Grand Lewd Modder Program/App/Thing? (For LoversLab)

[TRX_Trixter]

57 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

My "Problem" with this topic and some of your posts is that Its all about Money.

Again, modding is something that should be done out of passion. Lets use @t.ara as an example. Zap has been an absolute cornerstone of Adult modding for ages. And now Look at her post above to see whats her stance on monetization...

And this is true for most of us. Users who think that money should be the primary incentive when doing this, are simply a negative influence on the overall community.
If all you can think about Is how to commercialize modding, you probably should just stop and go for a more lucrative conventional occupation.
Making some bucks as a side effect is all fine and dandy, but Making it the driving factor is poison for any creative process.

 

XDDD

 

Ok. On examples. As i mentioned before: Nexus last month Skyrim donations in summ 1 400 000$ Do you understand whats mean "donation" on Nexus? Now lets imagine simple thing:

 

You came on some professional developer forum and say "Hey, people! I have 1400 000$ per month budget. What i want for it? For example hi class skyrim bodies with good skeleton, 4k photorealistic textures, morphs, horns, tails,  hooves, physics and great professionally redon animations for all"

 

I think to end of the next year you will have in your Skyrim something really incredible. And funniest thing - this will be free for all. Why? Donations.

 

Second situation:

 

You came on some professional developer forum and say "Hey, people! I want  hi class skyrim bodies with good skeleton, 4k photorealistic textures, morphs, horns, tails,  hooves, physics and great professionally redon animations for all. But please do it for free."

 

Result? I think you will hear something like "get the f..ck out here, idiot..."

 

10 years of Skyrim modding. 10 years. You dont have even normal quality dick mesh with proper erection animation. Fantastic. May be you understand this some day. May be not...

 

Do you realise how many free for all mods existing just because of donations? Beleave me a lot of.

 

Last one thing (useless discussion at all as i see): there are a lot of people who make request for different mods on Patreon. Comissions. They pay their money for it. And after that these people publish these mods on LL and Nexus as free for all. Some other peolple bying different content and port it to Skyrim as free for all mods.

 

How do you think this site existing for wha? For air or for money? Evil Ashal? It must be done for free? You cant even imagine how much costs all these your "for free" in real.

 

Ah... Yes i understand that is useles talking with you. I tell you all what i want. Lets finish this.

 

P.S.

 

Dont listen to me, people. Money = evil. I'm just EA agent. Hunting for microtransactions here.

Edited December 10, 2022 by TRX_Trixter

[Mr. Otaku]

18 hours ago, Screws said:

1) I suppose so.. but just because I spend money on a Hershey's bar or pay some guy from Fiverr to make me a mod, doesn't mean I'm subscribed to either of those things.

 

Those would be one time payments for a one time thing, like if i pay a guy on fiverr to make a guitar solo over my drumloop then that's the whole transaction, i don't think that's comparable to supporting an ongoing project like kickstarter or just mod commisions in general.

 

18 hours ago, Screws said:

2) Oh yeah there are always tons of requests, but not many modders interested in making mods for some games. This adds a monetary incentive. Capitalism at its finest. If no one wants to do something for free, put money on the table and someone will be willing to do it lol. For Example, there has been a Sex mod Discord for Risk of Rain 2 for about a year now... Nothing has happened with it. Project is dead in the water. Why? No Programmer/Coder has shown up to create the framework. The main difference is adding a financial incentive to potentially coax a modder into making a project they wouldn't make for free, because now they're getting paid for it.

 

You're not wrong on this, but i think if someone was interested in making adult mods for that game they would've found their way to do it anyway. They can artificially be motivated through money but there are a million other projects that also have that incentive so interest is still the primary driving force. What game the mods are being requested for makes a huge difference, Skyrim for example has massive reach so it draws a lot of modders compared to Risk Of Rain 2, monetary incentive can't get around that.

 

18 hours ago, Screws said:

3) I don't think you understand the bounty system most corporations use whenever there are flaws in their security systems. Hell there are White Hat Hackers that take on these bounties and expose critical flaws within security systems and get paid bounties for discovering these flaws and reporting them to the company. Also there is a difference. If I want to find a modder for skyrim and commission them via patreon to make a mod for me, that's easy to find. However, what about finding a modder that would mod Dungeons 3, Risk of Rain 1 or 2, Going Medieval, Evil Genius, Neverwinter Nights (The original old game), Master of Orion 2. (Not saying I'd want them all to necessarily be lewdly modded) however, you're not really going to find anyone that can/will mod these games via patreon. This idea brings both the people that would pay to have mods made, and willing modders together more easily.

 

Sure but a hacker is probing an existing system to find vulnerabilities and bugs in an existing system while a modder has to create the mod from scratch, you must see how these two aren't comparable 1:1 here. This feeds into my previous point about a game's reach and how that dictates how much interest there is for creating and using mods for them, you can put a lot of money behind a mod request for some obscure game but it's the interest for that game that ultimately motivates anyone who's skilled enough to work on something with more reach, like Skyrim for example.

 

18 hours ago, Screws said:

4) It's more like adding actual wheels to a car that's been driving on its rims lol.

 

I mean, the rims are the wheels, i think you mean tires lmao.

 

18 hours ago, Screws said:

5) All good! I meant maybe someone could design some sort of program to make the idea work, to bring modders and potential customers together. People pay money to modders to get mods, and everyone gets more mods as a whole! Its a win win for all really. Modders get paid, players get good mods, everyone can benefit really! Maybe a bit too idealistic of me though haha!

