Private Needs

[Uhuru N'Uru]

Currently 3.0Alpha is, as I'm named it, an alpha, so I'm constantly tweaking and the existing stuff and adding in new stuff, so I cannot guarantee stability. However, the alpha should mess up your game or anything in theory. And yes you do need to complete uninstall 2.11 and do a clean save or preferably a new game. For the bowels in 2.11 you need to manually adjust the rate in which your bowels fill in the MCM menu. I've left the default as 0 for a reason that I can't quite remember now.

A request please update the file version when you do the adding in new stuff part, I'm not saying you don't do it already but editing the description page triggers the sites Last Updated mechanism as some authors do update files without version change, a user can never be sure if both file and description or just description has been updated. Even changing a single letter (Typo) causes this, I know it's really a site issue but knowing an author is following standard versioning methods helps.

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… so I cannot guarantee stability. However, the alpha should mess up your game or anything in theory. …

Always good to tell people their totally fucked up. Your open admittance that your real  aim is destoying our PC's is admirable.

or amazing how the word not can change the meaning of things.

No real problem We can guess the intended wording

 

 

I'd guess that the sexlab plugin still needs updating and Richard isn't going to do that until he has gotten out of alpha. The one I miss is tbucket.

 

That's not Richard's Mod so down to that Author to Update or if it's abandoned someone who really misses it to take over, though mod Makers are respected and in general they call the shots, sometimes RL catches up and they never return to the mod, don't respond to messages, just don't give a shit anymore. Stupid Nexus Lets good Mods die in these situations, not even allowing a compatibility patch to be created to keep mod up to date.

• Though some very well known modders are allowed to do this, Sharlikran's Jaysus Swords Patch remains up though he states it's without permission yet others get hidden, Not his fault of course, but one of the many double standards Nexus Has.
  • Dual Sheaf Redux Patch for Sharlrikran's version is even hidden because Jaysus Permission not given for ultimate double standards
• I'm Lifetime Premium Nexus Member, not a hater at all, doesn't mean I think it can do know wrong though,  it has many faults, I say so there as well as here, I believe the Lifetime Premium status gives me more freedom to do so, I would keep silent if ordinary member.

Back to here, try to get permission first but if all known means fail you can take the mod and fix it, make patch or use it as source of a remake.

You still credit the source, here theres no stiff rod of inflexibility stopping you, we have used all the stiff rods of inflexibility for much better things.

[tuxtuxtux]

Just a small request,  but it would be lovely if you could add installation instructions to the initial post.

Currently there is the stable 2.x, and then you have the new 3.x alpha.  But it's unclear unclear whether RND and DD are part of 3.x or 2.x or both, and whether  they are optional or required.

 

Just a short blurp could save anyone wanting to try this mod a lot of time having to search trough this now 80 page topic, or even just brute force what works.

 

Regardless of above, thanks for your work in making this mod. I've recently jumped on the ~immersion~ bandwagon, and it just adds a lot to the game. Default skyrim is mostly about the world itself, and it's really refreshing to install lots of mods to make the game more about the player or at least the character.

 

 

[Schrodinger's Trap]

 

I'm using Private Needs 2.1.1 it works well. But somehow in my game, the poop option no longer work. My PC can take a bath and piss but the bowel is always empty. So I no longer can't have poop.

 

I tried to disable the poop option and re-enable it but it still doesn't work. Do you have any idea how to solve this problem?

And one more thing, how do I upgrade to version 3 Alpha? Do I need to remove the mod, clear any script with script removing tool, and reinstall ver. 3?

 

Do I need to do that or wait till it's better? Please add the Installation tutorial at front page, especially regarding to upgrading to ver. 3 Alpha. 

Currently 3.0Alpha is, as I'm named it, an alpha, so I'm constantly tweaking and the existing stuff and adding in new stuff, so I cannot guarantee stability. However, the alpha should mess up your game or anything in theory. And yes you do need to complete uninstall 2.11 and do a clean save or preferably a new game. For the bowels in 2.11 you need to manually adjust the rate in which your bowels fill in the MCM menu. I've left the default as 0 for a reason that I can't quite remember now.

 

 

 

LOL. I meant shouldn't mess up your game.

 

[AwfulArchdemon]

 

Whoops!

