Saints Row Reboot Is Awful

[27X]

Imagine releasing a game so bad your parent company's stock drops by 10%.

[davisev5225]

57 minutes ago, 27X said:

Imagine releasing a game so bad your parent company's stock drops by 10%.

 

Oh wow, that really did happen.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/22/saints-row-reviews-embracer-group

 

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Edited August 25, 2022 by davisev5225

[Horatius_PL]

2 hours ago, 27X said:

Imagine releasing a game so bad your parent company's stock drops by 10%.

Get woke go broke lol. 

Good, fuck them and their shitty game.

[Pamatronic]

3 hours ago, Horatius_PL said:

Get woke go broke lol.

Had absolutely nothing to do with wokeness.
The fact that its a buggy mess and overall just not a good game was probably more important.
 

[27X]

1 hour ago, Pamatronic said:

Had absolutely nothing to do with wokeness.
 

 

Scenario writing and characterization has entirely everything to do with wokeness, as is pretty easy to see via LinkedIn. Perusing through the keyword jungle yields the common descriptors between the reviews are

 

cringe

boring

bland

dumb

not funny

lame

chore

basic

same

unfun

PC

halfassed

unfinished

broken

 

and woke.

 

While a couple of those are "objective"/technical, most of them aren't. Even accounting for political/social bias, there's a clear MO of presentation failure and a litany of telling instead of showing, which is pretty much the opposite of what you want in a SR game.

Edited August 25, 2022 by 27X

[davisev5225]

1 hour ago, Pamatronic said:

The fact that its a buggy mess and overall just not a good game was probably more important.
 

 

The bugs are an indication of where they invested their priorities (and therefore time/money).  Hint: it wasn't on systems or gameplay.

[Pamatronic]

58 minutes ago, davisev5225 said:

Hint: it wasn't on systems or gameplay.

True, And I believe that's the reason it was dead on arrival.
 

 

1 hour ago, 27X said:

Scenario writing and characterization has entirely everything to do with wokeness

Not gonna argue against that. But I believe that even with that wokeness, the game wouldnt have caused a 10% stockprize drop if the technical aspects would be in a more presentable state.
I mean, we all have played games with bad stories but still got a positive experience out of it because the gameplay was just dumb fun.
But alas, in too many cases, people with an agenda tend to neglect technical/gameplay aspects and the game suffers as a result.
SR unfortunately became just another example of that.

 

[27X]

1 hour ago, Pamatronic said:

True, And I believe that's the reason it was dead on arrival.
 

 

Not gonna argue against that. But I believe that even with that wokeness, the game wouldnt have caused a 10% stockprize drop if the technical aspects would be in a more presentable state.
I mean, we all have played games with bad stories but still got a positive experience out of it because the gameplay was just dumb fun.
But alas, in too many cases, people with an agenda tend to neglect technical/gameplay aspects and the game suffers as a result.
SR unfortunately became just another example of that.

 

 

You can woke like a motherfucker and still not suck. While Arcane is a 5 out of 10 for plot and story, it's still a 5 and is thus propelled by the 11/10 presentation and 8/10 voice acting.  Carnival Row was woke as hell, except the part where they showed instead of telling and didn't pander and thus didn't suck. I can think of a couple other games and shows with lots of blue check mark presentation except they actually fucking tried and while there are plenty of eye roll parts, there also parts you can get behind or give a fuck about, like Ex Machina. This has none.

[davisev5225]

24 minutes ago, 27X said:

 

You can woke like a motherfucker and still not suck. While Arcane is a 5 out of 10 for plot and story, it's still a 5 and is thus propelled by the 11/10 presentation and 8/10 voice acting.  Carnival Row was woke as hell, except the part where they showed instead of telling and didn't pander and thus didn't suck. I can think of a couple other games and shows with lots of blue check mark presentation except they actually fucking tried and while there are plenty of eye roll parts, there also parts you can get behind or give a fuck about, like Ex Machina. This has none.

