PAF Fixes and Addons

[IrukaXD]

I didn't quite understand this mod. I've use the refular PFA mod before. So I installed the latest Paf Fixes and Addons_AIO file, paf_4k_texture and paf_additionalfart. I had the mcm menu but didn't have the hotkeys to press. I installed the regular PAF mod and made sure that it loads before the mods I've mentioned. I got the hotkeys now but now it's not advancing to the next stage also I can't use the force accident key which is lshift and im guessing it needs to be used with the default PAF's b key so lshift+b. Am I doing something wrong with the installation or do I need to configure something?

 

EDIT: Also realised that when using a new savefile, the mod won't even generate a mcm menu. And when I use an existing save, I get comment manager version 4.1+ not found error. I checked the debugging tab and it says PAF 4.0 is not installed. Even though it's installed. And for some reason, it now says comment manager 4.1 is found.

Edited May 26, 2025 by IrukaXD

[Dg75]

6 hours ago, IrukaXD said:

I didn't quite understand this mod. I've use the refular PFA mod before. So I installed the latest Paf Fixes and Addons_AIO file, paf_4k_texture and paf_additionalfart. I had the mcm menu but didn't have the hotkeys to press. I installed the regular PAF mod and made sure that it loads before the mods I've mentioned. I got the hotkeys now but now it's not advancing to the next stage also I can't use the force accident key which is lshift and im guessing it needs to be used with the default PAF's b key so lshift+b. Am I doing something wrong with the installation or do I need to configure something?

 

EDIT: Also realised that when using a new savefile, the mod won't even generate a mcm menu. And when I use an existing save, I get comment manager version 4.1+ not found error. I checked the debugging tab and it says PAF 4.0 is not installed. Even though it's installed. And for some reason, it now says comment manager 4.1 is found.

You should only install Pee and Fart 4.0 rc3 if using PFA version 4.0.0 or under - non aio. 

Otherwise PFA AIO editions has paf combined with pfa, and only use the Patches flagged AIO for PFA AIO,

in exception the Paf 4k textures is okay to use for either.  Do Not install the regular paf mod with PFA AIO.

Edited May 26, 2025 by Dg75

[IrukaXD]

3 hours ago, Dg75 said:

You should only install Pee and Fart 4.0 rc3 if using PFA version 4.0.0 or under - non aio. 

Otherwise PFA AIO editions has paf combined with pfa, and only use the Patches flagged AIO for PFA AIO,

in exception the Paf 4k textures is okay to use for either.  Do Not install the regular paf mod with PFA AIO.

Okay done. There's a forced accident key and it's set to lshift. It says that I need to press the PAFActionKey. But what is the PAFActionKey? The mod mcm menu doesn't have a hotkeys menu that I can set that key to.

[Dg75]

6 hours ago, IrukaXD said:

Okay done. There's a forced accident key and it's set to lshift. It says that I need to press the PAFActionKey. But what is the PAFActionKey? The mod mcm menu doesn't have a hotkeys menu that I can set that key to.

Paf action key is the main hot key you set up in pee and farts mcm.  Even though pfa and paf are combined, pfa still loads the original 

pee and fart mcm as well as its own pfa mcm. The action key is by default set to B in pafs mcm.

 

if used in combo with pfa's modifier shift key will if no crosshairs force accident to you PC. If crosshairs then you may invite 

the target npc to just use a bottle. Their are a few other pfa options that influence this behavior as well, be sure to read the descriptions.

Edited May 27, 2025 by Dg75

[Dakhma]

The mod keeps telling me Lydia couldn't hold it any longer over and over. I tried dismissing her, disabling and enabling and reinstalling the mod but no fix.

[Dg75]

1 hour ago, Dakhma said:

The mod keeps telling me Lydia couldn't hold it any longer over and over. I tried dismissing her, disabling and enabling and reinstalling the mod but no fix.

she keeps having accidents ? 

This needs more info:

are you in settlement location ?

