MAKE A NEW RULE

[t.ara]

hahahahaha.....

???

[Grey Cloud]

3 hours ago, Hakufu1021 said:

I fundamentally disagree with your first point.

That's because you are calling existing users 'new' users.

[Mister X]

This is easily one of the dumbest ideas you've stolen from Nexus ^^

 

Why? As a (admittedly small) mod author, I still see it the way that it's a privilege that I provide you the mods I've created. It's not a duty of mine you can demand. And if I decide that the majority of the community doesn't earn this privilege anymore: hell, it's my mod, I want to be able to delete it.

Why modding then? Well, I create mods for things that I want to see in the game, so it was and is mainly for myself. It's a hobby. I'm glad if others like and use my creations, but I don't depend on their gratitude.

 

Yes, I have uploaded mods to the Nexus, too, even after their introduction to that rule. Why? Because those mods were absolute no-brainers, that I don't really support and anyone could have created in less than 5 minutes. In short: I don't care about them!

But I do care about mods were I've put in time and effort, and those mods you won't find on the Nexus (well, maybe a second reason is the prudeness over there ^^).

 

I hope that opens your eyes for the other than the receiving side.

 

Oh, and to be honest: to me personally, the thread title in capital letters and your general phrasing shows a bit too much entitlement for somebody who provided so little to this community from which he demands this much.

Edited April 1, 2023 by Mister X

[LongDukDong]

Now you quoted me, stating that the creator is not relinquishing any rights other than the ability to delete a mod.  The very fact that they no longer can control distribution of the mod, deletion or otherwise, is in violation of their control and ownership.  I again refer to laws of copyright regarding this, for which I have studied.

 

You suggest that if one disagrees with such rules, they should not upload their mods.  For this, many including myself have stated that this would be a detriment to the forum as it would dissuade anyone from contributing.  Why would anyone wish to post content if... as an example... the forum itself changes its policies which may monetize the content without compensating the author or seek to abridge the rights of its members. This rule you propose itself diminishes a modder's rights. And I already noted how I had encountered a forum that wished to gain funds from other people's works without consideration.

 

Now I agree that it is disheartening that a mod you want or need may no longer exist or had been blocked somehow.  And I agree, this is a severe problem. If Silverlock was removed or went down (the site that hosts the 'Script Enhancers' for Bethesda mods), there is little you can do. And if the terms of their board stated no off-site posting, that would literally be the end of it. LoversLab recognizes legal ownership, and in the past had removed content that violated the original owner's rights.  Legal ownership has always been considered, and will not change.

 

As towards the complaint that the modders have too much power, allow me to quote from the very first rule in the RULES thread:

 

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The biggest and most important thing of this community, is that the modders come first. They are the ones who make this community worth coming to, they are the ones enabling you to even play these mods.  Meaning if you don't like the way a mod is going, don't be a jerk about it, they can take the mod in whatever direction they want. Don't like it? Then make your own release and put the work in yourself. Find a bug or issue that needs to be fixed? Don't be a jerk about it and raise your concerns and feedback in a constructive manner.

Your argument literally flies in the face of the very first rule of this site.

 

So mod authors' rights, whether here or in other boards, comes first.  If an author stated in another board that their content is not to be posted elsewhere, the staff here notes the author's legal rights and will remove it. And if a modder exercises their control over their rights of distribution, they legally may.

Edited April 1, 2023 by LongDukDong

[chooo]

This thread needs to die. This will never happen here, even the mention of it could dissuade people from sharing their work. The mod author is allowed to decide the fate of their own work which they offer to the community for free.

[kinghelseth]

Oh man, I understand the spirit of the origin of OP's sentiments, but as everyone has said, a creator should have the right to remove any content from any site. The last thing this place needs is some authoritarian Nexus-esque rule where you, as the content creator, has to relinquish some rights to your own work.

 

Believe me, as a simple end-user, I understand the frustration behind what you are saying, but it just isn't feasible.

[Guest]

More than a rule it should be an option, the only thing that should be imposed on a mod creator is that his mod works and doesn't damage your game hahaha

[woodsman30]

On 3/30/2023 at 3:18 AM, Hakufu1021 said:

Site staff seriously need to make a new rule for this forum. The rule needs to be as follows, "any mods that are voluntarily uploaded to this forum, WILL remain on this forum, no matter what grievances may occur. Creator shall assume ALL ownership otherwise."

No chance

Rule 1

"The biggest and most important thing of this community, is that the modders come first. They are the ones who make this community worth coming to, they are the ones enabling you to even play these mods.  Meaning if you don't like the way a mod is going, don't be a jerk about it, they can take the mod in whatever direction they want. Don't like it? Then make your own release and put the work in yourself. Find a bug or issue that needs to be fixed? Don't be a jerk about it and raise your concerns and feedback in a constructive manner".

 

This is from Ashal site owner.

 

This ends the conversation