Lodakai Posted November 18, 2013 Author Posted November 18, 2013 Sorry about that.. I posted some incorrect information. The judgement has not been made yet. It is expected by the end of the year.. maybe early 2014 http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/fcc-heads-court-defend-net-neutrality-rules-152239 According to this article. This one is also relevant. http://www.adweek.com/news/television/fccs-net-neutrality-rules-may-not-survive-court-152321
Guest carywinton Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 This thread is starting to reek of politics to me - you know what can happen then. It started out being about a price hike by ISPs, and I don't any reason to involve government or spying on people. Those elements will lead to thread closure. Yes agreed, getting too political, needs to end now folks.
...0... Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 As to why they are still pushing this agenda to abolish net neutrality, this one sums it pretty much up: "The problem is, net neutrality is a relatively abstract concept that will never excite most people until it’s gone." If people knew what they are loosing if this passes, they would surely be more vocal about it, and there would be more people defending net neutrality. Ignorance. How many of you realy prefend from being exposed on the internet and protect there privacy? And be honest don't lie to me Netneutrality means jackshit if you just open the gates so your whole life floating on the internet, neutrality or not lol. Its starts with you don't wait for the goverment or companys to do it for you hehe. Net neutrality is just tool that helps for some freedom and protections(which is also a myth). Oh and remember all you hear or read on internet is also far from the truth, seems some so easly forget and believe every article they read.
...0... Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 So just close the thread? This smells conspiracy maybe NSA infiltrated and manage to manipulate you all and now we say close the thread
Misplaced Reality Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 A return to simpler times maybe, but it would bring the giants to their knees. No, you don't need to return to simpler times. All you need is some old fashioned education. If people simply give up their rights, regardless of the technology available, if people surrender and let the biggest one rule over, if people simply walk away from issues then regardless on whether you have a computer, heat, or even electricity anyone who is slightly more intelligent will use that. Giants always exist, regardless of the times, that means, even if you did the insane thing of giving up all the technology you have available and live off in the woods then you will face the fact that some point, someone or something will be a giant itself and still will preside over the many. We are bound to this as a whole, there's always, a giant.
Captain Cobra Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 This smells conspiracy maybe NSA infiltrated and manage to manipulate you all and now we say close the thread I was NSA all along? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.
Guest airdance Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 ........All you need is some old fashioned education. If people simply give up their rights,....... Maybe I'm too young to know better, and I know there will always be giants, but I would at least like to have the opportunity to choose. You would make the perfect slave. You will not fight for your freedom. Sort of a "let someone else defend it for me". Yet, I understand completely your attitude. Why fight when you have no clue what you would be fighting for. A life spent in servitude is better than no life at all, right? The other option is to become one of the giants, or at least be friends with them.
...0... Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 " The other option is to become one of the giants, or at least be friends with them " Sell yourself to devil(or become one) yeh that could be a option
Misplaced Reality Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 ........All you need is some old fashioned education. If people simply give up their rights,....... Maybe I'm too young to know better, and I know there will always be giants, but I would at least like to have the opportunity to choose. You would make the perfect slave. You will not fight for your freedom. Sort of a "let someone else defend it for me". Yet, I understand completely your attitude. Why fight when you have no clue what you would be fighting for. A life spent in servitude is better than no life at all, right? The other option is to become one of the giants, or at least be friends with them. First of all, you are older than me. Secondly, I think technology isn't relevant to how people are "enslaved" but rather, the truth is, that people accept the fact that they are enslaved, because the people are also part of the system. When you refer to a big corporation, a government, an organization, a NGO, a terrorist group, they are always people motivated by similar goals and objectives that form one of the bodies as a whole. You have to realize that "simpler life" isn't the solution for all of humanity, nor something everyone wants to accept. Pointing fingers and saying "It's the giant's fault" isn't quite the right thing to do. That's why I said, there's always a giant, there's always something that will make you feel enslaved, if it isn't a corporation, it will be society, your feelings, or even your government and so on. The only thing you can do is fight to change what "enslaves" you to fit more with your comfort, but at the end, retreating into a "simple life" is restricting and enslaving yourself away from technology and the comforts it provides. And it's not about "options" people inevitably become part or a giant, because that's how it works, that's how humans work, you are bound to it, too. " The other option is to become one of the giants, or at least be friends with them " Sell yourself to devil(or become one) yeh that could be a option The devil was an angel cast out from God's kingdom for going against his Will. In a sense, the Devil is exactly the feeling of doubt, thinking, invention, freedom and liberty of mind, expression and action. Where God's rule is the one that restricts humans within "Good" and "Evil" depending on their actions during a lifespan that is constantly cursed due to the first sin committed by humans. In all honesty, let's not bring names from fairy tales made to make free thinking and expression into something evil and twisted. Humans have feelings, from sorrow, to happiness, to loneliness, to ambition... Isn't it quite easy to point fingers and say "you are the devil!" because of someone's actions not being "good" when in reality "good" and "bad" don't exist, they are only labels slapped on subjects to make people believe that ethically or morality does indeed matter. There are things that are truly horrible, but slapping them with the label "bad" is an understatement.