Is the needs toilet option enabled ?

Do you use a follower framework mod, that maybe makes her sandbox ?

[IrukaXD]

6 hours ago, Dg75 said:

Paf action key is the main hot key you set up in pee and farts mcm.  Even though pfa and paf are combined, pfa still loads the original 

pee and fart mcm as well as its own pfa mcm. The action key is by default set to B in pafs mcm.

 

if used in combo with pfa's modifier shift key will if no crosshairs force accident to you PC. If crosshairs then you may invite 

the target npc to just use a bottle. Their are a few other pfa options that influence this behavior as well, be sure to read the descriptions.

I don't have the paf mcm. It's not being registered over my existing save. I made a new save and it had the paf mcm this time but nothing was working. I couldn't check the state, do the action key. My pee and poop state didn't even increase.

Edited May 27, 2025 by IrukaXD

[Dakhma]

7 hours ago, Dg75 said:

she keeps having accidents ? 

This needs more info:

are you in settlement location ?

Is the needs toilet option enabled ?

Do you use a follower framework mod, that maybe makes her sandbox ?

The accident only happened once, I am outside near Helgen, not in any settlement. I need to double check if toilet needs are on, I do use a follower framework mod that lets her sandbox but only in cities which I am not in a city.

[Dg75]

4 hours ago, Dakhma said:

The accident only happened once, I am outside near Helgen, not in any settlement. I need to double check if toilet needs are on, I do use a follower framework mod that lets her sandbox but only in cities which I am not in a city.

Lydia probably just had highest pressure state and couldn't hold it. can be normal especially if fast travel or waking from sleep.

if it keeps happening over and over again, then may intel a problem.

 

if you just keep getting on screen messages "Lydia couldn't hold it any longer"  but lydia only had one accident. 

may intel a problem.  may mean somehow pressure state isnt getting reset after the initial accident. 

Edited May 27, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

10 hours ago, IrukaXD said:

I don't have the paf mcm. It's not being registered over my existing save. I made a new save and it had the paf mcm this time but nothing was working

ha! looks like you have same issues as @alphafr and @Ysfggboi. 

See their posts above and on last page. I don't think it ever got resolved.

heres is something they may have not tried-

make a clean save of any thing paf and pfa. Either by fully starting a new game or by resaver

if not a new game then resaver tool (fallrimTools) is required -

    -uninstall all pfa and paf related mods. Load your save - it will bark at you.

    -open console < setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 >

         this should force update skyui to fully remove the absent mods mcm's. 

   - Make a hard save -  exit and use resave to clean the savefile.

    -reinstall PFA AIO, and any patches you use. - with the AIO you should not be installing the original PAF 4.0

   -load the clean save. and try again. wait many minuts:

     If paf mcm fails to load - then maybe try setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 again and see if loads.

 

Or if clicking New Game and actually starting new. It should have worked. When you say "made a new save" how did you make a new save ?

 

[Dakhma]

17 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

ha! looks like you have same issues as @alphafr and @Ysfggboi. 

See their posts above and on last page. I don't think it ever got resolved.

heres is something they may have not tried-

make a clean save of any thing paf and pfa. Either by fully starting a new game or by resaver

if not a new game then resaver tool (fallrimTools) is required -

    -uninstall all pfa and paf related mods. Load your save - it will bark at you.

    -open console < setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 >

         this should force update skyui to fully remove the absent mods mcm's. 

   - Make a hard save -  exit and use resave to clean the savefile.

    -reinstall PFA AIO, and any patches you use. - with the AIO you should not be installing the original PAF 4.0

   -load the clean save. and try again. wait many minuts:

     If paf mcm fails to load - then maybe try setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 again and see if loads.

 

Or if clicking New Game and actually starting new. It should have worked. When you say "made a new save" how did you make a new save ?

