SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[eflat01]

14 hours ago, Gristle said:

Actually, you can do this with dialogue conditions. What you can't do is:

 

IF<condition> OR (<condition> AND <condition>) THEN ...  ENDIF

 

 

That's what I was referring to, the sequence of the conditions are important rather than being able to force precedence. 

[assassin394]

Does this mod compatible with other mod that added naked comment such as this?

 

[Gristle]

3 hours ago, assassin394 said:

Does this mod compatible with other mod that added naked comment such as this?

 

Yes. You'll hear "naked" comments from both mods, pulled randomly. 

[shikimaru123]

Does this work with SLSF Reloaded 2.4 ?

[eflat01]

5 hours ago, shikimaru123 said:

Does this work with SLSF Reloaded 2.4 ?

 

 

Technically yes, there  Is an update on Reloaded - forget what version -  I believe to hit SLSF with it's values, so is in control, you can run both reloaded and SLSF side by side. Since Reloaded is changing values based on SL events and other mods which directly manipulate them that should suffice to force comments.

 

The thing is, if you had been using SLSF and add in Reloaded I believe it will clear (zero out) your current SLSF values and start afresh. 

 

I know Gristle queries the SLSF values, I do not recall if comments manipulates them? 

Edited December 21, 2024 by eflat01

[eflat01]

17 hours ago, assassin394 said:

Does this mod compatible with other mod that added naked comment such as this?

 

 

Gristle mentioned it will work... and it should np.

 

I saw that mod a day or two ago, though remember you'll get a mix of results. May get a comment from that followed by another from SLSFC... might seem conflicting? Then again would be quite funny.

 

If you're using SL, Ostim, etc... can an npc participating in a scene make a naked comment? I know SLSFC seems to check... npc's in a scene should not comment though I don't think it would screw anything up, outside seem out of place.

 

One thing I considered before hitting the DL was the mod's using the keywords.... and decided I did not want to research and hit things via kid and skypatcher, for now 😉 

 

Now then remember this most modular clothing mods which do place the ArmorCuiriass keyword typically do so on the top ( i.e. You can run around all day in just the front abdomen piece - which has that keyword - of Dragonscale bikini without a bra, breast hanging out and totally bottomless on down and npc's will think you're dressed)

 

Yes, Comments on such should be by speaker/speakee ... a young guy or dirty ole man would say to a pretty gal "Hey sweet-roll, you cold? Come here I'll warm you up a bit with my hands."  the polite ones mainly gawk... but you know what they're thinking. SLSFC does that pretty well...

Edited December 21, 2024 by eflat01

[borrims]

Is it just me or does the "disable harsh comments" feature not truly disable all harsh comments? Many NPC comments are still critical/showing a negative attitude towards my character even with it enabled. Or am I misunderstanding what this feature does?

 

Sometimes I'd like to not have negative comments at my character since it seems illogical for people to be so confronting towards an all-powerful dragonborn. It would make more sense for people who are interested to make adventurous comments and anyone else to just keep their opinion to themself.

[Gristle]

12 hours ago, borrims said:

Is it just me or does the "disable harsh comments" feature not truly disable all harsh comments? Many NPC comments are still critical/showing a negative attitude towards my character even with it enabled. Or am I misunderstanding what this feature does?

 

Sometimes I'd like to not have negative comments at my character since it seems illogical for people to be so confronting towards an all-powerful dragonborn. It would make more sense for people who are interested to make adventurous comments and anyone else to just keep their opinion to themself.

That is what the feature is intended to do. I guess it depends on how you define "harsh". At present, it doesn't remove all critical comments, but it should remove all comments that use harsh language (e.g., slut, whore). For example, a comment like "She'll never find a husband now." would be a critical comment, but it's something even a friend might say, so I don't consider it harsh. 

 

Also, note that "disable harsh comments" does not disable harsh comments about beastiality fame. Maybe this is the source of the harsh comments? My original thought was that even a Skyrim that was more "permissive" about nudity and sex (the reason for the harsh language toggle) would not approve of beastiality. I could disable those comments as well, but in general the entire comment set was designed to be consistent with the vanilla dialogue -- meaning my idea of how the vanilla NPCs would talk in the fake-medieval language and culture of the vanilla dialogue. But, if there is a desire for a Skyrim culture that approves of beastiality, I could include them in the switched comments, but that seems to be stretching the bounds of the fake-medieval world that Skyrim is based on. 

