Will you/did you sign Prenuptial Agreement?

[Guest]

> When deciding to live together as love triangle in cohabit, my Ivy's mother was advised by family lawyer to make my Ivy sign prenuptial agreement with my Prince as assurance since he was poor and he didn't participate in house buying and he didn't bring in anything, but himself. My Ivy and I were very offended and she didn't sign it. Later on the same thing happened when our parents wrote the will. He was excluded from Ivy's parents' will. We were very angry and my Ivy ripped off the will saying that she will not tolerate any of her insults again. Her parents made a new will with his name in it, although my Prince requested to be excluded from our parents' will.

 

> Now, my Prince is a man who was never after our money and we often argued about it because although he was in the need of money before he started to work, he never took our money. He still doesn't use our credit cards and he doesn't want to know how much money we have but he gladly shares his money with us. We still teaching him that there is no "mine" and "yours", but "ours" in our marriage. It is a school that he still attend.

 

> Prenuptial Agreement came from the West in our country and culture. If you ask our parents and some younger generations, they will tell you that such thing didn't exist in their time; maybe among rich snobs, but not among ordinary people. Times changed and people wants such Agreement more and more. If you ask me, I still wouldn't sign it and demand from my Prince to sign it because we believe in true love. When we were asked what would happen in the case we split up, although we are sure we'll never do, we'd share our property on equal thirds although my Prince brought nothing in our marriage and he doesn't want and request anything.

 

> So, will you sign or demand Prenuptial Agreement?

 

Please, sustain from sexists and offensive statements and generalizations such as "women/men are like this and that" .... I will report such posts to moderators and they will be deleted

[Psalam]

I offered my wife a prenup when we married some 20+ years ago. She didn't want it. End of story.

[worik]

Simply: no

For the same reasons as your's

I do not intend to leave my other worik. Ever . And I do neither plan nor prepare for the contingency.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Psalam said:

I offered my wife a prenup when we married some 20+ years ago. She didn't want it. End of story.

> Smart woman. Pass her my regards and compliments

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, worik said:

Simply: no

For the same reasons as your's

I do not intend to leave my other worik. Ever . And I do neither plan nor prepare for the contingency.

 

I love you

[worik]

6 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

I love you

errrm ... *cough*

Wouldn't you rather prefer a sweet spanish girl than some random small worik from Anvil

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, worik said:

errrm ... *cough*

Wouldn't you rather prefer a sweet spanish girl than some random small worik from Anvil

I prefer German girl

[Papitas]

A love story should be between two people, but when you get married you're adding a third party (the state) to the equation, right?

 

I've heard many stories of prenups being nullified when the time to make them valid comes, so why waste time signing them?

 

For both those things I'll never get married, and have always had girlfriends that share my vision about marriage. 

[pinkfluf]

5 hours ago, worik said:

worik

I got nothing .... all i get in google is "Technical work socks and underwear made in Italy | WORIK"

[Gukahn]

  An old german saying goes:
"Was dein ist ist mein und was mein ist geht dich´n scheißdreck an." ?

 

Don't really care about such things. I don't have enough wealth to consider it and if the women i marry (never considered marriage once in my past relationships)
Has much wealth and fears i could only be after it, maybe she should think about trust issues rather then marriage ?

But honestly i don't really care.

 

[catchyorbit]

A prenup can easily turn into a piece of toilet paper at the judge's will.

 

It should be set in stone: Do not get married.

 

There is a 100% way to guarantee that a divorce would not happen. That is not to get married. Better than any prenup.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Gukahn said:

  An old german saying goes:
"Was dein ist ist mein und was mein ist geht dich´n scheißdreck an." ?

 

Don't really care about such things. I don't have enough wealth to consider it and if the women i marry (never considered marriage once in my past relationships)
Has much wealth and fears i could only be after it, maybe she should think about trust issues rather then marriage ?

But honestly i don't really care.

