bumpedcar Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 Haven't played or fucked with or modded the game in several years. Sorry if this is posted regularly or posted recently but I didn't see anything actually answering this question. I saw a few comments that SSE was getting updates that ruined mods. If I do get back into Skyrim, should I bother with SSE? Do mods work with original and SSE? Honestly I have a lot of questions, and I guess I'm just looking for some direction. Do I restart my journey with Skyrim or SSE?
Guest Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 If you already have it, give it a shot. If not, then ask yourself if it's worth spending the money on buying the same exact game again.
Mr. Otaku Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 Just get SSE, don't ask just get it. Original is not even on Steam anymore and SSE has all the mods you could need with more being converted from original to SSE everyday. This has to be the most asked question in the gaming community at this point lol.
27X Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said: Just get SSE, don't ask just get it. Original is not even on Steam anymore and SSE has all the mods you could need with more being converted from original to SSE everyday. This has to be the most asked question in the gaming community at this point lol. None of that is true nor accurate.
Mr. Otaku Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, 27X said: None of that is true nor accurate. Elaborate.
Tinkering Solderbro Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 Skyrim AE with downgrade patcher work pretty well with the included features and old mods. It's a personal decision to downgrade patch to use all the old mods from Nexus, Schaken and here. Or to keep the AE untouched, to use the workshop mods and pay for content. Skyrim LE 32 Bit is out of updates, all the stuff work until someone fill it up to collapse, what for real is easy? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/57618
worik Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said: Original is not even on Steam anymore 4 hours ago, 27X said: None of that is true nor accurate. https://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/The_Elder_Scrolls_V_Skyrim/
Mr. Otaku Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, worik said: https://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/The_Elder_Scrolls_V_Skyrim/ I didn't know it was still there, it never appeared on the searches so i assumed they took it down but they just made it unlisted. Interesting.
27X Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said: Elaborate. Really? It's not an analog statement. Can you buy LE? Yes. Right now. This very moment. Even when Bugthesda wishes you wouldn't. Does legal LE require steam? Yes. But every mod can be and thus is on SSE. Naw. I can think at least seven mods mandatory to my load order that aren't on SSE. Three of those mods are exclusive to here, and no there are no plans to convert them. Also kind of hard to ask permission when a mod author has died. Which is a thing. But SSE is ultra superior, a guy on the internet told me That's cool and also wrong. It is more stable, and it can theoretically run more mods. It will never be graphically superior until Boris gets source code, because Bethesda made the same kind of choices that made them consider the PS3 the lead Skyrim platform, because there are some very very dumb short sighted people that literally have tenure at the company. Which is one of the reasons Fallout 4 has more draw calls than every other game combined outside of Ubi$haft games and also the reason Colonel Sanders is one of the weakest antagonists in video game history, if you bother at all to actually listen to his ramblings. Kind of like the Thieves Guild, which also according to the internet is world class writing for the ages. Now the same mod corollary is true for SSE. Lots of mods that aren't on LE for all kinds of reasons, some of which are just as arbitrary as to why they aren't on SSE. and then there's the AE thing, which should tell you straight up why most of these arbitrary reasons are dumb as fuck, because Bethesda doesn't love you, they just love your money. and their politics.
