[WIP] Skykids - Child races & other technical goodies - No more armor patcher! New CotS R2 Race!(6/22/15)

[Spyder Arachnid]

Yeah I'm setting up everything now to start on a rework of my mod, fix some issues and things.

 

 

On a side note though, I've been playing with BodySlide recently and having a blast with it. Converting armors to fit my body shape and all. Which got me thinking.....

 

 

Have you ever considered making a BodySlide compatible body for SkyKids? This way, all those armors that people like and things they can convert via BodySlide to fit the SkyKids body easily. No more being stuck wearing adult sized armors on a child, when you can convert it in BodySlide to fit the child body and avoid things like big breasts and adult proportions.

 

Cause currently the SkyKids body is set for UNP equivalent body types. So only UNP stuff works on them. So instead, make a CBBE based version that uses BodySlide, so people can start converting their own armors that they like for the child body. As an optional thing of course, not part of the main mod.

 

I don't know, just an idea since I've been playing with BodySlide lately.

[en_hawk]

Already have a cbbe version with an identical mesh(uv map wizardry) and texture(texture baking), but I have no clue how to work bodyslide from a content creator standpoint. Though why couldn't I just make a setting for the unp body at that point?

[Spyder Arachnid]

True, I forgot there was a UNP BodySlide. Been using the CBBE one myself, so not familiar with the UNP version.

 

Just figured it would be an easier direction for those who want their custom armors to work on the SkyKids body, without having to whip out Blender/3DSMax and learn modeling from scratch lol.

[en_hawk]

I literally have no idea how to work it, from a development standpoint, so...

[johann7124]

I have used the CBBE version to give myself a fairly close aproximation to the UNP body, but I would have no clue how to use it for a Skykid body.

[en_hawk]

I have used the CBBE version to give myself a fairly close aproximation to the UNP body, but I would have no clue how to use it for a Skykid body.

I made a version of the model with the cbbe uv map, and texture baked the unp textures across as well. If someone really wants to use the cbbe uv map for some reason, they could. Though I'd advise against it, really.

[Spyder Arachnid]

By the way en_hawk, here is a list of what sliders don't work with RaceMenu and SkyKids. Like I said, it's a lot.

 

This is my load order btw, so you can see what I'm using when I checked this (seriously bare bones).

 

Load Order:

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
Skykids.esm
RaceMenu.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
SK KS Hairdo's.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
SK SGHairPackAIO.esp
SK Child Armor Swapper.esp

 

 

 

Sliders that don't work for SkyKids:

 

 

Face

Nose Area Depth

Nose Sellion Width

Nose Sellion Width (2)

Nose Sellion Depth

Nose Sellion Height

Nose Tilt

Cheek Shape

Jaw Shape

Nose Bridge

Nose Width

Nose Bridge Depth

Nose Tip Slope

Nose Tip Width

Nose Bridge Width

Nose Depth

Nose Length 2

Nose Height 2

Nose Type 2

Jaw Depth

Jaw Height 2

Jaw Width 2

Cheekfront Width

Cheekback Width

Cheekbone Width 2

Cheekbone Height 2

Face Height

Elf Ear

Face Weight

Age

 

Eyes

Eyelid Open

Eye Angle

Eye Depth 2

Eye Spread

Eye Height 2

Eyelash Length

Iris Height

Iris Spread

Iris Size

Eye Tilt

Lower Eyelid Height

Upper Eyelid Height

Eyelid Height

Eye Size

Eye Type

Eye Size 2

 

Brow

Brow Angle

Brow Depth

Brow Width

Brow Height 2

Brow Arch

Brow Slope

 

Mouth

Mouth Depth

Mouth Corner Height

Mouth Corner Depth

Mouth Smile

Mouth Width 2

Lip Thickness

Mouth Height 2

Lower Lip Height

Upper Lip Height

Lip Height

Mouth Width

Lip Pout

Chin Angle Height

Chin Jut Depth

Chin Depth

Chin Length 2

Chin Width 2

Mouth Type 2

 

 

 

Like I said, pretty much 80% of the sliders don't work for SkyKids. Just the vanilla ones that come with Skyrim work. I was making a Male Nord Child when I tested this, but I remember having the same issue before when making a Female Nord Child as well.

