[Wip] Intimacy Project

[t3589]

No problem, bugtesting is sort of my thing 

 

As a mechanic, I think having to take it up with a pimp works better than automatically losing money from each transaction. You'd give him a "pimp" token and maybe have him report in after a set number of tricks. Or, you could just leave it up to the player in "good faith" - which I do anyways when I'm roleplaying haha. The problem with dialogue (and a problem I grapple with when writing for SexoutSex) is that its impossible to cover for all tastes. Some people like their dialogue dirty and smutty, others casual, others realistic, a few like it goofy, etc. I've considered "Perks" so each can choose their own, but as always they are imperfect solutions. 

 

I immediately start "testing" in highly populated areas because I know that if it works there, it'll work anywhere. Strangely though, or perhaps somewhat illuminating for you, the issue becomes pronounced only "after dark". I stood in the Atomic Wrangler for about 10 real time minutes during the day with a prostitute outfit, and no real lag manifested itself. Now jump to after 8pm, and there it is clear as day. Perhaps it is something to do with whatever script you've written for higher chances of solicitation after a certain time? Have you considered getting Prideslayer or Jaam to maybe give the scripts a quick look? They've both got experience with the problem and maybe they could spot something you've missed? It would be a shame to not be able to eliminate this bug, or for all your rebuilds to have been in vain, especially given the time you've put into it.

 

Anyway, great plugin! 

 

I will probably add individual pimps to report back to when I add in pimps.  It's automatic mainly because I'm lazy, but also because I didn't want to specify individual pimps in gangs who may get killed off and thereby lock you out.  I make enemies with the gangs in my play thrus VERY frequently, though not necessarily on sight.  My PC and the gangs almost always get along at first and then they piss me off and before you know it I'm shooting them in the face.

 

That is weird about darkness.  NPCs if they're going to, start soliciting at 7PM thru 5AM game time.  But what's weird is, none of that is in the scanner.  The only instance where 'lateness' is read is when they've already decided to approach you.  Or in other words at the point lateness is determined, the scanner has been done with them for quite some time in terms of scripting.  I'll probably HAVE to get some help before it's all said and done.

 

On that same note I just uploaded an update.  The payout issue should be fixed now.  Let me know if it isn't.  Also, I've temporarily disabled the use of a formlist I was using to limit scans based on promiscuity.  Just taking a stab in the dark really.  Let me know if it changes anything regarding the lag.

[t3589]

And I just found something that I think just might be the cause of it.  Damn activity token I've been fighting with for days now.  I've put some limits on it now.  Updated the OP again.  Sorry.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Argh... though you had it there for a moment. Nope, still get the issue. Lightly tested soliciting, didn't get post sex feedback with three johns, so I don't think the payment bug is an issue anymore. By the way, is there a negative response to demanding payment? If there is, I haven't found it yet. I'm also thinking charisma maybe should play a slightly higher role in attraction, as I get a lot of "x is not impressed" even though I have 9 charisma, which should be like... stunningly beautiful. Nothing over the top, just maybe a bit more?

 

I do actually like the "dual" system of pimping, one where the game basically freelances whoever is of the right faction and close to the player to be the "pimp" - which adds an element fo unpredictability and roleplay to to the game, in addition to "established" ones. Maybe you could make it so that if one pimp "takes over" the other one doesn't to avoid conflicts? I also like it because as you said, it keeps it simple - if someone dies, its not a big deal. Maybe add a sort of "expiration date" on pimping you have to keep renewing? That way if he dies and it "expires" you're free to continue, or do it elsewhere.

 

That stuttering thing really is annoying though, because it means you can't play for more than 10 minutes. PCB does nothing unfortunately. 

[t3589]

Argh... though you had it there for a moment. Nope, still get the issue. Lightly tested soliciting, didn't get post sex feedback with three johns, so I don't think the payment bug is an issue anymore. By the way, is there a negative response to demanding payment? If there is, I haven't found it yet. I'm also thinking charisma maybe should play a slightly higher role in attraction, as I get a lot of "x is not impressed" even though I have 9 charisma, which should be like... stunningly beautiful. Nothing over the top, just maybe a bit more?

 

I do actually like the "dual" system of pimping, one where the game basically freelances whoever is of the right faction and close to the player to be the "pimp" - which adds an element fo unpredictability and roleplay to to the game, in addition to "established" ones. Maybe you could make it so that if one pimp "takes over" the other one doesn't to avoid conflicts? I also like it because as you said, it keeps it simple - if someone dies, its not a big deal. Maybe add a sort of "expiration date" on pimping you have to keep renewing? That way if he dies and it "expires" you're free to continue, or do it elsewhere.

