Corsec's Lewd Patches Clusterfuck Madness

[AWHA2]

7 hours ago, Corsec said:

Does anyone actually use the patches to add non-Devious Devices or Luxury Collection outfits to vanilla NPCs? I'm wondering whether it's even worth uploading them, I haven't had feedback about them for a very long time so I'm not sure if people even use them. There aren't any relevant download stats either so I can't track which patches are used more or less than others.

Personally I prefer having these types of outfits more "integrated" into a mod like Slaverun Enforcer Standalone, though I see that you are also a contributor to that mod. The Enforcer can do what this mod does, but with more customization.

 

I do appreciate your bikini SPID mod though

[Corsec]

SPID can potentially handle all the outfit distribution for my patches, although it's inconvenient for users to customize. It's also redundant if you use SES to make the same outfit changes. I also patch some civilian NPCs to remove weapons for consistency with Sexlab Survival, but SPID can't do that. I don't know if SES can remove weapons from NPCs.

 

I've upgraded the bikini and non-DD patches, and now I'm trying to decide what to do with the Lux content I haven't fully decided yet so I'm interested to hear if anyone has anything to say.

 

Kaxat is also looking into setting up some Lux content for SES and we've been talking about it, but we haven't made any final decisions yet. I'd like to treat the Lux content less as a standalone thing and more of a "non-dd expansion" type of thing and mix Lux corsets and lingerie into the non-dd outfit sets, for example the Lux corsets would look really good with heavy bondage. However some people might prefer the current way, with seperate Lux outfits and only a few non-dd items mixed in*. Right now you can choose either non-dd or Lux but not much of a mix of both.

 

*At the moment the Lux patches uses a few non-devious devices to provide boots, collars, cuffs and gloves where the Lux outfits lack them. However it's mostly Lux.

[jperrins66]

If I start a new game with your update will I also have to start a new one when you change over to SPID? also are we talking days/weeks/months till that happens ?, I like the "non-dd expansion" for lux  idea btw

[Corsec]

7 hours ago, jperrins66 said:

If I start a new game with your update will I also have to start a new one when you change over to SPID? also are we talking days/weeks/months till that happens ?, I like the "non-dd expansion" for lux  idea btw

 

SPID is safe to add/remove to savegames.

 

You shouldn't mix and match any non-devious devices patches from after 22_11_2022 with ones from before that date. Some of them are safe; the Radiant Prostition, Sexlab DIalogues and Deviously Enslaved ones (there is a single radiant prostitution patch for non-devious devices that isn't safe to mix). Basically all the files on the download page that were uploaded on March 7 2022 are safe. Everything listed after "Backups of All Older Versions From Before 22_11_2022.7z" is not safe to mix and match.

 

I'll be working on it over the next week or two. Just not 100% sure yet how to do it all.

[jperrins66]

1 hour ago, Corsec said:

 

SPID is safe to add/remove to savegames.

 

You shouldn't mix and match any non-devious devices patches from after 22_11_2022 with ones from before that date. Some of them are safe; the Radiant Prostition, Sexlab DIalogues and Deviously Enslaved ones (there is a single radiant prostitution patch for non-devious devices that isn't safe to mix). Basically all the files on the download page that were uploaded on March 7 2022 are safe. Everything listed after "Backups of All Older Versions From Before 22_11_2022.7z" is not safe to mix and match.

 

I'll be working on it over the next week or two. Just not 100% sure yet how to do it all.

Which is the radiant prostitution patch not to use ?

[Corsec]

2 minutes ago, jperrins66 said:

Which is the radiant prostitution patch not to use ?

 

The one in the backup of old files, it's for non-devious devices. Note that I changed all the plugin titles to make it a hard as possible to mix and match the old/new versions. You want to use either all the old files, or all the new ones, don't mix and match.

 

This is the old one- "Non-Devious Devices Masterlist - Radiant Prostitution Patch.esp"

 

This is the new one, use this on a new game- "Non-Devious Devices - Radiant Prostitution Patch.esp"

 

Basically just stick with the files you already have until your are ready for a new game, and then delete all your old content and download the new stuff.