 

 

> I agree with you 100%. That's why my wife and I were angry at her mother who rather listened to the layer than us who trusted to our husband a billion times. If she and I would doubt in him, we wouldn't marry him.

[Z0mBieP00Nani]

Prenups are kind of like hiding behind an old sheet of plywood in a firefight, that being the only protection you are going to get is concealment or the ability to hide from the enemy, otherwise you are completely vulnerable.

 

I say this because of the following reasons:

1. Prenups expire.

2. Prenups can be thrown out, either because a lawyer can argue that it was signed under duress OR the judge happens to think that the prenup is unfair to the other party

   (often the ex wife).

 

What I'm saying is that prenups might as well be useless as far as protection is concerned. I would still recommend getting one if you insist on getting married, just in case, but don't be surprised if things go south, the judge tosses out the prenup, and then shoves the brutal dildo of divorce court up your virgin asshole.. with no lube.

 

I would say all of this especially if you are a fairly wealthy person and have anything worth extorting, because that's basically what it is.

 

As for myself I never intend to get married in the first place (partly because of stuff like this), much less look for another relationship. Anyway that's my take on prenups.

[worik]

13 hours ago, pinkfluf said:

I got nothing .... all i get in google is "Technical work socks and underwear made in Italy | WORIK"

Which is precisely a perfect result, since I am nothing more but imagination and a virtual existence on some random site somewhere in the endless internet

(Though I am astonished that search engines don't discover the LL profile pages of us here )

 

Edit: Oh! And of course a worik is a player character (me/our) in TES4 and TES5  and can only be found on the harddisk of our game computer

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, worik said:

Which is precisely a perfect result, since I am nothing more but imagination and a virtual existence on some random site somewhere in the endless internet

(Though I am astonished that search engines don't discover the LL profile pages of us here )

 

Edit: Oh! And of course a worik is a player character (me/our) in TES4 and TES5  and can only be found on the harddisk of our game computer

> It is strange indeed, but I think it is because "LL Worik" is avatar and their data base search is not related or connected with forum avatars.

[worik]

15 minutes ago, EvalovesEP said:

> It is strange indeed, but I think it is because "LL Worik" is avatar and their data base search is not related or connected with forum avatars.

That's perfectly fine with me

[SleepyMonster]

3 hours ago, worik said:

Which is precisely a perfect result, since I am nothing more but imagination and a virtual existence on some random site somewhere in the endless internet

(Though I am astonished that search engines don't discover the LL profile pages of us here )

 

Edit: Oh! And of course a worik is a player character (me/our) in TES4 and TES5  and can only be found on the harddisk of our game computer

Caught you!

It's all about cool firefighters underwear! ?‍??‍????

https://www.worik.it/

 

They even have a great slogan: "No worry with worik" ?

[Super Villain]

Personally, I had a strictly cultural/religious marriage with no government involved, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Any wise man in the West that is planning on marrying a woman through the State will insist she sign a prenup. If she refuses then she can kick rocks.  There is no benefit in a State registered marriage for men in the especially in the West, when women are incentivized by the government & it's laws to file for divorce, and in most cases, they take everything & benefit the most from the destruction of the family unit. And they have the police state, laws & family courts to back them.

[Clea Strange]

A prenup means nothing really and is just a piece of paper.  Judges can and have thrown out prenup agreements

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Hiderius said:

A prenup means nothing really and is just a piece of paper.  Judges can and have thrown out prenup agreements

> I wish it will be the same in our country. It is legal approved and protected by the government since 2015.

[Lyman the Lunatic]

I don't live in the US so I don't exactly know how prenuptial exactly works. I only heard stories about how American judges can simply void it.

In my case, it depends. If we have kids, no. Our properties will go to our children. We once loved each other enough to bring forth life, at the very least let us make sure our children succeed where we failed. I've been playing a lot of CK2 lately, I'm rather fancy the concept of primogeniture over gavelkind inheritance. But I know this is highly controversial so we'll cross that bridge once we get there.