 

 

On a side note, I've been tweaking the male texture to try to fix all those ugly seams that I left in my old edit. It's coming along pretty decently, so I'll have a new version up soon for you. It uses the Alternative Male Body though, not the new one. Though I just can't seem to fix those feet lol.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Just thought I'd give you an update on the slider issue.

 

I talked to expired, the author of RaceMenu, and this is what they had to say about it:

 

 

My guess is incompatible tri files? RM should attempt to detect similar tri files and extend the functionality to them, but if they are just not compatible it likely won't do anything, or would only work for a few parts. You would have to check the chargen log and look for instances where it failed to match tri files. I believe they used the female morphs for both male and female, this is probably why nothing works, assuming you are using a male child. The only way to make them work would be to make your own morphs.ini file to extend the child tri files explicitly rather than relying on auto-detection.

 

Completely over my head, but maybe you'll understand what they mean and it will help getting SkyKids to work with the extra sliders provided with RaceMenu.

 

Here's a copy of my chargen report, not sure if it helps or not, but here it is any ways.

[en_hawk]

Just thought I'd give you an update on the slider issue.

 

I talked to expired, the author of RaceMenu, and this is what they had to say about it:

 

 

My guess is incompatible tri files? RM should attempt to detect similar tri files and extend the functionality to them, but if they are just not compatible it likely won't do anything, or would only work for a few parts. You would have to check the chargen log and look for instances where it failed to match tri files. I believe they used the female morphs for both male and female, this is probably why nothing works, assuming you are using a male child. The only way to make them work would be to make your own morphs.ini file to extend the child tri files explicitly rather than relying on auto-detection.

 

Completely over my head, but maybe you'll understand what they mean and it will help getting SkyKids to work with the extra sliders provided with RaceMenu.

 

Here's a copy of my chargen report, not sure if it helps or not, but here it is any ways.

 

I don't know what to tell you, it should be working for the females. At least its working on my end.

 

The males on the other hand might actually not work without the explicit definitions now that I think about it. I'll probably need to look into fixing that at some point, as we do use the female heads for the males.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Might explain it then, cause I was making a male not a female.

 

Though I remember some sliders not working for females either, but it wasn't a lot. Not like it is with the males. But it was still workable regardless. I'll test it out on a female and see how it goes since the male gave me issues.

 

I have no idea about all that morph stuff or definitions and things, so I'll leave it to you lol. I just make faces.

 

 

EDIT: Yeah just tried it with a female nord child, and all the sliders work just fine. It's just the males that have issues. I'll hold off on working on something till you can fix that, no rush though. But I will go ahead and fix my replacer at least. The weight issues.

[en_hawk]

Your faces are still appreciated

[Spyder Arachnid]

Oh btw, here is compatibility patches for SG Hair Pack 268 Edition and KS Hairdo's for those that use the playable race. Made these cause I was planning on using those two packs this time around. Can't remember if I already posted the SG Hair Pack one though, so here it is again lol.

 

 

EDIT: As well, here is the male textures I was working on. I used the Alternate Male Body for these, and it works really well with these textures. Not sure how they will look on the regular body, as I didn't try.

SK SGHairPackAIO.esp

SK KS Hairdo's.esp

SkyKids - Alternative Male Body Textures.rar

[en_hawk]

The uv map is completely different(sos male vs unp female) between the old and new male bodies, so unfortunately there is no crossover. Good to have the resource though.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Ah okay. Well that explains a lot actually.

 

Was wondering why I was having so many issues trying to get different male textures to work on the new body, when it is UNP designed. I've been working off textures designed for regular male bodies.

 

Now I might try to find some UNP textures that I can work with to make them more... manly? lol

[en_hawk]

Er, other way around. The new body is based on the sos male uv map, the old one is based on a female unp body.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Oh.... weird.