 

 

[Nuascura]

On 11/21/2022 at 6:36 PM, Corsec said:

Does anyone actually use the patches to add non-Devious Devices or Luxury Collection outfits to vanilla NPCs? I'm wondering whether it's even worth uploading them, I haven't had feedback about them for a very long time so I'm not sure if people even use them. There aren't any relevant download stats either so I can't track which patches are used more or less than others.

Just found your mods. I’m using SLS and would rather not use Slaverun due to how bloated and taxing it is in affecting NPCs and the game space physically, so I’d really appreciate the non-Devious Devices for vanilla NPCs. It’s always felt unimmersive with how I was the only one affected by the new license requirements. It’s that or I find a mod that strips all Fem NPCs (which I haven’t found).

 

BTW has it been converted to SPID? Can’t wait to download.

Edit: Also, is the current non-DD Vanilla NPC patch compatible with the SPID Bikini armor mods?

Edited November 23, 2022 by Gyra

[jperrins66]

Do we use Non_Devious_Devices_For_Vanilla_NPCs - SPID_DISTRI  with Non-Devious Devices - Vanilla NPCs Patch or is it one or the other ?

[Corsec]

5 hours ago, Gyra said:

BTW has it been converted to SPID? Can’t wait to download.

Edit: Also, is the current non-DD Vanilla NPC patch compatible with the SPID Bikini armor mods?

 

"[23:14:13:310]         Non-DD - Only Cosmetic - No Armbinder No Gag No Blindfold [0xB5C~Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp] added to 583/13644 NPCs"

 

Hell yeah, it's been uploaded.

 

5 hours ago, Gyra said:

Edit: Also, is the current non-DD Vanilla NPC patch compatible with the SPID Bikini armor mods?

 

Yes, the SPID and non-SPID vanilla NPC non-DD patches are compatible with the SPID bikini armor mod because they don't touch the same NPCs. The SPID and non-SPID non-DD patches won't conflict because they do the same thing but they are redundant together , just use SPID for evrything where possible. I recommend using only the SPID patches and maybe also the "Remove Weapons From Weak Female NPC.esp" if you have a way to resolve the compatability, and make sure to laod it early.

 

 

5 hours ago, Gyra said:

Just found your mods. I’m using SLS and would rather not use Slaverun due to how bloated and taxing it is in affecting NPCs and the game space physically, so I’d really appreciate the non-Devious Devices for vanilla NPCs. It’s always felt unimmersive with how I was the only one affected by the new license requirements. It’s that or I find a mod that strips all Fem NPCs (which I haven’t found).

 

My intent with these patches was for consistency with Slaverun and Sexlab Survival.

 

The bloat and intrusive script-heaviness of Slaverun comes mostly from the Enforcer, whcih can be turned off. the main problem with the mod is that's it's very buggy in SSE and you will need to skip quests to get past the bugs. There is a standalone version of the Slaverun Enforcer to handle public sex and outfit changing. It's been designed to be as performance friendly as possible I've worked with the mo author so it's compatible with non-devious devices so you can have it load them onto female NPCs. it followes the same scheme I use; rich and powerful females are exempted. The link in spoiler below-

Spoiler

 

 

If you don't want that then you can use Pet Collar for public sex. It will recognize non devious devices and will prefer to run public sex on any character wearing them. It's what I personally use.

Spoiler

 

 

I also released this to make the SLaverun comments be standalone too-

Spoiler

 

 

[Corsec]

3 minutes ago, jperrins66 said:

Do we use Non_Devious_Devices_For_Vanilla_NPCs - SPID_DISTRI  with Non-Devious Devices - Vanilla NPCs Patch or is it one or the other ?

 

 

The SPID patch will do all the same outfit changes that as the vanilla NPCs patch, however SPID can also affect any modded NPCs that use vaniila outfits. However the SPID patch doesn't do the weapon removal, whcih may or may not be important to you. There is an optional patch with the SPID download to handle weapon removal.