 

Great example: Season 3 of The Orville.  It's got Disney "woke" all over it, but they did such a good job with the issues that you can easily believe it's the opposite of "woke".  It takes complex issues and allows them to remain complex, rather than trying to reduce it to a paradigm and a way to preach/browbeat.

[27X]

1 minute ago, davisev5225 said:

 

Great example: Season 3 of The Orville.  It's got Disney "woke" all over it, but they did such a good job with the issues that you can easily believe it's the opposite of "woke".  It takes complex issues and allows them to remain complex, rather than trying to reduce it to a paradigm and a way to preach/browbeat.

 

was just about to edit my post with that

[Kpnut]

All I have to say is I FUCKING KNEW IT! I knew this was going to be a shit disaster of a game and I was right.

 

If you want good Saints Row go play 2 or 3 (or even 4) let Volition and their parent company take the hit they deserve for putting this trash out.

[Horatius_PL]

15 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Had absolutely nothing to do with wokeness.
The fact that its a buggy mess and overall just not a good game was probably more important.
 

People can forgive a lot of technical problems with games.

But when the designers go out of their way to spit in their faces and you end up with typical diversity hires product, they simply wont.

So it has everything to do with wokeness, maybe they should hire real designers and programmers and not the pink hair dye brigade that can only tweet about muhsoggyknee.

[27X]

8 hours ago, Horatius_PL said:

diversity hires product

 

end of discussion.

[Horatius_PL]

9 hours ago, 27X said:

 

end of discussion.

There really isnt anything to discuss here - just another product from a long long list of shit destroyed by woke infestation.

Nothing new, nothing surprising, we saw that plebty of times before and lord knows we will see that a lot in the future.

[27X]

On 8/25/2022 at 4:11 PM, Pamatronic said:

Had absolutely nothing to do with wokeness.
The fact that its a buggy mess and overall just not a good game was probably more important.
 

 

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Sarkeesian was brought on board to craft scenarios and help character developers craft authentically diverse people to populate the re-imagined world

 

You were saying?

 

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Edited August 29, 2022 by 27X

[davisev5225]

1 hour ago, 27X said:

 

Sarkeesian was brought on board to craft scenarios and help character developer crafts authentically diverse people to populate the re-imagined world

 

[Pamatronic]

1 hour ago, 27X said:

You were saying?

Not gonna defend SR, but I call bullshit on this sarkeesian story.
Everyone who talks about this references an article from 2014 https://www.pcgamer.com/saints-row-4-developer-says-anita-sarkeesian-is-right-in-latest-tropes-vs-women-in-videogames-video/

where the creative director of volition, Steve Jarvos, agrees with the cunt.
Problem is, the guy left volition and went to valve the same year... i.e he had nothing to do with the SR reboot.
And that's where the track ends. But  some dipshits on youtube thought they can generate a few clicks with this nonsense.
If you find something more substantial, feel free to share.
 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Pamatronic
typos

[davisev5225]

21 minutes ago, Pamatronic said:

Not gonna defend SR, but I call bullshit on this sarkeesian story.
Everyone who talks about this references an article from 2014 https://www.pcgamer.com/saints-row-4-developer-says-anita-sarkeesian-is-right-in-latest-tropes-vs-women-in-videogames-video/

where the creative director of volition, Steve Jarvos, agrees with the cunt.
Problem is, the guy left volition and went to valve the same year... i.e he had nothing to do with the SR reboot.
And that's where the track ends. But  some dipshits on youtube thought they can generate a few clicks with this nonsense.
If you find something more substantial, feel free to share.
 

 

For him to speak up at the time, it was clearly incorporated as part of the company culture.  Even though he left, you can bet good money that a good portion of the remaining staff agreed with him.  Many of those staff carried over into the Deep Silver acquisition.

 

Executives DO NOT take potentially-career-ending PR risks like that unless they KNOW their team is in full support.

