SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[Gristle]

9 hours ago, Agnot said:

hi there!

Thanks, love your mod since the beggining!

Question, just curious: it seams GOSSIP it´s being update while SLSF it´s not.

Would you consider to make your mod work with GOSSIP or I´m simply out of place with my question? 

Not out of place. My biggest issue with making the mod work with Gossip is that I would have to create (and maintain) two versions of it (actually four, if you count LE and SE versions of each). At first, I thought I could just add checks against the Gossip fame variables in parallel to the SLSF variables. That would work (though it would require modification of thousands of conditions) but doing it that way means that SLSF and ZaZ remain dependencies. I'm assuming people choosing Gossip probably do not want those dependencies, which means I would have to strip all the SLSF/ZaZ stuff out of the Gossip version of the mod. In order to do that, I need a separate development environment, as the two mods would share many many file names, etc. That's also possible, but all this takes time and I've been working on other mods.

 

I'm all for supporting Gossip, and it's great that it's being developed. But I will mention that despite SLSF being unsupported, it's surprisingly stable and feature rich. Only one bug that I am aware of, and there are work-arounds for that. 

 

So, it's relatively simple for me to support Gossip without removing any current mod dependencies, but I don't know if that's what people would want.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Gristle

[Scautura]

I for one would appreciate a Gossip supporting version, even without removing current dependencies.

 

I've been having issues (and I'm aware of others with the same issue) with SLSF where it doesn't seem to change the fame levels, no matter what. They're stuck at 0. I've still got it installed (even while having Gossip installed) on the off chance that something changes (not that I'd be able to figure out what!) so it ends up working. I've patched SLSF Comments to work with Gossip (I accept that the whole thing is unsupported and any issues are of my own doing) and been considering doing the same with Public Whore, because of my issues. So essentially, it would be nice to have "official support" and not rely on my own (amateur) skills when it comes to modding.

[Karkhel]

6 hours ago, Scautura said:

I for one would appreciate a Gossip supporting version, even without removing current dependencies.

Don't take this as me being condescending as I never used gossip (partially because I'm on LE), I'm just genuinely curious what would that entail in practice, what does gossip have that fame does not cover? Or does it have some mods that use it in an interesting way?

[Onilink69]

Hi. I love the fame and fame comment mods, but i am using a lot of different tatoos but i don't know how to use them for augmenting the fame, i don't know what tag to use and how i see them.

[Agnot]

20 hours ago, Gristle said:

Not out of place. My biggest issue with making the mod work with Gossip is that I would have to create (and maintain) two versions of it (actually four, if you count LE and SE versions of each). At first, I thought I could just add checks against the Gossip fame variables in parallel to the SLSF variables. That would work (though it would require modification of thousands of conditions) but doing it that way means that SLSF and ZaZ remain dependencies. I'm assuming people choosing Gossip probably do not want those dependencies, which means I would have to strip all the SLSF/ZaZ stuff out of the Gossip version of the mod. In order to do that, I need a separate development environment, as the two mods would share many many file names, etc. That's also possible, but all this takes time and I've been working on other mods.

 

I'm all for supporting Gossip, and it's great that it's being developed. But I will mention that despite SLSF being unsupported, it's surprisingly stable and feature rich. Only one bug that I am aware of, and there are work-arounds for that. 

 

So, it's relatively simple for me to support Gossip without removing any current mod dependencies, but I don't know if that's what people would want.

Super clear! I understand your point, and I´ll stick with it, beacuase it makes a lot of sence.

Thanks, for your patience,

thanks, for the dedicated answer,

thanks for your super fun mod.

[Gristle]

9 hours ago, Onilink69 said:

Hi. I love the fame and fame comment mods, but i am using a lot of different tatoos but i don't know how to use them for augmenting the fame, i don't know what tag to use and how i see them.

You use the name of the SlaveTats category that the tattoo is located in. So, for example, if you have a whore-related tattoo, you look in SlaveTats and see that it's in the category "Whore Advertising".  Then in the SLSF in-game radial menu, pick "ST Specific Gain", select an empty slot, and for the Fame Category, type in exactly the SlaveTats category name - in my example "Whore Advertising". Also, in the SLSF base settings, make sure "SlaveTats: Specific Gain" is checked.