[Kalthen]

Hi, I just tested the Alpha a bit and for my part it is still not playable. Switching back to 2.11 (it works like a charme). Looking forward to the new features. I don't really know what the weight thing is. Could be interesting. 

 

For me the outhouses don't work. And the T-Bucket is a must and I am too lazy to edit. Haven't checked the load order but I usually sort with Loot and everything works fine. Also my game gets a bit laggy. That could also be RND it does that for me on a heavy game. RND also doesn't seam to integrate. I thought you didn't need the patch (read it somewhere).

 

Keep up the work! One of my fav. immersion mods. Love to have some integration with SD. 

 

 

[Kalthen]

I forgot, the notification button also is not working. But I like the new messages. hehe very funny.

[bruce142]

For the next alpha/beta version of Private Needs 3.0, could you please add the sliders back, so we could modify bladder size/bladder points, bowel size/bowel points, dirt stages? Also by using console commands, I have managed to get my character dirty and the visuals do work but the player couldn't get dirty herself/himself over time as the HygienePoints didn't grow fast enough (did try to play with the hygiene points slider but with no noticeable result).

[Schrodinger's Trap]

For the next alpha/beta version of Private Needs 3.0, could you please add the sliders back, so we could modify bladder size/bladder points, bowel size/bowel points, dirt stages? Also by using console commands, I have managed to get my character dirty and the visuals do work but the player couldn't get dirty herself/himself over time as the HygienePoints didn't grow fast enough (did try to play with the hygiene points slider but with no noticeable result).

Yes, Sliders will be back in the next alpha version and as I've mentioned in previous posts, hygiene is already fixed and awaiting release for the next version.

 

On a side note, I plan to do something about vampirism and my current thoughts are, if the player is a vampire, then there will be no bowel movement since blood, well is just a liquid assuming the player isn't eating coagulated blood, but I'm wondering if I should try to make the player urinate blood coloured urine. Please post your ideas and suggestions.

 

[Generic dude]

 

For the next alpha/beta version of Private Needs 3.0, could you please add the sliders back, so we could modify bladder size/bladder points, bowel size/bowel points, dirt stages? Also by using console commands, I have managed to get my character dirty and the visuals do work but the player couldn't get dirty herself/himself over time as the HygienePoints didn't grow fast enough (did try to play with the hygiene points slider but with no noticeable result).

Yes, Sliders will be back in the next alpha version and as I've mentioned in previous posts, hygiene is already fixed and awaiting release for the next version.

 

On a side note, I plan to do something about vampirism and my current thoughts are, if the player is a vampire, then there will be no bowel movement since blood, well is just a liquid assuming the player isn't eating coagulated blood, but I'm wondering if I should try to make the player urinate blood coloured urine. Please post your ideas and suggestions.

 

Can i have some TP? TP for my bunghole?.

[Schrodinger's Trap]

 

 

For the next alpha/beta version of Private Needs 3.0, could you please add the sliders back, so we could modify bladder size/bladder points, bowel size/bowel points, dirt stages? Also by using console commands, I have managed to get my character dirty and the visuals do work but the player couldn't get dirty herself/himself over time as the HygienePoints didn't grow fast enough (did try to play with the hygiene points slider but with no noticeable result).

Yes, Sliders will be back in the next alpha version and as I've mentioned in previous posts, hygiene is already fixed and awaiting release for the next version.

 

On a side note, I plan to do something about vampirism and my current thoughts are, if the player is a vampire, then there will be no bowel movement since blood, well is just a liquid assuming the player isn't eating coagulated blood, but I'm wondering if I should try to make the player urinate blood coloured urine. Please post your ideas and suggestions.

 

Can i have some TP? TP for my bunghole?.

 

Toilet paper has been added and will be in the next release.

 

[Galacticat42]

It's excellent to see you're back, richard. I have a recommendation for you - I know that you've been working on a standalone eat/drink portion of the mod as you said you did and would have tie-ins to RND. However, with RND no longer being supported and many RND users going over to iNeed, would it either be possible to tie-in with iNeed or borrow parts of its' (as I've heard it) very efficient code for eat/drink/sleeping? The reason i ask is because after converting to iNeed from RND, I noticed some 100 ms decrease in papyrus response time (using Conventient Horses' tool).