 

I already gave up on that save and decided to starte anew. I will keep an eye on it, the only paf mods I have are PAF, PAF Fixes and Addons and Domination

[Dg75]

9 minutes ago, Dakhma said:

I already gave up on that save and decided to starte anew. I will keep an eye on it, the only paf mods I have are PAF, PAF Fixes and Addons and Domination

Well if it happens again it intel their pressure state isnt getting updated after initially relieving. 

This works off tracked game time. 

you could try using pfa remove actor- in pfa mcm on actor page. then re add the problem actor anew via paf's menu.

[Jordan_098]

I apologize if I misunderstood, but is the old PAF mod still required to be installed with the new PAF Fixes and Addons AIO v4.1.6.7 update? 

[Dg75]

5 minutes ago, Jordan_098 said:

I apologize if I misunderstood, but is the old PAF mod still required to be installed with the new PAF Fixes and Addons AIO v4.1.6.7 update? 

no. the aio has it combined. 

[Dg75]

To Clarify: AIO editions
   The editions of PFA AIO these are versions 4.1 and plus
packs within CommentManager.esp, and Pee and Fart, as well as the voice packs.
Except PeeAndFart.esp has been combined with Paf Fixes and Addons.esp so you wont actually see a PeeAndAfart.esp - it doesn't exist for this 
Paf Fixes and Addons.esp is now a light module and wont take a slot in your load order.

    Downside:
is if any other mod looks for a Pee and Fart.esp  it wont be found.
PFA has fixed integration with BISR - Bathing in Skyrim renewed, Others will be fixed as found.
PFA patches have been updated and flagged "AIO" and are only to be used with PFA AIO editions.
If updating from a pre-AIO, Paf Fixes and Addons v 4.0.0 and under Or if original Pee and Fart 4.0 or under
has already touched your save file. Then a New Game is required. - Not just loading an earlier save - but actually clicking on NEW GAME.

Exception to this is to create a clean save - not supported - but here are the steps to do. 
  note: this is only if PFA or PAF has touched your save and you are wanting to create a clean save. 
1. Before uninstalling anything. Load the game - open Paf's mcm - Use the reset option, wait for it complete.
    Open Comment Mangaer.esp - on the select Player voice option - unset it.  Then disable comments - first option.
    Make a New save then exit the game.
2. Fully Uninstall:

    1. Pee and Fart

     2. Paf Fixes and Addons

     3. PFA_VoicePackMain

     4. PFA_MaleVariants

     5. any patch that requires them as master files. 

   if vortex- delete archives from mod manager so it dont keep a copy.
3. Load the game. Skyrim will bark a warning - missing esp's . . Load it.
4. Wait at least a full 2 minutes after loading. - let all back ground noise finish. 
5. Open Console via tild and type < setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 > without the <> 
    Even though Pee and Fart is disabled, SkyUi will still have a registered mcm for it and probably rendered null due to the missing esp file.
    This command may invoke SkyUi to fully update and remove it.
6. Make a New Save.  Then exit game
7. Use a resaver tool like Fallrim tools to clean that same save file.
8. Install newest version of Paf Fixes and Addons AIO edition - will be a link to mega.
    DO NOT INSTALL:  PEE AND FART 4.0  with PFA AIO edition.
    DO NOT INSTALL: PFA_VoicePackMain - mega link "VmNxxIzY" as the AIO already has an updated version of it.
    DO NOT INSTALL:   PFA_MaleVariants, as PFA AIO already has it.
    DO NOT INSTALL:   Any of the original PFA patch's not flagged for "AIO"
    Do install any AIO patches for PFA AIO edition.
9. Load the game and wait for SkyUi to register newly added mods. It may take a bit - sometime it helps to open mcm then close it. 
    You should get at least three new mcm's 
    1. Comment Manager mcm
    2. Pee and Fart mcm 
    3. Paf Fixes and Addons mcm 
-

Edited May 27, 2025 by Dg75

[VergilDMX]

Hi! would it be possible to integrate compatibility with the mod Puppet master swallow in order to make it interact with the bladder/bowels values from PAF?

