Diary Of Mine for Paradise Halls

[lostlegends]

4 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

For next version I would like to fine-tune the training process which I believe is still a bit too fast.

 

Well that depends on what you are trying to do! If you just want a few slaves, yes it would be quite fast. However I am currently trying to do a playthrough based on Musje's Aygas which is already almost impossibly slow. If you slow down your end, then I dont think that mod would be possible! Time for MCM and options perhaps? or at least a cheat spell or 2.

[InsanityFactor]

15 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Or you can combine both ? In this case put Botox first and then Prettier bandits.

Oh sweet maybe I'll try that  

5 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Dear testers, there will be no update this week despite the numerous bugs. Sometimes RL catches up.

No worries, one thing at a time, looking forward to the next update, whenever it is.

 

5 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

What do you gals/guys think according to your recent experience with version 1.4.2?

Overall it's pretty great, but I do agree with you that it may be too fast. I was able to train a fresh capture into a 3000 gold value servant in about 5 minutes irl. In this case I think that's actually faster than normal PAHE, which I know you didn't intend  That being said, it all worked great, capitalizing on shame, shock, and the other emotions led to focused training paths, where you could make a slave feel a certain way and mold them into whatever you want. It's fantastic, but yes a little too fast. Maybe scaling a few things down could get it to a near-final state, but honestly the concepts are super strong. I think you're aware of all the major bugs in this version already, so nothing further to report there.

 

All I'm hoping to see in the next version is Babo animations packed into the mod (since BaboDialogue is kinda script heavy), and the handful of bugs fixed. Other than that I'm just waiting to see what you come with next! 

[InsanityFactor]

1 hour ago, Musje said:

They might every now and then mutter to themselves "I'm starting to like this", or "I need to get out of here", or rub their genitals like NPCs with high Arousal do.

I was gonna post a suggestion to add a certain feature that MiasLair slaves have. Sometimes they'll forcegreet you and ask for sex. I could really see that working out here, since 100% of the interactions with slaves are player-initiated, it could be a nice change of pace. Not sure how difficult or script-intensive that is, but I thought it could be interesting for fully trained slaves.

 

42 minutes ago, lostlegends said:

Well that depends on what you are trying to do! If you just want a few slaves, yes it would be quite fast. However I am currently trying to do a playthrough based on Musje's Aygas which is already almost impossibly slow. If you slow down your end, then I dont think that mod would be possible! Time for MCM and options perhaps? or at least a cheat spell or 2.

AYGAS has an option to lower/raise the difficulty, so that you have to sell fewer or more slaves in a place to raise their acceptance of it, and also sell fewer or more to raise your slaver level and get the perks. I usually play on easy for AYGAS because sometimes I will literally run out of people to sell slaves to in a town and it's still not accepted there  Sometimes I'll have places like Rorikstead with more slaves than freemen, which I guess happened in real life at times, but it always felt weird to me.

[hallo1126]

17 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Or you can combine both ? In this case put Botox first and then Prettier bandits.

I had with any of them (and also installed everything else mentioned here) a bit of an issue with dirt on faces though. I got rid of it now with the "Dirt Removal" mod on Nexus but it says it does not cover bandits and only set vanilla NPCs (did not check them yet). Any idea for that?

[InsanityFactor]

2 hours ago, hallo1126 said:

I had with any of them (and also installed everything else mentioned here) a bit of an issue with dirt on faces though. I got rid of it now with the "Dirt Removal" mod on Nexus but it says it does not cover bandits and only set vanilla NPCs (did not check them yet). Any idea for that?

Huh. I've never had a problem with dirt on faces, it could be some other mod affecting it in some way. Are you sure it's just like normal dirt and not some weird bug that's putting shit on their face? 

[hallo1126]

2 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

Huh. I've never had a problem with dirt on faces, it could be some other mod affecting it in some way. Are you sure it's just like normal dirt and not some weird bug that's putting shit on their face? 