 

I get your point about how people would be hesitant to insult the all-powerful Dragonborn, but then again my all-powerful Dragonborn PC is often seen on her hands and knees in the inn submitting to unmentionable things, so I suspect she has lost some respect.  Also, I struggle with who is supposed to know the PC is the Dragonborn. Stories of the Dragonborn would certainly spread, but how do people know what the Dragonborn looks like? I was playing yesterday, and my Dragonborn PC ended up in the Skaal Village on Solstheim for the very first time, before playing any 'Dragonborn' quests on Solstheim, and a young girl (child) came up and addressed me as the Dragonborn (using this mod). I made a mental note to go back and fine tune the 'Dragonborn' comments so that this kind of thing won't occur.  I'm curious to know people's thoughts on this, but I think there should be a more realistic way to determine whether people know your PC is the Dragonborn or not (outside of Whiterun, where everyone would quickly know after the guards see you and the Jarl and court hear the story, and everyone hears the Greybeard's call, etc.).

[shnigs]

Excuse me , I got a strange problem when using this mod. When I active the choice of Serana dialogue，and  carry both Sofia and Serana, the subtitle shown that the dialogue of asking for sex  from this mod were  said by Sofia (like 07223c01,07327fa7) ,the other dialogue of Serana (like071BBBA4) can be played correctly. May you give me some advice on how can I solve this problem ? I tried to fix it with ssedit ,but it seems to be a little to difficult to me.

[eflat01]

23 hours ago, Gristle said:

That is what the feature is intended to do. I guess it depends on how you define "harsh". At present, it doesn't remove all critical comments, but it should remove all comments that use harsh language (e.g., slut, whore). For example, a comment like "She'll never find a husband now." would be a critical comment, but it's something even a friend might say, so I don't consider it harsh. 

 

Also, note that "disable harsh comments" does not disable harsh comments about beastiality fame. Maybe this is the source of the harsh comments? My original thought was that even a Skyrim that was more "permissive" about nudity and sex (the reason for the harsh language toggle) would not approve of beastiality. I could disable those comments as well, but in general the entire comment set was designed to be consistent with the vanilla dialogue -- meaning my idea of how the vanilla NPCs would talk in the fake-medieval language and culture of the vanilla dialogue. But, if there is a desire for a Skyrim culture that approves of beastiality, I could include them in the switched comments, but that seems to be stretching the bounds of the fake-medieval world that Skyrim is based on. 

 

I get your point about how people would be hesitant to insult the all-powerful Dragonborn, but then again my all-powerful Dragonborn PC is often seen on her hands and knees in the inn submitting to unmentionable things, so I suspect she has lost some respect.  Also, I struggle with who is supposed to know the PC is the Dragonborn. Stories of the Dragonborn would certainly spread, but how do people know what the Dragonborn looks like? I was playing yesterday, and my Dragonborn PC ended up in the Skaal Village on Solstheim for the very first time, before playing any 'Dragonborn' quests on Solstheim, and a young girl (child) came up and addressed me as the Dragonborn (using this mod). I made a mental note to go back and fine tune the 'Dragonborn' comments so that this kind of thing won't occur.  I'm curious to know people's thoughts on this, but I think there should be a more realistic way to determine whether people know your PC is the Dragonborn or not (outside of Whiterun, where everyone would quickly know after the guards see you and the Jarl and court hear the story, and everyone hears the Greybeard's call, etc.).

 

I agree, I think you've done a great job in that area and still what people may not deem harsh, others may it' just opinions. Personally I prefer people express what they think. Unless some form of personality traits may be set upon npc's things like that can't really be fined tuned very much, relationshiprank, race, gender, faction, etc... all you really have to work with.

 

Yes, I always found it amazing how the Dragonborn's notoriety always preceded them... It's not their reputation but the immediate recognition. That's common in every Bethesda game that the protagonist's picture must be plastered in every newspaper and are posters hanging in every Post Office. 

 

The again, who am I to say... I'm just Batman yet, nobody I know recognizes me. 😉 

[borrims]

On 12/25/2024 at 5:14 AM, Gristle said:

That is what the feature is intended to do. I guess it depends on how you define "harsh". At present, it doesn't remove all critical comments, but it should remove all comments that use harsh language (e.g., slut, whore). For example, a comment like "She'll never find a husband now." would be a critical comment, but it's something even a friend might say, so I don't consider it harsh. 

