SLSF Fame Comments Reloaded

[Martok73]

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

All comments in this mod are non-voiced, but... DoubleCheeseburger has kindly made a voice pack for this mod using the xVASynth program (see link below).  I haven't used it but the notes say the voice pack includes the MaleEvenToned voice, which is the voice that Faendal uses, so it should voice all of Faendal's comments.

 

 

 

 

Awesome thank you, I'll definitely take a look at this, much appreciated

 

 

1 hour ago, Gristle said:

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't realize any external mods incremented SLSF whore fame. But your post (and the TDF description) makes it clear. I'll have to update this mod's description accordingly. I assume you're getting whore events from this mod too, though I suppose you can always turn them off if they don't fit right with TDF.

Not 100% sure if it comes from this mod specifically but I have noticed that if any npcs happen to see my pc solict sex either via TDF Prostitution or via Deviously Cursed Loot(DCL has a player prostitute option too), or happens to witness the actual sex act, then they have quiet abit to say about my pc being a whore and I get notifications of whore fame increases when the npcs make comments so I would assume it's from this mod, but I can't be 100% sure as I have the base SLSF Framework mod, and this mod, and TDF and DCL, and Spank That Ass, so not 100% sure which one is triggering the "comments raising whore fame".

 

But yeah, so far I have been loving this mod, and now that I know there are voice files for it, it's gonna make it that much more fun . I would like to know tho exactly how do I trigger "spanking events" that are new with 3.1? And if those "spanking events" are registered in the Spank that Ass mod to apply the red spanked ass overlays as/after the event is over? I really hope it does because sadly right now there are only two mods that I know for sure send "spank event calls" to STA, one is SexLab Survival, and the other is Submissive Lola Resubmission. I think that the newest version of Wartimes does but I'm not 100% sure, anyway it would be totally awesome if this mod takes advantage of STAs audio and skin overlays.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Actually it works just fine with TDF, as I personally have reached 100 whore fame in all nine holds on 2 characters now both by whoring out my character and by whoring out npcs I've turned into TDF Prostitutes. If it is not working for you there may be a problem with either your TDF install or LO, or both, cause for me at least it works just fine.

 

Make sure you are using SexLab Sexual Fame Framework SE v0.99, and SLSFFameComments v3.1 SE, and TDF Agressive Prostitution 2.2.5.5 SE and it should work fine, like I said mine works without issues and these are the version I am using on Skyrim SE 1.5.97

That's curious, thanks for the info. I guess I'll try again, but the first time, I had everything installed as described. Not sure what LO stands for, though. If it's the orgasm mod, I don't have that (and hadn't) installed at all.

[marymuir2]

On 12/15/2021 at 7:46 PM, Gristle said:

So, I took a look at the existing follower fame comments. Serana's set of comments are not easy to repurpose, as they are separate quests tied to stages of the main DG quest. Mjoll's are tricky to reuse as well, as they have lots of conditions that change their nature once 'Likes Women' hits a threshold in any location.  But... Faendal's are very simple, with no such special conditions, and Faendal's comments are the most generic of the three.  So, I could add an MCM switch that gives all followers (except Mjoll and Serana) access to Faendal's comments, and then add blocking conditions to the "Faendal-specific" ones to reserve those to Faendal.  That should allow all followers (if enabled in MCM) to share about 500 of Faendal's SLSF fame comments, including bump comments, SL activity comments, nudity, cum and device comments, and even his dungeon and combat detect and taunt comments. 

 

Repurposing Faendal's comments does mean that the set of general follower comments will reflect a follower that is judgmental and embarrassed by the PC's SLSF-fame-accruing behavior, which won't be appropriate for all followers. But, it's a start, and easy, and it can be left switched off if not a good fit.  I can always work on a second set of comments for followers that are more supportive of the PC's sexual fame and adventures later. Also, Faendal doesn't have any "event"-triggering comments at present, but I should be able to add event comments to this set in a way that will work for both Faendal and other followers in subsequent updates.

ooh, love this idea!  oh please implement this, it's a brilliant way to add more comments/dialogue to the game and make followers more interesting.  I would suggest two more sets of comments - one more neutral and amused - "well look at you enjoying yourself" "you really like that don't you" vs envious/joining in - "can I get in on that action" "would you like a third?"

[Gristle]

17 hours ago, gargamel9 said:

Not sure what LO stands for, though.

LO = load order

[Gristle]

18 hours ago, Martok73 said:

Not 100% sure if it comes from this mod specifically but I have noticed that if any npcs happen to see my pc solict sex either via TDF Prostitution or via Deviously Cursed Loot(DCL has a player prostitute option too), or happens to witness the actual sex act, then they have quiet abit to say about my pc being a whore and I get notifications of whore fame increases when the npcs make comments so I would assume it's from this mod, but I can't be 100% sure as I have the base SLSF Framework mod, and this mod, and TDF and DCL, and Spank That Ass, so not 100% sure which one is triggering the "comments raising whore fame".

