SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[Gristle]

On 1/3/2024 at 8:30 AM, Khrusaor said:

Hello! Any news on next update?

I'm just finishing up an expansion for my Balazar mod. Should just be a couple of days, and then I'll turn back to this mod after that. The main questions I have are: 1) what should be included in this mod next? and 2) should I be concerned about additional dialogue making voice packs so large as to be impractical?

 

The TODO list for the next version is currently as follows:

 

[ ] Make bug fixes for a few of the Mjoll and Serana Sexlab calls that are incorrect.  

[ ] Add MCM-selectable feature to have follower take clothing/armor items stripped from PC (rather than just unequipping)
[ ] Add comment control frequency to all "bump" comments (which currently don't all have the frequency control)

[ ] Add check so bump comments don't trigger for last Sexlab partner (to avoid inappropriate bump comments after sex)
[ ] Add comments on PC sex with creatures for Faendal, Mjoll and Serana (other NPC comments are already there)
[ ] Put all priests in priest faction so priest conditions work properly (not sure why they're not already all in priest faction in vanilla game)
[ ] Add checks for Ancient Profession brothels and adjust dialogue (in my modded game, this is the only place the current dialogue is not immersive)
[ ] Add Markarth Jarl dialogue option to end to Dibellen Whore status
[ ] Try to fix two troublesome quest markers in Markarth quest

[ ] Replace clunky forcegreets in Markarth quest forest encounter with a proper "scene" (now that I know how to do this)
 

One thing I would like to add would be a new set of comments/events for PCs with a spouse. I did this for the Public Whore Comments mod and I think it turned out pretty good. I could do it even better here because I would have access to all the SLSF fame levels and also access to an MCM for configuration. Scenarios could include, for example, a PC cuckolding his or her spouse. The spouse would have comments on the PC's cheating/public displays, and other NPCs would have comments on the relationship as well. For events, the PC could proposition others, get propositioned, bring NPCs home, get visited by past partners, etc. The spouse could be upset about the cheating (i.e., a traditional "cuckold") or perhaps likes to encourage, watch and/or join in (i.e., a "swinger/hotwife" scenario).  Or, the PC could be the cuckold, with the NPC spouse having the events to proposition others, get propositioned, bring NPCs home, get visited by past partners, etc.   

 

Thoughts? Any other ideas?

[Veldon]

I'm in the process of restructing my Skyrim, because I switched to special / anniversary edition. As I had a look at the special edition mods I found one that focuses in infidelity of the player. How about counting the times of cheating and an option to be considered a whoremonger if a certain threshold is reached. THat could lead to derogative comments by NPCs of the opposite gender or moral NPCs (first the town in which the incident happened, later in other towns, too) as well as an increased chance of solicitation by prostitutes. The spouse could also have an interest in whipping the cheater or calling for a forced divorce.

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, Veldon said:

I'm in the process of restructing my Skyrim, because I switched to special / anniversary edition. As I had a look at the special edition mods I found one that focuses in infidelity of the player. How about counting the times of cheating and an option to be considered a whoremonger if a certain threshold is reached. THat could lead to derogative comments by NPCs of the opposite gender or moral NPCs (first the town in which the incident happened, later in other towns, too) as well as an increased chance of solicitation by prostitutes.

I envision two counting systems. First, a counter for the NPC spouse that increments each time they observe the PC having sex (not as 'Victim') with an NPC. Second, SLSF has one currently unused fame variable that it tracks in 24 Skyrim locations. This could be used for a general PC "Cheating" fame. So, a PC's spouse could react to both the direct observation counter and also to the PC's cheating fame in the area. Other NPCs would just react to the PC's cheating fame in the area. Certainly a 'cheater' could attract derogatory comments from some, and would also be more likely to be solicited for sex by others. 

5 hours ago, Veldon said:

The spouse could also have an interest in whipping the cheater or calling for a forced divorce.

I'm not sure about a forced divorce. That would end the fun. 

[Veldon]

A divorce opens up new possibilities. ?

Hiere is the link to the mod I mentioned earlier.

Edited January 9, 2024 by Veldon

[Lucci213]

On 1/8/2024 at 3:33 AM, Gristle said:

Thoughts? Any other ideas?

 

How about a second look at khajiit follower comments?

 

Ver 3.5 has working comments for female khajiit followers, but the male khajiit followers still don't make comments. I think there's also a few errors in there because I remember a follower saying "He smells of skooma. I hope he is willing to share." when I was playing as a female PC and Skooma wasn't listed under Active Effects. Tho I did have Skooma Whore installed and had a mild addiction, so that could be working as intended.