 

That stuttering thing really is annoying though, because it means you can't play for more than 10 minutes. PCB does nothing unfortunately. 

 

Well poo.  That's with version 27th I'm guessing, and not 26th?

 

There is only a negative response to asking for payment up front.  I don't know if you noticed this, but if you let a trick get away from you they will try to avoid you to avoid paying.  So in a way, you always get a negative response until you catch up to them.

 

Charisma is the primary factor in attraction already.  But it doesn't guarantee an approach.  I wanted it this way because, as the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I don't think every NPC should be expected to think with their wedding tackle.  Also, the 'not impressed' is a temporary state.  Never permanent.  It's a reaction to the image of the PC at that moment, not necessarily the PC as a person over all.  A high charisma WILL get you a lot of attention, but it doesn't promise you will be universally loved, respected, and/or enjoyed as company.

 

Currently there really is no pimping technically speaking.  Working for a gang only grants you relatively safe access to their territory and safety by associative retaliation.  Or in other words, if the territory you're working fears/respects the gang you're working for, you'll have less hassles (robberies/rape), and you'll have the option to settle disputes using them as a threat towards those you have problems with.

 

You can work for a gang outside of their territory.  When you agree to work for a different gang, the gang you've previously agreed to if any will be dismissed. But then you'll be vulnerable inside their territory again.  So you can only really work for one at a time currently.

 

Once pimps are added, you'll be able to negotiate with gangs and others thru your pimp for access to multiple territories.  As it stands currently, if you're an NCRCF girl, you're an NCRCF girl whether you're in PG territory or on The Strip.  However, the further you are from their territory, the less likely it is that your association with them will save you from trouble.

 

Whew!  That was a mouthful.  I hope that makes sense.

 

Where are you at in the game?  I'll have to go and test it out.  The most populated area I've tested in so far is the NCRCF using the reinforcements mod (lots and lots of PGs) and I don't get that issue.  But I also can't recall testing it there at night.  Something tells me it's not the scanner at all but something else.  Will keep plugging away at it.

 

Thanks again for all your help.

 

EDIT: Also are you using pop casinos just curious?  I'm using light.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Yes, version 27, hot from the oven.

 

Yes, I noticed negative responses for asking upfront. That being said though, shouldn't there be a possibility of negative responses after the act? I know he walks away, but I feel even then, he could just say "no". This would be a nice tie in with being protected or not - if you are, you can threaten him into paying up "or else" - but if your doing it independently, you're pretty much screwed. It also means you'll be more likely to ask upfront in the future as a precaution, which is what I thought it was there for, in a way.

 

No problem with the charisma, I guess wearing "marked as prostitute" outfit doesn't help. I'm actually quite happy with how the mechanic works, so no issues there. Also, what are the robberies/rapes you're talking of? I don't think I've encountered either one. So far, I haven't really noticed any "advantages" to being under someone's protection. I've only tried it at Freeside, where the Kings inevitably approach me at some point. I like what you've got planned for the pimps though - just wondering if I am missing anything in the protection system currently.

 

I'm testing at both Freeside and The Atomic Wrangler. I have rePopulated Wasteland, and Populated Casinos Large installed. Actually, the problem seems to start with me when I enter Freeside, near the East Gate. I'll try it at NCRCF to see if I get any different results.

[nyaalich]

Yes, version 27, hot from the oven.

 

Yes, I noticed negative responses for asking upfront. That being said though, shouldn't there be a possibility of negative responses after the act? I know he walks away, but I feel even then, he could just say "no". This would be a nice tie in with being protected or not - if you are, you can threaten him into paying up "or else" - but if your doing it independently, you're pretty much screwed. It also means you'll be more likely to ask upfront in the future as a precaution, which is what I thought it was there for, in a way.

 

No problem with the charisma, I guess wearing "marked as prostitute" outfit doesn't help. I'm actually quite happy with how the mechanic works, so no issues there. Also, what are the robberies/rapes you're talking of? I don't think I've encountered either one. So far, I haven't really noticed any "advantages" to being under someone's protection. I've only tried it at Freeside, where the Kings inevitably approach me at some point. I like what you've got planned for the pimps though - just wondering if I am missing anything in the protection system currently.