[Gristle]

On 11/15/2023 at 5:26 AM, Scautura said:

I've been having issues (and I'm aware of others with the same issue) with SLSF where it doesn't seem to change the fame levels, no matter what. They're stuck at 0. I've still got it installed (even while having Gossip installed) on the off chance that something changes (not that I'd be able to figure out what!) so it ends up working. 

In case this helps, it was just noted over in the SLSF support thread that the dyndolod plugin dll interferes with papyrus utility and causes problems with SLSF.

[Scautura]

31 minutes ago, Gristle said:

In case this helps, it was just noted over in the SLSF support thread that the dyndolod plugin dll interferes with papyrus utility and causes problems with SLSF.

I noticed a comment along those lines some time ago. However, this is an issue I've had since before I started using DynDOLOD, and I've had moments where it's worked even when using both, so it's intermittent at best. I even tested with removing DynDOLOD at one point and it made zero difference. With both things (DynDOLOD and PapyrusUtil) being so big/almost requirements these days, I'd expect such an issue to have come up prior.

 

Also, switching out DynDOLOD is a ballache (and that's putting it lightly, at least by my understanding). I'll have another go without it and see if it helps.

 

23 hours ago, Karkhel said:

Don't take this as me being condescending as I never used gossip (partially because I'm on LE), I'm just genuinely curious what would that entail in practice, what does gossip have that fame does not cover? Or does it have some mods that use it in an interesting way?

Gossip essentially does the same thing (the fame part, at least) but is 'current' and 'supported' (note that this doesn't mean SLSF doesn't work for the most part). I've had issues with it for some time, where it doesn't do entirely as it's supposed to, but Gossip (up until the last day, pretty much) has been fine. Now I have an issue where it doesn't put up a menu it should! Nothing is ever easy with Skyrim modding!

Edited November 16, 2023 by Scautura

[Karkhel]

25 minutes ago, Scautura said:

Gossip essentially does the same thing (the fame part, at least) but is 'current' and 'supported' (note that this doesn't mean SLSF doesn't work for the most part). I've had issues with it for some time, where it doesn't do entirely as it's supposed to

Have you used this patch for SLSF?  https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/28515-slsf-increasing-fame-patch-sexual-fame-framework-increasing-fame-patch/

 

[Scautura]

1 hour ago, Karkhel said:

Have you used this patch for SLSF?  https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/28515-slsf-increasing-fame-patch-sexual-fame-framework-increasing-fame-patch/

 

 

I have now, and ermahgerd! It helps! This is the only thing that has worked over the last year or so. Thank you!

I'd ask how I missed this, but I don't usually venture into the files section (sticking to the Skyrim modding forums). Guess I'll have to go a wandering!

[Karkhel]

8 minutes ago, Scautura said:

 

I have now, and ermahgerd! It helps! This is the only thing that has worked over the last year or so. Thank you!

I'd ask how I missed this, but I don't usually venture into the files section (sticking to the Skyrim modding forums). Guess I'll have to go a wandering!

For some reason (that also escapes the artist) they can't have the thread on the forums, I run into this because I check newest files either looking for updates or new mods in both LE and SE section. I'm glad it helped.
What I really like about SLSF is handling of the tattoos, I wish more mods had reactions to whats written on the player or even more maybe (there is a porn game where tattoos can influence what npcs gonna do). Though you do have to setup all the exceptions otherwise all the makeup and tears are gonna cause fame to skyrocket.

[Onilink69]

15 hours ago, Gristle said:

You use the name of the SlaveTats category that the tattoo is located in. So, for example, if you have a whore-related tattoo, you look in SlaveTats and see that it's in the category "Whore Advertising".  Then in the SLSF in-game radial menu, pick "ST Specific Gain", select an empty slot, and for the Fame Category, type in exactly the SlaveTats category name - in my example "Whore Advertising". Also, in the SLSF base settings, make sure "SlaveTats: Specific Gain" is checked.

Oh wow ok tanks so much.