[Tentacle_Erotica]

Hello, I love this mod and taken a bit of an interest in learning CK and coding in general recently. And I have been trying to add some of my own custom follower events using existing ones from this mod as a rough guide for personal use, but since I'm a noob, I am failing hard at it. So I figured I would ask you if you could provide some DIY steps on how to make custom followerevents for dummies. If not then that's ok, I understand no hard feelings.

 

Also, for some suggestions I feel like theres not enough orgy or gangbang events currently. I know there is some for the dawnguard, clan volkihar, and a few inns but maybe some events involving military camps or other guilds like the companions and thieves guild would be nice to have.

 

As for the spouse comments, maybe you could implement some kind of NTR or cheating comments from the spouse for when the PC gets a high enough likes man/woman fame. Like maybe word gets around how the PC has been unfaithful and in return your spouse is no longer faithful either as an act of jealousy or revenge and will occasionally comment about it you. Perhaps you could even tie in some racial comments to it as well.

[Adroit]

On the spouse comments - I really love that idea.  I've been using this mod for a while, it's great, and I'd love to have some NTR content added, lol.

 

Comments from NPCs/the PC's spouse on the PC cheating sound incredible.  I'm rebuilding my list atm, and I was excited to read about those in your PW Comments mod and I think they'd be even better here.

[Veldon]

On 1/7/2024 at 8:33 PM, Gristle said:

Thoughts? Any other ideas?

Some humiliating events would be fun.

• Whores who trick wealthy clients respectively wealthy clients that are tricked by whores: A robbery event (loss of anything that counts as clothing or armour) after the sex without being allowed to fight the the thieving magpie since the event happens in a town or an inn (within a town).
• Someone heard / said that the (male) PC is a whoremonger. Now all the upright women scoff at him or call him names.
• Immoral women goose the lewd PC wherever he/she is and ask him/her if "sweetie" wants to have a nice time. Bystanders comment on that.
• An angered Olfina slaps the PC.
• The PC had sex with guards for whatever reason. Now other immoral guards want to get a share of the pie. Unless the PC gives in they strip him down in the guardhouse or prison and search him very thoroughly while all present guards comment on the scene.
• Immoral guards or robbers catch the unbearably honourable PC with a follower at night. They force them to strip, take all money and clothes and leave the couple stark-naked somewhere in town.

Edited January 10, 2024 by Veldon

[Saber2th]

On 1/8/2024 at 8:33 AM, Gristle said:

Thoughts? Any other ideas?

 

Don't know how much work this would be, but how about adding adjustable chance/frequencies to different events?

Events such as the skooma rape is so frequent that my character's physical decay can never go down, I'm forced to disable it entirely.

 

Or perhaps just a simpler solution to change the forced drugged rape to an skooma offer + rape instead?

[Gristle]

On 1/9/2024 at 11:22 AM, Veldon said:

Hiere is the link to the mod I mentioned earlier.

Thanks. I wasn't planning on brawls, but that mod should be a good complement.

[Gristle]

10 hours ago, Lucci213 said:

How about a second look at khajiit follower comments?  

 

Ver 3.5 has working comments for female khajiit followers, but the male khajiit followers still don't make comments.

Yes. Good point. Those are very minimal at present, and only support female khajiit followers. I'll work on expanding those. The current dialogue lines are patterned after the way M'rissi speaks, as that's my favorite female khajiit follower.  

10 hours ago, Lucci213 said:

I think there's also a few errors in there because I remember a follower saying "He smells of skooma. I hope he is willing to share." when I was playing as a female PC and Skooma wasn't listed under Active Effects. Tho I did have Skooma Whore installed and had a mild addiction, so that could be working as intended.

That line and a couple of others are triggered by SLSF "Skooma Fame", which you get from being observed drinking skooma. So, unless you have your SLSF fame set to decay really fast in the SLSF MCM, your PC might not have actually drunk skooma recently. That's just the way the SLSF skooma fame works. Also, the magic effect for regular skooma doesn't have a duration, it just restores 25 points of skooma, so there's really no magic effect for me to detect.

[Gristle]

10 hours ago, Tentacle_Erotica said:

Hello, I love this mod and taken a bit of an interest in learning CK and coding in general recently. And I have been trying to add some of my own custom follower events using existing ones from this mod as a rough guide for personal use, but since I'm a noob, I am failing hard at it. So I figured I would ask you if you could provide some DIY steps on how to make custom followerevents for dummies. If not then that's ok, I understand no hard feelings.

I'm happy to answer questions about my code or the CK generally, but I don't want to fill up this support thread with that. Why don't you put your questions in a post in the Skyrim Technical Support thread and I'll do my best to answer them there.

