Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[Good Provider]

4 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

I am not sure what you're talking about here. Transition from DoM to sold?

 

Also there is no such thing as "hate" feeling. You need to describe better the setting.

 

When a slave leaves the PaHe list such as when she is set free, told to turn tricks, sold to another NPC, handed off to AYGET or HSH, etc, She is suddenly very rude to the player.  The behavior matches the behavior I see in a normal NPC if I had attacked them and set the hate flag.  It just occurred to me that this could be caused by the DoM code releasing the NPC back to a different set of code. That hate/love code was registering all the abuse and setting its own internal state to hate, but was being suppressed.

 

Are you updating the https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Disposition value? 

 

Since I started with Immersion & Adult collection, another suspect is ORomance. 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Good Provider

[bnub345]

21 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

Would it be possible to have the paired animations toggle collisions for their durations, kind of like SexLab? As far as I can tell, if you use a collision mod like Precision, the NPC can get pushed around during the animation, like the body inspect animation usually shoves the NPC like 5 feet away when my player character moves his arms. SexLab anims perform just fine however, I'm not sure what the difference is.

 

Are you using a newer version of precision? I noticed this problem on the early versions, but then the author changed how ragdolls were affected and I stopped having problems with DoM animations. 

[TrollAutokill]

6 hours ago, Good Provider said:

 

When a slave leaves the PaHe list such as when she is set free, told to turn tricks, sold to another NPC, handed off to AYGET or HSH, etc, She is suddenly very rude to the player.  The behavior matches the behavior I see in a normal NPC if I had attacked them and set the hate flag.  It just occurred to me that this could be caused by the DoM code releasing the NPC back to a different set of code. That hate/love code was registering all the abuse and setting its own internal state to hate, but was being suppressed.

 

Are you updating the https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Disposition value? 

 

Since I started with Immersion & Adult collection, another suspect is ORomance. 

 

Thanks that's much clearer  The relationship rank is updated yes. Maybe it can be smoothed, I will take a closer look.

 

As released slaves are not handled by DoM/PAHE anymore, we would need a new quest to overwrite some of the basic dialogues to take that into account and that would create conflicts. I'll prefer to leave it to the mod taking care of tricks or aygas, HSH...

Edited October 6, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[Furflz]

I've been using this mod for a while and I'm not sure if it's just not installed right or I'm not looking in the right locations but DoM doesn't seem to recognize that I'm a vampire or give me any special commands for my slave such as to feed upon them.  Are there any options for that or anything planned for additional interactions for Vampire players?

I would think having a vampire as a master who regularly feeds upon you would absolutely terrify a slave and have a variety of effects such as much faster submission and resignation training.  I would imagine a vampire's seductive attraction and mesmerizing abilities could have similar effects to the various potions.   Feeding would greatly increase submission/resignation particularly following a rape.  There could be various conversation options such as "mesmerize" to get them to fall in love with you temporarily or "instill fear" putting them into a shocked + afraid state.  And perhaps a "dominate mind" option which temporarily puts the slave in a "broken" state. Being in a vampire lord state would instantly instill fear responses in all slaves that witness it. etc.

At first slaves would be absolutely terrified of their vampire master and do anything they could to escape but as you train them more and they get closer to "falling in love" they would become captivated mentally by their vampire master and would crave to be fed upon.   Once all training areas are 100% they would essentially become your thrall and never fall out of love, following you and obeying you unquestioningly like other thralls in the game even if it means you sending them to their death.  

Thralls would have a variety of additional abilities such as being able to assign them to guard or patrol an area,  Train other slaves, or act as a thug. 

The slaves could even beg the player to "please master... make me like you! I want to be a creature of the night! I want to follow you forever!"  and you could turn them into a fledgling vampire follower (which functionally would be a permanently in love vampire slave follower who can also be commanded to perform trainer or thug duties.)  

Anyway just food for thought as I love your mod but I feel like a lot is missing when I play my vampire character.... Like they don't even recognize that I'm a red eyed monster that views them as entertaining little blood bags that are fun to play with. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Sku11M0nkey

[InsanityFactor]

5 hours ago, bnub345 said:

 

Are you using a newer version of precision? I noticed this problem on the early versions, but then the author changed how ragdolls were affected and I stopped having problems with DoM animations. 

I was using 1.1.7, and just upgraded to 1.1.8 and it's slightly better actually, the kissing animation works fine now, but the body inspection animation still sends them a few feet away. 

 

Any other ideas? Were you able to fix it entirely?

[TrollAutokill]

1 hour ago, Sku11M0nkey said:

I've been using this mod for a while and I'm not sure if it's just not installed right or I'm not looking in the right locations but DoM doesn't seem to recognize that I'm a vampire or give me any special commands for my slave such as to feed upon them.  Are there any options for that or anything planned for additional interactions for Vampire players?