 

Also, note that "disable harsh comments" does not disable harsh comments about beastiality fame. Maybe this is the source of the harsh comments? My original thought was that even a Skyrim that was more "permissive" about nudity and sex (the reason for the harsh language toggle) would not approve of beastiality. I could disable those comments as well, but in general the entire comment set was designed to be consistent with the vanilla dialogue -- meaning my idea of how the vanilla NPCs would talk in the fake-medieval language and culture of the vanilla dialogue. But, if there is a desire for a Skyrim culture that approves of beastiality, I could include them in the switched comments, but that seems to be stretching the bounds of the fake-medieval world that Skyrim is based on. 

 

I get your point about how people would be hesitant to insult the all-powerful Dragonborn, but then again my all-powerful Dragonborn PC is often seen on her hands and knees in the inn submitting to unmentionable things, so I suspect she has lost some respect.  Also, I struggle with who is supposed to know the PC is the Dragonborn. Stories of the Dragonborn would certainly spread, but how do people know what the Dragonborn looks like? I was playing yesterday, and my Dragonborn PC ended up in the Skaal Village on Solstheim for the very first time, before playing any 'Dragonborn' quests on Solstheim, and a young girl (child) came up and addressed me as the Dragonborn (using this mod). I made a mental note to go back and fine tune the 'Dragonborn' comments so that this kind of thing won't occur.  I'm curious to know people's thoughts on this, but I think there should be a more realistic way to determine whether people know your PC is the Dragonborn or not (outside of Whiterun, where everyone would quickly know after the guards see you and the Jarl and court hear the story, and everyone hears the Greybeard's call, etc.).

I still get critical comments like "I can't believe you sleep with women!" (as a lesbian dragonborn) which I feel like a regular person definitely should not be saying to the dragonborn's face due to fear (since simply liking women is not a trait which would make people see the dragonborn as submissive/mashocistic). As a side note, merely having sex with many people seems to increase the whore fame stat which then makes people say things like "shouldn't you be at the whore house?" (personally I disagree with this whore fame logic since it only makes sense for a submissive PC who opens their legs for everyone, but not from the perspective of a dominant PC who successfully seduces many people).

 

I think it would be good to provide an MCM toggle to suit different people's playthroughs, as with your example of a dragonborn PC who is openly submissive/masochistic in public and thus wouldn't intimidate others from being critical, as opposed to a more dominant dragonborn. Otherwise, create a distinction between submissive and dominant fame gain events, e.g. having sex in the middle of town increases submissiveness and therefore harsh comments, while having sex at home is dominant and invites adventurous comments. As it stands, there seems to be no difference between the two, and having sex with my housecarls in my homes seems to be no different to doing it in public (currently I even somehow gain exhibitionist fame for being naked in my own house).

 

Even bestiality comments would have a nuance like this - if you gained bestiality fame at home via onlooking housecarl/spouse, then they might only "gossip" about it to some people who are comfortable with it instead of spreading it randomly to ruin your image, and even if someone who is uncomfortable about it overhears, they should still naturally be fearful of the dragonborn if they were to be directly harsh, hence creating a disparity between harsh comments and adventurous comments.

 

The thing is that in the vanilla game everyone already seems to know that the PC is the dragonborn for some reason (particularly after killing Alduin, after that everyone praises the dragonborn as the savior of the world even though barely anyone would know about it from the player's perspective), just like how they know the dragonborn is the guild leader of each of the 4 guilds the moment it happens. I suppose the logic is probably similar to this mod's, that word simply spreads by mouth and everyone becomes up to date with it (even if it makes no sense like thieves guild/dark brotherhood where that knowledge should logically be kept a secret, yet vanilla comments still result in that knowledge spreading everywhere anyway). So it would make sense to me to keep things simple and have fame spread the way it currently is since that's already vanilla game logic, but allow players to toggle harsh/critical comments in the case that their dragonborn has a dominant personality and would make people think twice from criticizing them, or go further and implement a system to gain submissiveness which then solicits harsh comments, since it would make logical sense for the default stance of NPCs to be respectful/fearful and only start being directly critical or harsh if/when the dragonborn starts being submissive in public.

Edited December 28, 2024 by borrims

[Gristle]

10 hours ago, borrims said:

I still get critical comments like "I can't believe you sleep with women!" (as a lesbian dragonborn) which I feel like a regular person definitely should not be saying to the dragonborn's face due to fear (since simply liking women is not a trait which would make people see the dragonborn as submissive/mashocistic). As a side note, merely having sex with many people seems to increase the whore fame stat which then makes people say things like "shouldn't you be at the whore house?" (personally I disagree with this whore fame logic since it only makes sense for a submissive PC who opens their legs for everyone, but not from the perspective of a dominant PC who successfully seduces many people).