 

I'm testing at both Freeside and The Atomic Wrangler. I have rePopulated Wasteland, and Populated Casinos Large installed. Actually, the problem seems to start with me when I enter Freeside, near the East Gate. I'll try it at NCRCF to see if I get any different results.

 

Probably not helpful, but I'm throwing it in anyway.  You aren't using Freeside Open, are you?

[ChancellorKremlin]

Probably not helpful, but I'm throwing it in anyway.  You aren't using Freeside Open, are you?

No, not yet anyway. I like ironing out the problems in "normal" Freeside. Freeside and Sexout are just weird. It has a strange "2nd sex act bug" which haunts a few plugins to this day, and now something even weirder. I didn't get any stutter whatsoever in the NCRF at night. I did get a lot of "Whoa, you looked better from over there" but no stutter. I COC'ed to Freeside, but my game crashed too soon for me to diagnose anything.

[t3589]

Yes, version 27, hot from the oven.

 

Yes, I noticed negative responses for asking upfront. That being said though, shouldn't there be a possibility of negative responses after the act? I know he walks away, but I feel even then, he could just say "no". This would be a nice tie in with being protected or not - if you are, you can threaten him into paying up "or else" - but if your doing it independently, you're pretty much screwed. It also means you'll be more likely to ask upfront in the future as a precaution, which is what I thought it was there for, in a way.

 

No problem with the charisma, I guess wearing "marked as prostitute" outfit doesn't help. I'm actually quite happy with how the mechanic works, so no issues there. Also, what are the robberies/rapes you're talking of? I don't think I've encountered either one. So far, I haven't really noticed any "advantages" to being under someone's protection. I've only tried it at Freeside, where the Kings inevitably approach me at some point. I like what you've got planned for the pimps though - just wondering if I am missing anything in the protection system currently.

 

I'm testing at both Freeside and The Atomic Wrangler. I have rePopulated Wasteland, and Populated Casinos Large installed. Actually, the problem seems to start with me when I enter Freeside, near the East Gate. I'll try it at NCRCF to see if I get any different results.

 

Well I'm trying not to give too much away.  It IS tied to protection already.  It just hasn't been fleshed out because pimps aren't in yet.  But evil alignments WILL refuse to pay you on occasion if you're not protected.  And you're right, that is what it was there for.

 

No you're right on the money.  The only advantage currently is that gangs don't assault you.  Later I'll add negotiation and level of threat (pimp strength? lol).  Also I don't know if you've been shunned yet from an area, but pimps will also be able to get you back in business rapidly if that happens.

 

I'm going to try and hit Freeside here soon and I'll see if I can nail it down.  I put the Kings in but have yet to test any of that.  I did test the Khans at night, but not as an ally to them (only accepted) to see if they gifted me the outfit.  That went fine otherwise.

 

I was using the reinforcements mod for NCRCF which has always been laggy when I load that space, but otherwise went OK.  Plus I'm using AWOP which adds more PGs also.  It was pretty thick with NPCs.

[t3589]

 

I did get a lot of "Whoa, you looked better from over there" but no stutter.

 

 

lol  That part tickles the shit out of me every time I see it.

 

EDIT: I should probably have said this before, but this mod respects your random sex type chance prefs.  I test with my sliders at 40 Oral, 40 Vag, and 20 Anal.  In any case that is why you're getting the 'Whoa' statement is because none of those prefs are getting randoms under any of those numbers.  Try setting them higher and you'll get the whoa statement less.

[ChancellorKremlin]

Ha, in true whore fashion, it irritates the hell out of me, because I WALK to secluded spots lol... so when I find out my time has been wasted, I get furious!

 

 

 

I did get a lot of "Whoa, you looked better from over there" but no stutter.

 

 

lol  That part tickles the shit out of me every time I see it.
 

 

 

Ha, in true whore fashion, it irritates the hell out of me, because I WALK to secluded spots lol... so when I find out my time has been wasted, I get furious!

 

Anyway, getting strange results. I started in NCRCF, got no stutter, even though I spent all night there. Changed cells and everything. Then I COC'ed to FreesideEastGate, and got no stutter. Only problem I had was "Rotface" only has like two dialogue lines, and if he solicits you, there is no way to press E on him through SmallerTalk that doesn't bring just those two options up, and you're sort of stuck with him. Does SmallerTalk have a sort of... "alternate" function that allows you to just get the "generic" "What's up? Same old..." stuff?