Mr. Otaku Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, 27X said: Really? It's not an analog statement. Can you buy LE? Yes. Right now. This very moment. Even when Bugthesda wishes you wouldn't. Does legal LE require steam? Yes. Yes i've been made aware and as i said before, i didn't know that LE was just unlisted and not taken down since it doesn't appear on Steam search results. So i was wrong on this particular point, okay great. Hardly the focus of my original comment. 8 minutes ago, 27X said: But every mod can be and thus is on SSE. Naw. I can think at least seven mods mandatory to my load order that aren't on SSE. Three of those mods are exclusive to here, and no there are no plans to convert them. Also kind of hard to ask permission when a mod author has died. Which is a thing. Except i never said all LE mods can be and thus is on SSE. Not once. I said "SSE has all the mods you could need with more being converted from original to SSE everyday." which is still true. Not every LE mod needs to be on SE, the latter has almost everything a standard player could need. Yes there are mods that are LE exclusive that are mandatory to your load order but to others those mods could simply be irrelevant. Modding is very case by case in nature. And not to mention just how many mods there are that are SE exclusive, so it balances out in the end as far as utility goes. 13 minutes ago, 27X said: But SSE is ultra superior, a guy on the internet told me That's cool and also wrong. It is more stable, and it can theoretically run more mods. It will never be graphically superior until Boris gets source code, because Bethesda made the same kind of choices that made them consider the PS3 the lead Skyrim platform, because there are some very very dumb short sighted people that literally have tenure at the company. Which is one of the reasons Fallout 4 has more draw calls than every other game combined outside of Ubi$haft games and also the reason Colonel Sanders is one of the weakest antagonists in video game history, if you bother at all to actually listen to his ramblings. Kind of like the Thieves Guild, which also according to the internet is world class writing for the ages. This is a bit of a weird tangent but alright. I've never acted like i'm very well versed with the technical side of these things, i'm sure LE has some technical advantages over SE for who knows what reasons but the general consensus seems to be that SE's stability and various back-end improvements makes it a better choice over LE for new players. I used LE until the start of 2020 so i do have experience with it, and i'm not saying that it runs like shit or something because i managed to create a very stable build before switching to SE but i can't see a reason to go back, not when lots of new shining armors and utility mods are so SE focused if not SE exclusive. I know it's all preferences but SE offers more in terms of modding landscape if you're a new player or a player returning after a long time. 21 minutes ago, 27X said: Now the same mod corollary is true for SSE. Lots of mods that aren't on LE for all kinds of reasons, some of which are just arbitrary why they aren't on SSE. and then there's the AE thing, which should tell you straight up why most of these arbitrary reasons are dumb as fuck, because Bethesda doesn't love you, they just love your money. and their politics. The simple reason from what i can tell is because SE is newer, so modders want to focus on the newer model. This happens in every type of community/industry. Support for old things only last for too long until people start shifting their focus to the newer ones and it's that shift that gives SE more longevity over LE, generally speaking. You even see it with AE, mods are already getting patches and updates for AE because the newer thing will always leave the old ones behind. Considering all this why would a new player go with LE? There's no standout advantage to it.
sad rabbit Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 i kinda of make my Le run smmootly untill after save 200 ish my castle of sand get kicked to the ground i share 20+ crash logs to a expert i luckly find in discord and he says something like this: LE by nature will crash randomly maybe 1 time a week maybe every 10 min maybe a hour or 2because even with all stuff(skse,enboost,ssme,crash fixes etc) the lack of memory because of 32 bits thing. and schaken says even if you try you will need alot to have problems with the 64bits ver this and TDM and SMP is where SE wins of LE and is quite sad and tiresome after soo much time,headashe and some white hairs you finnaly get all work no crash to suddenly it all gets flush down what makes me think about go to SE but i love soo much melodic,team tal and desert x outfits XD+all the bodyslides that take years to find (some even personnaly done for me by a super kind friend) ^^ +snapdragon running 50 to 60 fps after soo much chimichanga+my bad computer that probally will not be able to make me run snapdragon and smp well make me dont do the jump to SE but if this all fall by earth i will go to SE i sufer to much already x.x im sorry if i was not usefull just wanted to share my experience. resume i always defended LE will all resolve cause indeed SE is the same game and is unfair to have to buy the same game twise and this behavior needs to be canceled but if you want to heavy mod and have a good computer SE worth it because of the 64bits in the long run soo maybe i not sure never played SE but maybe in SE you will not suffer as i do sorry for the bad english good luck and happy modding bye bye
27X Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, sad rabbit said: SMP is where SE wins of LE and is quite sad and tiresome SMP on LE performs more work for less frames... provided the xml YOU wrote for YOUR system are correctly implemented.
