When is CBBE coming? Tools are out.

[DocClox]

12 hours ago, brown66 said:

Bethesda has in recent years avoided sexualizing female bodies too much, to make the games more acceptable in the eyes of many parents who let their younger children play these games

 

Yeah. Makes me yearn for the days of Fallout 3 where the raider girls had supermodel faces and wore collanders as bras.

 

And even then, if you stripped their equipment they suddenly sprouted pristine, fresh-from-the-packaging, grey sports bras and panties. That was always a bit of a surreal touch, that was.

[Vallsz]

It's not just about shape. It's about fidelity and looking as close to a real body texture as possible. These bodies are simply more defined from their skin texture to the underside of their hands. Even with the males people didn't have to do much or any work on the hands at all because they were already stellar. Those blocky hands and nails in Skyrim weren't it. And in Fallout 4 the original bodies looked too plastic. 

[azmodan22]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:45 PM, brown66 said:

Female bodies in Skyrim and Fallout 4 already looked more like meshes of genuinely crafted female bodies than adaptations of a male body with slight breast inflation.

 

The main issue, Imao!, is that Bethesda has in recent years avoided sexualizing female bodies too much, to make the games more acceptable in the eyes of many parents who let their younger children play these games. And also avoiding possible and foreseeable future controversies that games promote women's bodies that are not realistic or representative of the majority of women. And if a publisher wants its game to be played (and therefore sold) for many years, it is necessary to avoid making possibly controversial choices during its conception. Especially when there is a community of modders who will take care of doing this.

Personally, I was never a big fan of the CBBE female body in Skyrim. I preferred CHSBHC, which is also not perfect.

 

But what bothers me most about Skyrim and Fallout 4 is a limitation that I see again in Starfield - you can't use different models of female bodies simultaneously, with the game engine choosing their distribution randomly among the several hundred or so thousands of female NPCs existing in the game, without prejudice to the player being able to manually choose this distribution in certain female NPCs.

 

The day this becomes possible in a Bethesda RPG, other game publishers may close their doors.

 

No, that's not it.

Starfield is an 18+ game. It might as well had sex scenes in it.  If a parent i leting his/hers kids play a 18+ game, they doing knowing that this is a Mature audience game. It's on the label  .

 

Female bodies in Starfield look like shit either because they don't actually have the skill to make them look good (wich I don't think is the case), or they simply played it as safe as they could. Maybe because of Microsoft.

 

If Starfield's female characters looked like Stelar Blade and were naked in Paradiso, this game would have sold twice the copies.

 

When it comes to the female body, it does not necessarily have to be CBBE, just one that looks good and we can choose whether we want them to be that voluptrus or not.  

Cus right now the choices are either vanila or full voluptrous and nothif in between. And the existing bodies don't replace Npcs, they are just for players (as far as I know).

 

[Mr. Otaku]

On 7/4/2024 at 12:57 AM, brown66 said:

 

This happened on my little YouTube channel, but I suspect it has happened elsewhere.

 

 

I have been following Sarfield haters and, apart from the common characteristic of not having played the game, they are generally the same and are in groups running all over the internet where Starfield is talked about, just so they can post their hateful comments.

 

Making hateful comments has become a new way of life for some younger people. I wonder what kind of people they will be when they are fully developed adults...

 

It's not just a younger people thing trust me, there are some 50+ year olds on this very site that act the same way, not just for Starfield but generally. There's a fine line between criticizing something for having obvious flaws/shortcomings (i've typed out plenty of criticism for Starfield myself) and literally lying and making up the stupidest arguments just to have something to complain about. But it's a good litmus test to see who's full of shit, when someone's arguing that Starfield looks like a PS3 game they're either actually stupid or pretending to be stupid and i can't tell which one's worse lmao.

[Reigor]

20 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

When it comes to the female body, it does not necessarily have to be CBBE, just one that looks good and we can choose whether we want them to be that voluptrus or not.  