Edited August 29, 2022 by davisev5225

[kyan1449]

On 8/25/2022 at 5:43 PM, 27X said:

Imagine releasing a game so bad your parent company's stock drops by 10%.

Lol, Cyberpunk 2077. CD Project RED is still recovering and failing.

[xbrrrty]

On 8/27/2022 at 9:53 AM, Horatius_PL said:

There really isnt anything to discuss here - just another product from a long long list of shit destroyed by woke infestation.

Nothing new, nothing surprising, we saw that plebty of times before and lord knows we will see that a lot in the future.

Only infestation is horrific little creatures whining about pretend "wokeness" like it's the old times of 2016 with the evil hate cult of Gamergate in full swing. Thankfully they are a dying breed. They can still cry and whine though. The rest of us just laugh at them and hope they don't go on an incel shooting rampage.

 

The SR remake is fine but a step down from SR4 and even SR3 which is a shame as I expected more given the time passed. On the surface it has bugs and some obvious flaws but it just feels lower effort compared to the previous major entry. Still an OK game that's quite fun though but could have been better. It really needed more memorable characters. What's annoying is that some things were certainly improved.

 

[xbrrrty]

10 hours ago, kyan1449 said:

Lol, Cyberpunk 2077. CD Project RED is still recovering and failing.

Cyberpunk has continued to sell fairly well especially since Patch 1.5. Modders are in many ways responsible for keeping up the interest and making great mods despite the limited tools available. Such a shame they don't release a full modding kit...

[xbrrrty]

On 8/25/2022 at 7:17 PM, Horatius_PL said:

Get woke go broke lol. 

Good, fuck them and their shitty game.

Go woke go broke is literally never true. Ever. It's comical how many times this stupid phrase is used.

Edited August 29, 2022 by xbrrrty

[xbrrrty]

On 8/26/2022 at 12:13 AM, 27X said:

 

Scenario writing and characterization has entirely everything to do with wokeness, as is pretty easy to see via LinkedIn. Perusing through the keyword jungle yields the common descriptors between the reviews are

 

cringe

boring

bland

dumb

not funny

lame

chore

basic

same

unfun

PC

halfassed

unfinished

broken

 

and woke.

 

While a couple of those are "objective"/technical, most of them aren't. Even accounting for political/social bias, there's a clear MO of presentation failure and a litany of telling instead of showing, which is pretty much the opposite of what you want in a SR game.

Has nothing to do with the toxic mind virus that causes incels to scream about pretend "wokeness". Has everything to do with not pushing the boat out and making it too bland and low effort.

[27X]

10 hours ago, Pamatronic said:

Not gonna defend SR, but I call bullshit on this sarkeesian story.
Everyone who talks about this references an article from 2014 https://www.pcgamer.com/saints-row-4-developer-says-anita-sarkeesian-is-right-in-latest-tropes-vs-women-in-videogames-video/

where the creative director of volition, Steve Jarvos, agrees with the cunt.
Problem is, the guy left volition and went to valve the same year... i.e he had nothing to do with the SR reboot.
And that's where the track ends. But  some dipshits on youtube thought they can generate a few clicks with this nonsense.
If you find something more substantial, feel free to share.
 

 

You can cross reference linkedin hires with twitter or imdb. Takes about five seconds. You can believe whatever you want. I'm not here to convince you for what is obviously plain as day, especially if you're saying "youtube guy is for clicks" because the game's social commentary is also on youtube in the same amount. At this point you're essentially saying "Rings of Power isn't woke, dude; no one says 'woke' in 2023" except that is exactly what it is by design with approval both tacit and overt.

 

 

[27X]

17 minutes ago, xbrrrty said:

Has nothing to do with the toxic mind virus that causes incels to scream about pretend "wokeness". Has everything to do with not pushing the boat out and making it too bland and low effort.

 

I like the part where you combat stereotypes by using stereotypes and not only speaking like one but permacizing it with a signature. You're literally the thing you hate, which is probably why you hate it.