...0... Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 Im close No car owned no house owned No creditcard No phone No tv no facebook no google no twitter No social media at all no wife no children no family no financial transactions through internet. No house doctor no dentists no medical record of me anywhere on this planet. No cashshop/DLC ive ever done or any of that crap. Nobody thats what i am a nobody Im almost a ghost that don't excist:P Dont care about money or materials never have and never will. Funny thing is ive never been poor eather rather rich youth compare to many here on planet, with little money i earn now i still manage to let it grow doing nothing lol So im close back to old times back to nature. Im still bloody hooked to games and pc's those damn games and internet:D Life is short so dont matter realy. Universe is 13.7 billion years old so whats a human lifespan NOTHING. In few decades nobody even knows ive ever excisted, long gone rotten underground eaten by maggots.
Lodakai Posted November 8, 2013 Author Posted November 8, 2013 The Corporation - a documentary about it. One of the biggest mistakes they have made is to give the corps. the rights of a legal person. You should really watch this. Oh my god.. the irony! "This video containes content from WMG and CD Baby, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds" I am laughing hysterically.
Angrybird Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 The day I stop using the internet and start reading more and exercising more, I don't know why they'd want for people to be more cultured and do more fit.
Captain Cobra Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 Im close No car owned no house owned No creditcard No phone No tv no facebook no google no twitter No social media at all no wife no children no family no financial transactions through internet. No house doctor no dentists no medical record of me anywhere on this planet. No cashshop/DLC ive ever done or any of that crap. Nobody thats what i am a nobody Im almost a ghost that don't excist:P Dont care about money or materials never have and never will. Funny thing is ive never been poor eather rather rich youth compare to many here on planet, with little money i earn now i still manage to let it grow doing nothing lol So im close back to old times back to nature. Im still bloody hooked to games and pc's those damn games and internet:D Life is short so dont matter realy. Universe is 13.7 billion years old so whats a human lifespan NOTHING. In few decades nobody even knows ive ever excisted, long gone rotten underground eaten by maggots. So you're a NEET who still lives with your parents?
HeavyDude Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 The Corporation - a documentary about it. One of the biggest mistakes they have made is to give the corps. the rights of a legal person. You should really watch this. Oh my god.. the irony! "This video containes content from WMG and CD Baby, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds" I am laughing hysterically. Hah, well i got more links (YouTube, uStream, InternetArchive). the movie clocks at almost 2:30 h so its a bit of a long watch. But it's worth it, you might learn something, and to me it was interesting.
quadruplehelix Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 You suffer from the delusion that the innocent are protected if we give up our freedom for control by the power of a government. Uhm, exactly how do these things relate to eachother like opposites? Government control and freedom go hand in hand, as does justicial protection of everyone.
Lodakai Posted November 8, 2013 Author Posted November 8, 2013 You suffer from the delusion that the innocent are protected if we give up our freedom for control by the power of a government. Uhm, exactly how do these things relate to eachother like opposites? Government control and freedom go hand in hand, as does justicial protection of everyone. On paper.. yes. In practice.. no. Trusting a few to be responsible without oversight inevitably leads to rampant corruption. While it is true that you cannot have a functional society without governance, it does not mean you should let down your guard and blindly trust that someone else is looking out for your best interest. “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.” Albert Einstein
DoctaSax Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 This thread is starting to reek of politics to me - you know what can happen then. It started out being about a price hike by ISPs, and I don't any reason to involve government or spying on people. Those elements will lead to thread closure.
Lodakai Posted November 8, 2013 Author Posted November 8, 2013 True.. back on topic. This blog portrays the dangers if we allow net neutrality to be compromised. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/eight-ways-the-internet-will-suffer-if-net-neutrality-is-killed Although nobody can see into the future, it is definitely something to think about. EDIT: I struggled about my decision to add this topic under off topic or general discussions. In the end, I felt that something like this would impact Loverslab directly. This is something that could inevitably lead to the shut down of websites similar to this. If it is more appropriate in the off topic section, I have no objection to the relocation of this thread.
quadruplehelix Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 On paper.. yes. In practice.. no. Trusting a few to be responsible without oversight inevitably leads to rampant corruption. I also don't see how a lack of oversight and increase of government control inevitably come together. The ranking of least corrupt countries in the world would suggest the opposite is true, and a stronger government means less corruption.