Currently, this mod only can listen to the old version of the mod Private needs, it would be nice to have an integration with this one too,

[Dg75]

5 hours ago, VergilDMX said:

Hi! would it be possible to integrate compatibility with the mod Puppet master swallow in order to make it interact with the bladder/bowels values from PAF?

Currently, this mod only can listen to the old version of the mod Private needs, it would be nice to have an integration with this one too,

that mod puppymaster is too extensive in its resource, It would be a huge undertaking, and I personally do not have the patience nor desire to do it.

Let alone all the source files needed in order to compile any of it. 

[domy]

Having some similar issues to other people with either PAF key bindings not working, script not working, unable to added actors/set toilets, or pfa not integrating correctly. I really wanted to get this to work and thought the new update was the perfect chance to try again so I did a fresh install of skse and all required mods and only had the mods for PFA enabled and nothing else. I figured out that my zaz seems to be the culprit as a result of these tests and here is what it is doing. No zaz/zaz 8+ enabled = pfa integrations working and showing in MCM but keybinding and script not working. Just normal zaz/zaz 8.0 enabled = paf working but integrations, comment manager, and add actors/set toilets doesn't work.  The zaz downloads I used are linked here. Am I using the wrong version of zaz? For Skyrim I am on version 1.6.117 with current versions of all required mods and skse64. Please help I love the new fart sounds and everything you're adding to the mod and really want it to work.

 

Edited May 28, 2025 by domy

[Dg75]

8 hours ago, domy said:

Having some similar issues to other people with either PAF key bindings not working, script not working, unable to added actors/set toilets, or pfa not integrating correctly. I really wanted to get this to work and thought the new update was the perfect chance to try again so I did a fresh install of skse and all required mods and only had the mods for PFA enabled and nothing else. I figured out that my zaz seems to be the culprit as a result of these tests and here is what it is doing. No zaz/zaz 8+ enabled = pfa integrations working and showing in MCM but keybinding and script not working. Just normal zaz/zaz 8.0 enabled = paf working but integrations, comment manager, and add actors/set toilets doesn't work.  The zaz downloads I used are linked here. Am I using the wrong version of zaz? For Skyrim I am on version 1.6.117 with current versions of all required mods and skse64. Please help I love the new fart sounds and everything you're adding to the mod and really want it to work.

 

I dont know why some are having issues, everything works great for me. I've started over just to test the install. 

Though despite me not being able to reproduce it, their have been too many users reporting same issue here.

So theirs got to be something to it.  If you saw a page or two back I tried working with @alphafr and @Ysfggboi 

and seemingly got nowhere. 

 

I honestly think its got something to do with Skyui having paf mcm still registered after the update. See two posts up, I left details on 

how to clean the save file. I think skyui getting confused with the new update and combined esp's as it it should only be done on a full 

clean save - means SkyUi hasn't seen Paf mcm yet. Or a New game.  

You see Pee and Fart functionality- requires its mcm to receive an OnConfigurationInit() - just like Oninit it only happens once when the 

mod is first installed. If skyUi already had the mcm for it registered - then its probably rendered null - stuck in limbo  -why SkyUi needs cleansed of it 

before trying to install PFA AIO. 

 

This is speculation. If I could reproduce it, I could test that theory . . 

So I can only recommend try to follow the steps above to clean the save. Particularly the setstage SKI_ConfigManagerInstance 1 before cleaning. 

Of course this only is relevant if SkyUi has already seen Paf or PFA's mcm's. And of course you are trying to install the AIO edition.

If you clicked on New Game then it shouldn't be necessary as that would wipe everything clean - or it should unless some crazy dll 

changes that functionality.  But I started new game and it just works for me. 

 

Shouldn't need zaz at all unless another mod wants it. Paf had packed in everything it needed from it in its 4.0 version. PFA AIO copied it over. 