[VinylBubbles]

Hey, so, this is probably me being dumb, but, I'm having an issue where I can't seem to trigger comments relating to nudity while wearing armor

 

Say, good old classic vanilla Iron Armor, (but this happens with all armor I've tried). I set it to Excluded in SLSF, I wait around a bit for the equip state to update, I check my active effects page and see the "Naked" effect is active. I see my exhibitionism fame is increasing steadily as long as NPCs can see me. All of that seems to be working fine. But, interacting with NPCs, I don't get any of the nudity comments.

 

I get them just fine once I unequip armor and actually stand naked.

 

I've also tried setting the armor to "Naked" in Aroused's MCM, and confirmed that Exposure is increasing faster blabla, Aroused is working. But still no nudity comments.

 

This is happening while I have no items equipped whatsosever, except the body armor.

 

Do I need to flag it elsewhere? I know this mod has its own Skimpy and Topless flags, but neither of those are the same as Naked. Or is that just not a feature in this mod and I've interpreted it wrong?

 

[Gristle]

5 hours ago, VinylBubbles said:

Hey, so, this is probably me being dumb, but, I'm having an issue where I can't seem to trigger comments relating to nudity while wearing armor

 

Say, good old classic vanilla Iron Armor, (but this happens with all armor I've tried). I set it to Excluded in SLSF, I wait around a bit for the equip state to update, I check my active effects page and see the "Naked" effect is active. I see my exhibitionism fame is increasing steadily as long as NPCs can see me. All of that seems to be working fine. But, interacting with NPCs, I don't get any of the nudity comments.

 

I get them just fine once I unequip armor and actually stand naked.

 

I've also tried setting the armor to "Naked" in Aroused's MCM, and confirmed that Exposure is increasing faster blabla, Aroused is working. But still no nudity comments.

 

This is happening while I have no items equipped whatsosever, except the body armor.

 

Do I need to flag it elsewhere? I know this mod has its own Skimpy and Topless flags, but neither of those are the same as Naked. Or is that just not a feature in this mod and I've interpreted it wrong?

 

This mod doesn't use the SLSF "Naked" magic effect directly. It uses it only indirectly because SLSF uses it for exhibitionism fame, and then this mod uses that fame. I don't use it because there's a bug in it (if you don't have DD installed) where wearing a helmet gives you a "Naked" magic effect. So, I just use the vanilla naked detect system, i.e., check if PC's worn items have keyword ArmorCuirass or ClothingBody. So, the SLSF system is used for fame, the SLA system is used for arousal, and the vanilla system is used for naked detection. 

 

But why would you want NPCs to think your PC is naked when you are wearing armor? I get that some armor is very revealing, but wouldn't the 'topless' or 'skimpy' flags cover that case? Or both? Is there really so little armor that people should think you're naked? By the way, there's a big overlap between the 'skimpy' comments and the 'naked' comments, so it's perhaps not as big a difference as one might think.

Edited November 18, 2023 by Gristle

[VinylBubbles]

That totally makes sense, thanks for the reply.

 

As for why, it just depends on the look of the armor I'm using. Sometimes having the game consider my char fully naked would feel more appropriate. But just knowing how it's being controlled, the vanilla system, is plenty. Thanks for the help!

[Guest]

On 11/15/2023 at 2:44 AM, Gristle said:

Not out of place. My biggest issue with making the mod work with Gossip is that I would have to create (and maintain) two versions of it (actually four, if you count LE and SE versions of each). At first, I thought I could just add checks against the Gossip fame variables in parallel to the SLSF variables. That would work (though it would require modification of thousands of conditions) but doing it that way means that SLSF and ZaZ remain dependencies. I'm assuming people choosing Gossip probably do not want those dependencies, which means I would have to strip all the SLSF/ZaZ stuff out of the Gossip version of the mod. In order to do that, I need a separate development environment, as the two mods would share many many file names, etc. That's also possible, but all this takes time and I've been working on other mods.

 

I'm all for supporting Gossip, and it's great that it's being developed. But I will mention that despite SLSF being unsupported, it's surprisingly stable and feature rich. Only one bug that I am aware of, and there are work-arounds for that. 

 

So, it's relatively simple for me to support Gossip without removing any current mod dependencies, but I don't know if that's what people would want.

I personally would want this as well, ZAZ compatibility be damned. I don't like ZAZ as 1. I'm not into bondage but most importantly 2. the mod is kind of unclean because it touches on some vanilla records it really shouldn't for some reason. One example I can think of is rabbits no longer ragdolling and instead running forever in place.