I would think having a vampire as a master who regularly feeds upon you would absolutely terrify a slave and have a variety of effects such as much faster submission and resignation training.  I would imagine a vampire's seductive attraction and mesmerizing abilities could have similar effects to the various potions.   Feeding would greatly increase submission/resignation particularly following a rape.  There could be various conversation options such as "mesmerize" to get them to fall in love with you temporarily or "instill fear" putting them into a shocked + afraid state.  And perhaps a "dominate mind" option which temporarily puts the slave in a "broken" state. Being in a vampire lord state would instantly instill fear responses in all slaves that witness it. etc.

At first slaves would be absolutely terrified of their vampire master and do anything they could to escape but as you train them more and they get closer to "falling in love" they would become captivated mentally by their vampire master and would crave to be fed upon.   Once all training areas are 100% they would essentially become your thrall and never fall out of love, following you and obeying you unquestioningly like other thralls in the game even if it means you sending them to their death.  

Thralls would have a variety of additional abilities such as being able to assign them to guard or patrol an area,  Train other slaves, or act as a thug. 

The slaves could even beg the player to "please master... make me like you! I want to be a creature of the night! I want to follow you forever!"  and you could turn them into a fledgling vampire follower (which functionally would be a permanently in love vampire slave follower who can also be commanded to perform trainer or thug duties.)  

Anyway just food for thought as I love your mod but I feel like a lot is missing when I play my vampire character.... Like they don't even recognize that I'm a red eyed monster that views them as entertaining little blood bags that are fun to play with. 

Thanks for the suggestions. While some of them are on my todo list, the vampire part would need a full addon and is unlikely to come anytime soon as I don't play a vampire very often.

 

[banditguy]

11 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Mood swing can be annoying and might need further tweaking

Yes please tweak it...as i said, slaves realistically shouldnt get angry at you when you punish them. They should only be feeling afraid and sad.

I suggest you change the moods in such a way that it doesnt just immediately change when you do something to a slave, but instead slowly changes from one mood from another. For example, if your slave is currently angry at you, when you sufficiently whip them, they will become afraid or sad, and keep that mood for a while, even if you keep whipping them. When they get angry at you while you whip them, that makes zero sense. Honestly slaves should only get angry when you scold them or order them to do degrading things.

[TrollAutokill]

5 hours ago, banditguy said:

Yes please tweak it...as i said, slaves realistically shouldnt get angry at you when you punish them. They should only be feeling afraid and sad.

I suggest you change the moods in such a way that it doesnt just immediately change when you do something to a slave, but instead slowly changes from one mood from another. For example, if your slave is currently angry at you, when you sufficiently whip them, they will become afraid or sad, and keep that mood for a while, even if you keep whipping them. When they get angry at you while you whip them, that makes zero sense. Honestly slaves should only get angry when you scold them or order them to do degrading things.

They don't get angry when you hurt them. But each hit increases the mood check counter. This counter is normally increased at each tick. So with every hit you get closer to the mood check. The mood check then uses personality and training to find the next mood or stay on the same mood. If you want your slaves to move away from the angry mood, focus on anger training (punish them every tine they get angry by selecting the angry reason with the dialogue or the wheel) and they will never get angry again. If you want them to change mood faster, hit them more to force the mood check.

 

Unless you're speaking about jealousy. In this case, which only applies to loving slaves, you can just turn this mood off, in the MCM debug menu. Same for depression.

Edited October 6, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[bnub345]

8 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

I was using 1.1.7, and just upgraded to 1.1.8 and it's slightly better actually, the kissing animation works fine now, but the body inspection animation still sends them a few feet away. 

 

Any other ideas? Were you able to fix it entirely?

 

I no longer have any problems at all. Check the Misc tab on the MCM, you can set the distance that ragdoll effects are enabled. Mine are 3500 and 4500.

[banditguy]

3 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

They don't get angry when you hurt them. But each hit increases the mood check counter. This counter is normally increased at each tick. So with every hit you get closer to the mood check. The mood check then uses personality and training to find the next mood or stay on the same mood. If you want your slaves to move away from the angry mood, focus on anger training (punish them every tine they get angry by selecting the angry reason with the dialogue or the wheel) and they will never get angry again. If you want them to change mood faster, hit them more to force the mood check.

 

Unless you're speaking about jealousy. In this case, which only applies to loving slaves, you can just turn this mood off, in the MCM debug menu. Same for depression.

I must disagree when you say they dont get angry when you hit them. Almost every time i capture a fresh slave, and i start to punish them, their mood rapidly switches from scared or terrified to angry. They even insult me in the middle of the whipping session. So if it is possible, could you please restrict how angry slaves get. Im emphasising that they should be terrified of the whip, and therefore they shouldnt get angry.

Another thing i have to mention is, after updating to the latest version, slaves tend to cool down much faster. After spending a long time punishing a slave till shes broken, only about 6 or 7 in game hours later, they return to a neutral state. Any way to change that? Thanks.

[sidfu1]

is anyone elses entertain me option for slaves broken? when i ell them to entetain me they always go and use pahe hand ties animation instead of one of the gs poses.

yeah something wrong with animations. here in this picture one is touch yourself kneeling and other is  touch yourself standing. dont get whats wrong only the inspections work  right now

 

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update.
i seem to have kinda found the trigger maybe for the issue.
basically if you tell a slave that is waiting to entertain you they go into the pahe tied pose but if a slave is following you and you tell them to entertain you then they do the correct pose.