Cus right now the choices are either vanila or full voluptrous and nothif in between. And the existing bodies don't replace Npcs, they are just for players (as far as I know).

 

This. For me the narrative/setting is important. So 300 years in the future, the medical tech is there for people to look like whatever the heck they want. Not just human, anything. So if someone wanted to cosplay a Twilek dancer from those classic Star Wars vids from Old Earth, the equivalent of Shakespeare, instead of making a costume of prosthetics and body paint, goes down to Enhance, puts down the cost of 2-3 patty melts, and wala they come out as a sexy green skinned girl with two tails on her head instead of hair.

 

Cuz why not? Full body modification can be a fashion statement just as much as clothing, hair coloring, tattoos, piercings, whatever are today. 

 

[brown66]

On 7/8/2024 at 2:47 PM, azmodan22 said:

 

No, that's not it.

Starfield is an 18+ game. It might as well had sex scenes in it.  If a parent i leting his/hers kids play a 18+ game, they doing knowing that this is a Mature audience game. It's on the label  .

 

Female bodies in Starfield look like shit either because they don't actually have the skill to make them look good (wich I don't think is the case), or they simply played it as safe as they could. Maybe because of Microsoft.

 

If Starfield's female characters looked like Stelar Blade and were naked in Paradiso, this game would have sold twice the copies.

 

When it comes to the female body, it does not necessarily have to be CBBE, just one that looks good and we can choose whether we want them to be that voluptrus or not.  

Cus right now the choices are either vanila or full voluptrous and nothif in between. And the existing bodies don't replace Npcs, they are just for players (as far as I know).

 

 

 

Existing replacement female body mods (at least the VBB and CRT) work on female NPCs.

 

Here is an example of Betty Howser, my current follower (she doesn't mind you doing mischief, unlike Sarah and Andreja), with a vanilla body (yes, she could have a little more hips and less shoulders), VBB body and CRT body. There may be more female bodies now, but I'm not up to date with the latest developments.

 

 

 

 

 

As for parents and the 18+ seal on games, believe me, most parents ignore this seal when their children reach adolescence and they know that in a game there are at least no sex scenes.

 

It's very difficult to say no to your children when they later watch scenes from the game that is supposedly for over 18s on YouTube, even if it's on their friends' cell phones at school. And if your children have any age difference, when the oldest one is playing this game for over 18s, guess who will also be watching the game behind his back, even if it's hidden behind the door to the older brother's room?

 

Bethesda knows this and has followed this policy of avoiding nude and sex scenes in its RPGs, leaving this work to modders. And, yes, this policy of avoiding nudes and more or less explicit sex scenes is also Microsoft's policy. And from a business point of view, I don't criticize them.

 

As for there being Starfield haters over 40 to 50 years old, from what I've noticed among the haters, there aren't many of them that age. Most of them hate Starfield because they got stuck in the happy memories of some old Bethesda RPG and couldn't accept that subsequent RPGs weren't the same as their beloved game and/or they still have the old computer with which they played that old RPG and are damned that that same computer now cannot run Starfield.

 

But on one thing I agree with you. The vast majority of haters lie about Sarfield, for the simple fact that the vast majority didn't play the game.

[Djlegends]

On 7/4/2024 at 3:11 AM, PegasusKoga said:

I ain't talking about the faces (who all start to look the same after you played for a few hundred hours).  The vanilla female body shape is much too androgynous for me.

 

But "les gouts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas" as they say in French.

the androgynous was probably due to people believe that woman and man are the same and have no difference and having a feminine body type is now sexist now for some reason

[Djlegends]

or generally the pure hate Stellar Blade has gotten since its announcement?

[Allnarta]

I really don't get "female body is not feminine" point, to be honest. I am female (actual one) and I can say that body is feminine. It has wide hips, they use separate skeleton with thinner shoulders and a bit wider hips, it's all there. It just uses modest underwear, thats all (yes, if you didn't know, breasts area being "plain" is not because there is no boobs. It is because they are covered by underwear). In all previous games it was a lot less realistic from sex dimorphism, i.e. biological point of wiev.