 

Those textures seem to work just fine on the old model then that is based off UNP bodies. Though the textures I worked with were based off a regular male body. So odd that they didn't work well on the new model, but work just fine on the old one.

 

Eh, too confusing for my brain. It works is all I know. lol

[johnny2by4]

somewhat off topic, but is there any way to change the order which SUM builds reproc patches?  it wants to build ASIS patch after the armor patch for this mod.

[Spyder Arachnid]

somewhat off topic, but is there any way to change the order which SUM builds reproc patches?  it wants to build ASIS patch after the armor patch for this mod.

 

Skyproc patches based off your load order. Whatever your load order is, that is the order it will patch in.

 

If you have unrecognized mods, or mods that are not sorted, they will not be added to your patch and will load after your patch. If you're using BOSS, you need to manually add your unrecognized mods to your userlist in BOSS so the patcher will recognize them. If using LOOT, then LOOT is sorting ASIS after the armor patcher. You'll have to set special rules for it in the LOOT interface so it loads after (I have no idea how to do this, as it never worked for me).

[PanEXE]

So I just installed the mod, and all of the children are in underwear.  Which is strange because 1. obviously, where are their clothes 2. aren't they supposed to be nude?

[johann7124]

So I just installed the mod, and all of the children are in underwear.  Which is strange because 1. obviously, where are their clothes 2. aren't they supposed to be nude?

 

That means you have not run the SKArmorPatcher yet, it will be located in the ~\skyrim\Data\SkyProc Patchers\SKArmorPatcher folder.

[Spyder Arachnid]

So I just installed the mod, and all of the children are in underwear.  Which is strange because 1. obviously, where are their clothes 2. aren't they supposed to be nude?

 

1. Like Johann said. You didn't run the patcher (always a good idea to RTFM before installing something...)

 

2. No, they shouldn't be nude. This mod does not contain nudity and doesn't support child nudity either. Maybe you should read the rules of this site (specifically rule 13). You know, the ones you agreed to when you signed up here....

[rebelseal]

the armor swapper file isnt recognized

[Spyder Arachnid]

the armor swapper file isnt recognized

 

That's fine if it's not recognized. It has to sit at the bottom of your load order any ways, so being unrecognized puts it at the bottom regardless. As long as you have it checked (activated) in your mod manager (NMM or MO), then it is fine being down there unrecognized. It's where it needs to be any ways.

 

And if you're using BOSS (not LOOT), then maybe you should RTFM. Quote from the install instructions on the main page (you know, the stuff you're supposed to read before installing mods):

 

 

 

BOSS Userlist entries: <-- THIS PART IS NOT OPTIONAL!!(unless you're using LOOT) Don't go asking for help in the thread unless you've done this.

LOOT Users: Everything should work out of the box, just make sure to run LOOT before running the armor patcher/SUM, and make sure the patcher esp is at the bottom of your load order.

This has entries for everything, so BOSS will complain about having user rules for files that don't exist unless you install every possible option; just ignore it, it isn't hurting anything. Some of the files have been added to the official BOSS masterlist since the initial release, however they messed up the order so you need to make sure to have these overrides in here or you will likely end up with missing masters due to load order. These have been updated for the new content, so be sure to clean out any old userlist entries(if present) before adding these('Skykids.esm' is intentionally absent).

OVERRIDE: SK Drow Child Race.esm

AFTER: Skykids.esm

 

OVERRIDE: SK Monli Race.esm

AFTER: Skykids.esm

 

ADD: monli preset1.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: monli preset2.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: monli preset3.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: SK Lolydia.esp

BOTTOM: Companions

 

ADD: SK Drow Taldyn.esp

BOTTOM: Companions

 

ADD: SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp

BOTTOM: Overrides

 

ADD: SK Child Armor Swapper.esp

BOTTOM: Dynamic Plugins

 

[Lifty]

The Patcher fails at validating record lenghts (Step 7/8).
I added the entries to BOSS userlist already. Any idea what else could be the problem? I used MO and NMM each to no avail.

[MidbossVyers]

Have you tried to force patch?