Currently, there's no system to filter out negative comments based on Dragonborn status.  I'm always reluctant to put too much weight on NPC's knowing the PC is the Dragonborn, because, in most cases, it really doesn't make sense that they know the Dragonborn on sight. As you point out, the vanilla game does this, but no one likes it. Maybe, as you suggest below, some kind of dominant/submissive idea is a better way to approach? After all, a non-Dragonborn PC can be very powerful and frightening as well.

10 hours ago, borrims said:

I think it would be good to provide an MCM toggle to suit different people's playthroughs, as with your example of a dragonborn PC who is openly submissive/masochistic in public and thus wouldn't intimidate others from being critical, as opposed to a more dominant dragonborn. Otherwise, create a distinction between submissive and dominant fame gain events, e.g. having sex in the middle of town increases submissiveness and therefore harsh comments, while having sex at home is dominant and invites adventurous comments. As it stands, there seems to be no difference between the two, and having sex with my housecarls in my homes seems to be no different to doing it in public (currently I even somehow gain exhibitionist fame for being naked in my own house).

Fame game increases are done by the underlying mod. But the good news is that SLSF can be tuned very precisely. Specifically, you can set the percentage chance of fame spread differently based on the NPC relationship type. So, for households, everyone in the house will be relationship rank 1 or higher (friend or higher), so just set the percentage change of fame spread at 0 for friends, allies, lovers, etc. and then you won't become a "whore" or an "exhibitionist" for sex in your home.

10 hours ago, borrims said:

Even bestiality comments would have a nuance like this - if you gained bestiality fame at home via onlooking housecarl/spouse, then they might only "gossip" about it to some people who are comfortable with it instead of spreading it randomly to ruin your image, and even if someone who is uncomfortable about it overhears, they should still naturally be fearful of the dragonborn if they were to be directly harsh, hence creating a disparity between harsh comments and adventurous comments.

Here, I think the best solution is to set SLSF so your friends don't gossip at all. Then no one outside the home will know of your beastiality.

10 hours ago, borrims said:

The thing is that in the vanilla game everyone already seems to know that the PC is the dragonborn for some reason (particularly after killing Alduin, after that everyone praises the dragonborn as the savior of the world even though barely anyone would know about it from the player's perspective), just like how they know the dragonborn is the guild leader of each of the 4 guilds the moment it happens. I suppose the logic is probably similar to this mod's, that word simply spreads by mouth and everyone becomes up to date with it (even if it makes no sense like thieves guild/dark brotherhood where that knowledge should logically be kept a secret, yet vanilla comments still result in that knowledge spreading everywhere anyway). So it would make sense to me to keep things simple and have fame spread the way it currently is since that's already vanilla game logic, but allow players to toggle harsh/critical comments in the case that their dragonborn has a dominant personality and would make people think twice from criticizing them, or go further and implement a system to gain submissiveness which then solicits harsh comments, since it would make logical sense for the default stance of NPCs to be respectful/fearful and only start being directly critical or harsh if/when the dragonborn starts being submissive in public.

You are right that it's vanilla game logic, but it doesn't seem to be a wise choice nonetheless. But I do agree there could be improvements to the mod in this area. Because the fame detection is done by the underlying SLSF mod, the "in public" detection aspect is going to have to be done by the SLSF relationship rank settings. 

 

However, I could improve the Dragonborn status detection so more people know about Dragonborn status. Everyone in Whiterun should quickly know. Perhaps when you become Thane in another town, those townsfolk should all know as well. (I imagine the Thane ceremony/announcement would also mention Dragonborn status.)

 

As for submissive/dominant, submissive fame is being tracked - it is generated when the PC is the "Victim" in a Sexlab animation with a "Victim" flag, meaning the PC is being forced. I could perhaps use (lack of) submissive fame to condition the negative comments. But, it is still complicated. Whether an NPC is afraid of a PC would be based on things like Dragonborn status and submissiveness, but would logically also be based on other things like PC level and outfit. For example, a low-level Dragonborn in fur armor is not going to scare many people. And a high-level Dragonborn who is naked, dirty and cum-covered might not be too intimidating either.  But, using submissive fame is probably the best way to do this. 

[borrims]

17 hours ago, Gristle said:

Fame game increases are done by the underlying mod. But the good news is that SLSF can be tuned very precisely. Specifically, you can set the percentage chance of fame spread differently based on the NPC relationship type. So, for households, everyone in the house will be relationship rank 1 or higher (friend or higher), so just set the percentage change of fame spread at 0 for friends, allies, lovers, etc. and then you won't become a "whore" or an "exhibitionist" for sex in your home.