[DocClox]

I think the problem is more that almost every woman in the game dresses like a sack of potatoes. I wasn't expecting nudity or sex, but does everyone need to cover up like they're off to take tea with her late majesty, Queen Victoria?

[Allnarta]

2 minutes ago, DocClox said:

I think the problem is more that almost every woman in the game dresses like a sack of potatoes. I wasn't expecting nudity or sex, but does everyone need to cover up like they're off to take tea with her late majesty, Queen Victoria?

 

Yeah, saggy clothes for both men and women is another thing.

[azmodan22]

4 hours ago, Allnarta said:

I really don't get "female body is not feminine" point, to be honest. I am female (actual one) and I can say that body is feminine. It has wide hips, they use separate skeleton with thinner shoulders and a bit wider hips, it's all there. It just uses modest underwear, thats all (yes, if you didn't know, breasts area being "plain" is not because there is no boobs. It is because they are covered by underwear). In all previous games it was a lot less realistic from sex dimorphism, i.e. biological point of wiev.

 

Are you talking about the default body or the custom ones?

I don't think the default one is not at all feminine, it is more like the body of an athlete. The first time I saw the female body in CharGen in Starfield I was like "Ok, what sport is she competing in the Olympics"?

Female? yes. Model like female? No.

 

The reason I believe they did that is as I said to play it safe. They could have made a female body like they did in Elder Scrolls Online. technicaly not Bethesda but it was launched under Bethesdas name.

But that was 10 years ago.

Today things are a bit different. And I think it was indeed a corporate decission (by both Microsoft and Bethesda) like:

 

"We know we are going to get enough hate from haters for no fucking real reason, so let's try Not to gine any excuses to all those woke/anti women sexualisation/ Fat positive hypocrites to go baliistic. Have a different sceleton for the female body, play it safe with the meshes, moders will do their thing, and no one is blaming us."

Win Win.

 

 

[Allnarta]

Interesting how you posing your point is one and only correct, when someone who knows how female body looks on a daily basis, tells you that game body is, in fact, biologically and anatomically correct.

[azmodan22]

I don't think anyone ever questioned that. The issue with it is not that it's not biologically and anatomically correct. The issue with it is that it is not the sexy hot body like UNPB or CBBE were.

[Djlegends]

5 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

 

Are you talking about the default body or the custom ones?

I don't think the default one is not at all feminine, it is more like the body of an athlete. The first time I saw the female body in CharGen in Starfield I was like "Ok, what sport is she competing in the Olympics"?

Female? yes. Model like female? No.

 

The reason I believe they did that is as I said to play it safe. They could have made a female body like they did in Elder Scrolls Online. technicaly not Bethesda but it was launched under Bethesdas name.

But that was 10 years ago.

Today things are a bit different. And I think it was indeed a corporate decission (by both Microsoft and Bethesda) like:

 

"We know we are going to get enough hate from haters for no fucking real reason, so let's try Not to gine any excuses to all those woke/anti women sexualisation/ Fat positive hypocrites to go baliistic. Have a different sceleton for the female body, play it safe with the meshes, moders will do their thing, and no one is blaming us."

Win Win.

 

 

why video games had to go mainstream for corporation to ruin

[SeranaUser]

6 hours ago, azmodan22 said:

I don't think anyone ever questioned that. The issue with it is not that it's not biologically and anatomically correct. The issue with it is that it is not the sexy hot body like UNPB or CBBE were.

 

I think of it in terms of a range:

1. Unrealistically feminine body

2. "Naturally gifted" feminine body

3. Average natural feminine body

4. Feminine body bordering on androgynous

5. Androgynous

6. Masculine bordering on androgynous

7. Average natural masculine

8. "Naturally gifted" masculine

9. Unrealistically masculine body

 

I'm not suggesting the world be filled with 1's and 9's only. Even though Enhance makes it technologically possible, it would seem silly IMO if every woman was running around with JJ-cup breasts or whatever.

