unforgiving devices Unforgiving Skyrim LE/SE

[kurotatsu]

7 hours ago, housewalker123 said:

how cna i tweak it so traps only apply one or two bondage items instead of putting me in full heavy bondage

 

I assume you're talking about dart traps - the only way is to edit and compile appropriate script, named UD_TrapManifest_ME_Script. It's short and well-commented.

[ALLofthem]

Is there a reason for the the OnMagicEffectApply() function in US_Urag_Script to still exist?

 

I noticed that the only code in there that would actually do anything is commented out, and that particular function causes some issues on my side when I accept Urag's research offer and eat the black goo (potentially due to a bad interaction with other mods). After doing that, I get repeated Papyrus stack dumps as below:

 

[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] Event: US_Urag_Script.OnMagicEffectApply, Frequency: 3120
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] ###############Stack Dump Summary End##################
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] Dumping stack 3179925:
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	Frame count: 0 (Page count: 0)
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	State: Waiting on other stack for call (Freeze state: Freezing)
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	Type: Normal
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	Return register: None
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	Has stack callback: No
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 	Stack trace:
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 		[alias Urag on quest US_UragGRQ (5917BCBD)].US_Urag_Script.OnMagicEffectApply() - (requested call)
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 			[param 0]: [Actor < (00000014)>]
[09/18/2025 - 11:13:52AM] 			[param 1]: [MagicEffect < (30B8845C)>]

 

I'm not sure why the function gets triggered at such a high rate, but the fact that it calls Game.GetPlayer() at the frequency it does brings the Papyrus VM to its knees. The magic effects listed in the all the stack traces are from Adamant, so I'm guessing that's the mod that's interacting badly with this function.

[kurotatsu]

This is a good catch, that code is remains from experiments to handle being hit by the shout.

Safe to comment out all the OnMagicEffectApply event handler and recompile. Try to do that and see if it goes away?

 

My guess for that weird behavior - something spams with some spell, maybe some cloak spell with too much repetition. This mod does nothing like this.

[ALLofthem]

I'll give that a shot once I can get Papyrus script compilation working on my side, I think I'm just missing dependency source files.

I'm pretty sure at this point though that Adamant is indeed doing something with applying magic effects too frequently, as there's a few comments in its discussions that mention issues with vanilla scripts that use OnMagicEffectApply.

[Zaflis]

Just a thought, if there was slight customization possible for the dragon shout equipping full abadon set? It's actually very common thing those overlord level or around that draugr shout. Or if it could give some lesser set (full or partial) sometimes? Would be nice if it was same with poison traps, but i know that behavior is from UD side.

 

But this might be one of the reasons i don't like this mod much in bigger playthrough because those devices are really long and tough to get out of, and so frequent to get equipped. Or maybe a slider for % chance of it to equip anything?

Edited October 15, 2025 by Zaflis

[Vollkornstulle]

13 minutes ago, Zaflis said:

Just a thought, if there was slight customization possible for the dragon shout equipping full abadon set? It's actually very common thing those overlord level or around that draugr shout. Or if it could give some lesser set (full or partial) sometimes? Would be nice if it was same with poison traps, but i know that behavior is from UD side.

 

But this might be one of the reasons i don't like this mod much in bigger playthrough because those devices are really long and tough to get out of, and so frequent to get equipped. Or maybe a slider for % chance of it to equip anything?

There are ways to defend against them. Wards block them completely. Be careful though, because they are directional so you have to aim at the draugr whos shout you are trying to block.

If you don´t like ward spells because you want a shield or don't have the magicka, you can always get the artifact Spellbreaker. A shield that makes wards.

[belegost]

1 hour ago, Vollkornstulle said:

There are ways to defend against them. Wards block them completely. Be careful though, because they are directional so you have to aim at the draugr whos shout you are trying to block.

If you don´t like ward spells because you want a shield or don't have the magicka, you can always get the artifact Spellbreaker. A shield that makes wards.

 

Good luck trying to guard against those in Skuldafn. Especially with mods like Skuldafn Better Defended and Hand Placed Enemies. You get swarmed with about 3 dozen Overlords, and they all have the shout.

Even Odin's wards and ZIM's version of Spellbreaker, both of which are considerably more powerful than their vanilla versions, can't handle that. I can't imagine how nightmarish this place must be with the crap that are vanilla wards, which I never used before Odin.