[Schrodinger's Trap]

It's excellent to see you're back, richard. I have a recommendation for you - I know that you've been working on a standalone eat/drink portion of the mod as you said you did and would have tie-ins to RND. However, with RND no longer being supported and many RND users going over to iNeed, would it either be possible to tie-in with iNeed or borrow parts of its' (as I've heard it) very efficient code for eat/drink/sleeping? The reason i ask is because after converting to iNeed from RND, I noticed some 100 ms decrease in papyrus response time (using Conventient Horses' tool).

I'll take a look at iNeed and perhaps start a poll on what eat/drink/sleeping mod is the most popular with LL users.

 

Edit: I've made a poll for eat/drink/sleeping mods. Regardless of the outcome though I will eventually make a dedicated Private Needs eat/drink/sleeping mod. However, should the outcome be that most users want a dedicated Private Needs eat/drink/sleeping mod. Then I'll shift priorities and move that to the top of the list. By that I mean try and finish the dedicated eat/drink/sleeping section within the next few alpha releases. Otherwise, integration with other eat/drink/sleeping mods such as RND or iNeed will be done after I complete and stabilize 3.0.

[tryguy]

Richard, have you seen this mod? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29025/?

 

I noticed it some time ago, but I still haven't tried it in game to see how it played. What attracted me to it was the bathing part of it. Since you duplicate that in your own mod, I'm thinking it's not something you need to double up on. but, I liked how had consequences for when you were dirty. You could have the same happen, except it might incorporate sexual attractiveness as well.

 

There's currently a mod called SexLab Attraction that you might be able to tie in to how people perceive you in terms of cleanliness.

 

Anyway, just thought I'd bring it up since there's a discussion going on. I don't currenly play with any needs mods, since I got sick of spending all my money just keeping from starving last time I played (I had it so that food in barrels was rotten and such. I was pretty touch keeping up with water and food... /all my money.../). So, I think a simple system for needs would be great. Though, I might give iNeed a go. Not sure yet.

[bruce142]

I voted for Realistic Needs and Diseases. I'm hoping for a more integrated approach than with the 2.11 version, especially the last part "Diseases". Maybe you could get "the runs"/diarrhea if you eat spoiled/uncooked food. Also I think constipation should be a disease as well and not a withdraw for not relieving your bowels in time (maybe a "shit your pants" option for this similar to the "wet yourself" option?). Also it would be amazing if you could integrate a digestive system similar to the Baked Beans of Skyrim mod that would increase bladder and bowels on the basis of what you eat or drink (eg. if you drink 7 bottles of water, your bladder gets really full quick).

 

Also I have a question for richard19840706 : I'm currently working on a modern bathroom modder resource named Stroti Bathroom (adult only, you'll have to login into Skyrim Nexus to view) and I'm making the mod compatible with your Private Needs mod. I've finished the toilet (which cleans any instances of excrement in a radius of 100 when flushed using the Game.FindRandomReferenceOfTypeFromRef Papyrus script command) with actual water level rising and lowering. I'm still working on the bathtub (also with water level rising and lowering), if the player activates the bath, he/she will lay naked in the bathtub for a couple of seconds while the water level rises.

 

My question is how do I "clean" the dirty visuals? I already used hygienepoints.SetValue(0) in the script but dirty visuals do not update, is this fixed in the next version of Private Needs or do I have to use another Papyrus Script command?

 

 

Edit : Nevermind, I've found the RemovehygieneSpells() function in your PrivateNeedsBathingUtilityScript, which works beautifully.

[Generic dude]

 

 

 

For the next alpha/beta version of Private Needs 3.0, could you please add the sliders back, so we could modify bladder size/bladder points, bowel size/bowel points, dirt stages? Also by using console commands, I have managed to get my character dirty and the visuals do work but the player couldn't get dirty herself/himself over time as the HygienePoints didn't grow fast enough (did try to play with the hygiene points slider but with no noticeable result).

Yes, Sliders will be back in the next alpha version and as I've mentioned in previous posts, hygiene is already fixed and awaiting release for the next version.