 

I recommend not using the vanilla NPC patch, only the SPID patch. If you want weapon removal then add the optional patch.

 

With the release of the SPDI pacth, the vanilla NPC patch for non devious devices is redundant. I kept it up in case anyone still wants to use it.

[Nuascura]

19 minutes ago, Corsec said:

"[23:14:13:310]         Non-DD - Only Cosmetic - No Armbinder No Gag No Blindfold [0xB5C~Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp] added to 583/13644 NPCs"

 

Hell yeah, it's been uploaded.

Hooray! 

 

"SPID Non Devious Devices For Vanilla NPCs 23_11_2022.7z" doesn't contain a plugin aside for the weapons, so I assume if I want SPID for non-DD vanilla, I'd get the two top level plugins from "Non-Devious Devices Masterlist 23_11_2022.7z" and bundle them with the SPID ini file from the former? Would these be the correct files to be placed in the Data folder?

Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp

Non-Devious Devices.esp

Non_Devious_Devices_For_Vanilla_NPCs - SPID_DISTRI.ini

 

Thanks in advance!

 

19 minutes ago, Corsec said:

The bloat and intrusive script-heaviness of Slaverun comes mostly from the Enforcer, whcih can be turned off. the main problem with the mod is that's it's very buggy in SSE and you will need to skip quests to get past the bugs. There is a standalone version of the Slaverun Enforcer to handle public sex and outfit changing. It's been designed to be as performance friendly as possible I've worked with the mo author so it's compatible with non-devious devices so you can have it load them onto female NPCs. it followes the same scheme I use; rich and powerful females are exempted. The link in spoiler below-

 

Yeah, I'm actually waiting for the day it completely decouples from Slaverun. I'm running AE Skyrim on Steam Deck so it's not too powerful. Skyrim ran even worse with both Enforcer standsalone and Slaverun Reloaded, so I want to see if the eventual separation would help.

Edited November 24, 2022 by Gyra

[Corsec]

11 minutes ago, Gyra said:

Hooray! 

 

"SPID Non Devious Devices For Vanilla NPCs 23_11_2022.7z" doesn't contain a plugin aside for the weapons, so I assume if I want SPID for non-DD vanilla, I'd get the two parent level plugins from "Non-Devious Devices Masterlist 23_11_2022.7z" and bundle them with the SPID ini file from the former?

Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp

Non-Devious Devices.esp

Non_Devious_Devices_For_Vanilla_NPCs - SPID_DISTRI.ini

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Yes that is exactly how it works. The SPID patch needs the Non Devious Masterlist mod to provide the outfits. Sorry, I should have said that on the modpage, will change.

[Corsec]

40 minutes ago, Gyra said:

Yeah, I'm actually waiting for the day it completely decouples from Slaverun. I'm running AE Skyrim on Steam Deck so it's not too powerful. Skyrim ran even worse with both Enforcer standsalone and Slaverun Reloaded, so I want to see if the eventual separation would help.

 

As I mentioned before, Pet Collar is a good choice for a public sex mod. It is simple, light and stable. It treats non devious devices like regular non devious devices so it will run sex events on all the NPCs in your game who have been appropriately equipped. It prefers to run events on the PC and followers so it will run most of it's events where you will notice them rather than useless NPC vs NPC sex where you can't see it. It turns taverns into orgies and gangbangs of all the bound slaves there so that's fun too.

 

Radiant prostitution also runs some NPC vs NPC whoring and I have an additional patch to make it treat anyone in non devious devices as whores.

[Nuascura]

Aight, I loaded your SPID ini files in and it's all looking good except that elderly NPCs are also affected. So I copied the FormFilters listed in the SPID Naked Dibelians mod and pasted them into your ini file for vanilla NPCs. It's working well, but I modified it for every single line like so:

 

Outfit = 0xb5c~Non-Devious Devices - Masterlist.esp|ActorTypeNPC|0x5FB81~Skyrim.esm,-BretonRaceChild,-ImperialRaceChild,-NordRaceChild,-RedguardRaceChild,-Child,-ElderRace,-ElderRaceVampire|NONE|F|NONE|100

 

Is this actually necessary or could I have just modified one or two lines? 

