Random Overlay Framework

[Invictusblade]

so I am going to divide the MCM into two pieces. (it will be easier than dividing the mod)

1. contains Tattoos and Hair

2. contains Acne, Birthmarks, Moles, Scars, etc (basically the other overlays)

 

because it is getting excessive

with content that everyone may not use

 

it just kinda exploded

 

btw I will be adding Scars

[Invictusblade]

15 hours ago, Jeffey67 said:

Testing.. Can't exit window showing arrays/ No esc nor tab do not help. Only ~ is functioning. But update seems really huge) 

One more but... It works Damn Good! Great work) All my overlays is applying. 

  I noticed, that at first PubicHair wasn't work, though slider in General Options (GO) was on 99%. Then I switched to General Overlay Manager (GOM) and choose "general pubic_hair options" to x4. This solved problem. Pubics are applying, but I saw other options in GOM also are Disabled, But they was set at some value - percent in GO. That's doesn't matter much for me, cos I cosider all npc have same bodies with same problems and perculiarities. This doesn't apply to Tattoes certainly.

  I didn't check if all of my skin/scne/whatever ovls are supported yet, but they are supported! And that's cool! Thank you for efforts - it really motivating, and I thing I'll finish my overlays by the weekend. Got some problem with it - some people reports mosaoc/pixel glitch with archived ba2 version, and do not with loose texture version.

  upd: One more interesting behavior. I forgot to say, that there is one more type of overlays - SkinType. It's about thinskin/thickskin/veins/varicouse and stretches. And I don't see it mentioned in your updated version. But they works too!!! How come?? It's not nessesary including this, I can combine 'em with skinTextures. But the only thing I will need to expand skinTexture to 20 instead 10.

   As for perfomance, it's surely rocket now. Process goes sfaster and definetely smoother. Only barely noticeable boobTwitching (hello physics)

so I went over your ESP of ROF and found most of the added content and added to the new version

 

I noticed the texture issues as well (with bodyhair_05, bodyhair_09, and bodyhair_10) but there is always teething issues so I am ignoring it at the moment

 

btw can you post/message me your upcoming strings so I can make the changes now

On 7/25/2023 at 2:55 AM, SilentPain99 said:

I do use the latest one.

The female Chars will have tattoos but the body will be the "normal one" I made with batch build via body slide.

ok I am a bit confused, can you explain it again

because do Male NPC's have issues? or does the player does have issues?

 

because you are talking about tattoos(overlays I assume) in one part and morphs in the another. *maybe you are talking about Skin overrides, but I am not sure

so that statement doesn't make any sense (in my eyes)

 

10 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

Thanks for resuming work on this, you've been missed!

 

My only suggestion so far (I haven't tested the latest versions extensively yet) is to pick one mechanism for applying the overlays and get rid of the question in the FOMOD installer (or at least make it much more obvious that you recommend whichever one you expect to work the best). I consider myself relatively experienced at using mods and am familiar with what the terms in the various options mean and know how to integrate with the other dependencies they mention (having configured them fairly often in the context of other mods), but even I'm never entirely sure which of the numerous options there I should choose. Is SPID better or is RobCo Patcher better for this case? Perk or spell? I know the differences between these, but not why I ought to choose one over the others for your mod's backend. Too much choice with insufficient justification of the options will only confuse users.

 

Also, is the invisible dead bodies workaround for BodyGen expected to be functional now, or is it still not really doing what you expect? Just curious whether I can drop my other workarounds and recommend this as an alternative.

about SPID vs Robco Patcher, I don't actually know which is better

Robco Patcher gets more updates and it requires fewer requirements(I think) *and there has been performance upgrades

 

so I decided to get feedback from the players,

 

so going into the perk system, it was another attempt at giving dead NPCs overlays because it can have a script attached so I did make a quest/perk script that tells the NPC to equip the armor piece (Overlay manager) but it doesn't seem to work at all. *Dead NPCs do get the perk but nothing happens

 

but nevertheless, I decided to keep it because of debugging reasons (using Better console, you can see if a NPC has been hit with this perk) *I should reverse my perk removal code

7 hours ago, Two Bucks said:

i have everything set to mid 90's and x4 everywhere. i have all the pubes mods and tats. its farthest down in load order. i got nothing. i even changed the file bc i use AAF. im not getting anything. is this compatible with lots more settlers and enemies? thats the only thing i have.

so which distribution system are you running? Robco or SPID (and Perk or Spell)

 

because my load order has ROF fairly high (22 of 106 mods)

and I don't think load order does anything to ROF

 

also do the overlays work in looksmenu?