The problem I have with this is that if I want to gain Likes Women fame in order to unlock the Mjoll quest (I think?) for example then I actually want fame to spread from friends/allies/lovers inside my home, since the alternative is public sex which brings along other undesired fame gains.

 

17 hours ago, Gristle said:

As for submissive/dominant, submissive fame is being tracked - it is generated when the PC is the "Victim" in a Sexlab animation with a "Victim" flag, meaning the PC is being forced. I could perhaps use (lack of) submissive fame to condition the negative comments. But, it is still complicated. Whether an NPC is afraid of a PC would be based on things like Dragonborn status and submissiveness, but would logically also be based on other things like PC level and outfit. For example, a low-level Dragonborn in fur armor is not going to scare many people. And a high-level Dragonborn who is naked, dirty and cum-covered might not be too intimidating either.  But, using submissive fame is probably the best way to do this. 

 

In my opinion it could go either way for any of those scenarios. For example, a dominant and powerful dragonborn in bikini armor or even nude is still going to cause people to be fearful of making harsh comments in their face as long as they know that the dragonborn is dominant and would not like people criticizing their exhibitionism, since it would be seen as the dragonborn's hobby and so the average person is going to be too scared to criticize that directly. On the other hand, you could also have a scenario where the dragonborn is in full plate armor but everyone knows they are submissive and therefore feel confident in telling the dragonborn to strip and service them etc.

 

So I don't think it's fully about specific acts/fame categories which are inherently considered to be submissive/dominant, which is why I think it would be good to separate that into its own category in order to determine the type of comments people will make, e.g. whore+submissive = harsh comments ("go to the whore house!"/NPCs asking for sex in a derogatory manner), but whore+dominant = adventurous comments (NPCs boldly asking for sex without insults). As for how this could be done via gameplay I'm not sure, which is why I suggested an MCM toggle for the player to set it since everyone decides their own character's personality. Maybe you could create some NPC comments which bring up a conversation with dialog options, and have the player response determine whether the PC/fame is considered submissive or dominant, e.g. if someone calls the PC a whore for wearing bikini armor then the player could either choose to admit it/be apologetic/etc (submissive) or push back/own it/etc (dominant).

 

You also brought up a good point about non-dragonborn PCs who could also be powerful; perhaps you could also factor in the level difference between PC/NPC to determine whether they will refrain from harsh comments or not.

Edited December 29, 2024 by borrims

[eflat01]

8 hours ago, borrims said:

The problem I have with this is that if I want to gain Likes Women fame in order to unlock the Mjoll quest (I think?) for example then I actually want fame to spread from friends/allies/lovers inside my home, since the alternative is public sex which brings along other undesired fame gains.

 

 

In my opinion it could go either way for any of those scenarios. For example, a dominant and powerful dragonborn in bikini armor or even nude is still going to cause people to be fearful of making harsh comments in their face as long as they know that the dragonborn is dominant and would not like people criticizing their exhibitionism, since it would be seen as the dragonborn's hobby and so the average person is going to be too scared to criticize that directly. On the other hand, you could also have a scenario where the dragonborn is in full plate armor but everyone knows they are submissive and therefore feel confident in telling the dragonborn to strip and service them etc.

 

So I don't think it's fully about specific acts/fame categories which are inherently considered to be submissive/dominant, which is why I think it would be good to separate that into its own category in order to determine the type of comments people will make, e.g. whore+submissive = harsh comments ("go to the whore house!"/NPCs asking for sex in a derogatory manner), but whore+dominant = adventurous comments (NPCs boldly asking for sex without insults). As for how this could be done via gameplay I'm not sure, which is why I suggested an MCM toggle for the player to set it since everyone decides their own character's personality. Maybe you could create some NPC comments which bring up a conversation with dialog options, and have the player response determine whether the PC/fame is considered submissive or dominant, e.g. if someone calls the PC a whore for wearing bikini armor then the player could either choose to admit it/be apologetic/etc (submissive) or push back/own it/etc (dominant).

 

You also brought up a good point about non-dragonborn PCs who could also be powerful; perhaps you could also factor in the level difference between PC/NPC to determine whether they will refrain from harsh comments or not.

 

I always built a female PC yet things like this never really bothered me... I find it funny actually.

 

Get them all the time... "I can't believe the Dragonborn is a carpet licker?"

 

In my mind, I'd like to spout back:  "Well not really, Serana apparently shaves besides who enjoys getting hair caught between their teeth?"

