From the deeps (new version)

[killer905]

1 hour ago, Delzaron said:

that's not normal at all...

 

 

I don't know. Maybe it's just a problem with me? I'll test it and see, but I won't do it at the moment.

[Aki K]

23 hours ago, Delzaron said:

 

1 : the prostitute path is fully implemented.

not the merchant one...

 

2 : there is a scene. wait it playing, the quest will progress, and you will be able to talk to knyva. Please give me the stages you face problems with.

 

 

3 : I know, the chapter 2 is still in construction. Please list all the glitches you can find. With screenshots, quest stage, etc...

 

4 : yeah, I know... the only solution to fix it will be in tesc, and rebuilt the aftd1_chapter1_end variables

 

5 : what ? Please, details !

 

6 : what ? screenshots please ! rthat's not supposed to play like that. the bedroom is in the cave, not upstairs.

 

 

1. I see where things went wrong on my end. I did not realize I had to complete all lewd acts to pick that disguise and I only completed half of them.

 

2. The scene did not play. After the sex animation he just stood there. Another character appeared and stood at the doorway blocking my exit, but there were no conversations and no new dialogue.

 

3. I understand.

 

4. Ok.

 

5. If you talk to the person in dawnstar in the shop a dialogue option also appears for the solitude quest. You can use that dialogue tree and the dialogue tree for the dawnstar character and it progresses the solitude mission up to the warehouse part.

 

6. I'll see if it happens again. I have to restart from the beginning so it will be some time before i'm back up to that point. The bedroom is in a trapdoor. But if one walks upstairs the game displays a message like you found the bedroom but doesn't actually update the quest, so you still have to find the bedroom to progress the quest.

 

23 hours ago, Delzaron said:

 

 

Curious... I'll add a script line to be sure it will went off.

For now, just use unequipall command

 

Unequip all does not work for zaz or devious equipment due to the way the scripts for those devices work. Devious devices has an MCM debug option to remove defective equipment but Zaz does not.

 

However, with the right MCM settings in Zaz one can have a blacksmith remove items but in my case I had to use several different console commands to even get to that point due to the restricted movement. In any case the guard does not remove the cuffs, or if they do Zaz does not fully recognize it and requips them.

 

One suggestion is to use a set of cuffs that don't actually lock on the player. There are some zaz cuffs that the player can freely equip and unequip. Trusting the player to not remove them mid scene is an issue but at least it won't break the game. So you could test different cuff items and see which ones don't require script changes to remove.

[Delzaron]

5 hours ago, Aki K said:

1. I see where things went wrong on my end. I did not realize I had to complete all lewd acts to pick that disguise and I only completed half of them.

 

2. The scene did not play. After the sex animation he just stood there. Another character appeared and stood at the doorway blocking my exit, but there were no conversations and no new dialogue.

 

3. I understand.

 

4. Ok.

 

5. If you talk to the person in dawnstar in the shop a dialogue option also appears for the solitude quest. You can use that dialogue tree and the dialogue tree for the dawnstar character and it progresses the solitude mission up to the warehouse part.

 

6. I'll see if it happens again. I have to restart from the beginning so it will be some time before i'm back up to that point. The bedroom is in a trapdoor. But if one walks upstairs the game displays a message like you found the bedroom but doesn't actually update the quest, so you still have to find the bedroom to progress the quest.

 

Unequip all does not work for zaz or devious equipment due to the way the scripts for those devices work. Devious devices has an MCM debug option to remove defective equipment but Zaz does not.

 

However, with the right MCM settings in Zaz one can have a blacksmith remove items but in my case I had to use several different console commands to even get to that point due to the restricted movement. In any case the guard does not remove the cuffs, or if they do Zaz does not fully recognize it and requips them.

 

One suggestion is to use a set of cuffs that don't actually lock on the player. There are some zaz cuffs that the player can freely equip and unequip. Trusting the player to not remove them mid scene is an issue but at least it won't break the game. So you could test different cuff items and see which ones don't require script changes to remove.

 

hum, curious, I always strip the zaz stuff by unsing the remove item or unequip scriopt lines in CK, and it works well.

