Patreon Only?

[JRICH604]

Not really up to speed on current similar sites but I know KO-FI allows for single one time donations. Although I dont use Pat, I am happy there are patrons that are able to support the site and its nice they get some little perks from that. For those that may have lower unreliable income recurring anything no matter amount can be stressful. While I cant always do it when a have some xtra its nice to be able to toss it to stuff I like. So there is no confusion I personally dont give a damn about perks or rewards and do not see that it should be an alternate way to get what Patrons get. I like to think there would be atleast a few other members here that would take advantage of that and do not need any kickback other then knowing they were able to help a little for something they use and like

 

Edited to clarify this is for donating to the site via the Help Support Loverlab that currently only lists Patreon as an option

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by JRICH604

[Eruthian]

Tbh I am not a big fan of modders towing their stuff to patreon. For me, modding is a hobby. If I`d start uploading some stuff (which might happen, as I`m slowly getting better at it), I`d do it for free. I just doubt, that portals like Nexus or LL will be there anymore in the near future. We`re digging our own graves. Getting money for something, you do recreational seems stupid. Also turning the modding community into an industry seems really wrong to me. Another fact, that some modders might not recognize is, how expensive you make mods for average users. Ofc, you only want a small ammount of money for accessing your mods, right? No! You bind the modusers into a monthly abbonement. Most likely for just one damn mod. If that mods happen to depend on another mod, that you have to pay for, well shit! Things are adding up and suddently modding is getting a really expensive thing. I remember, when Bethesda introduced their damn Creators Club. Probably the one cursed thing that opened Pandora`s Box, but anyways. Everyone was bragging about, ho Betheda is selling mods (for a one time fee, not a bloody monthly abbo!), that you can get for free in much better quality. It was one of the steppingstones, that ultimatly killed Bethesda as an independet game studio. I am seeing the same patterns now with the modding community. Falling appart over ownership questions and, let`s face it, pure greed.

[JRICH604]

@EruthianTo clarify this is for donating to the site via the Help Support Loverlab that only lists Patreon not mods hosted on it. It costs money to keep this up for everyone here

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, JRICH604 said:

@EruthianTo clarify this is for donating to the site via the Help Support Loverlab that only lists Patreon not mods hosted on it. It costs money to keep this up for everyone here

You can still do your donation for a single month with the amount you want.

You do it on Patreon and the remove it the first day of the next month.

 

I do not remember if this patreon gets immediately the money or waits for the begin of the month.

First case, you can remove the patreon the next day, latter case you have to wait the begin of next month.

[Locuturus]

19 minutes ago, Eruthian said:

Tbh I am not a big fan of modders towing their stuff to patreon. For me, modding is a hobby. If I`d start uploading some stuff (which might happen, as I`m slowly getting better at it), I`d do it for free. I just doubt, that portals like Nexus or LL will be there anymore in the near future. We`re digging our own graves. Getting money for something, you do recreational seems stupid. Also turning the modding community into an industry seems really wrong to me. Another fact, that some modders might not recognize is, how expensive you make mods for average users. Ofc, you only want a small ammount of money for accessing your mods, right? No! You bind the modusers into a monthly abbonement. Most likely for just one damn mod. If that mods happen to depend on another mod, that you have to pay for, well shit! Things are adding up and suddently modding is getting a really expensive thing. I remember, when Bethesda introduced their damn Creators Club. Probably the one cursed thing that opened Pandora`s Box, but anyways. Everyone was bragging about, ho Betheda is selling mods (for a one time fee, not a bloody monthly abbo!), that you can get for free in much better quality. It was one of the steppingstones, that ultimatly killed Bethesda as an independet game studio. I am seeing the same patterns now with the modding community. Falling appart over ownership questions and, let`s face it, pure greed.

 

Ugh.. and when someone creates something beyond low effort? It's simple. If you don't support the modder, then you get less content. The donations are the underlying platform that enables the mod developer to have time to create the content. Please don't get it in other's minds that creating mods and running yourself ragged in the process is only a hobby. Donations are voluntary already. It's good as it can be.

[JRICH604]

15 minutes ago, CPU said:

You can still do your donation for a single month with the amount you want.

You do it on Patreon and the remove it the first day of the next month.

Thanks for suggesting that. Seeing as it is only way listed something to consider. Still feel having atleast one available alternative would be nice as Pat is really meant to be a fire and forget subscription for long term support and manually cancelling that seems a bit involved for those that just want to drop some quick spare $ for the here and now

[Locuturus]

18 minutes ago, JRICH604 said:

Thanks for suggesting that. Seeing as it is only way listed something to consider. Still feel having atleast one available alternative would be nice as Pat is really meant to be a fire and forget subscription for long term support and manually cancelling that seems a bit involved for those that just want to drop some quick spare $ for the here and now

I tend to believe that Patreon's not well suited for mods and video games as it can take a considerable amount of time to release something of high quality. A one-off donation site is better suited for the free content that I create, and it's very much like a tip jar where if someone wants to tip an amount, they can and if not then it is fine too. Having people donate recurring to the content you create puts a lot of pressure on a person, and it's always laughable when a subscriber cancels and takes back their whole one dollar because you didn't develop the feature they wanted themselves. That's not the type of childish behavior I want to deal with as it can burn you out fast and make you feel like stopping to create the content.