Edited October 6, 2022 by sidfu1

[TrollAutokill]

2 hours ago, sidfu1 said:

is anyone elses entertain me option for slaves broken? when i ell them to entetain me they always go and use pahe hand ties animation instead of one of the gs poses.

yeah something wrong with animations. here in this picture one is touch yourself kneeling and other is  touch yourself standing. dont get whats wrong only the inspections work  right now

 

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update.
i seem to have kinda found the trigger maybe for the issue.
basically if you tell a slave that is waiting to entertain you they go into the pahe tied pose but if a slave is following you and you tell them to entertain you then they do the correct pose.

WhIch version are you using?

[sidfu1]

using the newest version. i reinstalled it and re ran fnis to make sure. and still same. its possible its something with upgrading a existing game maybe.
i started this game with the 3.2 versions. i sikped 3.2.2 so i went from 3.2.1 to 3.2.3

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by sidfu1

[Khe]

On 10/5/2022 at 9:17 AM, CliftonJD said:

try a reboot from the status button in pahe main page

so we need import/export of the whistle and a means for resetting the whistle and mark keys?

got a migraine of scale -"kill me" out of 10- yesterday, so yesterday wasn't playable (I was literally blind most of the day) and looks like today won't be either (vision still spotty in one eye), i'll have to remember to try the reboot later.

 

Yes, a means to export/import whistle, and more importantly reset BOTH keys, biiiig need. I typically only use the whistle for debug things, and don't currently play with anything that enables multi-key hotkeys (is that even a thing?) so keyspace is pretty limited. Got sexlab, cobbs positioner, various easy wheel menus to try and REDUCE keyspace usage...

[Khe]

49 minutes ago, sidfu1 said:

using the newest version. i reinstalled it and re ran fnis to make sure. and still same. its possible its something with upgrading a existing game maybe.
i started this game with the 3.2 versions. i sikped 3.2.2 so i went from 3.2.1 to 3.2.3

 

think I had something similar from upgrading at one point. had to untie then retie. because they "forgot" what pose they were in. might be worth ye old 'turn the problem pose on and off again'

[InsanityFactor]

6 hours ago, bnub345 said:

 

I no longer have any problems at all. Check the Misc tab on the MCM, you can set the distance that ragdoll effects are enabled. Mine are 3500 and 4500.

Ok nice, I will try that. Thanks.

[InsanityFactor]

1 hour ago, sidfu1 said:

using the newest version. i reinstalled it and re ran fnis to make sure. and still same. its possible its something with upgrading a existing game maybe.
i started this game with the 3.2 versions. i sikped 3.2.2 so i went from 3.2.1 to 3.2.3

 

I have this too on the latest version, they do it for most of the poses: display, entertain, attention, etc. If you tell them to do it again it fixes itself, but on the first try they usually do that. 

[TrollAutokill]

6 minutes ago, InsanityFactor said:

I have this too on the latest version, they do it for most of the poses: display, entertain, attention, etc. If you tell them to do it again it fixes itself, but on the first try they usually do that. 

I'll check but it might be some old code laying there in the save game. Try to tie, untie, pose, unpose it should reset the values to something more correct.

[sidfu1]

il take and try to move them over into HSH and such then reset PAHE when no slaves in it and see if that helps. ive already tried everything short of resetting slave and i tend to save that for last

[TrollAutokill]

3 minutes ago, sidfu1 said:

il take and try to move them over into HSH and such then reset PAHE when no slaves in it and see if that helps. ive already tried everything short of resetting slave and i tend to save that for last

Just try with one slave, it should be enough to check if it solves the problem as it is in the slave script.

[sidfu1]

no luck it still doing it. when i get a fresh slave ill see if they doing it.

[Khe]

right, follow-up to earlier...rebooting PAH did NOT fix the 'every slave is listed male' problem. it also lost all but my first 3 slaves in transit and the other 8 got pushed into a broken state. so definitely reverting save, lol

edit: later...finally visited drelas' place. found out that one of the things Wrye Bash was complaining about was the entries for the bewitching table, and had to re-add teh missing textures. lol. Kimli's hair combined with her face make her look...out of place, kinda like an anime character. and...that 'mind break' potion needs a typo fix: "slave wilpower" -> "slave's willpower"

Edited October 7, 2022 by Khe
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[TrollAutokill]

8 hours ago, sidfu1 said:

no luck it still doing it. when i get a fresh slave ill see if they doing it.

That's a bug introduced in the last update. It will be fixed next update.

Edited October 7, 2022 by TrollAutokill

[sidfu1]

buhahah wake up and look
"ohh he fixed it" so hit download and its instantly gone as he removed it

[TrollAutokill]

Version 3.2.4 is out. This is a development version. Stable version is 2.12.2

 

 - Corrected bug in which poses were never registered.

 - Tuned down arousal.

 - More kiss options but most animations are not playing with the right angle between actors.

Edited October 7, 2022 by TrollAutokill