nutluck Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Sounds very cool, having two branches and both being different.
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Sounds very cool, having two branches and both being different. By the way, both branches will be mutually exclusive but you will be able to change your mind once after chapter 1. So, if you ended chapter 1 with a corrupted temple, you will be able to chose either branch only at the beginning of chapter 2. Same if you ended with an end to the corruption after chapter 1. You will be able to change your mind and restart the corruption or finish the clean up. Once you are engaged on the clean up or corruption path in chapter 2, there will be no going back.
nutluck Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Sounds good, it gives replayability that way. You can play it twice for different experience. Of course I have not gotten far enough in chapter 1 to choose if I want to clean it up or corrupt it yet, hopefully soon.
MegaGothmog Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I have a question: I have reached the point where i need to find out what mother Hamal is hiding. I found a 'disturbing letter' about her, gave it to Senna, but i don't know what to do now. What do i have to do, and how do i do it?
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 I have a question: I have reached the point where i need to find out what mother Hamal is hiding. I found a 'disturbing letter' about her, gave it to Senna, but i don't know what to do now. What do i have to do, and how do i do it? You should go back to Mother Hamal and confront her about the letter.
Vithiss Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 I must confess that I can't figure out how to get the key->letter. I did a pickpocket peek at Mother Hamal and she has no key for her locker and she never seems to go to the baths to repeat the worship Senna says she has seen. Everyone seems to get this just fine, but I am utterly baffled. I hate to be the one with a head full of popcorn, but I would very much appreciate it if someone would enlighten me. Thanks.
Riddlesinthedark Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 If you are playing a male character, does the mod currently end after you rescue the Sybil? As a male character, you should still be able to complete chapter 1 since you should have received the Dibella's Heart perk. What you will be missing is some side quests, like collecting donations to the temple or having to look for the missing sisters. I am still looking for a way to involve male characters with the Temple. Thanks, upon closer inspection it was that I kept missing the alter and ended up sleeping on the stone bed in the middle Its been fun, keep up the great work.
MegaGothmog Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I have a question: I have reached the point where i need to find out what mother Hamal is hiding. I found a 'disturbing letter' about her, gave it to Senna, but i don't know what to do now. What do i have to do, and how do i do it? You should go back to Mother Hamal and confront her about the letter. Thank you, now i got much further. But now i am stuck (again) a little later in the quest. I have just confronted Healga, talked to Svana who *SPOILER ALERT* turned out to be Sanguine. I returned to the temple and need to find a way to get the sisters to follow Dibella again. But i have no flying idea how. A quest marker would be really helpful in these cases.
nutluck Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Ok I finished the bards college and mara's temple quests. Here is a few issues I had, comments and possible suggestions. Ok I have been avoiding reading anything that might spoil or give things away. So I can see how it will be for someone who just loads up the mod and tries to play through it. So there is some more observations. 1) Bug, I am still getting crashing going into the temple or zoning into a new area of the temple about 1 in 5 times. Only place I am getting CTD's so pretty sure it is something inside the temple. 2) bug, you get the letter comment before getting into the chest of Mothers, but I see someone else has already reported that bug. 3) I don't know if this is a bug or not but for the life of me I can not find the key to get into the chest, nor do I have dialogue to confront mother about it. So, at this point I am actually at a lost on what to do in the quest. The quest says get evidence on the mother or something to that effect but there is no clue what to do next. I think there needs to be a better hint on where the key is and how to proceed at this part of the quest. 4) This is a suggestion, now this one would require you to work with textures/meshes and I don't know if that is something you can do. If not maybe you can get help from someone else. This has to do with the flute, since it is implied it is sexual in the mod. Why not have a special strapon and have the bards college person use it on the PC and show them the other uses and then the PC can use it on the sybil. That would make it more immersive. As it is, it just seems strange you learn about the flute and then just have regular lesbian sex. 5) Another suggestion, this is from traveling all around due to the college and mara quests. I got the idea because all NPC's have that extra dialogue if you are wear the wreath. In addition why not if you are wearing the wreath, it stops bandits, forsworn, orcs, etc people that would respect Dibella from being hostile aka attacking you. Instead they start dialogue and demand sex from the sister and if the sister refuses they force themselves on the sister. Could even have it so at first they don't force themselves and let the sister pass with out harm even if she turns down the sex but as the temple gets more corrupted they start to rape the sisters. In addition when collecting offerings, at first people give the offers and request sex but the sister can turn it down. As the corruption goes up when they give a offering they don't take no for a answer and take the sister or perhaps the sister feels compeled to have sex. Then once the corruption gets really high even those that don't give donations force themselves on the sister, due to san's influence. 6) Another suggestion this has to do with the corruption of the temple to help show more of san's influence. At first when the sister have sex it is lesbian sex, then it moves to strapon sex, and finally it moves onto aggressive strapon sex animations. Showing the growing influence of san corrupting the sisters. I think the last ones would help show the corruption. As it is not other than some dialogue and the statue in the bath there is not real indication the corruption is having a impact. So seeing a gradual change like that would be nice I think. Of course that might be hard to do and beyond the scope of the mod but thought I would suggest it anyways. Feel free as always to ignore any of the this.