But so many women are 4's with just a very few 3's. Even without Enhance, there should be a few 2's. And with Enhance (or perhaps more loosely-regulated competitors in non-UC space, at least) there should be some fairly eccentric-looking people.

[sexybizzt]

Any updates on a body mod for Starfield yet? CBBE?

[ritalmao]

There is neither supply nor demand for modding this game. It's dead. Move on people!

[aslab]

8 hours ago, ritalmao said:

There is neither supply nor demand for modding this game. It's dead. Move on people!

We may have to wait until after the November elections. Don’t ask what political elections have to do with this game. But depending how the elections go, Starfield may or may not pick up after that. The catalyst may be shattered space or it could just be a slow trickle of better content ultimately leading to a point where people say “This game is Great”.

 

There are internal things that could completely kill this game though. with the big elephant, Bethesda’s creation store itself.  Let’s face it, it is fun creating and building off of each other’s work. The second people try to grab what’s good and put paywalls behind it, the fun disappears, community advancements no longer happen, and a toxic environment gets created. Furthermore, nobody wants to spend thousands of dollars on a game, and that’s what it would cost each player to get Skyrim the way people play Skyrim now. Although I’m sure Bethesda’s dream is to create a market place, sit back and reap a cut of each digital transaction. People will drop the game before emptying their pockets, Modding will no longer be fun, modding would be work. And the only mods that can semi succeed without a community behind them, are quest mods. Quest mods may anyways be the core of modding starfield in the future, as the creation kit seems to be built on creating lands and quests.

 

So, in conclusion this game still has the potential to be Bethesda’s top game, or as you all see now, that it can also remain in the dumps. Ending all future games from Bethesda, as well.

[Mark263]

Honestly, I'm surprised no one has done Jane Bod in a year (muscular women) no one has done Bodyslide Outfit Studio, Creation Kit is not needed for these mods, and yet no one has done anything in a year, I'm so disappointed in the modding of this game, I'm not talking about quest mods or new maps, I'm talking about software and body mods

By the way, does anyone know if Tigersan will be making muscular women for Starfield? Because he made a muscular women mod for Baldur's Gates 3
Sorry for my english

Edited July 12, 2024 by Mark263

[Djlegends]

6 minutes ago, Mark263 said:

Honestly, I'm surprised no one has done Jane Bod in a year (muscular women) no one has done Bodyslide Outfit Studio, Creation Kit is not needed for these mods, and yet no one has done anything in a year, I'm so disappointed in the modding of this game, I'm not talking about quest mods or new maps, I'm talking about software and body mods

By the way, does anyone know if Tigersan will be making muscular women for Starfield? Because he made a muscular women mod for Baldur's Gates 3
Sorry for my english

we are literally getting Touch by Bella for Starfield for fucks sakes which was leagues better than CBBE

Edited July 12, 2024 by Djlegends

[Djlegends]

and if people bother looking people  already made alternatives of Outfit Studio...

[Mark263]

5 minutes ago, Djlegends said:

we are literally getting Touch by Bella for Starfield for fucks sakes which was leagues better than CBBE

This is great, but there are hardly so many sliders for adjusting the body, or adjusting every muscle in the body, this is not Jane Bod)
But it’s good that at least someone is happy and got what they wanted

[Djlegends]

1 hour ago, Mark263 said:

This is great, but there are hardly so many sliders for adjusting the body, or adjusting every muscle in the body, this is not Jane Bod)
But it’s good that at least someone is happy and got what they wanted

we can easily add new sliders if thats what you saying

[Mark263]

11 hours ago, Djlegends said:

we can easily add new sliders if thats what you saying

Are you sure it is possible to create such a body?
This is my body in Fallout 4