[kurotatsu]

Please don't forget that the shout is now distributed by SPID. So you can edit that file with notepad and set percentages as you like!

 

For example you can comment out Overlords getting top level with 100% probability, leaving only random ones in.

To comment line out - insert semicolon in front of it (;) 

Or change 100 to percentage you prefer.

Edited October 15, 2025 by kurotatsu

[Woskiy]

Papyrus Tweaks 4.1.1  set bSpeedUpNativeCalls = true   iMaxOpsPerFrame = 1500,   script run is fast ,  UN+DeviousTraining  performance  is ok. XD

Edited November 15, 2025 by Woskiy

[pangxie250]

Why does my draugr only emit a normal shout?Do I need to complete the main quest first?

[kurotatsu]

It depends of your level. Shouting draugrs can be met at level 20+, exceptions are dungeon bosses, those can shout even at level 1 of player. However even if draugr has the shout they might opt to use other ones.

[MrBig]

with the switch to SE for future updates does that mean you have ideas planned for expansion or is it more for bug fixes etc?
Had a little idea for possible new stuff, to make Skyrim a little more unforgiving but I don't know how easy or hard making stuff is so might very well be outside the scope of what you want from ideas

 

Abadon Living Latex/Abadon Slime (same thing, just flavour names although could be different things)

 

A new custom enemy/NPC (just humanoid equipped with full latex suit/gloves/hood to look as doll like as possible) that can randomly spawn either in the wild or in same way as thugs/assassins that target you. 
When it does spawn it can have multiple versions; 

 

it can just be hostile, attacking with Abadon shout or with 'perfect' Abadon weapons that will always bind you (or at least high chance)

 

it can be 'friendly' and initiate conversation with you like hired thugs and equip you with any of the things you've unlocked with Urag including extreme stuff like execution potion. It can reward you with a large amount of things like gold/abadon gems/ingots etc to compensate player but the main point of it is that the player doesn't have a choice, you WILL be getting bound.

 

If you are bound already when you come across a living latex then they would have some fun with you, using you and could potentially add extra gear depending on how you are bound already.

 

and finally it can 'encase' you, absorbing you into it, turning you into a doll and equipping itself to you as a new Living Latex outfit, with some new living latex tentacle plugs that fill your holes and latex tentacle gag filling your mouth (just custom plugs with flavour text/effects mostly, not expecting new models or anything to that extreme)
like the execution set, this would be extremely hard to remove and would be regularly morphing its shape, equiping various latex restraints to bind you tightly. a living latex sample would also be something you can research or show to urag to test too 

Edited December 7, 2025 by MrBig

[kurotatsu]

So this is kind of Devious Striker, but Unforgiving type? Love the idea, written it down! However when and if it will be implemented - that's another story...

[MrBig]

a bit yeah.
was thinking a bit rarer than strikers since it would be much more punishing but also, iirc, strikers can wear all devices while this is latex focused.

I love unforgiving skyrim but currently everything is at the players control; drinking the potions, doing stuff for Urag etc. Skyrim could be a little more unforgiving if something could target the player and make use of all the fun toys available.

of course I know not everyone would like not having the choice so I imagine would need to something you can turn off

and thematically the whole goo concept just very much lends itself to a living latex potential, both for an enemy (a large concentration of goo gaining some sentients) and as a punishing set. getting covered in goo and turned into a rubber doll just fits 🤭

[MrBig]

For some reason I can't get the abadon shout to work on SE.
I have SPID, I changed all the value's to 100%, stood there for a few minutes and let myself get hit multiple times with shouts but no matter what I try abadon shouts just don't trigger.

[kurotatsu]

1 hour ago, MrBig said:

For some reason I can't get the abadon shout to work on SE.
I have SPID, I changed all the value's to 100%, stood there for a few minutes and let myself get hit multiple times with shouts but no matter what I try abadon shouts just don't trigger.

 

Please note it's highly random and depends on your level. You have to have level 20+ by default for draugr to start getting those. Also you want to change cells after changing SPID file, because those enemies which were already processed probably wouldn't be processed again. In some locations draugr are fixed to low levels, like in the first barrow where you are getting Dragonstone.