 

Then again it all depends on how you look at this. It's funny how people even know the PC is the Dragonborn even before they ever met them (Photo must be in the newspapers?). Anyway, the DB will even receive lightly back-handed compliments from time to time even within the base game. 

 

Add in mods, i.e. I have SDA installed and Serana is rather critical of anything you do concerning Daedra for instance. Mind you she means well but it is criticism of the DB's actions all the same.

 

Yes, Everyone's a critic, 

 

However people actually would be  likely more critical of the DB's actions. What I'm stating here is people actually so have a strange tendency to knock down those they perceive as a hero, powerful, a celebrity a notch or too... they actually are more critical of what they imagine as flaws in those of notoriety.  Whether that be out of envy or what-not... 

 

Top that along with the fact that some of the more critical and outspoken people in any society also happen to hold the least status and position within society to back the words and expression up. Socially, for instance children tend to spout out without thinking anything thought through... is why they get reprimanded. 

 

I do not know if you ever thought about it... but many times it's the people at the bottom who are in the best position to express criticisms, they've less to lose and are more likely to garner support through sympathy.

 

Is funny how people talk about grouchy old men, some old dude usually cares little about what other people think, they'd experienced ramifications many times before. However, the worst was when I grew up it was always old ladies you tried to never ticked off, crossed, nor spoke back to no matter how mean or condescending they were to you. They get the pass...

 

Brings up the straight fact for that matter. Women are more outspoken and for a reason, they tend to experience less dire consequences for ill behavior all throughout their lives even when they are wrong... They knew that, and still do. The truth is It's not like you could do anything about it outside of leave their presence, obviously what are you possibly going to do? If you chastised them back you'd be scolded by anyone witnessing - you're the a-hole no matter what, and if you're young your parents will put you in your place and you'd get called out for lacking respect even if she was an old witch, You handled it entirely wrong - you leave! You definitely couldn't do anything in any physical sense. 

 

Yes, People are very intelligent yet spontaneously stupid at times. However, with power and notoriety comes a lot of responsibility, So, then you're generally looked upon, held at higher standards and in turn more considered more accountable and a target. If you make a mistake you can go from hero to butcher - public enemy number one - rather quickly. I certainly would not recommend hurting or killing someone's son, daughter, mother or father. Word gets around especially if grandma hears about it, Nobody is above scrutiny of other's opinions be them good or bad.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by eflat01

[eflat01]

8 hours ago, borrims said:

The problem I have with this is that if I want to gain Likes Women fame in order to unlock the Mjoll quest (I think?) for example then I actually want fame to spread from friends/allies/lovers inside my home, since the alternative is public sex which brings along other undesired fame gains.

 

 

 

Yes, So, the question comes down to how to acquire the fame? Yes, you can set fame garnered from inside the home via lovers or possibly leave them off? Think about this if you brought in a second follower into your house  and then have relations with your spouse... will they blab that? I think you can set it up a home even with it's own fame location and set the contagion high on it. Though that would likely trigger a increase in public also, question is however is there a way to weigh two fame values differently?

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by eflat01

[borrims]

13 hours ago, eflat01 said:

 

However people actually would be  likely more critical of the DB's actions. What I'm stating here is people actually so have a strange tendency to knock down those they perceive as a hero, powerful, a celebrity a notch or too... they actually are more critical of what they imagine as flaws in those of notoriety.  Whether that be out of envy or what-not...

 

I think they would most likely gossip behind the hero's back if they wanted to do that, not actually tell the hero right in their face what they think of them, which is currently what this mod does regardless of whether your PC is a submissive weakling or an all-powerful savior of the world.

 

In vanilla, if you complete the dark brotherhood questline then the comments you get from people who magically know you're part of it will all make fearful/respectful comments instead of trying to tell you that you're a terrible evil person, obviously because they aren't going to take chances that a dark brotherhood member is going to fear the law and not kill them out of anger.

 

Even for non-evil PCs, brawling is a thing in the setting that people don't seem to get in trouble for, so I really can't see someone mouthing off directly to a known powerful hero without fearing a powerful fist in the face.

[NymphoElf]

On 12/29/2024 at 6:24 AM, borrims said:

The problem I have with this is that if I want to gain Likes Women fame in order to unlock the Mjoll quest (I think?) for example then I actually want fame to spread from friends/allies/lovers inside my home, since the alternative is public sex which brings along other undesired fame gains.

 

Hmm, this is an interesting concept that I think I can add in SLSF Reloaded. I've already thought of a way to accomplish what you're looking for. For example, I can add a "Forbid Fame From Friends/Lovers" page with toggles on each category you want to forbid them from causing fame increases. Give me some time to hash this out.