 

So anyway, no stutter, maybe only some barely perceptible towards the end, wasn't even sure of it, right when I stepped into the Atomic Wrangler. BAM, stutter o'clock. It was like naught to sixty in two seconds haha. What irks me about littel bitchy bugs like these are that they are so unpredictable!  In an earlier test, I specifically started at the Wrangler, solicited all night, no stutter. Then I stepped out into Freeside and got loads of it. So I tried starting elsewhere, went to Freeside - no stutter. Then I go into the Wrangler and pow, stutter... argh!

 

Anyway... I notice there is a "unprotected sex" line - is there a protected sex line? I don't think I've seen condoms in the game, so I was just wondering what the purpose was? I was also thinking, a neat little option for both relationships and prostitution, would be for you to toggle a key for "dancing" with effects like increasing the range of soliciting/getting hit on, in addition to say, maybe getting a 25-33% increase in the chance of being hit upon/solicited. Would make for a nice feature! 

[t3589]

Ha, in true whore fashion, it irritates the hell out of me, because I WALK to secluded spots lol... so when I find out my time has been wasted, I get furious!

 

Anyway, getting strange results. I started in NCRCF, got no stutter, even though I spent all night there. Changed cells and everything. Then I COC'ed to FreesideEastGate, and got no stutter. Only problem I had was "Rotface" only has like two dialogue lines, and if he solicits you, there is no way to press E on him through SmallerTalk that doesn't bring just those two options up, and you're sort of stuck with him. Does SmallerTalk have a sort of... "alternate" function that allows you to just get the "generic" "What's up? Same old..." stuff?

 

So anyway, no stutter, maybe only some barely perceptible towards the end, wasn't even sure of it, right when I stepped into the Atomic Wrangler. BAM, stutter o'clock. It was like naught to sixty in two seconds haha. What irks me about littel bitchy bugs like these are that they are so unpredictable!  In an earlier test, I specifically started at the Wrangler, solicited all night, no stutter. Then I stepped out into Freeside and got loads of it. So I tried starting elsewhere, went to Freeside - no stutter. Then I go into the Wrangler and pow, stutter... argh!

 

Anyway... I notice there is a "unprotected sex" line - is there a protected sex line? I don't think I've seen condoms in the game, so I was just wondering what the purpose was? I was also thinking, a neat little option for both relationships and prostitution, would be for you to toggle a key for "dancing" with effects like increasing the range of soliciting/getting hit on, in addition to say, maybe getting a 25-33% increase in the chance of being hit upon/solicited. Would make for a nice feature! 

 

I'm getting ready to head to freeside here in a few minutes and check things out.  I sort of expected Freeside to have problems though so it doesn't really surprise me.

 

Yes, if you have male condoms, you can give your trick one to use.  Or if you have the diaphragm equipped there's an option for prevention that shows up.  Then of course you can always pop a female condom yourself before sex (during follow).  I use Hals STDs (I like that name better), I should probably add that as recommended along with Drugging which I also use.

 

Yes I had dancing with effects planned too for both if I can get it to work.

[ChancellorKremlin]

OK, I'm going to install STD's and Drugs and test out further. See you there lol

[t3589]

Well I get the same thing so far.  I got a symptom identical to scanner lag upon entering Wrangler.  Was fine in the street.  I thought it might be pop casinos, unloaded it, tested, smooth.  I thought OK so we're getting somewhere.  Loaded pop casinos back up, tried again, smooth?  Alright, maybe not.

 

I did find a slight problem with pop casinos though.  All the gamblers are good alignment.  I have the mod set so good alignments won't solicit you, they'll only want an honest relationship.  So I guess I'll divide them further into good that will and good that won't somehow.  Will keep digging at the stutter.

 

Updated the OP.  Put the promiscuity limits back in place as that didn't seem to change anything.

[ChancellorKremlin]

At the risk of sounding like a douche, I'm glad I'm not alone in this! 

 

Urgh... I remember now why I hated this bug so much back when I was testing for Legion and Tryouts, because it is so cruelly unpredictable. It can sneak up on you, it can happen all at once, it can do both things, not happen at all... the only thing I know for certain is that its "Sexout-mod" related, which is even more annoying, because those are the mods I can't play without! 