[Aki K]

I was able to progress a lot further this time but found more glitches.

 

The quest "inquiry: Shadows below" something or other completely breaks at stage 130. I had to use console commands twice to get to stage 140 and then later to stage 190 when stage 180 also broke.

- In addition, when I am given the objective to enter the house of the guy near the end of this quest, the quest marker instead takes me to "olga's house" and if I enter her house the quest doesn't update. It just moves the quest marker to an inaccessible location, so i do not know where to go and am stuck.

 

The dawnstar quest again let me start the solitude investigation. I tried to avoid it but when i got to the guy Norri who you play the game with, it let me use him to do the solitude quest as well and I could not play the game with him until I progressed the solitude part at least a little.

 

 

Good news:

- The cuffs came off this time so maybe something just went wrong with that specific file.

- The bedroom glitch in dawnstar did not happen again.

- I was able to get much farther.

 

 

Now that I have gotten decently far, this is a very fun mod. I very much like the story so far.

 

EDIT: Updates

- Managed to get through the shadows quest. But I think whatever the next quest was didn't properly start. The ceremony one. I was able to force start it, but it stopped at stage 70.

- After forcing myself through I eventually was able to get on the boat and go back to Solitude but there was no way to retrieve my gear.

Edited October 31, 2023 by Aki K

[Ash7141]

Hello, loving the mod so far I just have a couple of questions. Susana seems to be stuck in the wall in her home any way for me to fix this? Also when doing the inquiries on insmouth once I've completed one I don't get prompted to investigate the other after. Is this because the next part isn't released or is it another error on my part?

[killer905]

39 minutes ago, Ash7141 said:

Hello, loving the mod so far I just have a couple of questions. Susana seems to be stuck in the wall in her home any way for me to fix this? Also when doing the inquiries on insmouth once I've completed one I don't get prompted to investigate the other after. Is this because the next part isn't released or is it another error on my part?

After completing your first task in Insmouth, you should go to sleep in Susanna's bed. After using the bed, strange sounds should appear and a momit should appear with a second task to complete in this city. Currently, there are 4 quests available in this city.
As for Susanna in the wall, try to move her to you using the command.

[Ash7141]

1 hour ago, killer905 said:

After completing your first task in Insmouth, you should go to sleep in Susanna's bed. After using the bed, strange sounds should appear and a momit should appear with a second task to complete in this city. Currently, there are 4 quests available in this city.
As for Susanna in the wall, try to move her to you using the command.

Ok thank you for the swift reply

[davidxs]

I am on the part of the mod where you have to into the light house and find the exit to the temple. I have found the exit and now NOTHING is happening. I can't get down below, i have gone back to the city and wited, nothing happens. I am at a complete stump as to what I am supposed to do because there is no message or anything as to what happens next. i have tried to set the console command to set stage to 100, 110 and further but again nothing happens. any help would be appreciated

 

[Delzaron]

On 10/31/2023 at 11:12 PM, Aki K said:

I was able to progress a lot further this time but found more glitches.

 

The quest "inquiry: Shadows below" something or other completely breaks at stage 130. I had to use console commands twice to get to stage 140 and then later to stage 190 when stage 180 also broke.

- In addition, when I am given the objective to enter the house of the guy near the end of this quest, the quest marker instead takes me to "olga's house" and if I enter her house the quest doesn't update. It just moves the quest marker to an inaccessible location, so i do not know where to go and am stuck.

 

The dawnstar quest again let me start the solitude investigation. I tried to avoid it but when i got to the guy Norri who you play the game with, it let me use him to do the solitude quest as well and I could not play the game with him until I progressed the solitude part at least a little.

 

 

Good news:

- The cuffs came off this time so maybe something just went wrong with that specific file.

- The bedroom glitch in dawnstar did not happen again.

- I was able to get much farther.

 

 

Now that I have gotten decently far, this is a very fun mod. I very much like the story so far.

 

EDIT: Updates

- Managed to get through the shadows quest. But I think whatever the next quest was didn't properly start. The ceremony one. I was able to force start it, but it stopped at stage 70.

- After forcing myself through I eventually was able to get on the boat and go back to Solitude but there was no way to retrieve my gear.