 Oh, so like a website designed for modders and mod requesters to meet in and transact stuff. Sounds like a novel idea but i don't see how it'll be much different in practice from mod websites that already exists where we have tons of modders and mod users in one place to talk freely in.

 

19 hours ago, Screws said:

6) Unless someone is passionate about it themselves, a modder isn't going to invest their time and effort into making something someone else asks for. Again, that's why I'm basically suggesting a way to put up a monetary incentive that even if a modder isn't passionate about making a mod for a certain game, they can potentially be drawn in by the promise of a good chunk of money for putting in the effort in making a mod. Most of the time requests go out, and the mod never gets made (See the Risk of Rain 2 sex mod example). Prolly repeating myself but anyway, its just if no one wants to do it for free, there is always willing to do something for the right price lol.

 

Feeds into my previous point, monetary incentive only does so much to get someone interested in modding for a game that has no widespread interest for it. The people who can do it would go for something that pays and also falls within their interests.

 

I'll use myself as an example, outside of LL i also make hand drawn NSFW stuff and i'm quite proud of the progress i've made so far, it pays quite nice too (finally). I've been requested to draw stuff that i'm not into (like furry stuff for example) and i turned them down even though i had monetary incentive there because in my head i'm thinking if i'm gonna draw something that i can also make money from then i'll draw something that i also like drawing. You see what i'm getting at? When there's skill involved it's the interest that becomes the driving force.

 

19 hours ago, Screws said:

7) Trust me, I've been there, at least you can easily change your username on here unlike some other places lol.

 

I know i can change it lol but this name has kinda become my identity here (even though i'm not a prominent figure on this site by any means) so i just kinda leave it like that even though it's cringe as fuck.

[Mr. Otaku]

@Pamatronic @TRX_Trixter

 

I hope you guys realize that you're fighting over literally nothing lol. You're both right in different ways, money does gamify the mod scene way too much and brings too much friction in the community (just look at GTA and Assetto Corsa modding scenes) but getting paid for modding isn't inherently a problem if the author wants to turn it into a side gig. These two positions can exist and be correct simultaneously so just take it easy lol.

Edited December 10, 2022 by Mr. Otaku
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[TRX_Trixter]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

@Pamatronic @TRX_Trixter

 

I hope you guys realize that you're fighting over literally nothing lol. You're both right in different ways, money does gamify the mod scene way too much and brings too much friction in the community (just look at GTA and Assetto Corsa modding scenes) but getting paid for modding isn't inherently a problem if the author wants to turn it into a side gig. These two positions can exist be correct simultaneously so just take it easy lol.

Yep. Absolutely agree with you.

 

But when you sleep for 2-3 hours a day, sitting under rocket strikes, making free for all content and then reading shit like this

 

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Have you ever considered applying for a job at EA? I think you might feel right at home there.

Sorry, but you are the type who makes some minor low effort cosmetics and then gets mad if people aren't a fan of micro-transactions. Because that's exactly what you are proposing here.

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Assburn. My fault. Sorry.

[belegost]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

I hope you guys realize that you're fighting over literally nothing

Isn't that 98% of all discussions on the Internet ever since it went mainstream?

In other news: water makes things wet.

Edited December 10, 2022 by belegost

[Mr. Otaku]

9 minutes ago, TRX_Trixter said:

Yep. Absolutely agree with you.

 

But when you sleep for 2-3 hours a day, sitting under rocket strikes, making free for all content and then reading shit like this

 

"

Have you ever considered applying for a job at EA? I think you might feel right at home there.

Sorry, but you are the type who makes some minor low effort cosmetics and then gets mad if people aren't a fan of micro-transactions. Because that's exactly what you are proposing here.

"

 

Assburn. My fault. Sorry.

 

Wait don't tell me, you're in Ukraine? =O

 

Your statue mods are pretty cool btw, you gonna make more?

 

8 minutes ago, belegost said:

Isn't that 98% of all discussions on the Internet ever since it went mainstream?

In other news: water makes things wet.

 

Lmao true, people need to take a few steps back and reset sometimes cause shit gets heated way too quickly.

[Pamatronic]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said:

I hope you guys realize that you're fighting over literally nothing lol.

Absolutely.
Gotta have some fun occasionally though.

[Mr. Otaku]

2 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

Absolutely.
Gotta have some fun occasionally though.

 

Yeah i got you dawg. Side note love your beatup mods, that's some good shit.

[TRX_Trixter]

5 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

 

Wait don't tell me, you're in Ukraine? =O

Yep...

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

Your statue mods are pretty cool btw, you gonna make more?

Thanks, will be.

[Screws]

16 hours ago, t.ara said:

Really a terrible idea which of course is not working in the reality.

All that sponsoring and moneytising is a future-offering death for modding/creating mods.

You will see this. The most of the earlier created stuff is nowadays administered by third party users, with little make make up on stuff of the past. In the badest way the stuff is 1:1 like FNIS and simply the money is rolling into the cash register. This is absolutly PERVERS.

The more I think about that the stuff via FNIS (which is the most part of LL and also NEXUS) is making money and hurting FORES AGB, btw. also the AGB of Creation-Kit is being hurted same way as the use of Creation Kit is meant to be used privatly for own stuff, which can be created but not being moneytised is simply unbelievable.

All of this development will take care that some guys who are impudent enough, will use something like patreon, and sponsor also patreon to get money "for nothing", only the platform-costs-which is like google, facebook, amazon and others ideal to built-up-imperiums which will once buy the whole world-at least there will be one single firm, which is ruling all others...ideal to have thumb-rolling life after some work and see the dollars income. This is the new world of virtual business-and this you want to build up also here ????? As a creator of mods I absolutely will not participate at this (forgive me) shit of internet. As the major creators like ASHAL need to be payed for the servers and the work to keep the page running, their team to have some moderators payed is fine, same on the nexus-everything in another dimension, there....but not for a modding into a ready-to-play-game. This is ridiculous.

