returned 0 items.  I seem to have created another bug.  Let me look at that.

 

Guess if you disable P+ and SL is returning 87, it narrows it down to that function being problematic.

[Lazy Palm]

2 hours ago, Talesien said:

P+ is using its own Tag system (another not so well thought out idea, in theory it could help bring order to the chaos ... in practice it would need someone to consistently tag all animations, currently it seems to do some automatic conversions and discard the rest). At any rate with P+ installed the SL tags Binding is looking for are not there, small wonder it does not work.

 

Yeah, I can see the reasoning, lots of variations of similar tags in my SL tags list.  Would be nice if that function would return that P+ native list though.

[Lazy Palm]

11 hours ago, Scautura said:

 

Just for the record, I tried without P+. This was the result (loaded almost instantly): 

This is with no SL Anim Loader (not required with P+ and I wasn't faffing around; all I did was disable P+ as a quick test) so I'm not sure it picked up tags correctly. 0.3.16 (when using P+, it's the same blank screen after a 2 minute load).

 

[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: sexlab GetAllAnimationTags count: 87
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: bind_sl_tag_toggles
[04/30/2025 - 05:42:11AM] [binding]: list count: 0

 

Not a guarantee it's a P+ thing, but does point in that direction!

 

So I added P+.  Mine is doing exactly the same thing.  The GetAllAnimationTags takes like 30+s to return that empty array.

 

I am going to see about doing a soft check for P+ and avoid making that call if it is installed and then display the use/block text boxes.

 

Edit: Also, another interesting thing.  Once you have had P+ installed, even if you disable it that call will not work in sex lab.  In fact, it seems to hang forever and not even return an empty array.

 

Another edit: on a new game it will run, but still comes back with an empty array.  Going to try re-installing sex lab and see if that does anything.

Edited April 30, 2025 by Lazy Palm

[Lenore]

What actually is word wall?

[Talesien]

5 hours ago, Lazy Palm said:

 

Yeah, I can see the reasoning, lots of variations of similar tags in my SL tags list.  Would be nice if that function would return that P+ native list though.

Aye, and honestly it should. Or rather, you should make a bug report to the P+ Git and meanwhile just display a message that due to a bug in P+ this function is not available with P+ installed. No use to bend on backwards to accommodate P+ and have Scrab potentially break with the next stage of P+.
(And no I'm not against P+, on the contrary, I really like the concept and want to see it get completed. That stated, I can not agree with the way Scrab handles SLP's development. Yes, I know she has a lot on her plate. That's at least partially self-inflicted though, and something like P+ needs constant attention and bug fixing IMHO, until it's in a good place at least. One big patch every 3 months that breaks more than it fixes does not cut it.)

[Talesien]

18 minutes ago, Lenore said:

What actually is word wall?

Word Walls are those Dragon runes inscribed walls you can learn new shouts from. Bindings has a little scene around "absorbing" that word of power from Word Walls.