Not sure tbh, as mentioned mod removes it. Here is a screenshot of one character with dirt on her face if the mod is off (happens for males too though): https://i.imgur.com/uZ35I6d.jpg

 

Modlist for completeness: https://imgur.com/a/CR84kvO (Note for modlist: it started occuring from the very start, added one mod after the other while I was doing the character mods first (before I did anything else). So all the general mods can't be the issue. The VHR male replacers are unchecked because they are broken though and cause the blackface bug. Still need to figure out how to tackle male overhaul and how to actually install PAHE - dom)

[TrollAutokill]

12 hours ago, pinky6225 said:

submission and respect both seemed to increase very easily but other stats like combat seemed quite slow, had a slave with me for most of the blades/dragonborn vanilla quest to stop auldin and the dawnguard quest and combat is still only around 70

 

Seem to also get a period dialogue line " i thought i told you to speak to me" even with respect at 100

 

11 hours ago, Nonseen said:

i only done one long deep run.

 

Based on this i have some suggestions/ideas:

 

S1 - Pls add new mind option dialoge menu: "come here slave", "let have sirius chat"

 

S2 - pls give more clear indication some where the new spells how long spell altering effect take place? peramanent? or let say 60 secund? in spell discreption not shown.

 

S3 - same for new poition.

 

S4 - if possible give player chance to change how hard/slow or quick/easy train slaves. maybe some wish do quick as pahe ( to me this way or slover way totaly okay! more you ened work train a perfect slave more value of that slave to you! )

 

S5 - the poition/poitions and spell books can be added the leveled lists? so can be found randomly in other places? or maybe this is bead idea?

 

S6 - why not add magic poision? this one give special mind altering effect the victim of this poision act like a women who drinked in a bar something nasty drug. falow the player if ordered and can be captured as salve ( dont know this possible or not)

this one give players who has high pick pocket other alternative to capture victims.

and sneaky sneaky assin type players other options...

 

if this poision used aginst player... can lead intresting storys but i think this is outside of this mod.

 

S7 . this one maybe to crazy so i put behind spoiler!

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why not add slaver perk tree? this one incrased based on captured slaves and trained slaves. 1 trained slave = 1 lover or loyal slave

this perk tree can be used make mroe easy and quick break slaves. or other futures that at the moment i have no idea...

 

S8 - optional punishment method: Torture with salt. this oen requiere one salt pile intigrent from player inventory and this used trought the process. as "Salting the slave" this used to incrase pain punishemnt effectivnes .  Salt in fresh wound give insane pain (and another alternate use this alchemy intigrent).

 

About recent eperineces:

outside of bugs, i love this mod! ( but you problably know  )

the magic way that salve mind can be manipuleted great tuch

pőosion that makses slave tempolary break nice idea!

This too makes traning "hard to train" slaves more easy.

 

thx for reading

 

9 hours ago, Musje said:

I just started playing around with this mod, and I really love the idea behind it.  I always wanted to have slaves having a unique personality, that changes somewhat based on how you treat them.  This fits the bill nicely. 

 

My main comment would be to make things more immersive still, by having slaves express their feelings with animations and bits of dialogue.  They might every now and then mutter to themselves "I'm starting to like this", or "I need to get out of here", or rub their genitals like NPCs with high Arousal do.  The less we have to poll the slaves through the "serious talk" dialogue, the better.  Also let them react to punishment in dialogue instead of status messages.

 

I noticed the mod replaces a bunch of HSH / Aysag scripts.  Do you have an overview of what is changed?  I can keep this in mind when publishing future updates to those mods.

 

8 hours ago, lostlegends said:

 

Well that depends on what you are trying to do! If you just want a few slaves, yes it would be quite fast. However I am currently trying to do a playthrough based on Musje's Aygas which is already almost impossibly slow. If you slow down your end, then I dont think that mod would be possible! Time for MCM and options perhaps? or at least a cheat spell or 2.

 

7 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

Oh sweet maybe I'll try that  

No worries, one thing at a time, looking forward to the next update, whenever it is.

 

Overall it's pretty great, but I do agree with you that it may be too fast. I was able to train a fresh capture into a 3000 gold value servant in about 5 minutes irl. In this case I think that's actually faster than normal PAHE, which I know you didn't intend  That being said, it all worked great, capitalizing on shame, shock, and the other emotions led to focused training paths, where you could make a slave feel a certain way and mold them into whatever you want. It's fantastic, but yes a little too fast. Maybe scaling a few things down could get it to a near-final state, but honestly the concepts are super strong. I think you're aware of all the major bugs in this version already, so nothing further to report there.