 

Different games can not be modded same way with same depth and as pamatronic told, is modding only possible if the interest is there. If you want to see more qualified mods, you need to work in teams, which is not for all of us "ideal". And btw. would I never let me to become pressed to have a deadline. Not for money and not for fun.

Professional modding by making money is simply not allowed-this is a positive aspect. Those, who like to do something really remarkable can use the open game engines and create some new stuff. There´s lot of open engines available nowadays and btw. there are also engines, which can be used PROFESSIONAL, like gamebryo. In that case can the teams work a lot and also get their respected income if they create a serious product. Such teams like illusion-softwork in the past made their way and become famous.

 

And sex-related 3D-gaming is depending on a most complex game-mechanic, on a most innovative animation-engine you can get. This will stay a wish for all times. What there until now has been done in skyrim and co. you probably will never see inside of a professional product as this would no serious company would support.

 

So take it easy and enjoy how it is actually. And have the hope that the few creators are staying healthy many years to offer some content "with love and for free".

Honestly the idea is more to tend to games that haven't received any mod support at all like the examples I've mentioned before. Personally I think games like Skyrim are fine with what they offer in terms of mod service but there are many really amazing games out there that don't really have any mods despite raving reviews. It saddens me as someone that really enjoys modding the hell out of their games. There are many people with visions on how to make a wondrous mod, but lack the actual skills or are incapable of learning the actual skills or (In some circumstances) intelligence to pull it off. There are the people who have the skills that could do what some people wished they could, but don't have the free drive to make it a reality. See the Dead Risk of Rain 2 sex mod. Plenty of Artists and Animators, but not a single programmer to create the framework, so the project is dead and buried despite there being sections on the server that have many amazing suggestions for the framework and how to operate it all. The blueprint for the mod is all laid out, just no one has the skills to actually create it. I would at least prefer to have an easily accessible option of paying someone to make something that I cannot for me, rather then 'wait and see with love and for free' because honestly.. that means very little when none of the love and free comes your way. It is selfish to assume someone will just make something for free just because you wish them to.

I do acknowledge that monetizing things like this is a dangerous zone, otherwise you'll end up with something like Bethesda's creation club BS, which this idea is not. Neither is it like Fiverr. Again, its like an Old West/Medieval RPG game bounty board. Once the mod is done, after the initial payout when the bounty is claimed, no more payout. I do appreciate the response : )

[Screws]

13 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

My "Problem" with this topic and some of your posts is that Its all about Money.

Again, modding is something that should be done out of passion. Lets use @t.ara as an example. Zap has been an absolute cornerstone of Adult modding for ages. And now Look at her post above to see whats her stance on monetization...

And this is true for most of us. Users who think that money should be the primary incentive when doing this, are simply a negative influence on the overall community.
If all you can think about Is how to commercialize modding, you probably should just stop and go for a more lucrative conventional occupation.
Making some bucks as a side effect is all fine and dandy, but Making it the driving factor is poison for any creative process.

Not primary incentive. I, personally, am frustrated by the lack of mod love for so many games that have so much potential for it. Yet people will mock you when you suggest monetary incentive to breathe actual life into these mod-dead games. I mean what if Skyrim had no mods to speak of? What if no modder was interested in freely and passionately modding skyrim? Actually think of the hypothetical Scenario. Would you really be saying the same? 

Of course you're not going to think of this scenario honestly, because you've already got what you want. You've got the many mods you desire in a game like Skyrim. It already exists, it's already there, so there isn't anything to want or yearn for.

You're spitting in the face of an idea that would bring the waters of mod-life to dry and mod-dead games, that would open the pathway for creative and passionate modders to do their own thing. I'm coming from this with the experience of having seen so many games with modding potential that just.. aren't, despite it being proven how easily moddable they are because of the lack of passionate modders. Many of Skyrim's mods are based off of the work of Loverslab. Honestly the main part I'd want to create is a system to pay people to lay down the foundation for mod-less games, that might inspire more modders to jump on board. Sometimes you just have to pay someone to do something no one else wants to do, and after that, the waters flow freely and a new stream of mods might erupt from such a thing, thus leading to a wellspring of creative individuals working freely to make more of what has been laid down.

[Screws]

12 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

 

Those would be one time payments for a one time thing, like if i pay a guy on fiverr to make a guitar solo over my drumloop then that's the whole transaction, i don't think that's comparable to supporting an ongoing project like kickstarter or just mod commisions in general.

 

 

You're not wrong on this, but i think if someone was interested in making adult mods for that game they would've found their way to do it anyway. They can artificially be motivated through money but there are a million other projects that also have that incentive so interest is still the primary driving force. What game the mods are being requested for makes a huge difference, Skyrim for example has massive reach so it draws a lot of modders compared to Risk Of Rain 2, monetary incentive can't get around that.

 

 

Sure but a hacker is probing an existing system to find vulnerabilities and bugs in an existing system while a modder has to create the mod from scratch, you must see how these two aren't comparable 1:1 here. This feeds into my previous point about a game's reach and how that dictates how much interest there is for creating and using mods for them, you can put a lot of money behind a mod request for some obscure game but it's the interest for that game that ultimately motivates anyone who's skilled enough to work on something with more reach, like Skyrim for example.

 

 

I mean, the rims are the wheels, i think you mean tires lmao.

