TWO - Total Werewolf Overhaul

[tonitrulupus]

19 hours ago, calvin_0 said:

 

well, if you want to talk about biology of werewolf, you should know that nature are very lazy and often work on "good enough" principle... so this mean, look at werewolf biologically, it wont growth new breasts even if there are DNA coat for extra breasts because you are talking about a transformation that may or may not causes by a diseases, not a new hybrid being... growing new bunch of organs every time a werewolf transform is unrealistic as that require the body to rapidly grow new organ only that basically have no purpose only to be discarded later, not to mention it would consume a lot of energy and material..

generally nature only work with what they have access too, in this case, a human body which goes back to my original point, the foundation of a werewolf is human, so you arent going to get something that cant be found on a human body..

if you look at it magically, while growing breast can make sense as magic can do anything, but you also need to look at the source... in this case, the source is Hircine, a godlike being that only interested for the strong to prey on the weak.. so twisting the human body to have 8 breasts isnt something that Hircine might do, because he is more interested in creating a killing machine... not to mention having 8 breast hanging around would hinder the werewolf... just look at woman run without a sport bra... yeah... now imagine there is 8 of them... this is one of the reason why most animal dont have a well define breast, it would hinder their running capability.... even most ape dont have breast, they have nipple, but no breasts..

if you are talking about Sanguine, then yes, he would totally put multiple breasts on werewolf just for shit and giggle.. but Hircine, I don't think so...

OK, I have a slight disagreement, the human body has the code, it just inactive, a recessive gene, this explains how some women can have 3 or more nipples, I have dated a woman that had 3 nipple and the 3rd was just as sensitive in not more, as for growing new organs, why do you think that the transformation is painful, well at least in all the movies, do depict this in the modern age.

 

As for Genetics, humans have a small amount of DNA that was introduced to them through a virus, so if we are looking at it on a virus point of view, the changes could possibly happen, having change the organs, muscle structure etc, in this can I would say this type of werewolf would be more like the werewolf in the movie viking werewolf, where the changes happen over time and once changes it can't be reverted back.

 

 

I would say the worst of them is molac bal for deforming their victimizes, but all mammals have breast tissue it is just how much they are pronounced on the body, does the and it seems like mammals that have had offspring seem to have no issue with day to day after having them, they just adapt, and the breasts shrink, just as the do in most humans, so, that wouldn't really matter in making a killing machine, I don't seem to bother human in their activities ether and that includes using hand  weapons. the tissue would just shrink down for example a c cup would become like a a or b cup size. just as women body builder lose breast mass and looks more like muscle then a feminine breast, they still have them of course, and feminine werewolf just wouldn't develop like 6 or 8, that I would agree with you the the human torso isn't long enough. 

 

 

 

[calvin_0]

4 hours ago, tonitrulupus said:

OK, I have a slight disagreement, the human body has the code, it just inactive, a recessive gene, this explains how some women can have 3 or more nipples, I have dated a woman that had 3 nipple and the 3rd was just as sensitive in not more, as for growing new organs, why do you think that the transformation is painful, well at least in all the movies, do depict this in the modern age.

 

As for Genetics, humans have a small amount of DNA that was introduced to them through a virus, so if we are looking at it on a virus point of view, the changes could possibly happen, having change the organs, muscle structure etc, in this can I would say this type of werewolf would be more like the werewolf in the movie viking werewolf, where the changes happen over time and once changes it can't be reverted back.

 

 

I would say the worst of them is molac bal for deforming their victimizes, but all mammals have breast tissue it is just how much they are pronounced on the body, does the and it seems like mammals that have had offspring seem to have no issue with day to day after having them, they just adapt, and the breasts shrink, just as the do in most humans, so, that wouldn't really matter in making a killing machine, I don't seem to bother human in their activities ether and that includes using hand  weapons. the tissue would just shrink down for example a c cup would become like a a or b cup size. just as women body builder lose breast mass and looks more like muscle then a feminine breast, they still have them of course, and feminine werewolf just wouldn't develop like 6 or 8, that I would agree with you the the human torso isn't long enough. 

