Windows 11?

[Melissa_69]

I'm on Windows 10 and Windows Update just said "Windows 11, version 22H2 is ready--and it's free!" But should I upgrade or should I stay with Windows 10?

 

 

[davisev5225]

Doesn't hurt to upgrade.  It's mostly UI changes.

[Mexicola88]

It hurts some ppl. Didn't hurt me.

 

 

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[Guest]

Is more than a year I am using it and I have no regrets.

But takes a couple of days to learn where the items and commands are now.

[Melissa_69]

7 minutes ago, Mexicola88 said:

It hurts some ppl. Didn't hurt me.

 

 

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Thank goodness I'm on an Intel based pc.

[Mexicola88]

6 minutes ago, Melissa_69 said:

 

Thank goodness I'm on an Intel based pc.

I got a R9 5950x it's still allright, the only thing weird is that programs like MSI Afterburner read wrong values from my CPU, but it doesn't affect it's performance at all. It's only a "on paper problem" for me, but some ppl really suffer under it.

[Decèdere]

Are these performance issues with Ryzen 7 CPUs specifically, or Ryzen 7 and later? I have a Ryzen 5 and W11 22H2 runs perfectly fine for me as far as I can tell. No issues in games or with the OS itself. I don't see much difference between W11 and W10 tbh.

[DrunkenCow]

5 hours ago, Decèdere said:

performance issues

 

pfft - Microsoft's decision to black list CPUs from the upgrade is pretty nonsensical.  The Surface Go 2 has a CPU that is just 100 MHz faster than the Surface Go, The Surface Go is blacklisted.

 

AMD's problem is that it's AMD.  

[Leoosp]

@DrunkenCow It's to do with the generation of CPU used in "Surface Go" and "Surface Go 2" as Windows 11 has some pretty strict requirements. Due to Spectre & Meltdown vulnerability mitigation code removal possibly, but definitely the evolving system security threat landscape evolution. It has these requirements in order to increase difficulty (raise the bar) to intrude into a computer owner's and/or user's system.

 

Though until the new 22H2 update it was likely still capable of having unknown and/or malicious code launchable on system by the user, obviously it's the user's responsibility to not launch unknown code and/or programs. However, classes of vulnerabilities exist which can allow for this possibility on computer systems.

 

These escalations of System Requirements have been coming for a long time, as the security threat landscape has been changing and evolving to get trickier to deal with, initially though they could be a problem they are getting a lot worse. Especially following the advent of nation state cyberwarfare and cyber weapons. As well as the creation of new tools of cybercrime which is causing more losses to business (commercial) activity, and this combined with BYOD.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Leoosp

[DrunkenCow]

6 hours ago, Leoosp said:

It's to do with the generation of CPU used in "Surface Go" and "Surface Go 2" as Windows 11 has some pretty strict requirements.

 

On paper, sure, I can see where you'd think that.  Inside the CFO office it's a tablet people weren't upgrading from so it should be deprecated to increase profits.  They basically pulled an Apple with their hardware after stripping Win 10 power options down to a minimum to decrease battery life didn't work to increase sales.

[Leoosp]

38 minutes ago, DrunkenCow said:

 

On paper, sure, I can see where you'd think that.  Inside the CFO office it's a tablet people weren't upgrading from so it should be deprecated to increase profits.  They basically pulled an Apple with their hardware after stripping Win 10 power options down to a minimum to decrease battery life didn't work to increase sales.

 

@DrunkenCow One of the requirements of Windows 11 is a TPM 2.0 either iTPM, fTPM or dTPM in order to install, without having to use a requirement bypass. The TPM 2.0 chip has stronger hashing algorithms compared to the 1.2 version. The hashes used in the 1.2 version at least one of them has been cracked by cybercriminals.

 

The newer Microsoft Surface devices have Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT) via its Intel CPUs, the older CPUs don't have a new enough revision of this technology or don't even have it. The TPM 2.0 combined with SecureBoot ensures that the device hasn't been tampered with in some way, be it via alterations to the hardware, firmware, operating system or early boot drivers.