 

also which mode are you running (Quest(default) or armor)

[Two Bucks]

8 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

so I went over your ESP of ROF and found most of the added content and added to the new version

 

I noticed the texture issues as well (with bodyhair_05, bodyhair_09, and bodyhair_10) but there is always teething issues so I am ignoring it at the moment

 

btw can you post/message me your upcoming strings so I can make the changes now

ok I am a bit confused, can you explain it again

because do Male NPC's have issues? or does the player does have issues?

 

because you are talking about tattoos(overlays I assume) in one part and morphs in the another. *maybe you are talking about Skin overrides, but I am not sure

so that statement doesn't make any sense (in my eyes)

 

about SPID vs Robco Patcher, I don't actually know which is better

Robco Patcher gets more updates and it requires fewer requirements(I think) *and there has been performance upgrades

 

so I decided to get feedback from the players,

 

so going into the perk system, it was another attempt at giving dead NPCs overlays because it can have a script attached so I did make a quest/perk script that tells the NPC to equip the armor piece (Overlay manager) but it doesn't seem to work at all. *Dead NPCs do get the perk but nothing happens

 

but nevertheless, I decided to keep it because of debugging reasons (using Better console, you can see if a NPC has been hit with this perk) *I should reverse my perk removal code

so which distribution system are you running? Robco or SPID (and Perk or Spell)

 

because my load order has ROF fairly high (22 of 106 mods)

and I don't think load order does anything to ROF

 

also do the overlays work in looksmenu?

 

also which mode are you running (Quest(default) or armor)

thanks for responding.

im running SPID. My ROF load order is up there like yours except for invisible bodies thats 73 of 113 everything else is below 30.

yes the overlays work in looks menu. (for player)

im not understanding the last question so i will assume default.

The problem is all the npcs. nothing shows up on any of them.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

ok I am a bit confused, can you explain it again

because do Male NPC's have issues? or does the player does have issues?

 

because you are talking about tattoos(overlays I assume) in one part and morphs in the another. *maybe you are talking about Skin overrides, but I am not sure

so that statement doesn't make any sense (in my eyes)

Ok..
Yes it was not pretty well written by me. Sorry for that.

 

The female Chars will have tattoos but the body (bodyshape) of them will be all the same. Everyone will have the same build, not the same tattoos.
The males .... ok ... all of them are fat .. But I am not sure where that one comes from xD

 

Hope that one explains it a little bit better.

[Invictusblade]

8 hours ago, Two Bucks said:

thanks for responding.

im running SPID. My ROF load order is up there like yours except for invisible bodies thats 73 of 113 everything else is below 30.

yes the overlays work in looks menu. (for player)

im not understanding the last question so i will assume default.

The problem is all the npcs. nothing shows up on any of them.

can you send me your MCM settings

go here -> \Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\INVB_OverlayFramework.ini

and upload that file here

 

4 hours ago, SilentPain99 said:

Ok..
Yes it was not pretty well written by me. Sorry for that.

 

The female Chars will have tattoos but the body (bodyshape) of them will be all the same. Everyone will have the same build, not the same tattoos.
The males .... ok ... all of them are fat .. But I am not sure where that one comes from xD

 

Hope that one explains it a little bit better.

so do number 1 of my signature (you need to expand the spoiler in it)

 

and then check out -> \Fallout 4\Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

and see if there is any files there

 

[vaultbait]

@Invictusblade: Since you're back, it's probably a good time to remind you and @Sthan Dustthat there's a script conflict between ROF and AE. Unfortunately, because ROF packs its scripts in a BA2 and AE has that script file loose, anyone installing both mods ends up using the older loose file from AE automatically and not having any indication in their mod manager that there's a conflict between the two. Worse, that old version in AE has no AAF player double detection, which I think is why none of the player detection tricks you tried in ROF ever worked for me.