[MrBig]

i'm level 50+ and travelled to different dungeons to try, but its all just regular shouts. tried spawning in numerous overlords/deathlords too. 
unforgiving skyrim itself is working. completed all the quests/research etc, just shouts that don't seem to be. 

 

Edit:

I don't understand this sort of stuff but trying to look at files related to SPID and I found this that the shout says fail. guessing thats important but as I said beyond my understanding

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2025 by MrBig
additional info

[belegost]

2 hours ago, MrBig said:

i'm level 50+ and travelled to different dungeons to try, but its all just regular shouts. tried spawning in numerous overlords/deathlords too. 
unforgiving skyrim itself is working. completed all the quests/research etc, just shouts that don't seem to be. 

 

Edit:

I don't understand this sort of stuff but trying to look at files related to SPID and I found this that the shout says fail. guessing thats important but as I said beyond my understanding

 

 

 

You don't have powerofthree's Tweaks installed. Says right there, line 4, black on white. It's a hard requirement, SPID will not work without it.

Edited December 20, 2025 by belegost

[MrBig]

29 minutes ago, belegost said:

You don't have powerofthree's Tweaks installed. Says right there, line 4, black on white. It's a hard requirement, SPID will not work without it.

 

[belegost]

51 minutes ago, MrBig said:

 

The log you posted clearly says otherwise.

Edited December 20, 2025 by belegost

[Vollkornstulle]

4 hours ago, MrBig said:

 

Are you running the newest version? Is it maybe partially or completely overwritten by another mod? Make sure both of those things are not happening.

[MrBig]

On 12/20/2025 at 5:10 AM, Vollkornstulle said:

Are you running the newest version? Is it maybe partially or completely overwritten by another mod? Make sure both of those things are not happening.

 

Those are some helpful ideas to look at, thank you. 
I will look into it.
seeing as its clearly not an unforgiving skyrim issue and its most likely SPID and associated files related I'll stop here so as not to clutter the US thread anymore.

 

Thank you for the help and the place to focus on

 

 

Edit: All fixed, your suggestion about newest version was correct just it wasn't for powerofthree it was for SPID itself, somehow I downloaded an old version, installed newest and shout works. Thanks again for the help Vollkornstulle 👍

Edited December 21, 2025 by MrBig

[itami_no_hana]

I'm trying to make a bashed patch with Wrye Bash but it gives me an error related to UnforgivingSkyrim.esp

 

Spoiler

mod_files.py  217 load_plugin: Error in UnforgivingSkyrim.esp
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bash\mod_files.py", line 195, in load_plugin
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 652, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 251, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 172, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 47, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 262, in _load_rec_group
  File "bash\brec\record_groups.py", line 78, in _group_element
  File "bash\brec\record_structs.py", line 518, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_structs.py", line 324, in __init__
  File "bash\brec\record_structs.py", line 563, in loadData
bash.exception.ModError: UnforgivingSkyrim.esp: Unexpected subrecord: EXPL.VMAD

 

Can you tell what is wrong? Should I uncheck UnforgivingSkyrim.esp in MO2 before making bashed patch?

[kurotatsu]

2 hours ago, itami_no_hana said:

I'm trying to make a bashed patch with Wrye Bash but it gives me an error related to UnforgivingSkyrim.esp

 

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bash.exception.ModError: UnforgivingSkyrim.esp: Unexpected subrecord: EXPL.VMAD

 

Can you tell what is wrong? Should I uncheck UnforgivingSkyrim.esp in MO2 before making bashed patch?

 

Looks like somehow Bash is not happy with Expl having scripts? This is all I can deduce from this log.

Can you exclude US esp from being processed by Bash?

[Nalessa]

Really liking all the unforgiving mods so far, especially Urag's quests, get gold and goo from escaping his tests, use that to put in the chest, makes you want to engage with the bondage devices more instead of just one and done.

 

Only suggestion I could make is make the log give a little bit more info.

 

Right now, it keeps saying need more time and gold, but I keep waiting and putting more gold in the chest (25.000 gold so far )

 

Would be neat of the log would say "I need a lot of time and a lot of gold to progress", and it turns to "I only need a little bit more time and some gold now to complete", to kind of give you a vague idea of how long or how much gold you still need to add.