I do use zaz though as my Domination requires it. I just use the "zaz animation pack CBBE HDT v 8.0 se2023" And let PFA/Paf overwrite it.

I dont see the zaz being your issue though, I dont think it would break keybinds or mcm's getting an oninit. 

 

I use the engine fixes, and all the fixit mods from po3, the extender . .PFA dont require any of it, but maybe help the 

Game do better.

 

Only other thing, maybe try enable papyrus logging in your ini. Try the install - for the first time- and see if it prints errors. 

 

I wish I could help you more. I'm at my wits end past this. But try and let me know.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2025 by Dg75

[Blacker114]

I also encountered some similar problems with AIO, so I reinstall paf4.0, but it seems that because I cleaned the archive and the mod was completely reset, my problem was solved. The problems if AIO must be difficult to solve,I deeply respect and appreciate your hard work and dedication as a mod author(sorry if this is not appropriate.My english is terrible)

 

 

[Blacker114]

I can't understand what's going on. When I start to play skyrim today, the urine was female's again... I was almost crazy. I don't wear any custom items.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2025 by Blacker114

[Dg75]

4 hours ago, Blacker114 said:

I can't understand what's going on. When I start to play skyrim today, the urine was female's again... I was almost crazy. I tested it and,the problem happens in both 3.9 and 4.0, so I guess it's not a bug after an update, or I did something wrong without knowing it.

 

 

You have a male Player and peeing from where a twat should be correct ? 

If this the case, its maybe because of worn items you added to pfa's custom worn list. - this only relevant if a leaking accident pee

as in pfa tries to detect if your pc is wearing undies or not. - any item you add to the worn list will be treated as "yes you are wearing something down their" 

so in a males case it would produce a fem pee to imitate it leaking down the leg rather than peeing normal from a schlong. 

So if you have items on the worn list - try removing them - pfa's mcm worn page.

Only items that cover that area should be added. - by default even without the worn list

pfa detects if wearing items on slot 52(and that its not a sos) and slot 49 as these two slots are what generally cover your butt, but many

modular outfits may offset slot usage - thus the custom list so end user can add what should be undies or pants. 

 

The custom worn list:

This also influence commentary - as some comments may start up if detected not wearing anything down their or exposed schlong 

say for example: if your pc wears an item with body slot 32, but this clothing don't use slots 52 and 49, and probably don't cover butt

and if you were not wearing anything else, PFA wants to treat that as your pc parading about in town with exposed schlong

My other mod if installed - cobw would actually add exposer and negative karma from it. 

So in this case - if no other part of the outfit used slots 52 or 49, then pfa would always detect your pc nude - thus 

user can add the clothing item that covers butt to the custom list to prevent that - downfall if wearing

that added item when peeing - pfa will treat it as worn - make you pee vertical - to imitate leak down leg - but only if accident

as the accident function doesn't undress the PC. 

 

You can also turn off the Worn function system in pfa mcm altogether. along with SOS detection. 

If sitting on toilets,  a male pc will always use female pee, so as to not pee outside the toilet.

 

So past this I need details on what's actually happening. 

1. is it a leaking accident ?

2. are you peeing normal via hotkey ? A bottle ? 

3. does always happen ? 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2025 by Dg75

[Blacker114]

24 minutes ago, Dg75 said:

You have a male Player and peeing from where a twat should be correct ? 

If this the case, its maybe because of worn items you added to pfa's custom worn list. - this only relevant if a leaking accident pee

as in pfa tries to detect if your pc is wearing undies or not. - any item you add to the worn list will be treated as "yes you are wearing something down their" 

so in a males case it would produce a fem pee to imitate it leaking down the leg rather than peeing normal from a schlong. 

So if you have items on the worn list - try removing them - pfa's mcm worn page.

Only items that cover that area should be added. - by default even without the worn list

pfa detects if wearing items on slot 52(and that its not a sos) and slot 49 as these two slots are what generally cover your butt, but many

modular outfits may offset slot usage - thus the custom list so end user can add what should be undies or pants. 