At the moment (without SLSF-SlaveTats whore tattoo configuration), the only SLSF whore fame increases are going to be coming from TDF, and then SLSF will report them. Once you get SLSF whore fame, then this mod will provide lots of comments triggered by that SLSF whore fame. I use DCL and Spank that Ass as well and none of them have any comments triggered by any SLSF fame. 

18 hours ago, Martok73 said:

I would like to know tho exactly how do I trigger "spanking events" that are new with 3.1?

Well, there's about 50 comments with spanking events, but they are in the same random pool with hundreds and hundreds of other comments.  But, they are generally triggered by 1) SLSF masochist fame, where the NPC is wanting to take advantage of your pain-loving nature, or 2) SLSF slut fame, where the NPC is wanting to punish you for being a slut.  So, if you want to see more of them, gaining masochist fame is a good way to double the odds of such events. Currently, the only way to gain SLSF masochist fame is via enabling SLSF fame gain from SlaveTats tattoos. Also, being naked and being in places where people get drunk (inns) or places where an individual is especially vulnerable (city streets late at night) are other ways to trigger more "event" comments generally.

18 hours ago, Martok73 said:

And if those "spanking events" are registered in the Spank that Ass mod to apply the red spanked ass overlays as/after the event is over? I really hope it does because sadly right now there are only two mods that I know for sure send "spank event calls" to STA, one is SexLab Survival, and the other is Submissive Lola Resubmission. I think that the newest version of Wartimes does but I'm not 100% sure, anyway it would be totally awesome if this mod takes advantage of STAs audio and skin overlays.

Sadly, not at present. I also use Spank that Ass and agree that this would be great. My programming skills are weak, but I'll take a look at the two mods mentioned and see if I can figure out how to send "spank event calls" to STA.

[Gristle]

9 hours ago, marymuir2 said:

ooh, love this idea!  oh please implement this, it's a brilliant way to add more comments/dialogue to the game and make followers more interesting.  I would suggest two more sets of comments - one more neutral and amused - "well look at you enjoying yourself" "you really like that don't you" vs envious/joining in - "can I get in on that action" "would you like a third?"

One set is done. I've tweaked the conditions on Faendal's comments to allow all followers to access them, and added an MCM switch to enable this feature. And, I had to add a "Faendal-only" condition to a couple dozen of his comments that were really specific to him.  And then I had to deal with the fact that he's male but his comments can now be spoken by a female follower, so I had to add some additional conditions and comments to deal with certain gender-specific references. Seems to work fine. Testing it now. 

 

Next I'm going to see if I can't untangle the more complex conditions for Mjoll's and Serana's comments to do the same for them. If I can do something similar there it would be great, especially since their comments can also trigger SL events. Mjoll's post-lover comments would fit your more neutral and accepting (or at least tolerant) attitude, and Serana's post-DG comments would fit your "can I get in on that" attitude.  

[caqa]

The mod adds a bunch of dogs to the game. Are those used for anything?

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Gristle said:

LO = load order

Hah, my bad, sorry. There's just too many acronyms everywhere. Got me confused. Thanks for clarifying!

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, caqa said:

The mod adds a bunch of dogs to the game. Are those used for anything?

They are there to support event comments for PCs with SLSF Beastiality fame. 

[Martok73]

17 hours ago, Gristle said:

At the moment (without SLSF-SlaveTats whore tattoo configuration), the only SLSF whore fame increases are going to be coming from TDF, and then SLSF will report them. Once you get SLSF whore fame, then this mod will provide lots of comments triggered by that SLSF whore fame. I use DCL and Spank that Ass as well and none of them have any comments triggered by any SLSF fame. 

Well, there's about 50 comments with spanking events, but they are in the same random pool with hundreds and hundreds of other comments.  But, they are generally triggered by 1) SLSF masochist fame, where the NPC is wanting to take advantage of your pain-loving nature, or 2) SLSF slut fame, where the NPC is wanting to punish you for being a slut.  So, if you want to see more of them, gaining masochist fame is a good way to double the odds of such events. Currently, the only way to gain SLSF masochist fame is via enabling SLSF fame gain from SlaveTats tattoos. Also, being naked and being in places where people get drunk (inns) or places where an individual is especially vulnerable (city streets late at night) are other ways to trigger more "event" comments generally.

Sadly, not at present. I also use Spank that Ass and agree that this would be great. My programming skills are weak, but I'll take a look at the two mods mentioned and see if I can figure out how to send "spank event calls" to STA.