Guest Posted November 26, 2013 Posted November 26, 2013 because it is the only thing the news and entertainment companies don't already control. government is in there pockets and the government threw us under the bus 40 years ago. they'll do whatever it takes to have complete control over what you see, hear, eat and wipe your ass with. nuff said. This a thousand times over. In the UK the current media vogue is 'dark internet' horror stories to terrify nice church mouse suburbanites into embracing even more invasive interference in their everyday lives. It's what those fuckers do - create shit storms like illegal wars as cover so they can carry on with the job of removing our rights from under us a brick at a time, not that most people even notice, too busy trying to negotiate the rat maze. Dang! I'll leave it there before I blow a gasket.
Angrybird Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 Thought about opening a new thread but it's relevant to this thread. http://www.businessinsider.com/cord-cutters-and-the-death-of-tv-2013-11 -Cable subscriptions down all around even sport events, even broadband is falling to a lesser extent, rising cable prices, media consumption shifting to mobile either with their own plan or the hundreds of free wifi spots. I wonder what will happen now that everyone's attention is shifting to their portable blue rectangles, we've already seen various attempts to seize control of the internet, this will only increase it further.
...0... Posted November 27, 2013 Posted November 27, 2013 because it is the only thing the news and entertainment companies don't already control. government is in there pockets and the government threw us under the bus 40 years ago. they'll do whatever it takes to have complete control over what you see, hear, eat and wipe your ass with. nuff said. This a thousand times over. In the UK the current media vogue is 'dark internet' horror stories to terrify nice church mouse suburbanites into embracing even more invasive interference in their everyday lives. It's what those fuckers do - create shit storms like illegal wars as cover so they can carry on with the job of removing our rights from under us a brick at a time, not that most people even notice, too busy trying to negotiate the rat maze. Dang! I'll leave it there before I blow a gasket. Cartman for president yeh! You mean there to busy trying to buy the newest smartphone or ultra tv with there loaned money
Rayblue Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I wonder which is the scariest place to live in, Pyongyang or DC? In places like Ars Technica and tech sites, it's been a regular occurrence to have NSA seen as the new KGB, but the most hated US government agency is still the IRS.
Misplaced Reality Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I wonder which is the scariest place to live in, Pyongyang or DC? Lets not exaggerate here.
AKM Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 For the first time, I've seen this issue posted someplace where the mainstream might see it. Not that they'd understand it completely, but the article does a decent job of giving some idea of what the ("potential") end of net nutrality might mean to the end user/consumer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/net-neutrality-gone_n_4611477.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl24|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D431644 Quote from above "Will the end of net neutrality see ISPs imitating cable companies? It seems likely, given that many ISPs already are cable companies." The link in the quote: http://www.dailytech.com/Report+DOJ+Opens+Probe+Into+Cable+Companies+Discrimination+of+Net+Video/article24917.htm The basic idea is that of "package deals" not unlike what cable companies "offer". It also, unfortunately, means that they can get much more cash by charging the big guys for "full service (high speed)" while pricing out the little guy; intentionally throwing bottlenecks (for lack of a better term) into their connections (or even the connection of someone, or an organization they simply don't like), ultimately making connecting to the little guys' sites either slower, or simply blocking them altogether. Not a pleasant picture.