[panthercom]

 Are you using pregnancy? The reason I ask is I was getting stutter after a certain

period of time in various areas, and it stopped after I yanked pregnancy, as near as I

can tell. I'm not really into pregnancy; I only put it in to try out Breeder. I pulled Breeder

and the problem persisted, and then pregnancy and it seems to have cleared up.

[ChancellorKremlin]

I am. That is also more or less the reason I try pregnancy too. I'll see what happens if I turn it off. 

[Halstrom]

I am. That is also more or less the reason I try pregnancy too. I'll see what happens if I turn it off. 

I'm interested if it is the cause so I can look into fixing the issue if possible, perhaps it's too many fertility token scripts running in the cell. Also could be the semen tokens too, hopefully that won't be an issue when Spunk is used instead of the SCR semen system.

[ChancellorKremlin]

 

I am. That is also more or less the reason I try pregnancy too. I'll see what happens if I turn it off. 

I'm interested if it is the cause so I can look into fixing the issue if possible, perhaps it's too many fertility token scripts running in the cell. Also could be the semen tokens too, hopefully that won't be an issue when Spunk is used instead of the SCR semen system.

 

 

Yes, I'm running pretty much everything except Tryouts. So that's SCR, Slavery, Pregnancy, Spunk, STDs, Drugs and SDLR. I'll try a "lite" approach with everything but the basic requirements turned off and see if it changes anything.

[t3589]

Yes, I'm running pretty much everything except Tryouts. So that's SCR, Slavery, Pregnancy, Spunk, STDs, Drugs and SDLR. I'll try a "lite" approach with everything but the basic requirements turned off and see if it changes anything.

 

 

I stepped up to pop casinos medium.  I still get spiked upon entering, but haven't gotten the stutter yet today, though I crash sometimes after sex with Dixon.  It seems to happen more often when you're walking?  I could be seeing a pattern where there isn't one.  Maybe it will go away? lol

 

I've added Atomic Wrangler hooks.  Also Dixon hooks (he pays with booze/drugs), and I've tossed Rotface in the ignore list (I couldn't get him to respond either, read your post in SmallerTalk).  I'll post a new update as soon as I add the alley trap hooks.

 

I thought spunk wasn't compatible with pregnancy yet?

 

[nyaalich]

Hal:  I've never formally looked into Preg's mechanics.  I don't know at what point it determines the fertility of NPCs (on entering a cell?).  Nor do I know if there is a failure rate for birth control in SO.  If birth control never fails (albeit unrealistic), you could always assign fertility and/or STDs to a char only if birth control ISN'T used.

[Halstrom]

 

I thought spunk wasn't compatible with pregnancy yet?

 

 

Well Pregnancy still requires the SCR semen tokens, the beta of SCR self disables the cum shaders / buffs / smell faction stuff to it's semen tokens when it detects Spunk is installed. 

 

Hal:  I've never formally looked into Preg's mechanics.  I don't know at what point it determines the fertility of NPCs (on entering a cell?).  Nor do I know if there is a failure rate for birth control in SO.  If birth control never fails (albeit unrealistic), you could always assign fertility and/or STDs to a char only if birth control ISN'T used.

 

Depending on Pregnancy settings Fertility tokens are added to potentially any female when they first have sex, if on the highest setting, if you are experiencing lag you could use the PregDebug esp to check for Fertility/STD tokens in random NPC's. STD's apply to all actors except those in a "Can'tCatchDisease" formlist.

There are 2 types of Birth Control, the drugs supress & reduce the fertility of the user. Physical like condoms stop around 90% of the Semen.

[nyaalich]

T:  I notice that you updated the change log, but it looks like you haven't uploaded v29.

[ChancellorKremlin]

I'm going to be giving this another round of testing in about half an hour or so, though this time with all but the most essential Sexout plugins disabled. As Hal and others have suggested, it could be SLDR and another mod's interaction that are screwing things up, rather than just it by itself.

 

Lets find out! 

[t3589]

Spent the day tooling around in Freeside.  Did a lot of experimentation.  Hope I didn't break anything.  Update in the OP.

[t3589]

Rotface shouldn't be a problem anymore.  Those alley cats were a PITA!  Finicky finicky.  Now Dixon pays you in booze/drugs.  I'd stay away from that alley with thugs too.  Atomic Wrangler Guards will bar you if they catch you tuting, that is, unless you've already started the Wang Dang quest and recruited yourself ('What about me?').

 

EDIT:  You can work for the Kings and Wrangler at the same time.