 

 Oh, so like a website designed for modders and mod requesters to meet in and transact stuff. Sounds like a novel idea but i don't see how it'll be much different in practice from mod websites that already exists where we have tons of modders and mod users in one place to talk freely in.

 

 

Feeds into my previous point, monetary incentive only does so much to get someone interested in modding for a game that has no widespread interest for it. The people who can do it would go for something that pays and also falls within their interests.

 

I'll use myself as an example, outside of LL i also make hand drawn NSFW stuff and i'm quite proud of the progress i've made so far, it pays quite nice too (finally). I've been requested to draw stuff that i'm not into (like furry stuff for example) and i turned them down even though i had monetary incentive there because in my head i'm thinking if i'm gonna draw something that i can also make money from then i'll draw something that i also like drawing. You see what i'm getting at? When there's skill involved it's the interest that becomes the driving force.

 

 

I know i can change it lol but this name has kinda become my identity here (even though i'm not a prominent figure on this site by any means) so i just kinda leave it like that even though it's cringe as fuck.

1) Aha, but you see! That's exactly what my idea is about, a 1 time lumpsum payout. The money gathers as people donate, the bounty grows, any modder can chase after the bounty, just they'll only get paid when the mod bounty has been completed. (There are tons of indie devs that abuse the subscription system and stall out updates to basically milk money from their subscribers, hence why no subscription model here in the traditional sense)

2) You'd be surprised. I've tried myself, learning how to make games, how to code, and mod. I've.. got some medical-mental issues that prevent me from doing so.. unfortunately. As well as some intelligence issues, lol. Let's just say, I've given my best attempts and it's just something I, personally, cannot do. Likewise, some people might just have very busy lives and do not want to invest what little free time they have in creating mods they would love to see in a game they enjoy, but rather just play the game as is and hope something comes along. I do believe you are underestimating the power of monetary incentive (At least if its high enough lol.) If there was a Bounty to set up the Framework for a Risk of Rain 2 Sex mod for about $3500, would you disregard it? For a good chunk of people in America that is a Month's pay. For many people in other countries, that is substantially more. Money can move mountains. (Unfortunate.. but.. sadly truer then I'd like it to be.)

3) I.. wasn't directly comparing them, rather just trying to present how the bounty system functions, my mistake on that. lol. However, like I said before, I'm sure if a mod bounty for even just $1k were up, I bet it would pull your attention to it, or at least curiosity in checking it out to see if its feasible or worth doing.

4) You're right lol. Tires, wheels, rims.. I'm an idiot when it comes to cars.. hence why I pay someone else to fix em.. ehhh ehhh see what I did there? XD

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"Oh, so like a website designed for modders and mod requesters to meet in and transact stuff. Sounds like a novel idea but i don't see how it'll be much different in practice from mod websites that already exists where we have tons of modders and mod users in one place to talk freely in."

5) Yes, yes exactly! More or less. lol. Well there is a difference. For example, you don't walk into a Library and expect to buy books from there or sell books there. However, you walk into a bookstore, you know its a transactional place for dealing in books. I hope that analogy clears things up a wee bit. I sometimes have a hard time expressing my ideas fully, so my apologies for that lol. I like to use a lot of analogies to try and cover that weakness of mine.. with... mixed success. Basically it boils down to expectation. Not too many people engage in suggesting/requesting mods. There are far less modders who even take the time to glance at these suggestions too and maybe once in a blue moon you'll get a modder that will work for free on one of these ideas. At least in a transactional place, the modder is actively looking to get some scratch, and will more readily read over multiple mod ideas and will most likely work on several, if only for the bounty money of completing the project.

6) I will actually use a counterpoint to this, my friend. Well, also speaking of my artist friend (Brilliant Artist.. very temperamental, does not take criticism well). She does commissions for things she doesn't necessarily like drawing. Reason being, she needs/wants the money for various things, like getting her own house instead of living in an apartment. It's nice if you can get paid for something you like doing, but let's be real here... 90% of people (That might be very generous tbh..) working in various jobs today aren't doing things they enjoy doing but simply because it puts bread on the table. Think the sewer cleaner guy is doing his job because he loves the smell? (Maybe, there are some people like that, so don't answer that XD) Think many of the doctors and surgeons are doing their jobs because they like helping people? (I'm sure there are a few that do, but we're not gonna be too idealistic here. Had a lot of bad experience with docs and surgeons who are only in it for the money) There are plenty of high paying jobs for jobs that other people just don't want to do, and they pull in a large sum of people outside of those that are interested in the subject material in the first place. I believe the scaling in 1:3. For every 1 person that is freely interested in something, I guarantee you that you will find AT LEAST 3 people who will do the same thing if they're paid for it. Now will they be similar in skill to that 1 interested person? Probably not, because that 1 person is actually passionate about it. However, there is always the chance some really talented individual is looking to make some dosh and puts out a masterpiece just so they can afford rent, or food, or utilities, or child support, or whatever other expense they need to cover. Or hell they might just need the extra money to save up for like a house, a new car, etc.

7) Haha, I know that feeling too well... I remember some of my old accounts on other websites. Kinda weird we always think back to slightly younger versions of ourselves and go "Fck I was so cringe back then..." When in those times, we'd consider the very adults we are now as being.. hmm.. boring? Stuckup? Ehhhh something along those lines I guess. Still I rather enjoy the pleasant dialogue : ) I like finding people like you that even if you disagree, we can be respectful and friendly to each other. I always dislike it when people just shit on someone's idea and go "It Bad!" like a caveman that just got burned by fire. Can be respectful in disagreement, though I suppose the internet is mostly people throwing virtual feces at each other anyway XD

[t.ara]

More than one time I got offers to participate on different "projects" to create a game -those maybe are projects, which maybe in future become a known game or such like, or never.  I all the time when I went in a discussion I felt I do not agree with the genre of game and their content. I also can not work in virtual online teams. This shows maybe what is more important for a modder as it has been discussed before.