Edited January 2, 2025 by NymphoElf

[eflat01]

7 hours ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Hmm, this is an interesting concept that I think I can add in SLSF Reloaded. I've already thought of a way to accomplish what you're looking for. For example, I can add a "Forbid Fame From Friends/Lovers" page with toggles on each category you want to forbid them from causing fame increases. Give me some time to hash this out.

 

I thought SLSF Reloaded already had this?  SLSF has this on it's configuration tab - fame gain probability settings for Lovers, Friends, Neutrals and Enemies.

 

Which makes a lot of sense, it's not like your wife goes around gossiping about what's going on in the bedroom to everyone - least you'd hope so. 😉 Loose lips sink ships... 

 

Lovers default is 10%, If you set it to 0 they never blab to their friends... If you set it to 100% they'll call their friends up after sex, tell everyone they meet at the market, inn, etc...  hell, they're likely making videos - look for hidden cameras in Breezehome. 😉 

 

BTW... had that string data issues between SLSF Reloaded to SLSF been fixed and tested out okay? Last I saw it was marked as a beta.  

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:55 PM, borrims said:

I think they would most likely gossip behind the hero's back if they wanted to do that, not actually tell the hero right in their face what they think of them, which is currently what this mod does regardless of whether your PC is a submissive weakling or an all-powerful savior of the world.

 

In vanilla, if you complete the dark brotherhood questline then the comments you get from people who magically know you're part of it will all make fearful/respectful comments instead of trying to tell you that you're a terrible evil person, obviously because they aren't going to take chances that a dark brotherhood member is going to fear the law and not kill them out of anger.

 

Even for non-evil PCs, brawling is a thing in the setting that people don't seem to get in trouble for, so I really can't see someone mouthing off directly to a known powerful hero without fearing a powerful fist in the face.

 

I agree to much degree, however reputation/personality in Skyrim seems nearly one sided - it's not like npc's are marked very well. I suppose the mod can determine if the PC had completed certain quest stages to determine their notoriety and power. 

 

Technically, even when it comes to npcs I suppose if we wanted it to vary a little they could examine their Aggression, Confidence, Energy, Mood and Assistance to determine if they'd put their foot in their mouth or what not. I never noticed how many npc's were marked Disgusted until I started looking here. 

 

i.e. Balgruuf is unaggressive, helps allies but foolhardy... of course being a Jarl likely means he may do what the heck he wants - he's marked essential by official patch, lol is like he knows that. 😉 

 

It would be nice if the meat-markets (inns and taverns) had a different vibe... where there is alcohol theirs people who aren't normally idiots loose their inhibitions and act stupidly. 

 

That could be doable, but also taxing on both the dev and the machine to place more weighted probabilities in the game.

 

I had mentioned to Gristle many pages back, seemed funny to me prostitutes would make derogatory comments to a prostitute... obviously. Comes down to it character traits/morals are none existent and until some system of it were thought out, no way to clarify who does or says what.

 

You do know brawling is actually reserved for those few npc's who pick the brawl, a quest, as a contest. You can't walk in and just start brawling with Hulda or even the Bard there wo half the entire Banner Mare jumping in on you - and they'll do so with weapons. 

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by eflat01

[eflat01]

Gristle, I have a question on events... is it possible to place some time interval between them, maybe? pretty please? 

 

The reason I ask is the PC took the plunge - married - Serna and for some reason that little beast of a lady's libido is always through the roof. btw: She's set the "Likes to Share" and Is so much worse when you have your spouse and another follower along too... trying to get out the door at Breezehome, just from the stairs to the front door, Serana asks for it, followed by Syd (she's an added follower) and then Lydia. Funny as hell but... 

 

Good thing we did not go to Windstad... are three followers, a bard and couple of guards there, The PC would be as popular as a bottle of Muscatel on skid-row. 

 

I assume the PC can take off the wedding band to limit some of it. 

Edited January 2, 2025 by eflat01

[NymphoElf]

2 hours ago, eflat01 said:

I thought SLSF Reloaded already had this?  SLSF has this on it's configuration tab - fame gain probability settings for Lovers, Friends, Neutrals and Enemies.