 

shadow below : it's because of the scene. If the actors are not all here, the scene can't start.

Gwenaelle was a source of problems, it's why I teleport her a stage before.

180->190 is scripted, it should work.

 

Don't trust the quest marker, it's because the ruin is connected to different houses in Insmouth, olga's included. So, you can reach the Light keeper house by passing to Olga's... but I also blocked the passage with some planks.

You need to find the Light Keeper house, it's the only passage unlocked. His name is Adritus Hosiand.

 

About dawnstar quest staring solitude one : which stage is involved ?

I'll try a run in that way...

 

I know, the aFTD2_inqmouth_zend2 son't start propertly. I'll try to fix it.

 

For now, yes. I don't implemented yet the end of chapter 3, when you meet again Fulvius, get back your outfit, and debrief.

 

I also did't implemented yet the madness framework, some rep quests in Insmouth, and the bad end.

 

 

 

On 11/5/2023 at 5:47 PM, Ash7141 said:

Hello, loving the mod so far I just have a couple of questions. Susana seems to be stuck in the wall in her home any way for me to fix this? Also when doing the inquiries on insmouth once I've completed one I don't get prompted to investigate the other after. Is this because the next part isn't released or is it another error on my part?

 

Stucked in the wall ? I see... it's because the location is navmeshed... and I store a lurker here.

 

Go to sleep when you made the two tasks.

 

On 11/5/2023 at 6:27 PM, killer905 said:

After completing your first task in Insmouth, you should go to sleep in Susanna's bed. After using the bed, strange sounds should appear and a momit should appear with a second task to complete in this city. Currently, there are 4 quests available in this city.
As for Susanna in the wall, try to move her to you using the command.

 

Indeed, go to sleep.

Maybe I'll add a button on a wall to teleport Susana...

 

20 hours ago, davidxs said:

I am on the part of the mod where you have to into the light house and find the exit to the temple. I have found the exit and now NOTHING is happening. I can't get down below, i have gone back to the city and wited, nothing happens. I am at a complete stump as to what I am supposed to do because there is no message or anything as to what happens next. i have tried to set the console command to set stage to 100, 110 and further but again nothing happens. any help would be appreciated

 

The quest zend2 son't start, I know. It's a problem to fix.

Setstage it for now.

 

By the way, how I can make functionnal merchants ? None of the merchants I made wants to work !

Also, adding a criminal system would be nice... to avoid player steal everything he wants.

[killer905]

8 hours ago, Delzaron said:

By the way, how I can make functionnal merchants ? None of the merchants I made wants to work !

Also, adding a criminal system would be nice... to avoid player steal everything he wants.

Huh? From what I've seen the merchants are working and have goods to sell unless you mean selling different items from the typical merchants.

 

Maybe this help.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Delzaron]

None of the merchants in my playthough works... I only get a empty inventory.

 

By the way, no job research today, I'll work on the mod for the day.

So :

- maybe one of two more inquiry quest... any idea ?

- I'll develop the merchant rep quest (I already made one), and maybe some special missions for prostitute.

- Any idea to make a crime system ?

 

I'll also add some houses and people in Insmouth... try to make it more alive (he harbot, it's ok, the city... well, it's mostly desert).

 

[Balgin]

You might want to note that I can talk to everyone in Whiterun and Windhelm about the Solitude investigation (Sesia Aurina).

[Delzaron]

5 hours ago, Balgin said:

You might want to note that I can talk to everyone in Whiterun and Windhelm about the Solitude investigation (Sesia Aurina).

 

yep. I found the problem : it's because the townsolitude condition is missing in that dialogue (it's the stage 0 of the solitude quest).

 

edit : insmouth is populated by nearby 80 npcs... generic npcs like slaves or merchants included.

It's more than solitude, but the village seems desert...

 

edit : I want to design a special sign for the brothel, But I lost all the ressources of NMM when my save disk collapsed.

I have paint.net, but I don't masterize it at all.

Here's the idea (the brothel name is the "red silk")

 

RedSilk.dds

Edited November 8, 2023 by Delzaron

[killer905]

8 hours ago, Delzaron said:

None of the merchants in my playthough works... I only get a empty inventory.