And which game should really become modded??? I can not see another serious game to become modded. The stuff which is "going" is actually been modded. Lara Croft became naked in all game-versions, we have SIMS mods up- and down, all the bethesda stuff and also encrypted games have been modded like rockstar´s stuff and witcher (has been also secured by code)..there´s access to DOA and others as well. Maybe it is time to mod into fortnite? (only joking!)

About "tons of modders" I ´d be little carefully...I do not see this remarkable tons of modders. There are some-and I think that modding is becoming more and more less.

 

About $$$ there´s no "dangerous" zone, it simply is not serious to talk about money together with mod-creation. It´s under the hood of acceptable honor to show some real creators, that they offer a nice work (as soon their content has it ´s originallity) but it´s a grey zone in whole.

The really dangerous happening are those, which sell assets of others by using CGI-trader/turbosuid and other platforms. There are for examples assets of bethesda being SOLD for money. There are tons of scuptures in different poses, scimpy wearing assets of DAZ-studio and becoming sold. This guys do HURT other creators in 100% and this shall be the absolute example, what is happening in the internet. CRIME. This is copyright-crime. It´s not about textures, not about an idea, it´s simply MAKING MONEY EASY as POSSIBLE. HOOLIGANS. And inside of the modding scene we do them have also. AND you can do NOTHING against. IF you mod, you need to forget about that "this is YOURS". As soon you take Creation-KIT or a ready made game and build into it new stuff, you can only do this for FUN. That ´s the message.

 

You won´t be able to make a team working on a single mod-this is technically (for bethesda games) not possible as there are no tools for such an idea. Those games are created very much different compared with what is happening here. Do not await that bethesda´s team is knowing by name, what means

"transition" and for what that is standing. This term is only known by the specialists, which injected the animation-engine into the game. Plugin-transfer-plugout, ready. Who cares? It works !!!

Edited December 11, 2022 by t.ara

[Screws]

6 hours ago, t.ara said:

More than one time I got offers to participate on different "projects" to create a game -those maybe are projects, which maybe in future become a known game or such like, or never.  I all the time when I went in a discussion I felt I do not agree with the genre of game and their content. I also can not work in virtual online teams. This shows maybe what is more important for a modder as it has been discussed before.

And which game should really become modded??? I can not see another serious game to become modded. The stuff which is "going" is actually been modded. Lara Croft became naked in all game-versions, we have SIMS mods up- and down, all the bethesda stuff and also encrypted games have been modded like rockstar´s stuff and witcher (has been also secured by code)..there´s access to DOA and others as well. Maybe it is time to mod into fortnite? (only joking!)

About "tons of modders" I ´d be little carefully...I do not see this remarkable tons of modders. There are some-and I think that modding is becoming more and more less.

 

About $$$ there´s no "dangerous" zone, it simply is not serious to talk about money together with mod-creation. It´s under the hood of acceptable honor to show some real creators, that they offer a nice work (as soon their content has it ´s originallity) but it´s a grey zone in whole.

The really dangerous happening are those, which sell assets of others by using CGI-trader/turbosuid and other platforms. There are for examples assets of bethesda being SOLD for money. There are tons of scuptures in different poses, scimpy wearing assets of DAZ-studio and becoming sold. This guys do HURT other creators in 100% and this shall be the absolute example, what is happening in the internet. CRIME. This is copyright-crime. It´s not about textures, not about an idea, it´s simply MAKING MONEY EASY as POSSIBLE. HOOLIGANS. And inside of the modding scene we do them have also. AND you can do NOTHING against. IF you mod, you need to forget about that "this is YOURS". As soon you take Creation-KIT or a ready made game and build into it new stuff, you can only do this for FUN. That ´s the message.

 

You won´t be able to make a team working on a single mod-this is technically (for bethesda games) not possible as there are no tools for such an idea. Those games are created very much different compared with what is happening here. Do not await that bethesda´s team is knowing by name, what means

"transition" and for what that is standing. This term is only known by the specialists, which injected the animation-engine into the game. Plugin-transfer-plugout, ready. Who cares? It works !!!

Just because you don't think a game is worth modding doesn't mean other people feel the same way. Forgive me, but I am having difficulty understanding what you are saying for most of this. I take it english is not your first language? I mean no offense by this! I am just curious. It's a bit difficult to follow.

Simply put, you have those major titles like Lara Croft, Skyrim, Witcher, Sims, etc. Which have been modded out the wazoo by people that enjoy modding those games, but there are other games with very active playerbases, that aren't as mainstream. These games fly under the radar when it comes to modders and typically if they are modded, you get basic UI mods and QOL changes. Nothing as substantial as you see here on LL or even other non-lewd mods that can entirely shift the course of a game lol. I do agree that selling another person's assets and such is scummy and deserves punishment, but that isn't really what this all is about. Either way, I do believe there would be some sort of legal stuff if someone tried to claim a bounty with assets and such that isn't theirs and the original creator filed something against them. Idk, feels like there would be some legal stuff there.