Ok, well that all makes sense and I've got everything configured to raise those fame levels either in TDF or via Slave Tats so that's all good. Will have to do some experimenting with the masochist thing to see if I can get an event to trigger cause I'm curious as to just what kind of "events" there are with spanking, heheh .  I do hope that you can figure out how to get it to work with STA cause there are several really good spanking animations but none of them result in a bright red ass which is a shame cause I mean if ya get spanked yer butt should show the results ya know.

[Man of no Consequence]

Anyway to make this use SkyLover37's gossip fame framework?

[Gristle]

4 hours ago, jman5302 said:

Anyway to make this use SkyLover37's gossip fame framework?

Yes, it should be fairly straightforward. If I understand correctly, SkyLover37's mod puts the PC's current fame levels into different factions as faction ranks from 0-100, and uses the same fame types as SLSF (plus some others).  If so, I should have no trouble reading the Gossip-provided faction ranks with dialogue conditions without any mod integration. Which means I can just put in a parallel "OR" condition for the Gossip fame type/level everywhere this mod checks SLSF fame. That's thousands of comments, but conceptually easy at least.

 

I guess the problem is that this comment mod also depends on SLSF for the comment frequency variable, set in the SLSF MCM. If SLSF is not installed, that variable may read 0 and block comments. I think the easy solution to that would be for this mod to add its own comment frequency variable in its MCM, and just ignore the SLSF and Gossip comment frequency variables.

 

Also, I don't currently have the additional Gossip requirements installed (i.e., State of Dress, SLA Baka Edition, MCM Helper, Powerofthree's papyrus extender). I'm hoping that the Baka Edition of SLA with work with SLSF as well, as it will be a pain to switch mod profiles for testing. If it all works happily together, it will be a lot easier for me to test using both fame trackers going forward. 

 

And I can write comments for some of the new fame types that Gossip supports, like masturbation and necrophiliac.  But, some of the others I'm not sure what to do with. How would Bimbo be different than Slut, for instance?  What does FilledStomach mean? How does Poor or Filthy relate to sexual fame? 

[blahity]

Some of gossips categories are extremely niche. Any idea whether or not Fame or Gossip is easier to work with I know Fame hasn't been updated in awhile.

[Gristle]

14 minutes ago, blahity said:

Some of gossips categories are extremely niche. Any idea whether or not Fame or Gossip is easier to work with I know Fame hasn't been updated in awhile.

SLSF is not being supported, but it has been pretty stable for me, is well documented, and has a good range of fame types. It's got some odd features, but you can turn off the strange stuff, and what it does it does really well. The "advanced" SLSF features like being able to add a custom location to track and the SlaveTats integration are really great.

 

But it's nice that something like Gossip is being worked on and expanded. Definitely some "niche" categories. But I don't have a problem just ignoring some fame types in terms of writing comments.  I've done that for SLSF as well. For example, I have no idea how to write comments for SLSF Pregnancy fame, particularly since I can't detect if the PC is currently pregnant. The SLSF Pregnancy fame only tells me that the PC has been pregnant at some point. What do you do with that? 

[asianboy345]

The new follower comments seems to also apply to creature followers, so now I have Meeko running around complaining that he has no clothes and I should stop being a slut.

 

10/10

 

But seriously though, I think you should add a check for creatures to prevent dialogues from occurring for them

 

Or maybe even add in a future feature where certain creatures can have their own sets of reactions to your character's fame as well. They don't talk but maybe the dialogues could be descriptive like: "(Meeko tries to hump your leg. Even a dog seems to know what a slut you are)"

Edited December 24, 2021 by asianboy345

[Gristle]

1 hour ago, asianboy345 said:

The new follower comments seems to also apply to creature followers, so now I have Meeko running around complaining that he has no clothes and I should stop being a slut.

Oops! Thanks for the heads up. Will fix. But I would listen to Meeko in the meantime.  

[swmas]

4 hours ago, Gristle said:

Oops! Thanks for the heads up. Will fix. But I would listen to Meeko in the meantime.  

Is it worth it adding thousands of new checks just for that?

[Gristle]

16 hours ago, swmas said:

Is it worth it adding thousands of new checks just for that?

It's just a couple of additional conditions in two places. All of the new universal follower comments come from two quests, and you can put conditions on the individual comments but you can also put conditions on a quest that holds a set of comments. So, any conditions that would apply to every comment in the quest (like speaker not animal) can just be checked globally for all comments in the quest on the main quest tab. Only the conditions which do not apply to every comment in the quest need to be put as a condition on each line of dialogue.

[nilead]

 Great mod. It adds one thing skyrim utterely lacks - reactivity. And the more we get - the better.