quadruplehelix Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 Let's stay on topic please. I think it's fairly ontopic: Countries with a strong government are regulating in favour of net neutrality, and countries with a (purposely) weak government seem to be in favour of controlling the internet either for censorship or copyright mafia interests. Good example being the Netherlands, which has a very pro-active government that's very well informed about people and goings-on, but has legislated net neutrality into law, and where the intelligence service doesn't even have policing powers, let alone anything more invasive than that. As a result of this strong government regulation, I'm protected against such schemes like AT&T are planning. To name an example of how well this works: This summer a hostile takeover of large telecom provider KPN by Mexican telecom mogul Carlos Slim was prevented, because his ruthless business methods (high prices, crap service, selling your personal info for advertising) would hurt the consumer and the general public. Fat chance of that happening in a weak state without regulations to prevent such a hostile takeover.... So the answer to safeguard net neutrality is more regulations and stronger government powers, more safeguards. The surest way to have questionable ISPs, espionage agencies, hackers and more have their way with you, is to do away with government regulations which could prevent that.
Lodakai Posted November 8, 2013 Author Posted November 8, 2013 So the answer to safeguard net neutrality is more regulations and stronger government powers, more safeguards. The surest way to have questionable ISPs, espionage agencies, hackers and more have their way with you, is to do away with government regulations which could prevent that. Maybe so in the netherlands... but we are talking specifically about the possible revocation of net neutrality in the USA. This is not a theoretical argument. This is actually happening. This last comment you made is exactly what is happening here. They are doing away with the government regulations. EDIT: the moderators have specifically asked to keep politics out of the equation. so let us do so.
nonusnomeni Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 EDIT: the moderators have specifically asked to keep politics out of the equation. so let us do so. making the law is political decision politicians approve or disapprove the law "you can shovel you head into sand but you will still get a dick into your arse"
Lodakai Posted November 9, 2013 Author Posted November 9, 2013 True, but I am trying to keep the thread on topic according to guidelines set forth on us. Perhaps we can start a separate thread on the political aspect of the law. For the purpose of this thread. We should stay focused on the upcoming judgement. The main intent was to raise awareness about the issue regardless of where you stand in your opinion. You can agree or disagree with Verizon's intent to change the internet into an extension of their cable service. All that I am asking is for everyone to be aware of it. On that note.. keep an eye out for the final verdict and keep yourself aware of what will follow. For those who want options.. now is a good time to seek them out. If you want to embrace the upcoming changes, now is a good time to start making a list to send your provider on what services you want available when they make their decisions. Hopefully LoversLab will be part of your service package.
HeavyDude Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Does the ruling in USA have any consequences in the rest of the world? I'm interested since I'm European, so if it does - what influence do we have to prevent this from happening; if it doesn't - well... And if it has SOME consequences but may not directly affect us, more like a backlash across the globe, what can the rest of us really do? But in a sense, all of us should stop this, just to make sure that all of the world knows that the abolition of net neutrality is not even an option, and should be a taboo topic.
Lodakai Posted November 9, 2013 Author Posted November 9, 2013 Probably.. it would effect any site located in the US and how fast your connection to it is. It might also limit your access to them if their provider is located in the USA. Any site using a connection and servers outside of the USA would probably remain unchanged.
HeavyDude Posted November 9, 2013 Posted November 9, 2013 Probably.. it would effect any site located in the US and how fast your connection to it is. It might also limit your access to them if their provider is located in the USA. Any site using a connection and servers outside of the USA would probably remain unchanged. Wouldn't it then be prudent of the US and its citizens to preserve net neutrality, since a lot of web sites would search for servers outside of the US to host their content if it were abolished. And most of the up and coming websites would spring outside US, and with that most of the innovation would be going on there too (new services and content).