 

All I'm hoping to see in the next version is Babo animations packed into the mod (since BaboDialogue is kinda script heavy), and the handful of bugs fixed. Other than that I'm just waiting to see what you come with next! 

 

Thanks for all the ideas and the feedback on the training speed process. PAHE already has a setting for training speed, so I think we can work from that one. Unfortunately it only applies to pain punishments. I will add more options in a Diary MCM menu with a slider for training speed on pain, sex and toldoff. Yes the tears options will be in too. And the Babo animations if I get his green light.

 

 

 

[lostlegends]

I personaly instal Botox first for the random npc's such as bandits.

Then 'the ordinary women' for named npc's.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12376

Then Bijin for the main npc's you interact with.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1825

Overwrite the skins with the Bijin skin for npcs (it has the full vag special)

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/20078

I think this works well and gives a varied setup, just not over realistic.

but yes now botox does seem to be putting dirt on the faces, there are comments about this on Nexus, I will look at removing it today.

7 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

AYGAS has an option to lower/raise the difficulty, so that you have to sell fewer or more slaves in a place to raise their acceptance of it, and also sell fewer or more to raise your slaver level and get the perks. I usually play on easy for AYGAS because sometimes I will literally run out of people to sell slaves to in a town and it's still not accepted there  Sometimes I'll have places like Rorikstead with more slaves than freemen, which I guess happened in real life at times, but it always felt weird to me.

I already have it on easy lol, and I still havent got one town to acept slavery. The problem isnt slaves as bandits respawn, its the training. I trained 4 slaves to 100% in everything but combat.(Combat causes issues in my game, with slaves going mad and trying to murder each other). Then get these 4 slaves to train the random bandits etc. This can literaly take years !!! and is just to boring to be honest. I will be looking today to do some tuning to the slave training slave part in HSH.

[TrollAutokill]

9 hours ago, Musje said:

I just started playing around with this mod, and I really love the idea behind it.  I always wanted to have slaves having a unique personality, that changes somewhat based on how you treat them.  This fits the bill nicely. 

 

My main comment would be to make things more immersive still, by having slaves express their feelings with animations and bits of dialogue.  They might every now and then mutter to themselves "I'm starting to like this", or "I need to get out of here", or rub their genitals like NPCs with high Arousal do.  The less we have to poll the slaves through the "serious talk" dialogue, the better.  Also let them react to punishment in dialogue instead of status messages.

 

I noticed the mod replaces a bunch of HSH / Aysag scripts.  Do you have an overview of what is changed?  I can keep this in mind when publishing future updates to those mods.

Oh my Dibella, I am thrilled, Musje liked my mod, your mods are such a reference! I will provide you with a list of my changes in 2 parts. One that should be implemented to get a better interface with PAHE indpendently of Diary and a few others that could rely on whether Diary was loaded or not.

 

Good point on the immersion, I will look at how it is implemented in MiasLair as InsanityFactor suggested. I could add some links to friends too, like a slave commenting on her friend status: "My poor Saadia, what is happening to you" or "Oh no, Cicero my friend she got you too!"

 

[lostlegends]

4 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

Thanks for all the ideas and the feedback on the training speed process. PAHE already has a setting for training speed, so I think we can work from that one. Unfortunately it only applies to pain punishments. I will add more options in a Diary MCM menu with a slider for training speed on pain, sex and toldoff. Yes the tears options will be in too. And the Babo animations if I get his green light.

RE Tears. Ok I in no way mean this to sound nasty, as your work is VERY appreciated. But I think the tears look more like clown makeup! I installed slave tats and tried it, and even managed to get the tears semi good by using the gloss instead of colour. But in the end I just removed slave tats.

[TrollAutokill]

10 minutes ago, lostlegends said:

RE Tears. Ok I in no way mean this to sound nasty, as your work is VERY appreciated. But I think the tears look more like clown makeup! I installed slave tats and tried it, and even managed to get the tears semi good by using the gloss instead of colour. But in the end I just removed slave tats.

I use tears from apropos2 and some have issues especially with darker skins. I need to fix or remove the faulty ones, you are right.

[InsanityFactor]

19 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

I use tears from apropos2 and some have issues especially with darker skins. I need to fix or remove the faulty ones, you are right.

Yes on darker skin it becomes more noticeable. I believe there's tears in the default SlaveTats pack if I'm not mistaken, and those look alright. What looks even better are the tears from Spank That Ass, but I don't remember if those are even done through SlaveTats or not.