 

This ensures that data held on it is protected and secure, this is especially for your data or your business's data. Businesses refresh and/or upgrade their hardware and/or software every 3 years. Development and/or business use of software goes in cycles, moving forwards onto current production release from the previous release, with possibly the future production version and current used for testing by dev teams. Devices go through QA so often components may not always be the latest, if they are to be used in business evironments.

[DrunkenCow]

On 11/5/2022 at 10:03 PM, Leoosp said:

The TPM 2.0 chip has stronger hashing algorithms compared to the 1.2 version. The hashes used in the 1.2 version at least one of them has been cracked by cybercriminals.

 

psst - the Surface Go has a TPM 2.0 chip. 

 

They pulled an Apple to increase hardware sales.

[X1R1]

It is Funky with Frame rate. Well, at least for me.

 Like, my Windows 10 boot is perfect.

 On win 11 I suffer a lot of game crashes and flickering just browsing at random times because,

 it tries to use 8k resolution & 4k resolution at the same time, o.O it likes to switch from display to GPU a lot after it updates.

Edited November 7, 2022 by X1R1
Forgot to mention "Game"

[Guest]

On 11/4/2022 at 5:38 PM, Melissa_69 said:

I'm on Windows 10 and Windows Update just said "Windows 11, version 22H2 is ready--and it's free!" But should I upgrade or should I stay with Windows 10?

 

 

> We upgraded all laptops and PCs at my work to 11. There are things we like more in 11 and it is much stable OS. Only a year ago, I didn't want to hear about this OS. Today is a different story. I cannot say how it behaves when playing games since I do not play any except Solitaire. But if it does not matter to you as well, I would recommend 11.

[pinky6225]

On 11/4/2022 at 5:48 PM, CPU said:

Is more than a year I am using it and I have no regrets.

But takes a couple of days to learn where the items and commands are now.

 

Have you noticed any advantages to using it for gaming? As thats the main reason i haven't upgraded as there seemed no actual benefit to doing

[27X]

1 hour ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Have you noticed any advantages to using it for gaming? As thats the main reason i haven't upgraded as there seemed no actual benefit to doing

 

Nada.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

 

Have you noticed any advantages to using it for gaming? As thats the main reason i haven't upgraded as there seemed no actual benefit to doing

 

No, but also no disadvantages. It works exactly like Win10 for games.

[Mexicola88]

On 11/8/2022 at 12:35 AM, pinky6225 said:

 

Have you noticed any advantages to using it for gaming? As thats the main reason i haven't upgraded as there seemed no actual benefit to doing

The main advantage is the "Auto HDR" option, you can play really every game with HDR. This works wonders in older games like Skyrim or GTA V etc. it looks a hell of a lot better playing games with HDR than without it. Well if you got a decent HDR display or TV. Else there isn't much of an advantage.

[Zor2k13]

Well if it ain't broke don't fix it and when the product is free, YOU are the product. 

[LunaticLover]

I used Windows 11 for now few months and all seems fine ?

[ElHUronLoco]

Okay, this is my very first comment and I'm already nerding out.

 

TL;DR, don't install Win 11 yet. If ever.

Please, for the love of all that is sacred in IT, do not upgrade to Win 11.

Aside from the performance issues that come from an OS being pretty new (not Microsoft's fault mostly, drivers still need to be perfected, so Nvidia, AMD and Intel, get off your asses), the amount of spyware included boggles my mind. (For whose who know, I use(d) Arch BTW. I'm a massive free software nut. Debian FTW.)
I upgraded my work laptop (Dell Latitude 5410) to Win 11 and I've run into random Wifi disconnects, DHCP leases not being renewed automatically, MASSIVE overheating at idle that just doesn't happen running WIn 10, horrendous login times after being in sleep mode (I'm talking three minutes), and a start menu that looks like Microsoft devs went out of their way to make it as unintuitive as possible, I've had it with Win 11.