nutluck Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Ok I finished this or at least I think I finished part 1. I went back on and searched for about another 15 mins and could just not figure out where the key was or how to get it. So I finally gave up and just consoled commanded it. Then I was able to open the chest, get the letter, confront mother and go on with the quest. These are my further comments and suggestions on the quest. 1) After you talk to Svan after Helga sends you to her, it would be nice if that conversation when you found out who she really is was flushed out more. Let you have a big of a back and forth with her and let Svan try and convince you why it is for the best to keep the temple corrupted. As it stands it is just on what you pick of the two choices with no real hints of corruption. What I would suggest is Svan try to convince you the old ways are best, have her have Helga come over and pleasure the PC or have a threesome with Hegla and Svan pleasuring the PC. To show the PC why it would be in their interest to keep the temple corrupt. Something along those lines. 2) If you choose to have the temple corrupt, once you go back and talk to Sena (I think her name is the one that was working with you to figure out what was going on) and you have sex with her. Have you next talk to mother and tell her that you have seen the ways and that Sena is on board with the it as well. Mother then summons all the sisters together and tells everyone what has happened and how blessed they are by the goddess which triggers a orgy with all the sisters. That would be a nice end to part one, though I admit I guess it depends on what part 2 is like if this fits. All and all I enjoyed the mod a lot, but I think it could use a little more polish and I would like to see the corruption parts expanded so it is more obvious and have more of a impact on the temple, sisters and how others treat them. Finally I have a request. Can we get a sisters pack that only has Sybil in it, so we can leave the other sisters as they are? I personally would like that. I know the Sybil needs to be changed for obvious reasons but the rest I would like to leave as they are. I do have a question is their a reason to keep collecting donations or marks for the sybil? As far as i can tell there doesn't seem to be any. Anyways just giving feedback, great work so far and look forward to chapter 2.
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 I must confess that I can't figure out how to get the key->letter. I did a pickpocket peek at Mother Hamal and she has no key for her locker and she never seems to go to the baths to repeat the worship Senna says she has seen. Everyone seems to get this just fine, but I am utterly baffled. I hate to be the one with a head full of popcorn, but I would very much appreciate it if someone would enlighten me. Thanks. Sorry for the delay. I meant to say that the clue is that Hamal is doing something fishy in the Baths, so you can limit your search there. Senna says she is doing something involving a ritual, so look at the statues... or around the statues.. There are multiple statues in the baths
Vithiss Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 You were quite prompt imo, thank you. Found it. I'd have sworn that I looked there. I'll blame it on the eye surgery... So, as it turns out, it wasn't that the clues given in-game were at all inadequate, just my visual acuity or attentiveness or some such. They took me right where I was supposed to go, I just didn't see the key, then I started assuming that I misunderstood. Thanks again, off to finish chapter 1 and toy with the tantalizing implications for some poor soul who ends up being owned by Haelga or Svana via SD+
Vithiss Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Oooh, yay. Great ending. And, a thought about things males could do: This would actually work for both males and females as an alternative to soliciting donations.Create donations via crafting skills. Could be a certain number or, more aptly imo, a certain quality. Thanks again for sharing your work and your delightfully deviant imagination with us.