My idea itself is more or less to bring attention to games that have gone neglected when it comes to modding, and by offering financial incentivization, it would bring modders into those games to at least get frameworks in place, thus opening the path for future modders. As an example, take Dungeons 3 or Risk of Rain 2. Both games are fairly easy to mod. (Not my words, just from what I've read from other modders) However, we have no lewd mods for either of them, then again both of these games aren't very mainstream in their popularity, but they are pretty solid games. By offering a financial incentive to create basic framework mods for these games that other modders can build off of, well.. I believe it opens the gates for new modders to come in, ones who didn't have the skills to create the framework, but have the skills to work off of it!

I mean take a look at the mainstream game mods we have on the site, just about all of them operate off a framework mod. WIcked Whims for Sims, Rimjobworld for Rimworld, Sexlab for Skyrim, etc. etc. they all have frameworks that many other mods are essentially built off of. A good +50% of the mods on site wouldn't exist without these framework mods. (Rough estimate, could be wrong, but considering most of them require these frameworks to function.. I think I'm lowballing lol.) 

There are tons of other games out there that don't have these framework mods in place, thus very limited lewd mods which tend to just be nudity mods, which are great mind you, but.. they are very limited. 

Let me pose to you a question, a hypothetical. If you were a fan of a game, and you didn't have any of the skills required to mod it, yet you wanted lewd mods or hell even just regular mods for a game. How would you go about trying to make it happen? Maybe you try asking if modders would be willing to mod it and do it for free and you wait a few weeks, months, maybe even years and no one comes. (Seen this scenario happen A LOT) What if you tried to learn the skills to make the mod yourself, but due to some issue or another, you just can't grasp them and it is literally an impossibility for you to learn them? (I myself have tried learning how to mod and game design as I'm very passionate about games, yet.. passion doesn't mean you can necessarily learn something. I've got some medical and mental issues that prevent me from grasping the concepts on much of game development as well as other things not associated with it. I struggle with mathematics for example lol.) I guarantee you, the second you offer a bit of money, you'll have quite a few modders ready and willing to make mods for that game and thus breathe life into its modding community. 

It's like owning a farm and paying for seeds so that you might actually grow crops on a once barren land. You have this big open patch of potential, but no one has planted anything on it, so nothing will grow. You pay for the seeds to kickstart the process of growing stuff on that land, and after a while more and more crops begin to sprout and grow. Soon enough you'll have a field teeming with crops! (Sorry for the farming analogy lol)

[TRX_Trixter]

@Screws i think it useless discussion. Simple suggestion for you:

 

1. Make decision for which game or games you want to make lewd framework

2. Find some other people who ready to pay for this.

3. Calculate sum of yours budget.

 

And then make topic here (bad idea) or in place where game developers searching for job with next text:

 

Hi, people. I want to request lewd framework for game X. I have budget Y for this task. I want next functionality for this framework:

a)

b)

c)

d)

.....

 

Waiting for yours suggestions.

 

Dont waist your time for trying to jange some people position on modding for money. You need another "type" of people. This will be much more effective because you will talking with people, who ready to work but not talking. You will know if your request is technicly possible to realize and you will know if your budget is enought for this. And never talk about working for money among people who firmly believe that "a good artist must be hungry".

 

P.S.

 

For example you can talk with this modder for start CEO

Edited December 12, 2022 by TRX_Trixter

[Screws]

5 hours ago, TRX_Trixter said:

@Screws i think it useless discussion. Simple suggestion for you:

 

1. Make decision for which game or games you want to make lewd framework

2. Find some other people who ready to pay for this.

3. Calculate sum of yours budget.

 

And then make topic here (bad idea) or in place where game developers searching for job with next text:

 

Hi, people. I want to request lewd framework for game X. I have budget Y for this task. I want next functionality for this framework:

a)

b)

c)

d)

.....

 

Waiting for yours suggestions.

 

Dont waist your time for trying to jange some people position on modding for money. You need another "type" of people. This will be much more effective because you will talking with people, who ready to work but not talking. You will know if your request is technicly possible to realize and you will know if your budget is enought for this. And never talk about working for money among people who firmly believe that "a good artist must be hungry".

 

P.S.

 

For example you can talk with this modder for start CEO

Well, I figured one place to do this, but only being able to finance it out of pocket would be by going to say.. Fiverr or some other platform like that and paying someone to make a framework out of my own pocket. Which there are plenty of top rated game and mod devs there, they just get really expensive depending on what you want. So by having a sort of communal donation pool to finance that, would make it a lot easier. 

I do believe you are right that it is a bit pointless to present this idea here. Like you said, too many people believing 'good artists must starve'.

[t.ara]

2 hours ago, Screws said:

Well, I figured one place to do this, but only being able to finance it out of pocket would be by going to say.. Fiverr or some other platform like that and paying someone to make a framework out of my own pocket. Which there are plenty of top rated game and mod devs there, they just get really expensive depending on what you want. So by having a sort of communal donation pool to finance that, would make it a lot easier. 

I do believe you are right that it is a bit pointless to present this idea here. Like you said, too many people believing 'good artists must starve'.

 

"Fiverr or some other platform like that"....i did not find game-creators there.

Framework needs a definition.

For existing games you can not sell products/creations. As soon I would find there something like that, the creator will become banned. And also for a sex-explicid content, people have been banned on different pages.

 

Too many people on LoverLab accept, that they can not (and are not allowed) to live from income (sponsoring) for some few tiny stuff, which is a mod for a professional, existing game.

Those, who are creators of new content, do it for FUN, not for money.

Opposite meaning about "good artists must starve" is that only BAD artists are selling their creations/products of art. Or are all of them poor?

 

Okay, I´ll go back to my creations:-)))

Wishing you all the best.

 

About "Feverr" I now have a next page found, which is suiting to some of those, which I mentioned earlier. Moderately: I´m no fan of such pages.