If we are childless, then yes. You keep your stuff & I keep mine. Let preserve our honour by keeping the sneering eyes of the people from us that we use the government as thieves, proclaiming to the world our love never existed & it's all about worldly possessions. If we want to give or trade something after the marriage, we can still do it. 

I don't understand the need for government mandate on our lives like this.

[Clea Strange]

On 8/26/2021 at 7:46 PM, Lyman the Lunatic said:

I don't live in the US so I don't exactly know how prenuptial exactly works. I only heard stories about how American judges can simply void it.

In my case, it depends. If we have kids, no. Our properties will go to our children. We once loved each other enough to bring forth life, at the very least let us make sure our children succeed where we failed. I've been playing a lot of CK2 lately, I'm rather fancy the concept of primogeniture over gavelkind inheritance. But I know this is highly controversial so we'll cross that bridge once we get there.

If we are childless, then yes. You keep your stuff & I keep mine. Let preserve our honour by keeping the sneering eyes of the people from us that we use the government as thieves, proclaiming to the world our love never existed & it's all about worldly possessions. If we want to give or trade something after the marriage, we can still do it. 

I don't understand the need for government mandate on our lives like this.

 

Same here I live in the US and I hear stories of how prenuptial agreements mean absolutely nothing. That the judges will void it and give the woman everything. Or if not everything then most of the money/property/kids (if their is any) etc while the man loses everything or close to it and loses custody of the kids and has to pay child support.

 

Not sure about the other countries though 

[Guest]

On 8/27/2021 at 4:46 AM, Lyman the Lunatic said:

I don't understand the need for government mandate on our lives like this.

>If people wouldn't be rotten and if they easily agree and build their lives on love and trust, many government offices wouldn't be needed

[AKM]

On 8/31/2021 at 7:52 AM, EvalovesEP said:

>If people wouldn't be rotten and if they easily agree and build their lives on love and trust, many government offices wouldn't be needed

It's not about being rotten, it's about personal resource acquisition and making sure you're taken care of (as a female). 

Fact #1: The government/state can provide women infinitely more money than any single man ever could. 

Fact #2: That government money comes with none of the stings attached that any sane man would attach when giving a woman his money.  Things like directives as to how NOT to waste it i.e. what it can and can not be spent on, etc., as well as requirements for other things in exchange for said money,  The government/state, by forcing the man to pay, literally removes any say the man has in the use of HIS money.

Fact #3: The government/state has been telling U.S. women literally for generations (3, at minimum) that they don't need men for anything other than simple sperm donors.  Women, in enough numbers that it matters (perhaps not even a majority, but enough women) listened, and acted on that idea.
 

The difference between now and the past is that while in the past you might hear through the family whisperings of the divorced uncle who got drug through the divorce courts and "taken to the cleaners" by his ex wife, today, with the internet, you hear that sort of thing everywhere. 

The last time I heard someone, in person, talk about prenups, it was a woman in their mid to late 40's, at best, speaking of their grandchildren, and how THEY (the 40 year old) wouldn't even consider getting married in today's world without a prenup.  Obviously, she still had faith in them.

Me?  As mentioned in a previous post, they're toilet paper.  Absolutely worthless and a waste of time.  The government has gotten so strong and invasive that she can simply say something in passing, unknowing of the consequences, and have that prenup annulled.  Case in point:  Plenty of cases of a vindictive woman saying that 'Oh, the guy abused the kids!', only to have the government/state come swooping in to the rescue of said kids, and consequently putting them through absolute hell of questioning, physical exams, tests, etc..  And when the woman discovers the truth of what the statement means, she tries to rescind it, take it back, as if it was never said, to which the state's response is: 'NOPE!  Too bad.  The kid's well being takes precedence!'... even though both the workers and the woman can see just how much harm this is actually doing to the innocent children.