AKM Posted November 10, 2013 Posted November 10, 2013 ^^^ Nope. Not at all. Why? For the same reason we've been shipping all our jobs overseas and then crying about having no jobs... but we, some of the richest (monetary wise) people on the planet, get our cheap shit (and we like it, too)! Sorry. Back to seriousness. Fact: The average person is rather stupid. Half of the population is stupider than the average. On top of that, most people are too busy working to take a significant part in making sure things are run correctly, therefore, those in power run things however they please, which is to say, however benefits them and their cronies most, the rest of the population be damned. It would be another example of people letting something become law, realizing it's a mistake, and then trying to get the law repealed. News flash #1: It's a hell of a lot easier to make a law and get it on the books than it is to get it back off the books. News flash #2: Lawmakers usually don't live by the same laws that the people they make the laws for do. Read about some of their incomes and medical/retirement benefits sometime. It's sickening. News flash #3: Lawmakers don't read an entire proposed law before signing it into law. (Usually they rely on underpaid, and uninterested interns to tell them what's in the proposed law.) This is (in part) where "pork-barrel spending" comes from. Basically, various people tack on whatever it is they wish to have signed into law onto a totally unrelated proposed law, knowing it will get completely overlooked and signed into law. OR, that the proposed law is some big headline issue (like, "Don't eat live babies") that no one in their right mind would not vote for, so they're almost guaranteed that it'll be passed into law. Another classic from the "Lawmakers Book of Dirty Tricks" is to name it something that no one in their right mind could vote against, regardless of what's actually in the proposed law. There's a ridiculously famous one from recent history that I can't mention, but just think of the political climate in the country at the time that that law was passed, and you'll get my drift. This works because of short attention spans. People have been programed for "sound bites' etc, and all they hear is the title. By the time it comes to the explaining of what's involved, they've zoned out.
Lodakai Posted November 10, 2013 Author Posted November 10, 2013 @Heavydude (and other Europeans) There is an update to the question about whether or not this is happening in Europe as well. Apparently services are ALREADY being throttled in European markets. http://www.neurope.eu/article/digital-future-needs-real-net-neutrality Interested parties from the European region should look into this proposal that MAY protect them. Edit: See Warning http://gigaom.com/2013/06/04/heres-what-europes-net-neutrality-law-would-look-like/ This looks like a proposal to protect consumer rights and solidify net neutrality in the European Union. Neelie Kroes is the backer of these policies and it seems like she wants to improve the cellphone roaming charges as well. One to keep an eye on and possibly back. Edit: See Warning EDIT: Warning.. quoted comment about the policy. And this is specifically important. It’s far from clear that the European Commission’s new proposals would stop such behavior. Similarly, there is nothing in there to stop a different kind of net neutrality abuse: ISPs charging content providers for carrying their traffic. In fact, the acceptance of the idea of a two-speed internet – for this is what Kroes is in effect describing – makes this sort of development more likely. Kroes proposal outlines the incorporation of a 2 speed internet system. This is specifically contrary to net neutrality. You should keep that in mind when you look at the proposal. This is also exactly one of the problems we are facing in the USA if our protections are thrown out in the upcoming judgement. Check the comparison to the US section of the article to locate the differences in our current protections in the USA (under legal review at the moment) compared to what Kroes outlines. EDIT2: Seems so fishy to me that the USA and Europe are arriving on this revamp of the system within roughly the same time frame. It could just be coincidence. But wow.
Misplaced Reality Posted November 15, 2013 Posted November 15, 2013 I am very preoccupied for the internet, but in the same time most people that I know, and have seen, are eager to give up their privacy for anything. Therefore, what will matter in the end is the vocal majority that doesn't care about the internet besides their own "set bounds" of reality within the internet that they want to see and be within. Whatever may be decided (or has been decided) my view that the internet has to offer a safe haven of freedom of information, sharing and opinions will stay with me until the end of my days.
...0... Posted November 15, 2013 Posted November 15, 2013 Does the ruling in USA have any consequences in the rest of the world? I'm interested since I'm European, so if it does - what influence do we have to prevent this from happening; if it doesn't - well... And if it has SOME consequences but may not directly affect us, more like a backlash across the globe, what can the rest of us really do? But in a sense, all of us should stop this, just to make sure that all of the world knows that the abolition of net neutrality is not even an option, and should be a taboo topic. Only country in europe at moment with pure netneutrality written in the law is netherlands. In brussels they now try force all countrys to give up that neutrality but netherlands have refused they want equal for all small or big its the law everybody have to uphold this law.
HeavyDude Posted November 15, 2013 Posted November 15, 2013 As to why they are still pushing this agenda to abolish net neutrality, this one sums it pretty much up: "The problem is, net neutrality is a relatively abstract concept that will never excite most people until it’s gone." If people knew what they are loosing if this passes, they would surely be more vocal about it, and there would be more people defending net neutrality.
Rayblue Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 They keep up trying to push this shit, and what happens? They become the monsters themselves that they once avowed to destroy.
LordJerle Posted November 18, 2013 Posted November 18, 2013 Wonder how long it'll be before big money sites can pay ISP's off for priority access rights.
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