sad rabbit Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, 27X said: SMP on LE performs more work for less frames... provided the xml YOU wrote for YOUR system are correctly implemented. a simple smp wig make me loss more then 20 fps and "YOU wrote for YOUR system' thats the suffering i talk about i not a programer or expert on this how in oblivion will i do it? oh nvm you not here to tell me just to blame me for my crashes i give up
SmedleyDButler Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 The debate is actually starting to annoy me at this point because lately it seems a bunch of new widgets which are actually cracking open new modding space are being made for SE, but as with others I have some mandatory LE mods which cannot and will not be converted to SE. There was a time where you could have it all in LE with the added bonus of Beth never again fucking with your install (which is worth heaps, IMO... the AE shithouse demonstrates that in spades). Now you do have to choose, pretty much based on which mods you see as most critical.
Just Don't Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 None. Playing Skyrim is illegal now. All of you go home, no more Skyrim.
sad rabbit Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 8 hours ago, SmedleyDButler said: The debate is actually starting to annoy me at this point because lately it seems a bunch of new widgets which are actually cracking open new modding space are being made for SE, but as with others I have some mandatory LE mods which cannot and will not be converted to SE. There was a time where you could have it all in LE with the added bonus of Beth never again fucking with your install (which is worth heaps, IMO... the AE shithouse demonstrates that in spades). Now you do have to choose, pretty much based on which mods you see as most critical. can i make a question about this last update and AE update i heard you can if you chose not use then soo dont fuck you setup/install is that true?
belegost Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 19 hours ago, Mr. Otaku said: i assumed they took it down but they just made it unlisted If they took it down it would be a legal nightmare, because it would also mean that people who already bought it would not be able to play it through Steam. Imagine the lawsuits. If they made it independent of Steam, imagine the piracy, because Steam acts as sort of DRM. Nobody would buy SSE if Legendary would be stand alone. Unlisting it was the only logical course of action.
Mr. Otaku Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, belegost said: If they took it down it would be a legal nightmare, because it would also mean that people who already bought it would not be able to play it through Steam. Imagine the lawsuits. If they made it independent of Steam, imagine the piracy, because Steam acts as sort of DRM. Nobody would buy SSE if Legendary would be stand alone. Unlisting it was the only logical course of action. Makes sense when you put it like that, but i;ve seen other companies like EA take down their old games over licensing issues (like the old NFS and Shift games) or like Codemasters taking down Grid 2, R* also took down the old GTA games so just assumed that Bethesda also did the same. Never bothered to check.
belegost Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mr. Otaku said: EA Remind me, when was the last time EA cared about their customer base? Early 1990's?
Mr. Otaku Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, belegost said: Remind me, when was the last time EA cared about their customer base? Early 1990's? Until a little before the mid 2010's i'd say, as far as NFS goes (never cared about the FIFA/Madden bullshit so i don't know really). Still, my point was that games have been taken down before without any lawsuit stuff so i just thought the same of Bethesda without checking.
Just Don't Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 4 hours ago, sad rabbit said: i heard you can if you chose not use then soo dont fuck you setup/install is that true? Yes. Disabling automatic Steam updates is a thing. You can also downgrade + disable automatic Steam updates if you didn't disabled them in time. It has been a thing for years.
SmedleyDButler Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 Yes, SE and AE are technically the "same" game as far as many SE mods are concerned, but not all of them. Any mod which uses a .dll will only work with one version or the other. Most SE modders are expressly making mods which are "old" SE compatible for now, so downgrading (which basically just reverts the main Skyrim .exe to the pre-AE version) is the best option, especially if you're paying for the additional CC content (but you really don't need that stuff). As far as the store goes, Steam sees no difference between the two, so if you buy a new copy of SE now it will be the AE version.
27X Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 21 hours ago, sad rabbit said: a simple smp wig make me loss more then 20 fps and "YOU wrote for YOUR system' thats the suffering i talk about i not a programer or expert on this how in oblivion will i do it? oh nvm you not here to tell me just to blame me for my crashes i give up Someone forced you to download the mod? At gunpoint?
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