 

By the way, no job research today, I'll work on the mod for the day.

So :

- maybe one of two more inquiry quest... any idea ?

- I'll develop the merchant rep quest (I already made one), and maybe some special missions for prostitute.

- Any idea to make a crime system ?

 

I'll also add some houses and people in Insmouth... try to make it more alive (he harbot, it's ok, the city... well, it's mostly desert).

 

Apart from this justice system already in Skyrim, I can't think of anything else. You would probably have to give Insmouth a justice system with a prison for naughty citizens.

Quests?
At the moment I can only think of a quest for the merchant in the Auction House.

[Delzaron]

10 hours ago, killer905 said:

Apart from this justice system already in Skyrim, I can't think of anything else. You would probably have to give Insmouth a justice system with a prison for naughty citizens.

Quests?
At the moment I can only think of a quest for the merchant in the Auction House.

 

I think there is a way to use the town insmouth faction as base for a crime system.

As always, my merchants don't work... i think, if somebody wants to help me on that, to make an update, and let him work on the mod merchants.

 

Yes, adding a prison. There is room for that in the fort.

 

I made a small house as guild, with Jean Romero as quest giver for merchant job, and 3 jobs available for now :

- bring a crate of wine to the brothel.

- kill some spiders for the hall of dead.

- help the local khajiit in his business.

These quests are very simple.

 

planned : buy a slave for a client (there is a slaves market in insmouth, and it's an opportunity to visit the slaver's ship).

planned : a quest about bying and selling some stuff, and make profit (it's will be based on plyer speech skill level).

 

for prostitute, I plan something as alternative to brothel job.

- delivery mission : alone or whith a colleague, visit a client or several clients (for example, the sailors, a merchant in the hostel... and the slaver's ship)

 

The tasks you can get is based on trust level : the higher trust you have, the better job you can get.

 

 

[killer905]

6 hours ago, Delzaron said:

 

I think there is a way to use the town insmouth faction as base for a crime system.

As always, my merchants don't work... i think, if somebody wants to help me on that, to make an update, and let him work on the mod merchants.

 

Yes, adding a prison. There is room for that in the fort.

 

I made a small house as guild, with Jean Romero as quest giver for merchant job, and 3 jobs available for now :

- bring a crate of wine to the brothel.

- kill some spiders for the hall of dead.

- help the local khajiit in his business.

These quests are very simple.

 

planned : buy a slave for a client (there is a slaves market in insmouth, and it's an opportunity to visit the slaver's ship).

planned : a quest about bying and selling some stuff, and make profit (it's will be based on plyer speech skill level).

 

for prostitute, I plan something as alternative to brothel job.

- delivery mission : alone or whith a colleague, visit a client or several clients (for example, the sailors, a merchant in the hostel... and the slaver's ship)

 

The tasks you can get is based on trust level : the higher trust you have, the better job you can get.

 

 

Interesting ideas, but "kill some spiders for the hall of dead" doesn't suit the merchant. Unless you can use this quest to lose trust? That is, you undertake the quest, and complete it, and the taskmaster job that he has not yet seen a merchant who has undertaken such a quest and without injury and without armour (remember the merchant does not use normal armour) with a smile on his face.

 

 

I would add here:
"The guard has destroyed his sword but cannot leave his post, so he sends us to the barracks or the blacksmith for a new sword".

[Delzaron]

6 hours ago, killer905 said:

Interesting ideas, but "kill some spiders for the hall of dead" doesn't suit the merchant. Unless you can use this quest to lose trust? That is, you undertake the quest, and complete it, and the taskmaster job that he has not yet seen a merchant who has undertaken such a quest and without injury and without armour (remember the merchant does not use normal armour) with a smile on his face.

 

 

I would add here:
"The guard has destroyed his sword but cannot leave his post, so he sends us to the barracks or the blacksmith for a new sword".

I set the spider task as a "chore" like bringing a crate of wine to the brothel. For the slaver, I just write these nasty creatures are coming regularly, and the guards doesn't want to spent their time killing it.

These tasks are available by default.

 

The others, like skooma and slaver, need a high trust.