 

EDIT: those might be the same textures actually I can't remember  

[InsanityFactor]

59 minutes ago, lostlegends said:

I already have it on easy lol, and I still havent got one town to acept slavery. The problem isnt slaves as bandits respawn, its the training. I trained 4 slaves to 100% in everything but combat.(Combat causes issues in my game, with slaves going mad and trying to murder each other). Then get these 4 slaves to train the random bandits etc. This can literaly take years !!! and is just to boring to be honest. I will be looking today to do some tuning to the slave training slave part in HSH.

Yeah HSH training can be slow. What I'd recommend is training the slaves halfway yourself, and then turn them over to HSH. In HSH, a slave trains from 60-70 submission in the same amount of time they would train from 0-10. If you train them yourself, 0-10 is like 100x faster than 60-70. So the player trains them faster at lower levels and slower at higher levels, but HSH it's always the same speed, that's the advantage and disadvantage of using HSH. It takes forever if they start at 0, but it actually saves you time if they start at 80+ I usually get my slaves up to 60 submission and 20 sex training, and then hand them over to my taskmistress. Average probably 2 in-game days to get to 100. Then you kinda just have to waste time until they're done, but that can't really be avoided. 

[InsanityFactor]

3 hours ago, hallo1126 said:

Not sure tbh, as mentioned mod removes it. Here is a screenshot of one character with dirt on her face if the mod is off (happens for males too though): https://i.imgur.com/uZ35I6d.jpg

 

Modlist for completeness: https://imgur.com/a/CR84kvO (Note for modlist: it started occuring from the very start, added one mod after the other while I was doing the character mods first (before I did anything else). So all the general mods can't be the issue. The VHR male replacers are unchecked because they are broken though and cause the blackface bug. Still need to figure out how to tackle male overhaul and how to actually install PAHE - dom)

 

41 minutes ago, lostlegends said:

but yes now botox does seem to be putting dirt on the faces, there are comments about this on Nexus, I will look at removing it today.

Looks like the dirt removal mod is actually just needed now. If it works it works I guess.

[hallo1126]

22 minutes ago, InsanityFactor said:

 

Looks like the dirt removal mod is actually just needed now. If it works it works I guess.

That mod specifically mentions that it does not cover bandits and NPCs like that though

[lostlegends]

22 hours ago, hallo1126 said:

That mod specifically mentions that it does not cover bandits and NPCs like that though

 

After looking through the files of Botox I cannot find any dirt textures at all, will check further but I am not sure Botox is putting them in there.

 

Re Tears. Going to look further into Slavetats today and the tears system. I am quite good with transparencies, UI, textures etc. So will have a go at making something a little more realistic.

[TrollAutokill]

29 minutes ago, lostlegends said:

 

After looking through the files of Botox I cannot find any dirt textures at all, will check further but I am not sure Botox is putting them in there.

 

Re Tears. Going to look further into Slavetats today and the tears system. I am quite good with transparencies, UI, textures etc. So will have a go at making something a little more realistic.

Thanks, I am actually quite bad when it comes to graphics. In DoM the textures are under textures\Actors\character\slavetats\DoMTears

There is also a color option when appyling tats. Maybe fusing the skin color for this would allow the tears to blend in instead of the reddish hue.

[lostlegends]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

Thanks, I am actually quite bad when it comes to graphics. In DoM the textures are under textures\Actors\character\slavetats\DoMTears

There is also a color option when appyling tats. Maybe fusing the skin color for this would allow the tears to blend in instead of the reddish hue.

when I was originaly messing with tears, I turned the colour off!! just using the gloss effect worked quite well. But I will look at making it a little more transparent that should also fix it. I do a lot of stuff like this but normaly dont release anything. However if you think the end result looks better than you have now, you are quite welcome to them.

[sissylover19]

great mod so far one slight issue while most things work fine there are two problems I have found

 

1.ahlam refuses sex no matter what even if the dialogue said well trained and

 

2. inspection seems to lock my character in place permanently and the animation doesn't play 

[TrollAutokill]

43 minutes ago, theanarchistotaku said:

great mod so far one slight issue while most things work fine there are two problems I have found

 

1.ahlam refuses sex no matter what even if the dialogue said well trained and

 

2. inspection seems to lock my character in place permanently and the animation doesn't play 

Hopefully the new version should fix those. It will be out in 1 minutes.