 

 

 

 

just because we already have the gene it doesnt mean we would suddenly get new feature, we are talking about a being that already being borned, not something that is still being constructed in the womb... i'm pretty sure that woman that you dated which have 3 nipple are born with it, it didnt just suddenly appear one day... another example is, human cell has gone through many DNA mutation in a lifetime and yet the only changes we see, is cancer... that is because our form, already set in stone, we arent going to suddenly grow extra limbs one day because some cell in our body suddenly develop the mutation to growth extra limb... that is also why researcher are looking into flatworm, lizard and geecko so much...

that said, the main reason werewolf transformation is painful, it is because the whole body is being reconfigure, which is another reason why growing new organ is unlikely because the energy and material in the body is being use to grow extra muscle and bone, turning fine hair into thick fur, elongate the tailbone into a fully functional tail, turning fingernail into giant claws, growing more cone cell for night vision.. ect ect.. with so many changes that goes into making a werewolf, do you really think our body would also grown new organs that is basically useless.. as i mentioned before, nature are lazy and operate on "good enough", unless there is a really good reason to do so, growing new organs isnt going to happen... and as i mention over and over again, there is nothing that you can find on a werewolf that cant be found on a human body, because the foundation of a werewolf is the human body.

growing more muscle and more bone is easier than growing new organ because you are just making more of what already there...
 

and when it comes to cup sizes, human breasts are mainly composed of fat tissues, so it would actually make sense that werewolf have no breasts because the fat deposit is already being used to fuel the transformation.. if you look at top level top level athletes, they all are flat because their body doesn't have enough fat to shape the breast... female olympian are even known to not have period due to not having enough fat to support child baring, so thier body just shut down that function until they retired from competition and gain enough body fat to restart it....

so if you take into count all those little things, the most accurate werewolf form, is the in game default werewolf.... it's almost as the dev actually put some thought into the werewolves design..

 

and finally, Molac Bal and Hircine dont really have the same motivation, Molac is about torture and suffering, Hircine is just about the strong preying on the weak.. that is why Hircine is known as sprit of the hunt and the huntman... basically Hircine is all about survival of the fittest and nothing else, he prefer to make a killing machine which is ultimately, what werewolves is, a killing machine, so Hircine really wont put anything that would hinder the hunting capability of werewolf such as extra breasts for no reason....

 

one thing you also need to remember is, werewolves run on 4 legs in high speed, this mean, their body is pretty close to the ground, so having bunch of breasts hanging about while they are running on 4 legs would create a lot of problem... this is why most animal dont develop breast... because quadrupedalism is very common.. even animal that do develop what we can call a breast (the proper term is udder, i think), it's small and located near the genital area, so it's out of the way when the animal need to run at high speed, plus animal that usually have udder has pretty long legs, so their body is higher off the ground, because of that, they can effort to have something hanging off their body..

Edited July 18, 2024 by calvin_0

[Castoli]

is this mod abandoned?

[FauxFurry]

13 minutes ago, Castoli said:

is this mod abandoned?

It would be more accurate to say that it is complete. What else does it need other than updates for the sake of updates?

[Castoli]

47 minutes ago, FauxFurry said:

It would be more accurate to say that it is complete. What else does it need other than updates for the sake of updates?

Spoiler

maybe to fix some known issues

add fur coatings like fluffworks

add a patch to make so that werewolves spawned in with HentaiCreatures's spell have different color variations rather than being vanilla skin only

add a better female werewolf bodyslide (one that has separate boob and ass sliders)

Edited July 25, 2024 by Castoli

[FauxFurry]

28 minutes ago, Castoli said:

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maybe to fix some known issues

add fur coatings like fluffworks

add a patch to make so that werewolves spawned in with HentaiCreatures's spell have different color variations rather than being vanilla skin only

add a better female werewolf bodyslide (one that has separate boob and ass sliders)

A mod is not incomplete simply because it does not account for every other mod that could possibly overlap with it in some way. This mod author did what they intended to do and now it is time for others to make their own patches and add-ons to bring it to up to their standards. 

[tonitrulupus]

I notices an issue, when finishing the animation, the PC body disappears, is there a way to correct this? or what can be causing this?

[Frost Hare]

I could use a hand if anybody has the time, so for some reason the male body for werewolves will load in fine but any female werewolf will use the male body and in sexlab will be identified as male despite being female, it's like the female body is missing but it's still in the files of the mod. Am I missing a script or something? do I need to re-verify my games files? I thought followed the instructions correctly but clearly something is missing. (The picture I attached is Aela as an example to the problem I'm having)

[xsixkillerx]

There are still some incompatibility issues involving SOS, SL, and MNC, there are patches, however I have no idea if they are compatible with the latest releases of the aforementioned mods, or the latest Skyrim updates. The explanations on LO and installation also go right over my head. Atm I have it running stable with just SOS installed and nothing else, but any help with SL and such would be cool.