10 hours ago, Tentacle_Erotica said:

Also, for some suggestions I feel like theres not enough orgy or gangbang events currently. I know there is some for the dawnguard, clan volkihar, and a few inns but maybe some events involving military camps or other guilds like the companions and thieves guild would be nice to have.

There are also some orgy events in the Ragged Flagon and Cistern. The main issue with these currently is that the orgy scenes only trigger when the named NPCs to be involved in the orgy are in the cell. The mod currently has no code to detect nearby random NPCs and stick them in an orgy. (Plus, that wouldn't be immersive in a lot of cases if I was just grabbing nearby NPCs at random.) So, I put the orgy events in places (and at times) when I know certain NPCs will be there. The companions guild hall is an omission though. I'll try to add something there.

10 hours ago, Tentacle_Erotica said:

As for the spouse comments, maybe you could implement some kind of NTR or cheating comments from the spouse for when the PC gets a high enough likes man/woman fame. Like maybe word gets around how the PC has been unfaithful and in return your spouse is no longer faithful either as an act of jealousy or revenge and will occasionally comment about it you. Perhaps you could even tie in some racial comments to it as well.

That's basically the idea, although I would use an unused SLSF fame track variable to track cheating fame based on actual cheating events observed by NPCs in the location, as well as a separate counter to track cheating events observed by the spouse directly. So, Likes Men or Likes Women fame could factor into the particular comments, but I don't think they would be needed to track the cheating.

 

As for spouse reaction, I was thinking of two types of spouse reaction based on spouse personality (selectable via MCM): 1) dislikes and tries to stop -- the classic "cuckold" scenario, and 2) likes and encourages (and/or watches and/or participates) -- the classic "swinger/hotwife" scenario.  I suppose category 1 could be subdivided into a) the submissive cuckold, who puts up with it, and b) the angry cuckold, who seeks revenge or to punish.

Edited January 11, 2024 by Gristle

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Adroit said:

I'm rebuilding my list atm, and I was excited to read about those in your PW Comments mod and I think they'd be even better here.

Thanks. It will be similar to the spouse-related comments in the PW Comments mod, so let me know if you have any comments on those.

[Gristle]

7 hours ago, Veldon said:

Some humiliating events would be fun.

• Whores who trick wealthy clients respectively wealthy clients that are tricked by whores: A robbery event (loss of anything that counts as clothing or armour) after the sex without being allowed to fight the the thieving magpie since the event happens in a town or an inn (within a town).
• Someone heard / said that the (male) PC is a whoremonger. Now all the upright women scoff at him or call him names.
• Immoral women goose the lewd PC wherever he/she is and ask him/her if "sweetie" wants to have a nice time. Bystanders comment on that.
• An angered Olfina slaps the PC.
• The PC had sex with guards for whatever reason. Now other immoral guards want to get a share of the pie. Unless the PC gives in they strip him down in the guardhouse or prison and search him very thoroughly while all present guards comment on the scene.
• Immoral guards or robbers catch the unbearably honourable PC with a follower at night. They force them to strip, take all money and clothes and leave the couple stark-naked somewhere in town.

Some of these kinds of events are in the mod now. The mod can't identify actual NPC whores, but a male PC who has a lot of sex with whores will acquire SLUT fame and get appropriate comments. Also, followers can strip the PC. 

 

As for goosing and slapping. I could expand the "bump" comments in the mod to include such slapping animations, using the system that Spank That Ass uses. I tried this in my Balazar mod, and it turned out OK, although I don't have the best audio for the slap and the resulting moan. 

 

I haven't yet tried this, but now that I know a bit more about aliases, I can probably figure out how to attract nearby guards for scenes.

 

As for robbing the PC, I don't want to do anything that would interfere with gameplay. I could strip the PC and a follower and stash their clothing/armor items somewhere, but I would have to think of an appropriate reason and scenario, and a way to get the stuff back. Also, Papyrus (the scripting language) is really slow with this task. To work with DD and ZaZ items, you need a script that runs through each item and checks for DD and ZaZ keywords. I got this to work in the Balazar mod, but it takes 30-40 seconds just to run the script on a PC.

[Gristle]

2 hours ago, Saber2th said:

Don't know how much work this would be, but how about adding adjustable chance/frequencies to different events?

Events such as the skooma rape is so frequent that my character's physical decay can never go down, I'm forced to disable it entirely.

 

Or perhaps just a simpler solution to change the forced drugged rape to an skooma offer + rape instead?

Adding an adjustable frequency to each type of event is going to be a lot of work. I could easily reduce the change of skooma rape, or I could as you suggest make the rape only follow acceptance of a skooma offer.

[Saber2th]

55 minutes ago, Gristle said:

Adding an adjustable frequency to each type of event is going to be a lot of work. I could easily reduce the change of skooma rape, or I could as you suggest make the rape only follow acceptance of a skooma offer.