ChancellorKremlin Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 For the first time, I've seen this issue posted someplace where the mainstream might see it. Not that they'd understand it completely, but the article does a decent job of giving some idea of what the ("potential") end of net nutrality might mean to the end user/consumer. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/net-neutrality-gone_n_4611477.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl24|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D431644 Quote from above "Will the end of net neutrality see ISPs imitating cable companies? It seems likely, given that many ISPs already are cable companies." The link in the quote: http://www.dailytech.com/Report+DOJ+Opens+Probe+Into+Cable+Companies+Discrimination+of+Net+Video/article24917.htm The basic idea is that of "package deals" not unlike what cable companies "offer". It also, unfortunately, means that they can get much more cash by charging the big guys for "full service (high speed)" while pricing out the little guy; intentionally throwing bottlenecks (for lack of a better term) into their connections (or even the connection of someone, or an organization they simply don't like), ultimately making connecting to the little guys' sites either slower, or simply blocking them altogether. Not a pleasant picture. Really quite sad. But until as a people we realise just because we can commercialise something and make a quick buck out of it, doesn't mean we should. Not that corporations will ever understand that.
...0... Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 The Money and power(EVIL) desides you can argue what you want but they get there way. And funny thing is most of you helping the monsters manipulate and controlling you Orwell already knew in 1948 hehe http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/net-neutrality-gone_n_4611477.html
...0... Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Guys a NEW ONE COOKED UP BY IDIOTS http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/04/att-patent-net-neutrality_n_4718553.html?utm_hp_ref=technology As long you keep feeding these companys with your money they get more grip on you and eventually rest of us. These are the new DICTATORS who will squeeze you untill your dead.
Guest carywinton Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 There is already a "plan" in place to take care of this, if in fact it comes to pass and if it does not then the "plan" has a much higher goal anyway. The concerns seen here have been duly noted, and I agree with most of you fine folks on them. The fiber trunks and twisted pair trunks are not the only way to get "messages" across, neither is satellite, there is a new player coming to town and I believe this new Sheriff will be the answer for a great many "Big Brother" see's all issues.
AKM Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 ...Not that corporations will ever understand that. Don't know if you were aware, but here in the U.S. one of the recent (presidential) administrations allowed for corporations to be legally treated as private citizens with regards to donations to political campaigns. The result? Big business can, of course, outspend any single individual, and now it's perfectly legal for them to do so. It just became legal for them to "out shout" the competition. If it's now legal for political campaigns, it won't be long for everything else. While I would like to believe your statement, and I do, on a fundamental level, it's going to take things getting a whole lot worse before things change. Case in point: I recently came across recordings, made by the British, of the conversations of captured German generals during WWII. More than one of them pointed out that, yes, the situation Germany found itself in was bad, and yes, it would get worse; but even the SS can't keep down the entire population should they become sufficiently tired of it. It's a matter of how important it is to you, and most people aren't willing to potentially give up their individual personal freedom, or even their lives over such an issue. When compared to what the German people didn't do to stop a much bigger problem, it's a beyond trivial issue. Although it certainly has the potential to become just as big. We are talking about communication here. Silence people, and you will control them. Silence, however is a term that needs explaining. How many people are legally allowed to vote? By that I mean of age to vote. How many of those are registered? What percentage of that percentage actually go and vote? Expressing our opinions here does absolutely zero for getting those that can do something about it to listen. It almost makes me believe the term "Silent Majority" that was used so much in politics in the 1960's. Now I'm going to flip the coin, looking at it through the other side of the glass. You, a company, provide a resource (bandwidth). How is it remotely reasonable to expect to get a flat rate for access to that resource, regardless of how much of that resource is actually used? That would be like a rock quarry charging X amount to allow someone access to the rock, but then having no control over how much rock a customer actually took once they had access. Perhaps it would be more reasonable to simply charge by byte or pound of rock whatever? "You want it? No problem, it's x per byte (pound) used, regardless of where or how you use it." A fairly decent idea, I think... until they get around the "decent" by packaging stuff in ways that make you buy more than you want so that they can get more money. I see their side of the issue, but I also know how devious they can be.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.