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by t.ara

[t.ara]

p.s. I finally am interested if you will find some, which like to create a new game....we had two here in the past...which really started with such a hard project.

 

The most popular engines are those two-but be careful-you can not sell your created product without becoming a slave of @Screws, oh, sorry, I mean of course SCREWED:

 

 

 

https://program-ace.com/blog/unity-vs-unreal/

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by t.ara

[Frosferes]

@t.ara I'd rather use Godot engine lol

[TRX_Trixter]

13 hours ago, TRX_Trixter said:

1. Make decision for which game or games you want to make lewd framework

2. Find some other people who ready to pay for this.

Yes, right. Creating framework - is complicated, long and very routine work. And yes it costs a lot of money. You must understan it very well. To solve financial problem you will need something like a community of people, who have money and ready to pay for this task and wait. I oftenly see community like this on Patreon. Try to search there. Maybe on Patreon this project already presist Who knows...

 

Funny thing: few year ago we (i and some others modders/developers) talking about a new lewd game. We talking about something like: Dark Souls (fighting system) + Skyrim (as lore system example) + Lewd part based on DAZ + renderotica resourses (DAZ Gen 8 + futalicious addon + golden palace addon). Technicly its more then possible and this is very requested product, as you can see here on LL and some Patreon projects.

 

In summ all what we need we have: Unreal Engine 5 + DAZ resources for quality models, sexual content and animations. Good platform for this project - Patreon. Ideas? More then enought. Problem? Money. Not money itself but money targeting.

 

As example Wild life

 

Give to this guy team from 10/15 professional game developers + 10 000 000 $ (for base game) + few years of work = profit.

 

Most people will think that 10 000 000$ - biggest problem. No, its not.  If you collect all lewd projects for Skyrim from patreon - you will be surprised how much people pay for this at month.

 

Main broblem - bad marketing (project idea and presentation for potential investors) and targeting of money ("collesting" all available finances as donations and etc around one project).

 

If you find someone, who can join all interest in good lewd game people around one project  - i beliave you will have no problems with money.

 

Next one example - Skyrim itself. For last 10 years people spend crazy amount of money for donations and commission requests for sexual content for this game. And? For that amount of money we already mus have something unbeliavabe but... we have what we have. Why? Bad marketing and bad targeting...

 

Join Ashal, Kimy, CEO and lot of others developers in one team. Give to them all that amount of money and you will see something fantasting in few years. 

And this fantastic thing will be free for all.

 

"modding for money", developers, money itself etc... its not a problems. Good manager and quality project management - thats is a real problem. 
 

Edited December 12, 2022 by TRX_Trixter

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, TRX_Trixter said:

Give to this guy team from 10/15 professional game developers + 10 000 000 $ (for base game) + few years of work = profit.

Yeah, but at that point you aren't much different from a regular game company...
in fact, 10 mills is A LOT for anyone who isnt a big AAA studio. Vast majority of 3d RPG´s go on significantly lower budgets. Conan Exiles for example was made with a budget of just 4.5 million, Ark was made with 2 mills before it hit early access.

 

1 hour ago, TRX_Trixter said:

And this fantastic thing will be free for all.

Can you really call it "free" if you have to recoup those 10 000 000$ somehow? Vast majority of (decent) 3d games have a gross revenue far below that.
Also, I think you severely overestimate the amounts of money people are willing to pay for this. And At this point I´m not even sure what "this" even is.
If I want a lewd game I can just go to Dlsite and have literally thousands of games to choose from. I don't really see how spending money on the mere possibility of a new game makes sense here.
If there were a genuine market for big-budget lewd games, don't you think any existing game company would have already jumped on this? they have the capital and the development/marketing infrastructure in place. But they don't do it because its a too much of a niche.
 

 

2 hours ago, TRX_Trixter said:

As example Wild life

Absolute biggest bunch of incompetent clowns I have ever seen...
Not necessarily related to this topic, but lemme give you this story:

In June this year, I was at the Dokomi in Düsseldorf (Germany). Its a large anime convention, and they had some some adult related stuff (the live shibari demonstration was neat).
They also had a panel on Sexual content in video games there, and it was hosted by none other than these Wildlife guys. Didn't know them at the time, so I gave it a shot.
And BOY, BOY did I have to bite my tongue to not shout something like "HAVE YOU CLOWNS EVER HEARD OF SKYRIM? (or literally any other game besides yours?)".
It was embarrassing. they were acting like they were the first humans ever who though about sex-anims in video games. And their "game" has been in development for 6 years by know and really is just a glorified sandbox. Nothing there is stuff you haven't already seen in some mod here. The only thing they got going for them is their "marketing". Patreon, kickstarter, .... they´ve got it all. But I guarantee you they´ll never make a playable game.

[Mr. Otaku]

On 12/10/2022 at 12:57 PM, TRX_Trixter said:

Yep...

 

Thanks, will be.

 

Oh shit, well i don't think you need me to tell you this but stay safe mayne. Wish i could do more than just fundraise for you guys : (

 

[Mr. Otaku]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:59 PM, Screws said:

-----

 

Just to be clear, i don't disagree with you on principle. I just find the proposition very unfeasible and impractical when put in practice cause people won't act the exact way you're expecting they will. The core of my argument is that instead of trying to create a whole new platform for this kind of stuff it's better to make existing mechanisms more effective at what you're trying to accomplish, i still think that people's interest in modding games depend on how engaging the game is from a player perspective (modders are also players after all) so there's no way Risk Of Rain 2 will drive the same interest level as Skyrim even with monetary incentive.