I wonder if it would be possible to have fame affect vanilla relationship rank. I mean, Faendal is kinda right. Not everyone wants to be seen with a towns whore)

 

On 12/18/2021 at 11:54 PM, Gristle said:

Also, I don't currently have the additional Gossip requirements installed (i.e., State of Dress, SLA Baka Edition, MCM Helper, Powerofthree's papyrus extender). I'm hoping that the Baka Edition of SLA with work with SLSF as well, as it will be a pain to switch mod profiles for testing. If it all works happily together, it will be a lot easier for me to test using both fame trackers going forward. 

 Can confirm Baka's SLA does work with SLSF. Moreover -  if you're currently running SLA redux and eyeing up a switch, Bakas SLA seem to be entirely interchangable with SLAX SE, including mid playthrough. All the neccecery keywords are there, and BaboFactory's own mods do seem to recongnize them no problem. Only downside of SLAX SE is its kind of a drama queen during installation, as it seem to require fixed .dll from the comments section to properly work.

Edited December 25, 2021 by nilead

[Gristle]

20 hours ago, nilead said:

 Great mod. It adds one thing skyrim utterely lacks - reactivity. And the more we get - the better.

I wonder if it would be possible to have fame affect vanilla relationship rank. I mean, Faendal is kinda right. Not everyone wants to be seen with a towns whore)

Thanks. Fame could affect relationship rank, but the way the comments are programmed now, the "mean" comments are pretty much all given by NPCs with relationship rank 0 or below, and the "nice" comments are given by NPCs with relationship rank 1 or higher. So, since the default NPC relationship rank is 0, lowering NPC relationship ranks wouldn't change the nature of the comments from the great majority of NPCs. But lowering NPC relationship ranks would make it hard to maintain any "friends", "allies" or "lovers," and since these are the only NPCs who deliver "nice" comments, it would essentially remove the "nice" comments. In other words, in my playtesting at least, most townsfolk have a pretty negative view of my PC already, but it's nice to have a few friends in town who are tolerant.

 

20 hours ago, nilead said:

 Can confirm Baka's SLA does work with SLSF. 

Good to know. Thanks.

[Guest]

Love the mod. One thing though, Serana's sex events count her as a vampire whether she's cured or not and cause me to lose favor with Dibella in the Wintersun mod. However, I found a patch that adds toggle necrophilia disfavor in Wintersun in preferences. Here that is if anyone else needs it.

Wintersun SLI 1.3.3 - necrophilia toggle patch.7z

Edited December 26, 2021 by ianmh1984

[ethethetheth]

It took installing Vigilance and Meeko Reborn, and then putting Dog Backpacks* on them, but I think I've finally got the hounds to stop complaining about being naked. They still have the nerve to complain about stuff they instigated, but that can be RPed as tongue-in-cheek (lolling, surely) to flat-out negging.

 

*They don't strip them, even if you set them to. They don't get in the way much though, and they're so cute.

 

Edit: Oh, and the MNC 12.6 patch for them from this comment, of course:

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by ethethetheth
Added patch deets for Meeko & Vigilance Reborn in case you try them

[FredOof]

Great mod, its a shame that radiant prostitution or ancient profession can't increase whore fame...I dont want to install TDF prostitution when I already have two prostitution mods running haha.

[marymuir2]

On 12/24/2021 at 8:50 PM, Gristle said:

Oops! Thanks for the heads up. Will fix. But I would listen to Meeko in the meantime.  

 

On 12/24/2021 at 7:02 PM, asianboy345 said:

The new follower comments seems to also apply to creature followers, so now I have Meeko running around complaining that he has no clothes and I should stop being a slut.

 

10/10

 

But seriously though, I think you should add a check for creatures to prevent dialogues from occurring for them

 

Or maybe even add in a future feature where certain creatures can have their own sets of reactions to your character's fame as well. They don't talk but maybe the dialogues could be descriptive like: "(Meeko tries to hump your leg. Even a dog seems to know what a slut you are)"

 

Okay, now I have to go find Meeko and add him as a follower.   The new comments definitely working with my current custom follower (Nebarra), as he's constantly chiding me to keep my clothes on and asking me not to embarrass him today. ?

[RavnaRiikr]

After using this mod for long time, I realized that 'unique' companions comments doesn't work at all. Checked Serana and Faendal, no comments unless they dismissed (Then they have generic comments). But the new feature 'all companions comments' in MCM works.
So what should I try to do to make Mjoll/Faendal/Serana comments work? I tried to disable mods that alter Serana's dialogs, tried to remove Sexual Fame Framework and this mod, clean the save and reinstall. None of that helped.

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Edited December 30, 2021 by DarthCoder