If (1) is still a problem, you should try with PAHE alone and PAHE+DoM. Report the results here.

[TrollAutokill]

So 1.4.4 is out. Many bugs were corrected, especially the chance of shocking a slave. It might now be too hard, if you have time to check I am interested in your feedback.

 

There is an MCM menu to disable tears and mascara tears for male and female. You can also adjust the training speed from 10 to 200%

 

Thanks to CliftonJD for his help integrating DoM into PAHE. This version uses PAHE 7.5.8

 

You do not need extra mods installed for the animations other than Zaz pack. All needed animations are packed in the mod. Mostly Leito's animations.

[InsanityFactor]

41 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

So 1.4.4 is out. Many bugs were corrected, especially the chance of shocking a slave. It might now be too hard, if you have time to check I am interested in your feedback.

 

I'll be sure to try it out soon.

 

42 minutes ago, TrollAutokill said:

You do not need extra mods installed for the animations other than Zaz pack. All needed animations are packed in the mod. Mostly Leito's animations.

Fantastic  

[Nonseen]

2 hours ago, TrollAutokill said:

So 1.4.4 is out. Many bugs were corrected, especially the chance of shocking a slave. It might now be too hard, if you have time to check I am interested in your feedback.

 

There is an MCM menu to disable tears and mascara tears for male and female. You can also adjust the training speed from 10 to 200%

 

Thanks to CliftonJD for his help integrating DoM into PAHE. This version uses PAHE 7.5.8

 

You do not need extra mods installed for the animations other than Zaz pack. All needed animations are packed in the mod. Mostly Leito's animations.

Great JOB! Thank you!

 

Soon as i finish my pahe test i start test this DOM version, expect 2 day to start the test. IRL things

[InsanityFactor]

So I haven't tried training a slave from scratch just yet, but I did try out a few other things that you've changed.

 

First off, the animations don't freeze the player anymore, I'm sure you are aware of that one but I thought I'd confirm it for you  

 

Second, the "Let's see how much you're worth" plays the animations again. I remember you said that the animations are different based on submission. I don't know if that's still the case but for this slave it was playing one of several each time. Just letting you know in case that wasn't intended, but personally I like the variety.

 

Third, the "Let's see you much you're worth" dialogue seems to give pretty pessimistic estimates. Slave with these stats was evaluated at around 450, same slave previously was ~3000 before the update.

 

Fourth, the "touch yourself" works, but cancels after about a second. I do not get the message that the slave stopped posing. But I do get that message if I check the slave's value and they stop posing after however long though so it looks like the fap animation just gets canceled somehow.

 

Lastly, the new body inspection animation plays fine, but personally it looks kind of weird. Idk, I liked the last animation better but that's just me, your mod your rules  

 

Here's a pic of the stats of the slave I tested all this on:

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[TrollAutokill]

8 hours ago, InsanityFactor said:

So I haven't tried training a slave from scratch just yet, but I did try out a few other things that you've changed.

 

First off, the animations don't freeze the player anymore, I'm sure you are aware of that one but I thought I'd confirm it for you  

Great. Could you try the "stop what you're doing" dialogue and check that you don't get stuck with it also

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Second, the "Let's see how much you're worth" plays the animations again. I remember you said that the animations are different based on submission. I don't know if that's still the case but for this slave it was playing one of several each time. Just letting you know in case that wasn't intended, but personally I like the variety.

There are only 4 levels. And the last level use a variety of random animations. Yes variety is the word here but only for well trained slaves.

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Third, the "Let's see you much you're worth" dialogue seems to give pretty pessimistic estimates. Slave with these stats was evaluated at around 450, same slave previously was ~3000 before the update.

Weird try to sell the slave with aygas and see which price is closer.

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I might have used acyclic animation for some of those. It shoub be fixed soon.

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Lastly, the new body inspection animation plays fine, but personally it looks kind of weird. Idk, I liked the last animation better but that's just me, your mod your rules  

I think as before it should be 4 different ones depending on training. I did not check the last one. So it might be weird. Sorry about that.

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Here's a pic of the stats of the slave I tested all this on:

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Too bad it hides her face though ?