 

Good idea, the guard with his sword. I'll add that. Surely the shortest quest ever made ! (buy sword spend money, give sword, get money)

Edit : I made the 5 rep quests for the merchant. Next, the 3 rep delivery quests for the prostitute.

 

You see, these quests are also uselful to make the player visit the village.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Delzaron

[killer905]

4 hours ago, Delzaron said:

I set the spider task as a "chore" like bringing a crate of wine to the brothel. For the slaver, I just write these nasty creatures are coming regularly, and the guards doesn't want to spent their time killing it.

These tasks are available by default.

 

The others, like skooma and slaver, need a high trust.

 

Good idea, the guard with his sword. I'll add that.

 

You see, these quests are also uselful to make the player visit the village.

I see.

 

Now I had an idea that depending on what we give to the guard (Iron sword = loss of trust or Steel sword = gain of trust), the reason may be that no one wants to have a worse weapon than the one they currently had.

[Delzaron]

Ok, I made the update. You'll be able to take back your gear (begin of aftd2_zend), I extended a lot the content, chapter 2 is mostly done (just need a rep quest for prostitute, write aftd2_zend, and write the ftd2 bad end).

 

So, about chapter 3 :

- the hallucinated mountain. You will need to choose two starts : save the riekligns and work with them and Nuai, or work under the supervision of the college.

- the dreams : intricated with the other chapter3 quest lines, deal with Hakl'luru.

- dawnstar : inquoiry about Norren, infitlrate that little and newborn cult of Dagon (necessary to perform the oaths).

- solitude : I need your help to find a good scenario, involving pirates and masonery...

[Balgin]

16 minutes ago, Delzaron said:

- solitude : I need your help to find a good scenario, involving pirates and masonery...

Where is the stone coming from?

 

1: Are the pirates stealing stone from somewhere and bringing it to Solitude? This could be special magical stone from deep beneath the sea provided by the deep ones and the pirates are just their human agents bringing this corrupted stone that sings softly to people, tempts them, and gives them dreams? Masons could complain about the odd dreams they get while working on some new project. The player could investigate and maybe even have some strange dreams of their own before finally learning where this dream's coming from. And, because this is From The Deeps, she might need to shag some stonemasons or give them some blowjobs to get them to talk.

 

2: Are the pirates stealing normal stone from Solitude and taking it away so the cult can build something secret somewhere? Perhaps the cult needs stone from a particular location or maybe they've got all the stone they need but they're abducting stonemasons. Maybe some fancy rich woman in Solitude (like Vittoria Vicci) wants to get the front of her home redecorated to match the neighbours (or to stand out more and be better) but the only mason capable of such sculpting has been stolen away by the cult to work on their new temple.

 

3: It could be that the masons are cultists with lots of secret rituals and quiet goings on. People wonder why they always seems to be so wealthy. The masons are cultists of the deep ones and some among them are wreckers who disperse their ill gotten gains throughout the group of humble craftsmen. In this scenario the player is searching for an item that should have been arriving on a ship. The wreckers sunk the ship and now they have the object but, searching for the object reveals that the stonemasons themselves are up to no good with their forbidden worship and perverted rituals.

 

There's probably loads of other ideas as well but there's three to get you thinking. If you don't end up using any of these then maybe one of these will inspire some ideas that do lead to the final version. Either way I hope I've helped.

[neckmop]

On 11/9/2023 at 7:45 PM, Delzaron said:

As always, my merchants don't work... i think, if somebody wants to help me on that, to make an update, and let him work on the mod merchants.

 

Merchants require several things:

1: a chest form flagged as respawning containing the items you want, including their vendor gold, with an instance of that chest enabled somewhere in the world

2: a faction with vendor flagged in the vendor tab, with conditions set when you want the vendor active (easiest is start hour 0 end hour 24, location "near self"), a formlist containing items you want the vendor to be able to buy/sell (or flag it not sell/buy to sell everything BUT the items in that formlist) and merchant container set to point at the chest you placed earlier

3: the npc in question needs to have the faction from 2 and a dialogue that triggers the trade window, either by adding one of the generic vanilla vendor dialogue factions of a matching type/voicetype (annoying, since you have to match it perfectly. this is the step that most people get stuck on I've notice) or by adding a new top-level "I want to buy something" dialogue topic with this fragment attached:

Quote

akSpeaker.ShowBarterMenu()

 

[killer905]

As a merchant

 

1) Sesia Aurina quest - Note in warehouse office not progress quest.