 

I've explicitly deleted the loose INVB_Overlay_Faction_Sorter.pex from my copy of AE which should hopefully fix this once and for all, but you might consider shipping at least that one file loose in future ROF versions, at least until some coordination between the two mods can be worked out.

 

Also, related, in trying to trace through the scripts to figure out why this wasn't working, I noticed you forgot to pack most of your script sources in the latest version of ROF (I ended up decompiling the PEX files with Champollion in order to figure out what AAF double detection techniques you ended up trying).

[Invictusblade]

24 minutes ago, vaultbait said:

@Invictusblade: Since you're back, it's probably a good time to remind you and @Sthan Dustthat there's a script conflict between ROF and AE. Unfortunately, because ROF packs its scripts in a BA2 and AE has that script file loose, anyone installing both mods ends up using the older loose file from AE automatically and not having any indication in their mod manager that there's a conflict between the two. Worse, that old version in AE has no AAF player double detection, which I think is why none of the player detection tricks you tried in ROF ever worked for me.

 

I've explicitly deleted the loose INVB_Overlay_Faction_Sorter.pex from my copy of AE which should hopefully fix this once and for all, but you might consider shipping at least that one file loose in future ROF versions, at least until some coordination between the two mods can be worked out.

 

Also, related, in trying to trace through the scripts to figure out why this wasn't working, I noticed you forgot to pack most of your script sources in the latest version of ROF (I ended up decompiling the PEX files with Champollion in order to figure out what AAF double detection techniques you ended up trying).

thanks for reminding me, I will have a look at doing a final update for AE (basically a clean up update)

 

I am trying (and failing) to focus on playing the game instead of modding.

I am playing a Galac Tac Retribution with Galac Tac Mercs and Music playthrough. *the mods is pretty enjoyable.

[Jeffey67]

On 7/27/2023 at 8:36 AM, Invictusblade said:

 

Strange, but somehow Body_hair stopped applying. The rest is ok.

    Just experimented with options and lost it. Now I have OFF for favtional overlays (this means ROF behavior is the same for everybody, yes?). Then set 100% for bodyHair and PubicHair. In General_Options and General_Overlay_Manager tab I set PubicHair and BodyHair like this for comparison: GOchances 100%, GOoptions Everything, GO_ModifierOptions x4 and General_BodyHairOptions << there's no options about Body. Shouldn't it be there? Only General_PubicHairOptions, which I set to x4. BodyHair Options exists in all other Faction tabs, But in gereral omited.  

   So PubicHair only applies. I can apply BodyHair manualy via LM, though.

And I definetly do not see anything concerning SkinTypes. (10 ones). Really have no idea, how do they applied first time after installing new version )) May be some old config file wasn't ovewrited at first time? Woks only Acne, Birthmarks, Skintextures, Moles and Pubichair. SkinTypes (*01-*10) and BodyHair (*01-*10) does not.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Jeffey67

[Two Bucks]

22 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

can you send me your MCM settings

go here -> \Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\INVB_OverlayFramework.ini

and upload that file here

 

so do number 1 of my signature (you need to expand the spoiler in it)

 

and then check out -> \Fallout 4\Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

and see if there is any files there

 

one thing i can say about where this file was. it was in  the overwrites folder. when i went to the mcm settings where you directed me too. none of the stats were changed. if that means anything

INVB_OverlayFramework.ini

[Two Bucks]

35 minutes ago, Two Bucks said:

one thing i can say about where this file was. it was in  the overwrites folder. when i went to the mcm settings where you directed me too. none of the stats were changed. if that means anything

INVB_OverlayFramework.ini 2.18 kB · 0 downloads

and sir i dont even have       F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp  after fallout and data all i have in that folder is a scripts folder and a video folder. whole bunch of BA2 files, esm etc but none of this    F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

okay upon searching i literally just found the folder

invb_OverlayFramework v 2.25b.