 

On a side note, I plan to do something about vampirism and my current thoughts are, if the player is a vampire, then there will be no bowel movement since blood, well is just a liquid assuming the player isn't eating coagulated blood, but I'm wondering if I should try to make the player urinate blood coloured urine. Please post your ideas and suggestions.

 

Can i have some TP? TP for my bunghole?.

 

Toilet paper has been added and will be in the next release.

 

How it will work?, do you can't relive yourself without it or you can relieve but your dirtiness will be increased

[aqqh]

Voted for dedicated one - if you ll go into details like merging private needs with some use of devious devices or some sexlab mods/frameworks or whatever then none of mods that comes from nexus supports them in any way.

Sometime they even conflict - mentioned Drink eat... mod unequips all devious devices during bath for example.

 

So if your goal is to make your own and no longer supprort any of those later - i would say focus on it right away.

[just_Gina]

There are two needs mods I could never play without any more. Private Needs and Drink, Eat, Sleep and Bathe. I love both.  

A single mod for all basic needs would be appreciated. Even more so if it is highly configurable.

When you make a dedicated food and sleep mod, I will happily use it.

[tryguy]

There are two needs mods I could never play without any more. Private Needs and Drink, Eat, Sleep and Bathe. I love both.  

A single mod for all basic needs would be appreciated. Even more so if it is highly configurable.

When you make a dedicated food and sleep mod, I will happily use it.

 

Hey, so how do the hygiene bits of the two mods work together? Or do you leave PN's hygiene off? I'm tempted to try this combination, but I'm really not sure how they might interact if I did turn hygiene on.

[aqqh]

You can turn it off in either of those mods. I would recommend leaving private needs hygiene on - some of PN soaps give you boosts, and there is no such thing in DESB.

[tryguy]

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

[NicoleDragoness]

Just downloaded and installed PN v3.0Alpha after I've unistalled the previous 2.11 one (of course, I disabled every feature in game - then saved - exit - unistalled every single file - ran fnis tool - entered game - check some time - saved - exit - installed new 3.0 + DD plugin - ran fnis tool -entered game - check all - set my own hotkeys).

 

I found out a couple of problems, at least in my system:

 

1. I changed hotkeys and the one to check needs do absolutely nothing, even if I was notified about "a little pressure in my groin".

 

2. Using one of the Strotis Outdoor does nothing too. The animation doesn't start. (btw, using the PN hotkey to relieve works but then I'm "locked" inside the toilet - need to use TCL command to exit).

 

Finally, a very personal suggestion:

I use a lot of custom armors with several separated pieces. I NEED to have at least two (or more) slots enabled to be undressed. In the specific, slot 53 and 60.

Could this be possible in next future?

 

EDIT.

Argh! I found a TERRIFIC problem! With PN 3.0 installed I loose EVERY keyboard command (except W,A,S,D for movements) AND mouse buttons. No longer able to do almost anything, no weapons drawn, no fight, no choices with favourites menu nor quick magic menu.

Very, very, dangerous.

Immediately disabled the mod and its plugin, I regained full control of everything. So, it's this mod. Please check and/or tell me everything you need from me to help (load order, versions and so on). By now, I can list the main things:

- Skyrim 1.9.32.08

- Dawnguard + Dragonborn + Unofficial patches (v 2.0.3).

- SKSE 1.7.0

- FNIS 5.0.2 + CreaturePack 5.0.2 (NO spells, behaviours only)

- SkyUI 4.1 + MCM

- RND

- SexLab 1.39b + some related mods.

 

PS: my Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPref.ini are set as "read only" files.

[just_Gina]

I leave PN off

 

There are two needs mods I could never play without any more. Private Needs and Drink, Eat, Sleep and Bathe. I love both.  

A single mod for all basic needs would be appreciated. Even more so if it is highly configurable.

When you make a dedicated food and sleep mod, I will happily use it.

 

Hey, so how do the hygiene bits of the two mods work together? Or do you leave PN's hygiene off? I'm tempted to try this combination, but I'm really not sure how they might interact if I did turn hygiene on.

 

 

[bruce142]

Just downloaded and installed PN v3.0Alpha after I've unistalled the previous 2.11 one (of course, I disabled every feature in game - then saved - exit - unistalled every single file - ran fnis tool - entered game - check some time - saved - exit - installed new 3.0 + DD plugin - ran fnis tool -entered game - check all - set my own hotkeys).