 

Edit: Also, I'm otherwise very happy with your implementation of DD / Fem NPC clothes stripping. It appears much more effective and light on my system than Enforcer. With that latter mod, I'd sometimes see clothed NPCs before the mod refreshes for its next cycle. Your SPID mod coupled with your Slaverun Reloaded Comments mod is just about all I need for a lightweight nudity law setup

Edited November 24, 2022 by Gyra

[merryMalfunctioning]

Is the download for the actual Immersive Wenches patch missing?

[Corsec]

9 hours ago, markdf said:

Is the download for the actual Immersive Wenches patch missing?

 

You had me worried there for a moment, I thought I had forgotten to pack the optional files with the download lol.

 

It's in the 'optional' folder for the non devious devices masterlist download.  I used to put all the optional files with the mandatory files, but someone thought the optional files were mandatory so I stopped doing that. But now people might ignore the 'optional' folder lol.

[Corsec]

16 hours ago, Gyra said:

Aight, I loaded your SPID ini files in and it's all looking good except that elderly NPCs are also affected.

 

LOL that's pretty funny. I didn't notice it in my game because I edit the textures for elder bodies to use the same face/body textures as young people so they look normal (I will share if anyone wants). It never even occured to me this would be a problem. Thanks for telling me! The SPID patch doesn't edit any outfits used by children so their races can be removed, I don't expect child races will ever use adult vanilla outfits.

 

I'm happy with the way it works in my game but I can't expect people to also patch old person textures so I will upload your edits with the SPID patch. Thansk for your contribution. I tested it ingame and it works as intended.

[Nuascura]

5 hours ago, Corsec said:

 

LOL that's pretty funny. I didn't notice it in my game because I edit the textures for elder bodies to use the same face/body textures as young people so they look normal (I will share if anyone wants). It never even occured to me this would be a problem. Thanks for telling me! The SPID patch doesn't edit any outfits used by children so their races can be removed, I don't expect child races will ever use adult vanilla outfits.

 

I'm happy with the way it works in my game but I can't expect people to also patch old person textures so I will upload your edits with the SPID patch. Thansk for your contribution. I tested it ingame and it works as intended.

Hm, I would be tempted to bestow youth upon the elderly if there were a way to patch out their elderrace exclusive comments, such as “come to chat with an old woman, hm?”, cuz it breaks immersion. 
btw are there any resources you can point me to that would help with resolving plug-in record conflicts? so that I can remove weapons from female NPCS affected by NPC overhauls without causing black face.

Edit:

This is what I'm doing right now:

1. Load up NPC replacers and Remove Weapons esps

2. Create empty esp as patch

3. For each conflicting record, copy the relevant individual NPC record of the later-loading esp into the patch. Ex. For load order Remove Weapons, Replacer A, Replacer B, Patch - copy as override of Replacer B into Patch

4. Delete the CNTO - Item for each NPC record in the patch

rinse and repeat 3 and 4

 

Is there a faster, more correct way to resolve conflicts?

Edited November 25, 2022 by Gyra

[merryMalfunctioning]

5 hours ago, Corsec said:

 

You had me worried there for a moment, I thought I had forgotten to pack the optional files with the download lol.

 

It's in the 'optional' folder for the non devious devices masterlist download.  I used to put all the optional files with the mandatory files, but someone thought the optional files were mandatory so I stopped doing that. But now people might ignore the 'optional' folder lol.

 

Can't believe I missed that. Thanks for the quick response!

[Corsec]

9 hours ago, Gyra said:

Hm, I would be tempted to bestow youth upon the elderly if there were a way to patch out their elderrace exclusive comments, such as “come to chat with an old woman, hm?”, cuz it breaks immersion.