What irked me the most is TPM 2.0 being mandatory (so, goodbye any hardware older than 8 years, and we're talking 4th gen Intel Core hardware, still pretty capable if you're gaming on a tight budget), and that if you're connected to the internet when you set up your computer for the first time, Windows forces you to use a Microsoft account instead of a local account. Because who cares about privacy ?

I know I'm an old geek, I'm part of the Win XP gang, I vastly prefer Windows 7 over any other version (and might have installed a Start menu replacement on my Win 10 PC that makes it look like Win 7's), but I wish Microsoft didn't stick to their old habit of releasing one good OS, one bad, one good, etc...

[davisev5225]

15 hours ago, SororitasSimp said:

I for one am quite disgusted by the fact they tried to make offline installs impossible (all previous OS's don't have this issue); instead requiring a "microsoft account" to install the OS. - There's ways around it, I know; but still, that & the fact that the "upgrade" is free clearly makes your information & activities (and treasured Skyrim waifus) the product.

 

I'm fully intending to stay on W10 for the forseeable future; riding it out all the way up to 2025; W10's EoS. At that point, I will probably upgrade my gaming laptop to W11/12 so I can continue gaming & browsing the web in somewhat safety - All other activites, especially regarding personal info will be handled on a seperate laptop running Linux. I miss the days when our computers & games actually belonged to us.

 

Apple has been doing it far longer than Microsoft, and even some of the popular Linux distros such as Ubuntu have been caught harvesting user data.  Welcome to the 21st century.  ?

[ElHUronLoco]

On 1/5/2023 at 1:59 AM, SororitasSimp said:

I for one am quite disgusted by the fact they tried to make offline installs impossible (all previous OS's don't have this issue); instead requiring a "microsoft account" to install the OS. - There's ways around it, I know; but still, that & the fact that the "upgrade" is free clearly makes your information & activities (and treasured Skyrim waifus) the product.

 

I'm fully intending to stay on W10 for the forseeable future; riding it out all the way up to 2025; W10's EoS. At that point, I will probably upgrade my gaming laptop to W11/12 so I can continue gaming & browsing the web in somewhat safety - All other activites, especially regarding personal info will be handled on a seperate laptop running Linux. I miss the days when our computers & games actually belonged to us.

To be fair, any platform we use that has a significant maintenance fee and that is free to use makes us the product, be it Facebook, Twitter, or anything. That's why I try to keep as far away from them as possible (and also because they're addictive as all Hell, they were literally built to be dopamin micro-dosing machines. But that's another topic.).

I'm gonna use W10 until EOL too, then I'm gonna take a solid look at SteamOS and try to switch to gaming on Linux. There's been a lot of improvements in terms of performance and compatibility, and just simply more and more games running natively on SteamOS, so I feel like it's worth spending some time messing with that. Win11 or 12 more than likely will be even worse in terms of privacy, it's a slope all tech companies are slipping down on and I won't go down with them.

I miss the good old days of physical copies. No launchers, no platforms, just you, your installl CD or DVD, a prayer to the IT gods that your disc isn't too scratched to be read, and just enjoying the game. No Rockstar Games trying to push online gaming down your throat (thought that Twitter was toxic ? Try to play with the 13yo GTA Online player base), no Bethesda trying to make you pay for C tier mods.

And I realize I'm a few steps away from telling them darn kids to get off my lawn. I'm too old for this shit.

[Guest]

Avoiding till it's not nescessary to use hack jobs to keep a local account. Plus my hardware wasn't compatible anyway. Hackjob for both to get it to boot. (Rufus iso maker)

 

Dell Optiplex i5 4570, 1050ti.

 

Will use 10 till eol or wait till I can fork the greens for better hardware.

[belegost]

The fact that you have to create a Microsoft account in order to even use the OS is a deal breaker. Thank you M$, but you can't have my personal data.