 

On 12/10/2022 at 7:59 PM, Screws said:

Still I rather enjoy the pleasant dialogue : ) I like finding people like you that even if you disagree, we can be respectful and friendly to each other.

 

Likewise, i always enjoy discussions where people are arguing in good faith.

[TRX_Trixter]

@Pamatronic

 

This will be my last post in this discussion. I dont know why im wrighting all these words at all because its useless and i understand that. Looks like i need to sleep few hours....

And sorry for my english. I'm too tired...

 

1. Budgedts amount and some persons or games in my examples are .... just examples. Anyway Wilde Life exists and clowns they or not - does not matter. 10 000 000 $ per year donations and commissions (in summ) for Skyrim modding - is objective reallity. So you can imagine what can be done for that amount of money if you need only 4,5 millions for good RPG. 

 

2. Punish them all, Wild life, Sexlab and all it stuff for Skyrim, and some other stuff from Patreon. Big amount of hi class sexual content was one of biggest expectations from Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3 and developers war ready to do this.

 

I dont know what about thinking people in AAA studious but im shure in three simple things:

1. People need this type of content and this is normal

2. There are more then enought sexual content games even on Steam

3. We already can have it in AAA titles a long time ago.

 

So what is the problem?

 

Wery simple - social schizophrenia. What i mean by this:

 

For example lets take even Skyrim. Its 18+ game where you can find:  killing hundreds of people and other forms of life in the most cruel ways, manifestations of fascism, intolerance towards representatives of other faiths, ethnic and social discrimination, black magic, vampirism, cannibalism, werewolfism, betrayal and murder of loved ones for the sake of artifacts and power, the idealization of theft and crime....

 

Yes, all this is in our real life and should be present in the Skyrim setting. 

 

We dump all this on the heads of people from the 18+ category and do not at all think about whether they are ready for this and whether the proposed ideas and models will harm them. All this is normal and acceptable for society.

 

BUT, as soon as you even hint at serious sexual content in a game of such content, thousands of "truth fighters" around will literally howl with righteous anger and shout TABOO in unison! EXECUTE! GET THIS OUT FROM OUR EYES! WHAT ABOUT THE POOR CHILDREN!? THIS IS THE DEVIL'S PROPAGANDA AND THE MORTING OF SOULS!!!

 

An i beleave that this is only one reason why noone from AAA studious dont make serious sexual content in games. To be honest i know it exactly. People from AAA studious will not even talking about this because even one wrong word in discussion like this can drop down all company.

 

About "will this be a free for all content?"

 

I tell you one thing: big amout (and i think most of it) of free for all content in mods still existing and was created just because someone pay for this but you just dont know about it and still beliave in "he work for soul". I cant tell you about large amount of mods (just because athors dont talk about and i respect this) but i can make some examples:

 

1. RM for VR. Exists only because some people by VR helmet for Expired

2. COtR - 1000$ from my pocket just to create fre for all mod.

3. All my SOS addons was created as commission works. Im always asking people who requesting this commissions: "You want it as for personal use only content or i can make it free for all?" Mostly they answer - you can make it free for all.

4. All my statues based on DAZ contet (does not matter bad it or not) i pay for with additional interactive licenses (150 - 350$ per item) + 1000$ per year for 3ds max and 1000$ per year for photoshop (but not for a long because in next year i will not be able to pay this money)

 

This site need financial support on Patreon for existing and giving to you ability to upload and download any "free for all" content. Kimy witd DD framework has Patreon page support etc, etc, etc....

 

Most people who creating 3d content pay for software licenses from his pocket (3ds max - 1000$ + adobe - 1000$ + zbrush - 1000$  per year)

 

Where i took all that money? From my personal familly bussines but thanks to Q19 and this war its dead now. Why i was made my Patreon page? Because i want to do my work further but i dont have any other way to earn money (for now and closest future). For example to by ZBrush. I need it to make my work much better. I need Photoshop and i need 3DS MAX. You think Adobe or someone other make me a gift? No.

 

Two from three my harddrives are dead because of regular blackouts and problems with electricity and i dont have money to by new because all what i have from patreon goes to feed my fammily with two small childrens. You can tell me - go and find another work but its almost impossible in my country now.

 

Where do you think all that people, who created all of that "free for all" content takes taime and possibilityes to make this work? Someone pay for this. And oftenly those people.

They not desearve to have some support?

 

Im not pretending that my work is something fantastic or .... masterpiece. But thousandts of people downloaded this content. For example: what is 10 or 50 cents for anyone of that people per download? Nothing. At all. For me - its way to survive and continue my work.  And not only for me.

 

Many people think in this way: "Oh... its not a problem. This one die another one came." Yes, its true...

"free for all" content (in meaning no money for its creation) - is only a beautifull legend in generall. Yes there are still people who make something "just for soul",  but just because they have this possibility at all.  Canvas and brushes costs money anyway.

 

P.S.

 

Im not climig. its just my last try to explain. I dont want to proceed with this discussion: not a time, not a place, no sence at all...

 

Im dreaming that some day i will wake up in the world, where i will be able to do just a things for soul and share it with other people for free, Really. Im dreaming for it. And im trying to do this already now. I hate money and process of earnin money. And i understand your position.

 

Sorry for my previous anger posts. Im just  tired from all of this...

 

With, all of my respect and best regards to you.

 

 

Just a hard times. Shitt happens 

Edited December 13, 2022 by TRX_Trixter

[TRX_Trixter]

2 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said:

 

Oh shit, well i don't think you need me to tell you this but stay safe mayne. Wish i could do more than just fundraise for you guys : (

 

Your kind words are very helpful. May be more than any money. Believe me "on word".