 

I found out a couple of problems, at least in my system:

 

1. I changed hotkeys and the one to check needs do absolutely nothing, even if I was notified about "a little pressure in my groin".

 

2. Using one of the Strotis Outdoor does nothing too. The animation doesn't start. (btw, using the PN hotkey to relieve works but then I'm "locked" inside the toilet - need to use TCL command to exit).

 

Finally, a very personal suggestion:

I use a lot of custom armors with several separated pieces. I NEED to have at least two (or more) slots enabled to be undressed. In the specific, slot 53 and 60.

Could this be possible in next future?

 

EDIT.

Argh! I found a TERRIFIC problem! With PN 3.0 installed I loose EVERY keyboard command (except W,A,S,D for movements) AND mouse buttons. No longer able to do almost anything, no weapons drawn, no fight, no choices with favourites menu nor quick magic menu.

Very, very, dangerous.

Immediately disabled the mod and its plugin, I regained full control of everything. So, it's this mod. Please check and/or tell me everything you need from me to help (load order, versions and so on). By now, I can list the main things:

- Skyrim 1.9.32.08

- Dawnguard + Dragonborn + Unofficial patches (v 2.0.3).

- SKSE 1.7.0

- FNIS 5.0.2 + CreaturePack 5.0.2 (NO spells, behaviours only)

- SkyUI 4.1 + MCM

- RND

- SexLab 1.39b + some related mods.

 

PS: my Skyrim.ini and SkyrimPref.ini are set as "read only" files.

 

Sexlab is not required, but SKSE and SkyUI, FNIS and Zazanimationpack is required, also install the latest alpha and reapply the GenerateFNISforUsers application. I also noticed the "check needs" hotkey button no longer working but the "urinate/defecate" hotkey works. I can't replicate the loss of keyboard command as I use a Wireless Xbox 360 Controller for Windows myself and I have no issues with the PN 3.0 version. Try to reset the hotkeys to esc again to see if this fixes the issue. The "Outhouse of Skyrim" mod is outdated because it uses the old master plugin "PrivateNeeds.esp" and not the new master plugin "PrivateNeedsNew.esp", so it doesn't work anymore.

 

I've attached a replacement esp with no scripts and no dependencies below (used Ithlia's outdoor design from her Cabin of Riverwood/Falkreath mod, all credits must go to her), use the "urinate/defecate" hotkey when you are seated, the locations of the outhouses are the same as with the "Outhouse of Skyrim" mod (but with two extra outhouses, one in Markarth and one near Anise's Cabin with a pull chain which activates a trap door inside the latrine itself for cleaning the waste gathered after use), disable the "Stroti Outhouse modding resource" as they might conflict with this little mod. Works with both the 2.11 version and 3.0 version.

 

Edit : Outdated version of outhouse mod removed, please download the latest version here.

[NicoleDragoness]

Forgot to list but, of course, I have the latest ZAZ Animation Pack installed. I had the previous PrivateNeeds 2.11 installed before and perfectly working, so ...

 

Understood the problem with Stroti's Outdoor, thanks. I'll try your file soon.

Just a question. Stroti's stuffs are only meshes and texture, no ESP files for me. Should I delete these meshes and textures?

 

The problem to reassign hotkeys to the default ESC was, in my case, that I had no longer use of mouse or almost all keys of the keyboard. No way to "reach" the two hotkeys and change them in the MCM. In fact, in my keyboard, only few keys were still functional, like W,A,S,D,ESC, numbers and few others. Space, Tab, R, M, for example, were not.

[bruce142]

Yes, uninstall the meshes and textures, because when testing my mod with these enabled, the Stroti's Outdoor toilets would show up where ever Ithilia's did (I don't know why because I checked the ESP and there was no outhouse in it and Outhouses of Skyrim was disabled). Also it's very important that  you install the latest ZAZ Animation Pack as some bugs have been fixed including a peeing bug. Please understand that this 3.0 version is an alpha version so a lot of bugs can happen on different Skyrim configurations. Try loading a previous save (before installing the 3.0 version) and reconfigure the mod. I use the "U" button as hotkey for "Urinate/Defecate" and "P" button for "Check Private Needs".