its under Fallout 4 this folder has the bodygen,mcm,etc... but MO2 wont let me install it.   youre saying this folder should be in my data folder???  Thanks for being patient and working with me. I love this mod. i need it lol.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Two Bucks
typo

[Invictusblade]

15 hours ago, Two Bucks said:

and sir i dont even have       F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp  after fallout and data all i have in that folder is a scripts folder and a video folder. whole bunch of BA2 files, esm etc but none of this    F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

okay upon searching i literally just found the folder

invb_OverlayFramework v 2.25b.

its under Fallout 4 this folder has the bodygen,mcm,etc... but MO2 wont let me install it.   youre saying this folder should be in my data folder???  Thanks for being patient and working with me. I love this mod. i need it lol.

maybe it needs to be installed manually (at least with the parts that are not working)

[Invictusblade]

well, shit, I decided to add even more content

(basically I checked out the overlays and saw the hands and feet overlays(I knew about them before but I didn't feel like adding them))

so I adding four overlay sections

Feet

Hands

Nails (Feet)

Nails (Hands)

 

btw with the Nails, I was considering combining them into a single option (but the colours do not completely match)

 

Nails (Feet)

*Multi

*Black

Silver

Gold

*White

**Pink

**Pink_2

*Blue

 

Nails (Hands)

*Multi

**Pink

Red

*White

Dark Red

*Blue

*Black

 

* = They Match

** = They "might" Match

 

(and I will be updating the list to suit the new captive tattoo's(I have been out of the loop for a little bit)) *I should check Nexus for new overlay mods

Edited July 29, 2023 by Invictusblade

[vaultbait]

52 minutes ago, Invictusblade said:

with the Nails, I was considering combining them into a single option (but the colours do not completely match)

 

Nails (Feet)

*Multi

*Black

Silver

Gold

*White

**Pink

**Pink_2

*Blue

 

Nails (Hands)

*Multi

**Pink

Red

*White

Dark Red

*Blue

*Black

 

That got me thinking, while on hiatus you probably missed this new overlay-based mod appearing: Immersive Nail Polish

[Guest]

On 7/28/2023 at 12:47 AM, Invictusblade said:

can you send me your MCM settings

go here -> \Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\INVB_OverlayFramework.ini

and upload that file here

 

so do number 1 of my signature (you need to expand the spoiler in it)

 

and then check out -> \Fallout 4\Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

and see if there is any files there

 

I do not have Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\INVB_OverlayFramework.ini ..
There is no INVB_OverlayFramework.ini, in Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\.

 

\Fallout 4\Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

I have 3 files there

folder managed by vortex

morphs

templates

Edited July 29, 2023 by SilentPain99

[Jeffey67]

5 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

well, shit, I decided to add even more content

(basically I checked out the overlays and saw the hands and feet overlays(I knew about them before but I didn't feel like adding them))

so I adding four overlay sections

Feet

Hands

Nails (Feet)

Nails (Hands)

 

btw with the Nails, I was considering combining them into a single option (but the colours do not completely match)

 

Nails (Feet)

*Multi

*Black

Silver

Gold

*White

**Pink

**Pink_2

*Blue

 

Nails (Hands)

*Multi

**Pink

Red

*White

Dark Red

*Blue

*Black

 

* = They Match

** = They "might" Match

 

(and I will be updating the list to suit the new captive tattoo's(I have been out of the loop for a little bit)) *I should check Nexus for new overlay mods

That's gettin really ambitious project) Nails are great! Btw, what handnails mod for FG? 

 If u mind, do not forget to include 10 skinTypes array... 

  U get next inspiration, do you? ?

[vaultbait]

13 minutes ago, Jeffey67 said:

Btw, what handnails mod for FG? 

 

Most recently, Immersive Nail Polish (linked in my previous post) has a bunch and supports FG, though I don't think ROF includes support for it quite yet.