 

The custom worn list:

This also influence commentary - as some comments may start up if detected not wearing anything down their or exposed schlong 

say for example: if your pc wears an item with body slot 32, but this clothing don't use slots 52 and 49, and probably don't cover butt

and if you were not wearing anything else, PFA wants to treat that as your pc parading about in town with exposed schlong

My other mod if installed - cobw would actually add exposer and negative karma from it. 

So in this case - if no other part of the outfit used slots 52 or 49, then pfa would always detect your pc nude - thus 

user can add the clothing item that covers butt to the custom list to prevent that - downfall if wearing

that added item when peeing - pfa will treat it as worn - make you pee vertical - to imitate leak down leg - but only if accident

as the accident function doesn't undress the PC. 

 

You can also turn off the Worn function system in pfa mcm altogether. along with SOS detection. 

If sitting on toilets,  a male pc will always use female pee, so as to not pee outside the toilet.

 

So past this I need details on what's actually happening. 

1. is it a leaking accident ?

2. are you peeing normal via hotkey ? A bottle ? 

3. does always happen ? 

 

 

It is not a leaking accident,just pee by use hot key(I don't know where get a bottle so I didn't try to pee in a bottle),and it always happen.Moreover,I tried to turn off worn check in mcm after reading your reply,but it didn't help,the male PC still pee in a wrong way.

[Dg75]

2 hours ago, Blacker114 said:

It is not a leaking accident,just pee by use hot key(I don't know where get a bottle so I didn't try to pee in a bottle),and it always happen.Moreover,I tried to turn off worn check in mcm after reading your reply,but it didn't help,the male PC still pee in a wrong way.

Sorry, I was out and about and just got back. 

 

When it happens is your pc playing a male standing idle ? 

or is it getting the idle wrong as well ?

the reason I ask is because the pee and the idles work independently of each other and I'm trying to isolate where the issue occurs.

Edited May 30, 2025 by Dg75

[Dg75]

4 hours ago, Blacker114 said:

It is not a leaking accident,just pee by use hot key(I don't know where get a bottle so I didn't try to pee in a bottle),and it always happen.Moreover,I tried to turn off worn check in mcm after reading your reply,but it didn't help,the male PC still pee in a wrong way.

also: 

if not leak pee, then worn doesn't get checked. If you uses the hotkey as you say - paf undresses or pfa assumes pc has undressed, and only 

checks two other things.

1. If sitting - via "a_actor.GetSitState() == 3" this gets true if using any kind of furniture not just toilets, like workbenches too .

   If the game got you stuck in furniture even though you are not actually in furniture and are able move about and interact with the game as normal -

   can normally tell if trying to use workbench and it kicks you out - this a legacy skyrim bug that sometimes happens when exiting workbenchs. 

   if pfa got a true here would think you are sitting on a toilet and make vertical pee. 

 

2. the Game sex of your pc. via "Player.GetLeveledActorBase().GetSex()" - should get 0 if male. If somehow the game is returning something else

    this may cause pfa to make vertical pee. 

    What could effect the game getting wrong gender ? Maybe creature race ? or a mod added custom race ?   IDk . . 

    PFA does not look  on SexLab.GetGender - as sexlab's gender is user specific and can be different from game gender. Unless the sos futa detection is 

    enabled - in which case pfa double checks - a. Game gender is 1 (female) - b. Sos or tng futa is found on slot 52, and c. Sexlab gender is 0 (male) -

    then this only cause male pee on a female actor - but not the other way around.

    so your case is strange indeed, and the only way female pee can get onto a male when playing a male standing idle is if one game has you in a furniture state

    or two the game has your pc as a female.  

 I see no other possibilities as to why.  

 

an alternative - is use pno pee, as it still works from same functions from pafs equip tink and all the above still applies. 

- but will use different mesh - particle effect

rather than paf's legacy armor pee. 

 

Edited May 30, 2025 by Dg75