 

Yes, I think it's more immersive to go with the skooma offer + rape anyway, plus it gives you the gameplay option of either get a quick fix or endure the withdrawal.

[aloevera5]

luv the mod, if you can please remove the ZAZ requirment!

[danna233]

I’m still worried about so many scripts, and you plan to add more) I’ve already deleted and installed the mod back several times, I deleted it for fear that my saves would bloat so that they would no longer load, I installed it back because of the content with followers, according to I think this is the best mod for them. I still hope that maybe you will make a separate version for followers and maybe spouses. Possessed NPCs are of little interest to me, and those who want a parade of cringe can install Troubles of Heroin

[rodrigo2]

I thought this mod was just about sexual comments.  What's with the KS hair mod?  What does that have to do with the comment mod?

[Gristle]

On 1/19/2024 at 1:36 AM, aloevera5 said:

luv the mod, if you can please remove the ZAZ requirment!

Thanks, but that's a requirement of the underlying SLSF mod, so I can't remove it since SLSF is a requirement for this mod.

[Gristle]

11 hours ago, danna233 said:

I’m still worried about so many scripts, and you plan to add more) I’ve already deleted and installed the mod back several times, I deleted it for fear that my saves would bloat so that they would no longer load, I installed it back because of the content with followers, according to I think this is the best mod for them. I still hope that maybe you will make a separate version for followers and maybe spouses. Possessed NPCs are of little interest to me, and those who want a parade of cringe can install Troubles of Heroin

Regarding scripts, I don't know what gets stored in saves. I can only say that I've run the mod for years and never had an issue. Also, 99.9% of the scripts in this mod are dialogue script fragments (TIF files). I'm not sure these behave the same way as other scripts. I can update these mid-game at any time as much as I want and the changes take place reliably on the next game load, which leads me to think they aren't relying on any properties or code or states stored in saves. 

 

I might make the spouse mod a separate mod. Still deciding. The downside to making mods separate is that people running the separated mods end up with more scripts. For example, a spouse mod will need a script to detect when the PC and/or spouse is having sex and with whom. It would also need a script to detect if the PC is in a dialogue menu, since that is not a standard dialogue condition. This mod has those scripts. If I add the spouse content here, the needed info is already available from those scripts. If I make the spouse content a separate mod, then I need to add the same scripts to that mod, and then someone with both mods has essentially duplicate scripts. So, I'm not sure there's a perfect answer.

[Gristle]

2 hours ago, rodrigo2 said:

I thought this mod was just about sexual comments.  What's with the KS hair mod?  What does that have to do with the comment mod?

The mod has a fairly extensive quest built into it, which begins when your SLSF Exhibitionism fame reaches a high level in Markarth. This quest introduces several new NPCs - thus the KS hair to make them look better. You can disable quests in the MCM if you don't want this quest to ever trigger. 

[danna233]

3 hours ago, Gristle said:

So, I'm not sure there's a perfect answer.

Spouse and followers) The rest can be left simply as comments without actions and, accordingly, scripts. I see that a lot of people here are just looking for comments. I think there will be a demand for this option. Separately, you can make a standard mod with all the harassment and rape, for those who don’t really like their character.

[rodrigo2]

5 hours ago, Gristle said:

The mod has a fairly extensive quest built into it, which begins when your SLSF Exhibitionism fame reaches a high level in Markarth. This quest introduces several new NPCs - thus the KS hair to make them look better. You can disable quests in the MCM if you don't want this quest to ever trigger. 

 

Thanks.   I already have KS hair in my load order, so would I even need to add this hair patch?

[Gristle]

9 hours ago, danna233 said:

Spouse and followers) The rest can be left simply as comments without actions and, accordingly, scripts. I see that a lot of people here are just looking for comments. I think there will be a demand for this option. Separately, you can make a standard mod with all the harassment and rape, for those who don’t really like their character.

Anyone who wants just comments can turn off all events in the MCM, or just the forced events if that is preferred. Then those event/comments will never occur, and the associated script fragments will never load.  As for the comments, anyone who wants a Skyrim that's tolerant of their PC's public nudity and sex can simply turn off the "harsh" comments in the MCM.  

 

I haven't had anyone report an issue with the large number of script fragments in the mod (and haven't seen any myself, despite running several PCs up to level 40-50 with it). Until then, I don't see any reason to split the mod, double the work of maintaining it, and add an extra .esm for those who want all features. And again, we are talking about script fragments, not scripts, and I don't think script fragments end up in your save. There's only two normal scripts in the mod, and both are short and only run on events (Sexlab animation event, dialogue interface open event), so this mod is not "script-heavy" in any normal sense.