2) Cnaeus Statius have 2 dialogue.

Spoiler

 

3) We can get "fun" with Xader not being in his cabin.

4) Nuai sends to yourself "SPeak with Nuai. She is naughty one"

5) This rekling block bridge so rekling who lead us to Chief  block on him.

Spoiler

 

6) A necklace lying on the ground and a mace.

Spoiler

 

7) If we find a wine quest stage remain uncheck and Ureamu Sarandes not have dialogue to give her a delivery.

Spoiler

 

8 ) Stealing a key from Snarld not progress quest.

9) Second time and later too. We still say "i;am a merchat" he already know this we are a merchant.

10) Sword quest lead to Rolf and he not have dialogue. I buy iron and steal sword also not prohress quest.

11) I find zadok 2 times in the Inn

12) Niyya atack Lunetta

13) Flying something...

Spoiler

 

14) Gap in the lighthouse

Spoiler

 

15) Bed under table in guards castle

Spoiler

 

16) After selecting the dialogue with Artharak "I know what you are, and I'll not let you continue your shady busineses." Teleport PC inside a wall

Spoiler

 

17) Rosalie not follow Lurker

18) Dialogue giving sacrifice ( I think this dialogue canl;t be here at this point)

Spoiler

 

19) After speaking with Susanna checkbox ramain uncheck

Spoiler

 

[Delzaron]

15 hours ago, Balgin said:

Where is the stone coming from?

 

1: Are the pirates stealing stone from somewhere and bringing it to Solitude? This could be special magical stone from deep beneath the sea provided by the deep ones and the pirates are just their human agents bringing this corrupted stone that sings softly to people, tempts them, and gives them dreams? Masons could complain about the odd dreams they get while working on some new project. The player could investigate and maybe even have some strange dreams of their own before finally learning where this dream's coming from. And, because this is From The Deeps, she might need to shag some stonemasons or give them some blowjobs to get them to talk.

 

2: Are the pirates stealing normal stone from Solitude and taking it away so the cult can build something secret somewhere? Perhaps the cult needs stone from a particular location or maybe they've got all the stone they need but they're abducting stonemasons. Maybe some fancy rich woman in Solitude (like Vittoria Vicci) wants to get the front of her home redecorated to match the neighbours (or to stand out more and be better) but the only mason capable of such sculpting has been stolen away by the cult to work on their new temple.

 

3: It could be that the masons are cultists with lots of secret rituals and quiet goings on. People wonder why they always seems to be so wealthy. The masons are cultists of the deep ones and some among them are wreckers who disperse their ill gotten gains throughout the group of humble craftsmen. In this scenario the player is searching for an item that should have been arriving on a ship. The wreckers sunk the ship and now they have the object but, searching for the object reveals that the stonemasons themselves are up to no good with their forbidden worship and perverted rituals.

 

There's probably loads of other ideas as well but there's three to get you thinking. If you don't end up using any of these then maybe one of these will inspire some ideas that do lead to the final version. Either way I hope I've helped.

 

No, masonery... free masonery !

 

Plot with Nuai will uncover the past about Dagon cult.

Plot at dawnstar will uncover the cult rituals and the role of the priestesses.

Plot with dreams will make the player progress in the cult path.

Plot in Solitude... well... I don't know....

 

[Balgin]

26 minutes ago, Delzaron said:

 

No, masonery... free masonery !

 

Plot in Solitude... well... I don't know....

 

That's basically my third plot then :p. Have the guild of masons be a bunch of secret cultists (free masons) who are wreckers and in league with the cult.

[Lilzt3hcat]

@Delzaron Just did a playthrough of things as they are, I have played the original multiple times and while the old one is fun this is like night and day better, you've really improved your quest building - I really enjoyed the increased amount of player choice and look forward to the rest of this.