[Frost Hare]

Oh I'm using skyrim 1.6.640

[xsixkillerx]

On 7/16/2024 at 3:44 AM, calvin_0 said:

 

lore wise, werewolf really shouldnt have more than 2 breasts as the foundation is human... if you think about it, generally speaking, there is nothing in a werewolf that cant be found on a human, it just changes shape and sizes... so for extra breast to form, you basically need to grow bunch of new organs...

and this havnt taken into count that wolves dont have well define breasts, so this means, werewolf shouldnt have breasts, much less 8 of them hanging out.... since werewolf are covered in fur, you wont able to see their nipple as well...

 

so the default werewolf form, funny enough, is the most accurate werewolf form if werewolf were real..

Quite a few people are born with a 3rd ghost nipple, its caused from a leftover gene from our more primal years, it doesn't work, but it is there. I'm sure with modern medicine it could be possible (like growing a human ear on a mouse/rat that has the mouse equivalent of an immune deficiency (basically aids) but that is a different subject.

 

And if you think about it, nipples and breasts are just enhanced sweat glands, therefore it would not be a far fetched assumption that these things would appear if a Magical Transformation that crosses man with wolf were to take place.

[xsixkillerx]

On 7/25/2024 at 2:20 PM, FauxFurry said:

It would be more accurate to say that it is complete. What else does it need other than updates for the sake of updates?

I'd say it desperately needs up-to-date instructions on how to get them female werewolf npcs to spawn with painises. 500+ hp normie werewolves just aren't scary enough.

[myhouseatl]

Every time I transform into a werewolf, if I look at the face, I get a CTD.  Crash log says; 

BGSHeadPart(Name: FemaleHeadWerewolf `FemaleHeadWerewolf`, FormId: FE46D805, File: `Werewolves.esp`)

Everything looks ok.  I just crash when ever I turn where I can see the head. (I do have required mods such as Monster Face Animation etc..)

Any ideas?

 

Edit:  Never mind.  Sometimes, restarting MO2 gets things working again.

Edited August 7, 2024 by myhouseatl
Fixed

[tonitrulupus]

On 7/28/2024 at 12:41 PM, tonitrulupus said:

I notices an issue, when finishing the animation, the PC body disappears, is there a way to correct this? or what can be causing this?

It looks like sos ani,ail was fighting over the mesh and was making it disappear, disabled in creature frame and it seems to have resolved that issue of disappearing body of the werewolf form

[HornykoboId]

im not sure WHY, but this just will NOT work for me, the game starts, but barely a second after i see the bethesda logo it crashes, and i have no idea why

 

[NU_TBuster]

Hey I need serious help. I know that this mod hasn't been updated in a while, but I really want to use it correctly. Every time I try to load the game with it enabled. It crashes at the startup. And whenever I get it to NOT crash, my female uses the male model, and all of the textures, and schlongs are messed up. Please someone help me I am desperate.

[Raime901]

Hello, im having a problem were the boobs of the female werewolf sink to the ground and on top of that, for some reason when the character transforms it has the body of the male werewolf until I remove it, what could cuse these problems?

[jailsonmendes4321]

anyone here got other link for 4.1.7z texture because that link doesn't work anymore

[crash6372]

I need help with facegen data. Everytime I get it not to crash whenever the game has to load a female werewolf and have sex animations, whenever I load an old save, CTD. The Crashlogs I get all say It has something to do with facegen data. Here is my latest crashlog. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

crash-2024-08-22-17-39-19.log

[MysterProto]

Hey First of all amazing mod. Second of all what mods do you use for that Lykaios(?) preset present in the images. I know the comments should be used for bugs and support but I been looking everywhere and i cant find anything

[XarisZ]

Can we get a Herm werewolf spell for the CF version?

[Chillco]

9 hours ago, XarisZ said:

Can we get a Herm werewolf spell for the CF version?

I managed to get the spell but yeah, it just does nothing. Anybody know how to make herm werewolves work with CF?

[dweezer]

Got this generally working fine on 1.5.97, I just have one quibble in that my character goes completely invisible during the transform animation (but no problems reverting, and is fully visible while wolfed out). The mod is loaded as late as I can get in the order, and has nothing overwriting it that I can tell with MO2. The only other WW mods I have is Moonlight Tales Mini with the appearance system disabled (tempted to remove this one entirely) and Werewolf Loot, and this mod is loaded after those two. Are there any other things I should look at?

[DragonkingKyo]

I need some help even when I unselect the preview in bodyslider it is still the base form (at least for the female) in game. Anyone know how to fix this? I use mo2.

[LordDrakath15226]

On 8/23/2024 at 3:41 AM, MysterProto said:

Hey First of all amazing mod. Second of all what mods do you use for that Lykaios(?) preset present in the images. I know the comments should be used for bugs and support but I been looking everywhere and i cant find anything

 

Oh, you poor fool, thinking the author will reply, this mod has been abandoned for quite some time.