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 @nutluck and @Vithiss - Many thanks for the great suggestions. I added most of them to the to do list on Github (except for the orgy and a couple of ideas). Regarding the marks, you can use them in two ways. - to advance Fjotra's progression outside of the chapter 1 questline - to cash them out in exchange for a chance at earning a Perk point in the Skills menu (a gift from Dibella)
a_clue_no Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Ok I must be missing something, but I can't find the travelling sisters at all. I rescued the sybil and did the other quest stuff regarding the Mother, but I went to blind cliff cave and broken tower redoubt and I've gone back into both several times, am I missing something? Am I looking in the right places?
MegaGothmog Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Can someone help me out here? I just talked to Svana and now i need to find a way to bring the sisters back to Dibella's light, but i have no idea how. What am i supposed to do here. The statue in the baths changed back to normal, but for the rest nothing happened. Please help
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 Can someone help me out here? I just talked to Svana and now i need to find a way to bring the sisters back to Dibella's light, but i have no idea how. What am i supposed to do here. The statue in the baths changed back to normal, but for the rest nothing happened. Please help There is nothing to do at this point.,. this is the end of chapter 1. I am working on chapter 2
nutluck Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 @nutluck and @Vithiss - Many thanks for the great suggestions. I added most of them to the to do list on Github (except for the orgy and a couple of ideas). Regarding the marks, you can use them in two ways. - to advance Fjotra's progression outside of the chapter 1 questline - to cash them out in exchange for a chance at earning a Perk point in the Skills menu (a gift from Dibella) Nice I checked out the github page. I see you liked most of my suggestions or at least they inspired you and you noted them. The orgy one I was really unsure of cause it makes a huge differences how chapter 2 is, if it fits or not. Did care for the making bandits and the like not hostile if you was wearing the wearth and not armed though I see. I can see that one, as it would be likely a lot of work.
DeepBlueFrog Posted May 14, 2015 Author Posted May 14, 2015 @nutluck and @Vithiss - Many thanks for the great suggestions. I added most of them to the to do list on Github (except for the orgy and a couple of ideas). Regarding the marks, you can use them in two ways. - to advance Fjotra's progression outside of the chapter 1 questline - to cash them out in exchange for a chance at earning a Perk point in the Skills menu (a gift from Dibella) Nice I checked out the github page. I see you liked most of my suggestions or at least they inspired you and you noted them. The orgy one I was really unsure of cause it makes a huge differences how chapter 2 is, if it fits or not. Did care for the making bandits and the like not hostile if you was wearing the wearth and not armed though I see. I can see that one, as it would be likely a lot of work. Thanks I left out the orgy as it would involve creating a complex scene, which in my experience is a lot of work to test and can cause crashes in an already crash prone temple. I also left out the wreath idea as it would require to tinker with a cloak effect and solve issues with calming down hostile NPCs. I don't want to open that can of worm The other ideas seem more approachable.
nutluck Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Totally understandable on both accounts. Hopefully we can start testing chapter 2 soon.
karlpaws Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Random thought I haven't looked into doing myself yet... how hard is it to add the PC to a faction when you equip an item and remove from faction when you remove the item. or to do something similar? Could you use the bandit friendly faction instead of calming hostile bandits?
nutluck Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Random thought I haven't looked into doing myself yet... how hard is it to add the PC to a faction when you equip an item and remove from faction when you remove the item. or to do something similar? Could you use the bandit friendly faction instead of calming hostile bandits? Pretty sure a mod did that with some of the armors, like stormcloak made you stormcloak faction. The hard part would be if it made you bandit faction having others not be hostile to you thing, and making others like forsworn friendly. It might be doable or it could be really complicated, I honestly don't know how to friendly faction function works. With that said though that would likely be a lot easier than calming cloak or at least less prone to breaking/causing issues.
vampire_knight Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Any sign of a solution to the problem of the Riften quest when one of the three targets for the mark of Dibella is dead? Before I'm asked I have no idea when he was killed so cannot go back to a pre-death save :-)
nutluck Posted May 14, 2015 Posted May 14, 2015 Any sign of a solution to the problem of the Riften quest when one of the three targets for the mark of Dibella is dead? About the only thing you could do is use the console command to force complete Helga's quest. Since the next part of this mod starts after you finish that mod, so you should be able to console command it as finished and then talk to Svene and Helga to keep this mod going.
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