Edited July 29, 2023 by vaultbait

[Invictusblade]

11 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

That got me thinking, while on hiatus you probably missed this new overlay-based mod appearing: Immersive Nail Polish

 

6 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

Most recently, Immersive Nail Polish (linked in my previous post) has a bunch and supports FG, though I don't think ROF includes support for it quite yet.

I had a look at this and I don't think I can support it because it works in a completely different way. (it doesn't have a F4SE overlay folder/files)

[Two Bucks]

15 hours ago, SilentPain99 said:

I do not have Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\INVB_OverlayFramework.ini ..
There is no INVB_OverlayFramework.ini, in Fallout 4\Data\MCM\Settings\.

 

\Fallout 4\Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\BodyGen\INVB_OverlayFramework.esp

I have 3 files there

folder managed by vortex

morphs

templates

i use MO2 idk if that matters  or not

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Two Bucks said:

i use MO2 idk if that matters  or not

 

With cbbe everything worked fine.

 

But I like FG more.

[vaultbait]

14 hours ago, Invictusblade said:

I had a look at this and I don't think I can support it because it works in a completely different way. (it doesn't have a F4SE overlay folder/files)

 

When I install it, I get a Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\Overlays\NailPolish.esp\overlays.json file. Are you looking for something different?

[Invictusblade]

19 hours ago, vaultbait said:

 

When I install it, I get a Data\F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\Overlays\NailPolish.esp\overlays.json file. Are you looking for something different?

what version are you running?

because the mods I downloaded, have a NailPolish.dll instead of a json.

[vaultbait]

1 hour ago, Invictusblade said:

what version are you running?

because the mods I downloaded, have a NailPolish.dll instead of a json.

 

I'm running 1.1.0 and it does have a NailPolish.dll in the F4SE\Plugins directory, but also F4SE\Plugins\F4EE\Overlays\NailPolish.esp\Overlays.json with the overlay data for LooksMenu, contents start out like...

 

[
  {
    "id": "NailPolish_F_Foot_Chrome_0",
    "name": "$NailPolish_Foot_Chrome_0",
    "slots": [
      {
        "slot": 3,
        "material": "Overlays\\NailPolish\\Female\\FusionGirl\\Foot_Chrome_0.bgsm"
      }
    ],
    "playable": false,
    "transformable": false,
    "sort": 0,
    "gender": 1
  },
...

 

[Invictusblade]

so there has been delays

1. I hurt my back (it is mostly annoying)

2. one of my hard drives is dying (it doesn't contain any game files but I still needed to get most of the content)

 

but I am working on a new version but I may have some problems (I think I fixed them but haven't tested yet)

 

I added Unique Overlays Quests(I forgot this one-ish), Hands, Feet, Toe Nails, and Finger Nails

 

also I am looking into a cutdown version of the MCMs because the amount of options is getting insane (it was already insane before but it is worse)

*for this version, I might default the options to be 1x instead of "disabled"

**I will be cutting the modifier options (Faction Acne, Birthmarks, Body Hairs, bah bah) nearly all of them except the Chances.

 

[Jeffey67]

40 minutes ago, Invictusblade said:

so there has been delays

1. I hurt my back (it is mostly annoying)

2. one of my hard drives is dying (it doesn't contain any game files but I still needed to get most of the content)

 

but I am working on a new version but I may have some problems (I think I fixed them but haven't tested yet)

 

I added Unique Overlays Quests(I forgot this one-ish), Hands, Feet, Toe Nails, and Finger Nails

 

also I am looking into a cutdown version of the MCMs because the amount of options is getting insane (it was already insane before but it is worse)

*for this version, I might default the options to be 1x instead of "disabled"

**I will be cutting the modifier options (Faction Acne, Birthmarks, Body Hairs, bah bah) nearly all of them except the Chances.

 

Take care of ur back( It's our vital armature.  Unfortunately, I understand u.

[Guest]

Hello,

 

it is me again ..

Can somebody help me now ?

It will still not work for FG for me.

Tattoos are working, but still nothing else.

Everyone has the same bodyshape.

 

Thanks in advance. ?