Overall, I've tipped LL in the past through Patreon, but I'd prefer a different method than Patreon too.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Locuturus

[Eruthian]

@JERICH604 I am aware, that it takes money to keep this, or any other site of that kind online. And I am also aware of why those kind of sites are full of commercial adds and cookies. And even I don`t like it, I can accept those adds and cookies for the purpous, they serve.

@Locuturus If alot of time and effort had been put into the mod, I was and always will be willing to give that modder something for it. But not via something like Patreon. Also you seem to not recognize, how far this is already going. For example, there are guys, that try to sell bloody face presets on Patreon. Or Followers. That just leaves me speechless, especially if their mods relie 100% on other mods.

I was a 100% mod consumer for years until I first started tweaking mods to my liking and then do some on my own. I created alot of followers or facepresets, weapons and stuff on my own. But I did it by using ressorces and only for myself. Huge frameworks, quests or models, animations and high quality textures deserve rewards or at least recognition. They are alot of work and sometimes a pain in the ass to create, I know that. But putting followers or facepresets on sale that took maximum three hours to create... hell no!

I am very sorry to sound so harsh, but I can`t keep my mouth shut about his anymore. It`s a shame, that my very first post here has to be a rant, sry

[DoctaSax]

The issue with a lot of financial services, especially the one-off kind, is that they don't like to be associated with porn, so they disallow themselves to be used for that. This is why we can't do Paypal for instance. Other factors also need taking into account, such as the cost of processing and transaction fees.

Then again, it's probably true that we haven't seriously looked into other methods recently, so feel free to suggest any.

[Psalam]

12 hours ago, CPU said:

You can still do your donation for a single month with the amount you want.

You do it on Patreon and the remove it the first day of the next month.

 

I do not remember if this patreon gets immediately the money or waits for the begin of the month.

First case, you can remove the patreon the next day, latter case you have to wait the begin of next month.

I've only done this once and that was over a year ago. At that point I had to wait a few days (10?) for the money to clear (I received that information from the person I gave the money to). At that point I closed my Patreon subscription. I had no issue with Patreon about this (in case someone thinks that they'd be upset). It did take a little talking to my bank because they were afraid that my account had been hacked. Overall, I found it a perfectly acceptable transaction.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Psalam said:

I've only done this once and that was over a year ago. At that point I had to wait a few days (10?) for the money to clear (I received that information from the person I gave the money to). At that point I closed my Patreon subscription. I had no issue with Patreon about this (in case someone thinks that they'd be upset). It did take a little talking to my bank because they were afraid that my account had been hacked. Overall, I found it a perfectly acceptable transaction.

For one-time payments I think Paypal is way better.

Single transaction, fully secure, very little transfer fees.

[davisev5225]

9 minutes ago, CPU said:

For one-time payments I think Paypal is way better.

Single transaction, fully secure, very little transfer fees.

 

I think PayPal has a policy that would prohibit LL from using it.  Specifically, there's a lot of "assault" or similar types of mods that depict ostensibly non-consensual sexual encounters.  (Ignore "minors" here, it's not relevant in this particular case.)

 

https://www.raconteur.net/finance/payments/sextech-payments/#:~:text=PayPal%2C for instance%2C allows the,content or products to minors”.

 

EDIT: That first link turns into a paywall after 1 minute.  Here's PayPal's own policy:

 

Quote

Prohibited Activities

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

 

2. ... (g) items that are considered obscene ... (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

 

That would seem to preclude LL from using it.

Edited August 12, 2021 by davisev5225

[pinky6225]

46 minutes ago, davisev5225 said:

 

I think PayPal has a policy that would prohibit LL from using it.  Specifically, there's a lot of "assault" or similar types of mods that depict ostensibly non-consensual sexual encounters.  (Ignore "minors" here, it's not relevant in this particular case.)

 

https://www.raconteur.net/finance/payments/sextech-payments/#:~:text=PayPal%2C for instance%2C allows the,content or products to minors”.

 

EDIT: That first link turns into a paywall after 1 minute.  Here's PayPal's own policy:

 

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

 

That would seem to preclude LL from using it.

 

Admittedly its a long time since i used paypal (since LL got a patreon) but direct transfer from one to another does not require a reason so i would doubt that would be affected by there T&C since they have no idea why person A is giving money to person B

 

The paypal T&C would more apply to someone making a store front/website that accepts paypal as a payment method

[Buridan]

2 hours ago, davisev5225 said:

 

I think PayPal has a policy that would prohibit LL from using it.  Specifically, there's a lot of "assault" or similar types of mods that depict ostensibly non-consensual sexual encounters.  (Ignore "minors" here, it's not relevant in this particular case.)

 

https://www.raconteur.net/finance/payments/sextech-payments/#:~:text=PayPal%2C for instance%2C allows the,content or products to minors”.

 

EDIT: That first link turns into a paywall after 1 minute.  Here's PayPal's own policy:

 

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

 

That would seem to preclude LL from using it.

 

Not just PayPal, Patreon has increasingly also clamped down on controversial themes like incest and nonconsent. Quite a few fetish games and comics have had to remove their noncon/incest content or move to another service like Subscribestar.