 

I have a very customized modlist and I change the texture files directly. That won't work for most others who don't use the same textures as I do. If you want to do it that way then you need to find the young person textures that you are currently using and cope-paste and rename them up overwrite like this-

Spoiler

 

 

If you don't want to do that then you can use this plugin pack. It contains 2 plugins, one will handle the texture redirection to make females use the young person textures but take care that it doesn't conflict with something. The other plugin will edit the voicetypes to make elders use young person voices, however some of their unique quest dialogue will be silent because there isn't a young person's line to replace the old people's lines. For example, the Grey Mane woman in Whiterun who sells jewellery has unique dialogue for selling her wares and that will be silent. It's a tradeoff, she will sound young for some dialogue but won't be fully voiced. It's your decision whether the tradeoff is worth it.

 

Let me know if it works for you, I will try to fix it if it doesn't.

Make Elder Females Young Again 25_11_2022.7z

Edited November 25, 2022 by Corsec

[Corsec]

9 hours ago, Gyra said:

btw are there any resources you can point me to that would help with resolving plug-in record conflicts? so that I can remove weapons from female NPCS affected by NPC overhauls without causing black face.

 

It sounds like you're doing it exactly the same way that I make my own compatibility patches. I do it all by hand because it's the only way to be sure. All the automated programs have flaws and will sometimes not do what I want it to.

 

If you want to automate the process then as far as I know Wrye bash is still the best option even though it's old. You can tell it what things to patch, if you want then it will only patch your NPCs. After running it I'd recommend loading it in xEdit and double-checking that it worked correctly. If Wrye Bash doesn't work 100% the way you want then you can copy it's content into a new patch and then manually edit that.

[Nuascura]

4 minutes ago, Corsec said:

 

It sounds like you're doing it exactly the same way that I make my own compatibility patches. I do it all by hand because it's the only way to be sure. All the automated programs have flaws and will sometimes not do what I want it to.

 

If you want to automate the process then as far as I know Wrye bash is still the best option even though it's old. You can tell it what things to patch, if you want then it will only patch your NPCs. After running it I'd recommend loading it in xEdit and double-checking that it worked correctly. If Wrye Bash doesn't work 100% the way you want then you can copy it's content into a new patch and then manually edit that.

Yeah I actually succeeded in making the patch with xEdit. I made the edits using your plugin as a reference and deleted your plugin afterwards. Only issue I'm wary of is that, since I'm using multiple NPC overhaul mods, I'm no longer able to safely change this subset of my load order, and any removal or installations of new NPC overhauls would necessitate a new patch since I didn't bother to make separate patches for each individual NPC mod.

 

I probably won't use the Elder Female plugins since we've got SPID filters working, but I'll keep it in mind. After spending so much time fixing issues, optimizing my mod setup, and molding the game world into this lightweight woman's hell, I kinda want to maintain this quest aspect of vanilla Skyrim so to play through the actual quests again, lol. I really appreciate all the help here, though.

[Corsec]

You don't need to completely remake compatibility patches, since you can just target only the NPCs that need to be changed. You can cleanand sort the masters of the patch to remove dependencies on deleted files. You should keep copies of the weapons file so you can use it as a reference in case you need to remake the compatibility patch.

 

I haven't changed my NPC overhauls in a long time since (in load order) Kaillies -> Bijin -> Pandorables are pretty much the best mods I've ever found for female appearances.

 

If you use AI Overhaul (which I recommend) I think it has a Synthesis patcher so you don't need to manually make compatibility patches for it.

 

I'm glad that I helped and let me know if you have any more issues. Have fun!

[Corsec]

So I'm planning an 'expanded' non devious devices patch to add the kinky fetish items from Lux Collection to the non-dd outfits. Mostly corsets, boots, gloves and underwear. Pasties will have a chance to spawn rather than piercings.

 

Does anyone want a patch to distribute Lux and only Lux items to NPCs?

 

Lux has 2 versions; CBBE and 3BA and they vary slightly, for example the corsets are broken in the CBBE version but not in the 3BA version. I'd have to support both versions. Nowadays are people more likely to use CBBE or 3BA?

[Nuascura]

I've be down for a SPID that mixes Lux clothing with non-DD items. Mostly using 3BA now where available. All my NPCs use the 3BA body, and the upcoming DD version includes a 3BA bodyslide anyway.