 

They're not talking about Enemy/Neutral/Friend/Lover Fame by itself. They're talking about a way to filter for specific fame types among these groups (or at least that's what it sounds like they want). Therefore I'm working on a Friend/Lover "Fame Forbiddance" system which will allow you to block certain fame types from increasing among these people. For example, I might want my lovers/spouse to not give me Slut fame, but still let me gain Likes Men fame. I'm not much of a slut if I'm sleeping with my husband right? (I'll hard-code that specific interaction, but it should convey my point regardless)

 

2 hours ago, eflat01 said:

BTW... had that string data issues between SLSF Reloaded to SLSF been fixed and tested out okay? Last I saw it was marked as a beta.

 

Can you elaborate/specify? If you're talking about the 2.4 Beta, I'm well past that at this point. I'll be releasing 2.8 once I get the aforementioned Fame Forbiddance system ready, which should be very soon.

Edited January 2, 2025 by NymphoElf

[eflat01]

28 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

They're not talking about Enemy/Neutral/Friend/Lover Fame by itself. They're talking about a way to filter for specific fame types among these groups (or at least that's what it sounds like they want). Therefore I'm working on a Friend/Lover "Fame Forbiddance" system which will allow you to block certain fame types from increasing among these people. For example, I might want my lovers/spouse to not give me Slut fame, but still let me gain Likes Men fame. I'm not much of a slut if I'm sleeping with my husband right? (I'll hard-code that specific interaction, but it should convey my point regardless)

 

 

Can you elaborate/specify? If you're talking about the 2.4 Beta, I'm well past that at this point. I'll be releasing 2.8 once I get the aforementioned Fame Forbiddance system ready, which should be very soon.

 

Oh, I think I misread their post... the way I read it was that they only wanted "likes women fame", but I see being inside the family home the only have the option to turn all fame off by restricting the home and/or lover, which of course will eliminate it... if those are on you'll also gain other fame - such as oral,  maybe others, etc... and slut,  Is that it? 

 

Obviously, Just marrying a Woman we'd have to assume they "like women". Of course again if you're in public even actions with your spouse you'd likely garner some of those other types of fame in public opinion. 

 

Oh and yay! Will be tossing Reloaded back in the load...

Edited January 2, 2025 by eflat01

[NymphoElf]

16 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

Oh, I think I misread their post... the way I read it was that they only wanted "likes women fame", but I see being inside the family home the only have the option to turn all fame off by restricting the home and/or lover, which of course will eliminate it... if those are on you'll also gain other fame - such as oral,  maybe others, etc... and slut,  Is that it? 

 

Correct. The Fame by Enemy/Neutral/Friend/Lover odds are an "All or Nothing" deal as of right now. Reloaded is a bit more nuanced with its randomization based on eligible categories through the Periodic Checks, but having sex will still give you everything you're eligible for based on the animation's tags and a couple other conditions. This will be further nuanced once the Forbiddance system is done. (The Forbiddance system won't apply to Neutrals/Enemies because you don't have the proper relationship with them to control what they say, both literally and figuratively)

[eflat01]

54 minutes ago, NymphoElf said:

 

Correct. The Fame by Enemy/Neutral/Friend/Lover odds are an "All or Nothing" deal as of right now. Reloaded is a bit more nuanced with its randomization based on eligible categories through the Periodic Checks, but having sex will still give you everything you're eligible for based on the animation's tags and a couple other conditions. This will be further nuanced once the Forbiddance system is done. (The Forbiddance system won't apply to Neutrals/Enemies because you don't have the proper relationship with them to control what they say, both literally and figuratively)

 

You're a G.O.A.T. Is a great idea and obviously doable, I'd imagine there would be a setting differences between Friend vs Lover too? 

Edited January 2, 2025 by eflat01

[NymphoElf]

23 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

You're a G.O.A.T. Is a great idea and obviously doable

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, eflat01 said:

I'd imagine there would be a setting differences between Friend vs Lover too? 

 

Correct. You'll be able to toggle each Fame category you forbid for Friends and Lovers separately. There will also be customizable odds of these people "ignoring/betraying" your request for them to not give you fame in these categories, as well as an option for your current fame to affect the odds of these people "ignoring/betraying" your request for them to not give you fame in those categories. For example, if I have 100+ Whore fame in a location, my friends in that location would be less likely to not talk about how much of a Whore I am (through the Periodic Fame checks).

 

Additionally, having sex with Friends or Lovers will no longer guarantee Fame Gains, and will instead go off of the Fame by Friends/Lovers odds, but will always respect Fame Forbiddance rules. (Otherwise that would be a lot of dice rolls, and that would slow the script down)

 

Lastly, having sex with Lovers will never give Whore or Slut fame in the next update and beyond. (Other factors may still cause it to happen though, such as a Periodic Check triggering while you're having sex with them.)

Edited January 2, 2025 by NymphoElf