That's the main reason I've held back on using this mod. I've tried to remove the ZAZ stuff manually through SSEEdit and it has worked before but it doesn't feel right because SLSF Fame Comments has an MCM and I feel like I could potentially break things. So I'd rather let the man himself i.e you do it  But do it only whenever or if you feel like it, of course. If it never happens, that's fine too

[Seeker999]

I've said it before and I'll say it again now: I do like this mod. There's quite the variety of comments and the Markarth quest is well done. And, I hated to do it, but I reset that quest back to before it started. went into the console to change the Dibellan Whore variable to 0. I got tired of always being naked in the stone city (a disadvantage when I'm being attacked by vampires!) and accruing bounty as well as hearing 'wait, I know you' all the time because I didn't get naked fast enough. I guess my preference is  more Lewdrim than Nuderim.

 

So, this leads me to a request. If you move this to a separate mod for hold quests, would you consider 1) making each quest toggleable, and 2) adding an option to the Markarth quest that either pauses all quest-related stuff (bounties, quest-related comments, forced stripping, etc.) or just disables the bounty. Comments and occasional stripping are fine for flavor if I decide to be disobedient.

 

Thanks for hearing me out. ?

Edited November 21, 2023 by Seeker999

[Gristle]

On 11/21/2023 at 2:15 AM, Seeker999 said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again now: I do like this mod. There's quite the variety of comments and the Markarth quest is well done. And, I hated to do it, but I reset that quest back to before it started. went into the console to change the Dibellan Whore variable to 0. I got tired of always being naked in the stone city (a disadvantage when I'm being attacked by vampires!) and accruing bounty as well as hearing 'wait, I know you' all the time because I didn't get naked fast enough. I guess my preference is  more Lewdrim than Nuderim.

 

So, this leads me to a request. If you move this to a separate mod for hold quests, would you consider 1) making each quest toggleable, and 2) adding an option to the Markarth quest that either pauses all quest-related stuff (bounties, quest-related comments, forced stripping, etc.) or just disables the bounty. Comments and occasional stripping are fine for flavor if I decide to be disobedient.

 

Thanks for hearing me out. ?

I think it makes sense to have a way to cease being the "Dibellan Whore" after the quest line is completed. I could add a final conversation with the Jarl with an option to request ending that status. The Jarl should be happy to know that Lillian was returned home safely.

[Veldon]

6 hours ago, Gristle said:

I think it makes sense to have a way to cease being the "Dibellan Whore" after the quest line is completed. I could add a final conversation with the Jarl with an option to request ending that status. The Jarl should be happy to know that Lillian was returned home safely.

A request? The jarl should be taught some respect for Dibella. ? Calling a devotee of Dibella a whore is quite insolent. ?

[Cornoholio]

Sounds like an excellent mod to use...any chance of an LE version?

[Gristle]

3 hours ago, Cornoholio said:

Sounds like an excellent mod to use...any chance of an LE version?

Yes. There's an LE version in the downloads section.

[LordofLurking]

Going through a reinstall right now, and I'm thinking about adding Imperial Mail. From what I've seen in-game it doesn't place anything in the way of the Secret Temple, it's actually above it, but thought it best to ask if anyone has been able to use Imperial Mail and SLSF without issue.

[Heisdead]

Amaizing mod, but why events not worked on old womans ?

[Gristle]

11 hours ago, Heisdead said:

Amaizing mod, but why events not worked on old womans ?

Thanks. I think the answer is part immersion and part bias. I thought that the older women, most of whom are married, wouldn't be as interested in soliciting sex from some adventurer (who is likely famous for having sex with many people). Rather, that the older women would have a more negative reaction to "the town whore". Also, the mod started out working only for female PCs, which probably influenced that choice early on as well (an assumption that the older Skyrim women are prevailingly heterosexual, given that they are almost all in heterosexual relationships). And, on top of that is my own bias about preferring to be approached by younger women (who are also the ones most likely to be visually improved by my NPC appearance mods). 

[assassin394]

Hi. Is it safe to update from 3.4b to 3.5? Do I need to clean uninstall or do anything specific?